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« Reply #315 on: Nov 14th, 2007, 10:39pm »

Hey Mat, cheesy

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and that's just one of the problems efing 'gov denial' has given us. we are left for ourselves to work out what is happening, what is part of the of the abductions and what isn't


Ain't that the truth!! angry Not to mention them messing with what information is out there. It's taking hundreds of baby steps every day. Little by little. rolleyes But we're a tough bunch and will persevere! grin

How much do you remember from your abductions? Would like to hear more about them if you would be willing to share. I truly hope that is all you've been thru and that it will be the end of it for you.

Don't give up on your faith or God. I trust my Bible, and when it comes right down to it - all one needs to worry about is accepting Christ as Savior. That is the main, the most important point of God's Word. Christ died for us - for our sins, it's a free gift - eternal life. The rest is all to help build and strengthen our faith & our daily walk, moral rules to try to live by, history, events, prophecies. I believe in a conspiracy around every corner, and probably am a bit paranoidal rolleyes but I do truly believe in my Bible.

Thanks for your kind words Mat, so much appreciated. Sounds like you have had some really rough times too. If you feel like talking more about events, but don't feel like discussing some of it on forum, just send me either a message or feel free to e-mail me also.

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« Reply #316 on: Nov 14th, 2007, 11:09pm »

It is nice to see this thread going again. I have no memories of ever being abducted, and certainly don't want a first time.
When I think of how we tag animals even though we do it for benevolent reasons....I think that is only our perspective. The bear, or other animal might be perceiving it very differently. And when we tell ourselves we are doing it for their own good.... what if ET is thinking they are doing it "for our own good?"
I hope I don't offend any abductees with that statement, but I just thought it is all about perspective...the animals we tag may see themselves every bit as much a victim as humans who are tested, examined, and tagged, then released. And I wonder if an ET sees himself as we see aourselves when we tag animals.
But, I have not been abducted to my knowledge, so I can't imagine what it must be like for someone who lives with that knowledge. I just don't want to offend anyone, but thought I'd throw that out.
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« Reply #317 on: Nov 15th, 2007, 04:48am »

hello again CC, and Linda smiley

everything i've written in this, and childhood thread, is all i''m allowed(??) to remember.
that said, one day i wish to be hypnotised and am pretty sure(?) i'll have more to tell then.

as for my faith, it will always be there smiley
..just not in men in positions of 'power' wink

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..Sounds like you have had some really rough times too...


yep.
(well, i thought i did till i read what you wrote, jeez!)

EDITED: UNNECESSARY GIBBERISH

The more i think about it
i think it may really be time for me to be hypnotised;
so, hopefully soon, i will have something more to add.
might ask fellow aussie Luvey if she can recommend anyone in melb.

will keep informed smiley
take care all,

love
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« Reply #318 on: Nov 15th, 2007, 07:53am »

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what if ET is thinking they are doing it "for our own good?"
I hope I don't offend any abductees with that statement, but I just thought it is all about perspective...the animals we tag may see themselves every bit as much a victim as humans who are tested, examined, and tagged, then released. And I wonder if an ET sees himself as we see aourselves when we tag animals.


i'm sure you wouldn't of upset anyone, missy. smiley
we are here to ask questions and get various opinions.

as for your thoughts, it would not surprise me in the slightest, Ms C.
and going by how 'some' abductees report the aliens behaviour as being blunt, seemingly uncaring, or just going about their business,
i think it may well be the case that that's how some of them view us, and their role in regards to the experience.

(it may even be the case, as proposed by others, that 'some' of the greys are 'robotic'(ish) and simply doing their job)

..or they are just uncaring self-serving bast@rds(??)

good chance CC and Trueorig would possibly opt for the latter. wink

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« Reply #319 on: Nov 15th, 2007, 08:48am »

Hi Matt

If you contact Mary Rodwell at ACERN http://members.iinet.net.au/~starline/About%20Acern2005/About_Acern.htm the email address is on that link, I am pretty sure she will point you to the right person to contact.....only one way to find out.... grin

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« Reply #320 on: Nov 15th, 2007, 10:45am »

Hey guys,

Don't have to worry about offending me - no offense taken. We all have our viewpoints and that is what discussion is all about.

