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« Reply #126 on: Jan 24th, 2014, 7:47pm »

The latest video, published this week, from microbiologist and popular podcast guest Dr. Tyler Kokjohn. The doctor explores the now decades old alien abduction dogma and how some researchers are responding.


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« Reply #127 on: Jan 25th, 2014, 12:17am »

on Jan 24th, 2014, 7:47pm, jjflash wrote:
The latest video, published this week, from microbiologist and popular podcast guest Dr. Tyler Kokjohn. The doctor explores the now decades old alien abduction dogma and how some researchers are responding.




Interesting video and the abduction believers are definitely going to need to put up or shut with the new advances in genome discovery.
If hybrids exist we will be able to show it easily with genetic testing.
Maybe the alien abduction research crowd should start looking for a new line of work.
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« Reply #128 on: Jan 27th, 2014, 3:49pm »

on Jan 27th, 2014, 3:46pm, jjflash wrote:
Tuesday, January 28, 9 p.m. EST, Carol Rainey will guest on Jeff Ritzmann's Paranormal Waypoint. Check out the discussion, chat room and more at KGRA Radio.

Ms. Rainey's The Priests of High Strangeness: Co-Creation of the "Alien Abduction Phenomenon", and Dr. Tyler Kokjohn's Tainted, Toxic and Taboo: A Scientist's Assessment of Alien Abduction Research, may be viewed at:

http://www.paranormalwaypoint.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/paratopiamag_rainey_kokjohn.pdf
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« Reply #129 on: Feb 2nd, 2014, 11:52am »

Paranormal Waypoint Series: Problem, Evidence, Result

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Jeff Ritzmann, host of Paranormal Waypoint on KGRA Radio, recently undertook a three-part series of shows dedicated to addressing challenges within research of alleged alien abduction. The series, designed to identify problems, evidence of such problems and their subsequent results, began with reviewing information presented by psychologist Dr. Scott Lilienfeld.

The doctor explained the lack of reliability in the use of hypnosis as a memory retrieval tool. Also covered were the inherent challenges related to witness narratives obtained via hypnosis. Such challenges include a high degree of cultural contamination within ufology, as well as biased hypnotists who are typically overeager to obtain predetermined outcomes. Regressive hypnosis is of course the preferred investigative tool of such trend setting researchers of alien abduction as the late Budd Hopkins and retired historian Dr. David Jacobs. Problem.

Ritzmann's second episode included guest Carol Rainey, an award-winning filmmaker, author, grant writer and ex-wife of Hopkins. Rainey drew both widespread support and emotionally-based criticism from the UFO community in 2011 when she published The Priests of High Strangeness: Co-Creation of the “Alien Abduction Phenomenon”, an article documenting poor research practices by Hopkins and his misrepresentation of events.

Rainey followed up the essay by posting videos demonstrating Hopkins' exaggerations, including one clip in which the writer himself described his misleading portrayal of circumstances as stacking the deck. Additional clips on Rainey's YouTube channel include documentation of extreme inconsistencies in the Linda Cortile case and as additionally covered by veteran writer/researcher George Hansen and colleagues. Such circumstances are indeed evidence of problems.

The third and final episode of the Paranormal Waypoint series will cover results of the problems and will be broadcast Tuesday, February 4 at 9 p.m. EST. The show will focus upon circumstances surrounding the case of Emma Woods and the flawed research methodology of David Jacobs. The historian's reliance on regressive hypnosis as a primary investigative technique has been coupled with shameless promotion of completely unsubstantiated claims of human-alien breeding programs. Opportunities for researchers such as Jacobs to exploit such circumstances grew out of a ufology culture and subsequent following largely developed by Hopkins. Jacobs' now resulting iconic status has blinded many within the demographic to his researcher bias, circumstances affording him virtual immunity from critical review of his methodology, conclusions and care of research subjects.

Ritzmann extended an invitation to me, Jack Brewer, to join him and microbiologist Dr. Tyler Kokjohn on Paranormal Waypoint Tuesday evening. I look forward to supporting Ritzmann and his guests in their efforts to clarify circumstances and chains of events occurring within the alien abduction genre. Join us in the KGRA chat room and express your opinions about the material covered.

It should be noted that the Paranormal Waypoint three-part series consisted of individuals, including Ritzmann and Rainey, who do not dismiss reports of high strangeness out of hand. They are interpreted by this writer to be among a growing number of community members who recognize it is a poor choice to settle for premature conclusions in lieu of verifiable explanations, whatever those explanations may ultimately prove to be.
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« Reply #130 on: Feb 3rd, 2014, 9:59pm »

How can ufologists best help or support UFO abductees?

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Recently, a notice was posted online which noted that a support group for UFO abductees was going to be created in a nearby city.

I was curious, because 20 years ago, I had been approached to create such a group. This was during the period when UFO abductees were just becoming more common and there was a great deal of attention focused on them. (It's waned a bit since the, although the abduction phenomenon still is significant in ufology, but has morphed a bit to become more of a contactee movement.)

Anyway, I responded to the post online, offering encouragement and asking about the clinical professional who would be leading or facilitating the group.

"Excellent! Which local clinical therapist will be facilitating? The abductee support group I helped with in Winnipeg back in the 1990s had a psychologist and a counselor for referrals too. I think both might be necessary, especially if some abductees are experiencing significant anxiety. We helped a number of people through their fears and concerns."

The reason I know the importance of working with a clinical professional was because several of the abductees who were members of the group turned out to have issues best dealt with by professionals, not ufologists. One woman had been raped and her memory of her "abduction experience" was a screen for the horrific trauma she had endured. Two other abductees attempted suicide because they were living in fear and paranoia since the aliens were watching them day and night. Others had showed signs of other issues that needed the assistance of professionals.

Such trauma is clearly beyond the realm of ufology, and it is clearly in the best interests of "experiencers" to help them as best as possible.

I was surprised that my query about this new group working with a clinical professional was met with hostility. The poster responded:

"Do clinical therapists, psychologists, psychiatrists, and counselors facilitate alcoholic anonymous, cocaine anonymous, or al anon meetings? They don’t...

"[It would be bad] If everyone has to talk in front of a psychiatrist who is not an experiencer that is treating it as mental illness. He knows NOTHING about UFOs. People need a safe environment ..., not a court room or mental examination room."

I was aghast. This was hardly the reaction I had expected. It showed a lack of understanding of both how clinical professionals view people in need and also how support groups for people with various issues are actually developed. It's also not a matter of speaking in front of a psychiatrist who would be judging you on your sanity. If a person is traumatized by his or her abduction experience, it is all the more important to have someone present who can help.

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http://uforum.blogspot.com/2014/01/how-can-ufologists-best-help-or-support.html?utm_source=ufologyprss.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=ufologyprss.com
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« Reply #131 on: Feb 4th, 2014, 02:51am »

I just love how everyone assumes abductees are all dumbcluckies like me who apparently do not have a clue; truth is abductees clearly come from all walks of life from police, military, science and yes even doctors’ nurses and the dreaded psychiatrist. Only problem is that such information is hidden on sites such as this due to every one being anonymous unless like Greer cashing in on the subject, there are groups for near every complaint and most get support from government i.e. NHS UK and as the abductee trauma has been around a lot longer than the internet then why has there never been any real help available, why is it ignored by the doctrine you so strongly support apart from them claiming it is mental health issues. Could it be because it is not a mental health issue that if investigated by these trained personnel expose it as a reality, yes the trauma that same as most aftermath problems that victims of crime suffer needs addressing in the manner you portray but the cause unlike murder rape etc is left a blank space when it comes to ET this indicates they are treating the cause as mental illness and not as a physical crime against the person, so no matter how much importance the need for such is shouted , until the cause is accepted as a reality and a crime it is a pointless exercise.
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« Reply #132 on: Feb 4th, 2014, 10:13am »

I don't think 'everyone' assumes that all 'abductees' are 'dumbcluckies', but certainly some involved have psychological issues that need to be addressed by clinical professionals. Whether or not these issues are a result of 'abductions' or the psychological issues lead to the abduction beliefs should be determined on an individual basis....but if the ufo abductee community automatically reject any and all help from professional sources there will continue to be conflict and lack of resolution for those who truly need help.
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on Feb 4th, 2014, 10:13am, drwu23 wrote:
I don't think 'everyone' assumes that all 'abductees' are 'dumbcluckies', but certainly some involved have psychological issues that need to be addressed by clinical professionals. Whether or not these issues are a result of 'abductions' or the psychological issues lead to the abduction beliefs should be determined on an individual basis....but if the ufo abductee community automatically reject any and all help from professional sources there will continue to be conflict and lack of resolution for those who truly need help.