After the past couple of years of more reading sites, peoples work, abductees stories, I have come pretty much fully over to the side that few if any abductions are truly benevolant. I think the memories taken from regressions are another set of "happy - good" memories set in place in order for us to find them upon regression with the hopes that we will not dig any deeper.

Check out website for the late Dr. Karla Turner. This sight has put many of her works out there so all can read her books, articles, interviews, view video's on-line on one website. Her books are now out of print, hard to find, or expensive to buy when you find them.
Excerpt from website: http://www.karlaturner.org/

Dr. Karla Turner died of cancer on January 10, 1996, after being threatened for her work. She was just 48. Since then, several other people involved in UFO investigation have also experienced threats followed by highly unusual cancers.

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Excerpt from Same Website from Karla’s Article “Abductions in the Ginger Bread House,“ -
http://www.karlaturner.org/articles/turner/Abductions%20in%20the%20Gingerbread%20House.html


...A regression session was arranged, and in the course of the hypnosis, he was asked to look at that childhood experience. What he recalled was an abduction in which he and his grandmother were taken to a spacecraft in the company of reptilian aliens. He remembered the aliens telling his grandmother that they were interested in learning about her knowledge of medicinal herbs.

And they offered to exchange medical information of their own. They gave the boy and the grandmother a liquid to drink, explaining that it was beneficial and would make the grandmother feel young and attractive again. So both of them drank the liquid, and the man remembered seeing his grandmother indeed looking much younger. That was the extent of his recollection. Both he and Ms. Bartholic, who was conducting the regression, were puzzled by this, because there was nothing in the episode to account for the guilt he had felt about the grandmother's death. So Ms. Bartholic deepened the man's trance level and asked him to look at it again, with much clearer vision. And what he then recalled was much more disturbing …

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The above and other works of Dr. Karla Turner, Barbara Bartholic & others have lead me to believe that many of the regressions that have been done for abductees have not gone deep enough to perhaps get at the real truth. How upsetting is that thought? It at least has opened my eyes to that fact and possibility so that when I go again for regression, it will be to someone who understands that we need to look more closely at what we first uncover, maybe reach a deeper trance, look again & more closely at what we have just uncovered - is it really what we thought it was the first time.

A lot of people will not want to read or view the negative accounts of abduction. I think many will want to hold on to the rosy colored pictures they have of it because they can't face the possibility that they are being taken by a malevolant force. And again, I'm not saying all accounts are negative - but we have to be open to look and research the possibility that there is something malevolent there. These accounts are surfacing more and more and can't be discounted.

And the one point I really want to make to other abductees is to be careful with whom you choose to do your regression, find someone who will approach it as did karla and Barbara - and not just stop at the first set of screens and accept right away that this is what happened. Take that closer look around your surroundings one more time.

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everything i've written in this, and childhood thread, is all i''m allowed(??) to remember.
that said, one day i wish to be hypnotised and am pretty sure(?) i'll have more to tell then.


I will have to look for your other threads and read your accounts. Thanks Mat, look forward to that.

Regression will probably bring more to mind for you as have read that in many other abductee's accounts where many more have come to mind for them. Regression is a big step as remembering what has happened is like reliving it and can be very traumatic, and once recalled, you can't go back to not knowing. It changes your life. Be ready to accept that before you make that step. But on a positive note - good thing about regression is knowing what happened during those stolen moments of your life and also a healing can take place once remembered. I think it is a good thing to do, but just know it will be very emotional and traumatic to go thru, and knowing that you can prepare yourself for that. Regression and the knowing will give us more tools to fight with and help to try to get back more control over our lives.

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Mat posted - (it may even be the case, as proposed by others, that 'some' of the greys are 'robotic'(ish) and simply doing their job)

..or they are just uncaring self-serving bast@rds(??)

good chance CC and Trueorig would possibly opt for the latter.


LOL - but probably true, lol.

I think the greys may be a genetically engineered worker for the reptillian and/or mantis groups. I wonder if manis is above most groups. There doesn't seem to be much interchange with the greys and abductees.