Right. One way or another, an appropriate response to trauma is to seek competent and qualified treatment for it. Competent and qualified.
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« Reply #134 on: Feb 4th, 2014, 7:00pm »

on Feb 4th, 2014, 6:43pm, freyasday wrote:
I see from the opening post of this topic that David M Jacobs is being criticized as not being a good scientist. Does this also mean that he is not an appropriate researcher for questioning individuals to confide in if their particular anomalous tales bear only a minimal similarity to his descriptions of abductees/abduction at www.ufoabduction.com ?


Perhaps you might choose to read such resources as my three-part series, The Bizarre World of Doctor David Jacobs: An Interview and Review, or listen in to tonight's Paranormal Waypoint extended special and decide for yourself. Let me know what ya think.
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on Feb 4th, 2014, 6:43pm, freyasday wrote:
I see from the opening post of this topic that David M Jacobs is being criticized as not being a good scientist. Does this also mean that he is not an appropriate researcher for questioning individuals to confide in if their particular anomalous tales bear only a minimal similarity to his descriptions of abductees/abduction at www.ufoabduction.com ?


Hypnotic regression to 'recover' alleged 'abduction' memories has been a suspect tool from day one and many ufologists have written and talked about this including Dr Vallee one of the most informed and experienced ufo researchers still with us.
Dr Jacobs is not a scientist, nor a forensic expert, nor an expert in hypnosis. He is an historian from Temple University. His associate Budd Hopkins , now deceased, was an abstract artist from New York and also not an expert in hypnosis nor any type of forensic investigation or scientific background.
From what I have read over the last few years the problem lies in the fact they they had an agenda being believers in the abduction phenomenon and were simply not qualified regarding scientific methodology and used suspect techniques to gather their data. In other words it was biased data and anecdotal.
That does not mean they are/were unintelligent people but their methods were flawed. This is what Carol Rainey and others have said for some time now. Again this does not mean there might not be something to the 'abduction phenomenon' but that their data ,results, and conclusions are suspect.
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« Reply #136 on: Feb 5th, 2014, 12:11pm »

Hi, freyasday -

Thanks for checking out the posts. Thanks, too, for letting me know what you thought about them.

I would agree with you that Jacobs and his public personality should not be accepted without questioning motives. I would most definitely say similar for his unsubstantiated claims, in that they should not be accepted at all, much less without questioning them greatly.

I would also agree with drwu23 in that we should not lose sight of the fact Jacobs is not a scientist at all; he is a now retired history professor claiming - falsely, I might add - to respect and follow scientific procedures. Most relevant point.

As for where an abductee should seek competent, qualified support, I would say they should first identify specifically what type of support they are seeking. Does the individual want professional emotional support? ...or are they seeking a thorough investigation of their reported circumstances? I encourage identifying the answers to such questions because they are entirely different types of services.

If emotional support and healing traumatic, disturbing memories is sought, I would invite consideration of seeing a mental health professional. I would also encourage such an individual to ask questions of the potential counselor before committing to schedule an appointment; ask how they feel about the UFO subject, ask if they are open to hearing distress related to the topic and similar such questions. A potential therapy client is entitled to do so, not entirely unlike how one might ask questions before hiring any kind of service provider to undertake work for them. A potential client is also entirely entitled to ask about sliding scale payments if concerned about costs, as such options are often available.

If an investigation of circumstances is desired, many more challenges arise than if seeking emotional healing and support. That is because there is often little to investigate in addition to witness testimony, and the events in question are often in the distant past. Even when this is not the case, substantial financial resources might be required, as well as specific expertise, to examine alleged implants, take xrays, conduct DNA analysis and similar possible avenues of research. That being the case, if I was to undertake such an investigation, I would network among UFO circles and privately enroll the help of specific, credentialed and trusted professionals.

I hope that is helpful. Sincere best wishes.
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« Reply #137 on: Feb 6th, 2014, 12:46am »

on Feb 4th, 2014, 02:51am, hyundisonata wrote:
I just love how everyone assumes abductees are all dumbcluckies like me who apparently do not have a clue; truth is abductees clearly come from all walks of life from police, military, science and yes even doctors’ nurses and the dreaded psychiatrist. Only problem is that such information is hidden on sites such as this due to every one being anonymous unless like Greer cashing in on the subject, there are groups for near every complaint and most get support from government i.e. NHS UK and as the abductee trauma has been around a lot longer than the internet then why has there never been any real help available, why is it ignored by the doctrine you so strongly support apart from them claiming it is mental health issues. Could it be because it is not a mental health issue that if investigated by these trained personnel expose it as a reality, yes the trauma that same as most aftermath problems that victims of crime suffer needs addressing in the manner you portray but the cause unlike murder rape etc is left a blank space when it comes to ET this indicates they are treating the cause as mental illness and not as a physical crime against the person, so no matter how much importance the need for such is shouted , until the cause is accepted as a reality and a crime it is a pointless exercise.


BINGO!

I love how "everyone" continually tries to discredit Hopkins and Jacobs, just because they were not clinically trained scientists, and wanting everyone to believe that every patient they worked with made completely false statements! Hundreds and hundreds of patients: none of them abducted, they were simply victims of the Artist and the Historian!

I also love how people fail to bring up the UFO "darling" Researcher John Mack was also NOT clinically trained, yet somehow managed to come up with very similar results, in his hypnosis sessions!

I also love how people fail to bring up the many clinically trained researchers, who have come up with very similar results in their hypnosis sessions!

I also love how people like to only bring up things that support their position while leaving out the things that detract from it!

I also love how these detractors ignore or criticize abductees as being liars, mentally ill, our made to believe they were abducted by some unclinically trained crack pot.

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« Reply #138 on: Feb 6th, 2014, 01:34am »

Reading Freyasdays post was interesting, over the years I have talked with quite a few people claiming abduction and most have been in the sleeping hours. When listening to their stories I have found that as in Freys story they never left their bed even though they believe they had. as in Frey’s story ET in a visitation manipulates the mind so if ET wants you to believe your sitting on a snow covered mountain then you will believe it really happened but in reality your still tucked up in bed only you have this alien standing next to you. I see two scenarios that are happening, visitation in your home and abduction when in active hours and as we see in Frey’s story she or he as no real information given is experiencing both scenarios, I myself have only experienced abduction but others I have spoken with understand they where still in bed and if it was not for their partner confirming the alien presence they would have doubted the experience and looked upon it as a dream or abduction as they appeared to leave their home. How ET manages to come and go I can only speculate due to the damage caused when such a visitation had gone wrong for ET and that footprint still exists intact to this day, as for the manipulation of the mind I have experienced such and it is scary when you dissect it after the incident and realize how easily they can take over your mind even at a distance and in my case I would estimate at least fifty yards from them when it started which is some feat not to be taken lightly.
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Couldn’t agree more Mythos and I would like this form of abduction entered into the law books along with all the other criminal laws that exist then maybe it will be taken seriously and investigated properly.
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« Reply #139 on: Feb 6th, 2014, 04:13am »

Jjflash, kudos on a long and informative thread here! I agree on the need for any therapist dealing with alien abductees to have proper credentials, be it in Psychology or Psychiatry. (Because of the likelyhood part of this experience entails serious psychological trauma.)

My addition is that such professional health care provider / doctor also must have some background, no 'credential' but of a demonstrated interest/affinity with the abduction experience* and with the enigma of extraterrestrial visitors. To prevent giving the impression he/she is only looking for a possible diagnosis of psychopathology.

Simply, imo a good abduction therapist must be prepared to deal with both an emerging mental disorder/psychosis, and with a classical alien abduction experience. Actually also with a combination of both, because the real deal is bound to mess up abductees' life some.

[*) Not because there's a known Alien Abduction Disorder, or UFOlogy is a scientific field, but on the grounds patients/clients present themselves with an unusual/rare experience. There are non-abduction precedents for such special focus, for instance patients reporting pre- and perinatal (relating to being in the womb and getting born) memories, conscious and extremely painful memories of surgical procedures where anesthesia failed, and accounts of a Near Death Experience.]


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« Reply #140 on: Feb 6th, 2014, 11:07am »

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THIS WAS A TOPIC I HAD PLANNED TO BROACH AND IT APPEARS YOU HAVE BROKEN THE ICE FOR MY INPUT.
OUT OF 297 PYCHOLOGICAL DIAGNOSES...CAN ONE POINT TO A CLEAR CLINICAL TEST FOR EACH DIAGNOSIS TO JUSTIFY SAME...WHICH IN FACT IS UNIVERSALLY ACCEPTED BY PEER REVIEW...THAT BEING A MINOR POINT IN THE MENAGERIE OF SUCH ENDEAVORS AND LET'S FURTHER CONSIDER THE ACADEMIC APPROACH TO ONE WHOM MAY HAVE HAD AN UFOLOGICAL ENCOUNTER WHICH HAS LEFT LINGERING FEARS~APPREHENSION~CONFUSION AND A QUEST FOR ANSWERS.