I don't recall where I read the account - but think was a reptillian who was doing procedure on this man and causing very extreme pain for the guy, but didn't care nor did anything to take the pain away (which is unforgiveable as they have the ability to do so. And if they are benevolent, why would they not take pain away when doing procedures when they have the ability to do so?) there were grays around the table he was on at this time and one of the grays stepped out of normal character and touched his forehead against orders from the reptillian. He touched the guys forehead and said,"No more pain now, (said guys name), no more pain now. I often wondered after reading that if the gray was exterminated after that for not following orders. And as we have viewed the grays, sure seems odd he would do what he did. I will try and find that article - but don't know if will be ale to.

Another very good book for regression accounts is by Ed and Frances Walters - "UFO Abductions in Gulf Breeze."

All for right now - gotta run.

Later - cheesy

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« Reply #321 on: Nov 15th, 2007, 9:33pm »

thankyou very much for the link Luvey,
i think it's time for me to do it.
(i had tried to do it in the past but went severely pear shaped sad)

that said, i kinda was going into it with rose colored glasses;
great post CC, and after what you wrote, i think it will be a process of steps, (and sessions)!!!

first session i think i will only be asking my subconcious a few simple questions..

did i see a ufo walking across my paddock?
did i experience missing time?
was i taken aboard the craft?

..and, my god that will probably do for day 'one'; to be honest.
am bit jittery at the thought of even just asking that.

here's a scary thought i've pondered..
what if i turn around and say
"..what bloody ufo, ya daft idiot..?!" shocked
hahaha
will just have to cross that bridge when i come to it.
and not very likely anyways, i'm thinkin.
(hmmm ...not that that would be such a shame from what i've read cool)


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« Reply #322 on: Nov 15th, 2007, 11:11pm »

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what if i turn around and say
"..what bloody ufo, ya daft idiot..?!"
hahaha


grin You're a hoot! Bout fell of my chair! You and my son would get along really swell. cheesy Sound like two peas in a pod! I love it!

I hope I didn't come on too strong, and glad to see that you are still looking at going forward with it. I just worry too much, lol. Just wanted you to be prepared for that step & to realize it will be tough to go thru but also well worthwhile. I still haven't heard back so am going to make more inquiries for someone to go to around my neck of the woods. I did have one regression - went to someone in Minneapolis about a year before I moved to Illinois. We tried two separate sessions in one day but were unable to break thru. But think one thing was just being nervous with him and think I would do better and feel more at ease talking to a female therapist.


Hope it works out for you finding someone to do regression thru and think it great that you are going to do so. Just sorry if I came on too strong and hope I didn't put you off on it. I just reread what I wrote and thought, "Man, I really shovelled it on there a wee bit heavy!" But I do truly think it is a positive and healing thing for a person to go thru regression.

All for tonite - past time for lites out. Have a good nite.

CC

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« Reply #323 on: Nov 17th, 2007, 01:40am »

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You're a hoot! Bout fell of my chair! You and my son would get along really swell


(hehe wink and i like him already grin )

and NO, you didn't come across too strong.
smileyas said, important for me to realise it is not all it seems, and will be a series of steps as you found too.

and i can relate to thinking a female might be prefferable
..(and i'm a guy!)
seemingly less 'threatening' i guess.

will be sure to keep you all posted here smiley

livo


ps: thank you again Luvey smiley
being on the other side of the country she was unable to help personally,
but she gave me a contact number to try, and they are located in the next town!!
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« Reply #324 on: Nov 17th, 2007, 06:00am »

Hi Matt

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ps: thank you again Luvey
being on the other side of the country she was unable to help personally, but she gave me a contact number to try, and they are located in the next town!!


I read on her web site that she had contacts Australia wide to help abductees.....so I knew she would be able to point you to the right person to help you. So....wow, only in the next town eh.... Sounds like it was meant to be....whadda ya reckon?

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« Reply #325 on: Nov 17th, 2007, 08:54am »

smileyms luvey

my phone no is 9756...
the number she gave me was 9755...

yep.

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So....wow, only in the next town eh.... Sounds like it was meant to be....whadda ya reckon?


i think it's intimidating,
typical (of my life),

..and sounds like it meant to be.

embarassed lipsrsealed undecided cry undecided lipsrsealed embarassed
(i think i [barely] alluded to in my abduction post as to what happened in ?'96? when i last tried...
oh, my, god.)