ONE MUST FIRST CONSIDER TRADITIONAL ACADEMIA HAS FROWNED UPON SUCH CONSIDERATION OF THE EXISTENCE OF THIS UFOLOGICAL PHENOMENA WITH THE EXCEPTION OF DR.JOHN MACK {WITH A PEDIGREED EDUCTATION}. MOREOVER, LOOK AT HOW HIS COLLEAGUES TREATED HIM~PEERED PRESSURED HIM BEYOND PROFESSIONAL BOUNDARIES... BUT PRIOR TO HIS AFFINITY TO UFOLOGICAL ANALYSIS OF ABDUCTEES~HE WAS THE "GOLDEN BOY"...THE HERD MENTALLITY!!!...THEY OSTRACIZED HIM MUCH LIKE THEY DO WITH THOSE EXPERIENCING SUCH PHENOMENA!

THEREFORE...TRADITIONAL ACADEMIA WITH RARE EXCEPTIONS WOULD FIRST AND FOREMOST NOT BE RECEPTIVE TO SUCH EXPERIENCES (ALTHOUGH WOULD SCHEDULE AND BILL $$$) AND BY-IN-LARGE WOULD STATE SUCH IS REALLY A MANIFESTION IN ONES MIND{AND IN SOME INSTANCES SUCH IS THE CASE}...BUT THOSE WHOM HAVE ACTUALLY SEEN SOMETHING...ALONG THE LINES OF J.ALLEN HYNEK'S 5% OF UNEXPLAINABLE UNKNOWNS...WHAT CAN SUCH HEALTH PROFESSIONAL OFFER OTHER THAN MEDS~BEHAVIORAL MODIFICATION~AND PRONOUNCED ADJUSTMENTS OF COPING SKILLS...THUS...IF ONE WERE TO RELY ON SUCH OPINIONS~THERE REMIANS MUCH TO BE DESIRED FOR THOSE IN THE FOG OF UFOLOGICAL ENCOUNTERS AT WHAT EVER LEVEL...MED EM UP~TELL EM YA REALLY DIDN'T SEE WHAT YOU THOUGHT YOU SAW~AND LET'S TRY THESE COPING EXERCISES huh

THE ABOVE MENTIONED IS WHY FORUMS LIKE THESE SEEM TO CONTINUE AND IN SOME INSTANCES FLOURISH AS THOSE WHOM ARE IN THE QUAGMIRE OF UNDERSTANDING WHAT MAY HAVE HAPPENED~FIND MORE SYMPATHETIC VOICES~ FOR A PHENOMENA THAT HAS EXISTED FOR QUITE SOME TIME...HIDDEN IN THE PAPAL VAULTS...SEQUESTERED IN THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY...CATACOMBED IN NASA...THERE ARE THOSE WHOM KNOW!

WHY HAS SUCH NOT MET THE SUNSHINE OF GLOBAL ACCEPTANCE~FEAR~PURE AND SIMPLE...OF THE POTENTIAL LOSS OF THOSE VESTED TABOOS WHICH HAS AMASSED MASSIVE FORTUNES...ALL ON THE BACK OF PERPETUATIONING THIS ILLUSION SUCH IS A FIGMENT OF ONES IMAGINATION~TELL THAT TO BETTY AND BARNEY HILL~TELL THAT TO JAMES PENNESTON AND THOSE AT RENDELSHAM FOREST...AND WHO KNOWS HOW MANY OTHERS JUST LIKE THEM BUT NEVER HAD THE MEDIA HYPE TO CATAPULT THEIR STORY TO THE COURT OF DIGITAL OPINION...OR MEDIA OSTRICIZATION!

SOOOO...IS GOING TO A SHRINK POST FACTO FROM AND ENCOUNTER LIKE BEING AT A GROCERY STORE POST DISASTER AFTER HUNDREDS MADE A MAD DASH TO GET BREAD AND YOU GET THERE...AND ONLY ONE LOAF IS LEFT...AND ONE IS FORCED TO TAKE SAME~IMHO~ THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE!...AND HEREIN LIES THE TRAGEDY OF IT ALL wink

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