..but this 'is' hinting at 'its time' though.
tomorrow is sunday.
tomorrow i will call.
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« Reply #326 on: Nov 17th, 2007, 10:30am »

Hey Mat,

How great to have someone that close - yea, maybe was meant to be! That is awesome. Look forward to hearing how it goes for you.

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« Reply #327 on: Nov 19th, 2007, 07:45am »

hmmm
well, what to say.

first, i rung the number i was given; and was given a cryptic 'sorry, can't help'.
(like it was the wrong number almost, but it wasn't..!?)

so then i contacted 'praufo', a victorian group..
and was unable to make contact on the given no's.

so i contacted 'vufors', another local research and support group,
and asked if they could recommend anyone,
and haven't recieved a response at all..

****
(and then, yesterday, something amazing happened that is to do with ufo's, but different...
and i am now busy; and one efn lucky boy). (!!!!!)

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huh
quite seriously, it happened again.
life said no.

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it happened again.
i don't think i'm allowed to be.
(as mad as it sounds)
huh huh huh
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(sorry for lack of available detail regarding 'lucky boy'; nothing (my right) to tell yet, just felt i had to be descriptive of events)
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« Reply #328 on: Nov 19th, 2007, 1:16pm »

Hey Mat,

That had to be frustrating for you - ran into same problems here trying to contact #'s and organizations I found. I did search online and found couple places in Chicago area, but when sent e-mails out, they were marked undeliverable. Other two I've contacted, I've received no replies at all. Am trying to be patient, but is hard to. I have a Mufon gentleman I could contact but I am so leary of doing so - fear of who I can trust or not trust. Hard to get over that.

Sorry it happened again to you. I had strange occurrance last night, and don't know if was beginning and end of an abduction or not. Maybe it was just bad dream. Just really frightened and bothered me. I thought I was awake and was getting up to make a bathroom trip. Next thing I know I'm in bed and trying to get up to go to the bathroom, but it's like I am frozen in bed, immobilized, and I am scared of something next to the bed, but can't see anything. I fight against it and force myself into a sitting position. That is when I "wake up" or think I wake up - it's totally confusing. I just remember thinking, "What a relief, I must have been dreaming." So I got out of bed and finally was able to make my bathroom trip. Afterwards, I started to wonder if I had been dreaming or if they'd been back again. The happenings are always so weird that one has a hard time telling what's reality and what isn't. What's real or what's a dream. I think they count on that.

Hope you are doing ok. You can e-mail me if feel the need to talk.

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« Reply #329 on: Nov 19th, 2007, 8:13pm »

hello cc (and luvey, and ms c) smiley
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..had to be frustrating for you - ran into same problems here trying to contact #'s and organizations I found. I did search online and found couple places in Chicago area, but when sent e-mails out, they were marked undeliverable. Other two I've contacted, I've received no replies at all...


that is exactly what happened.
and the organisations i contacted have a good reputation from what i've read.
so i don't blame them.
as mad as it sounded, (and as best i can tell)
.. i mean it when i said 'i don't think i'm allowed'.

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I have a Mufon gentleman I could contact but I am so leary of doing so - fear of who I can trust or not trust. Hard to get over that.


i can relate.
(and is possible i upset one of the orgs because i kinda went on about how 'cautious' i am.)

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..Afterwards, I started to wonder if I had been dreaming or if they'd been back again. The happenings are always so weird that one has a hard time telling what's reality and what isn't. What's real or what's a dream. I think they count on that.


damn it. i 'wished' for you not to have anymore events.
(and am privately hoping therfore it was a dream.
..and really was wishfull thinking on my behalf; as they don't listen to me,
or they would of landed in my paddock for a [friendly] visit a long time ago)

and thank you missy, am doing ok.
(more than, in fact smiley )

..but was hoping to of finally found out what happened.

and for now, am happy to discuss here, as may (??) be of help to others to read our thoughts.
(and am not very shy cool )
..but will email you if becomes necessary,
so thank you for letting me know.
take care,

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