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« Reply #360 on: Nov 6th, 2008, 4:30pm »

Relative to the article presented by Jan: This is a common perception of the alien abduction phenomenon and it is false. As an abductee I find the idea that someone abducting me in the middle of some other activity and brought through the air to a space craft not very friendly. The fact that they try to block memory of the event speaks to their motives. If you are open and acting in the interest of people you do not need to block their memories. Thanks for posting this article.
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« Reply #361 on: Nov 6th, 2008, 11:09pm »

We each have our take on the UFO phenomenon and on how we should perceive the abductions - good vs evil. I guess this is something we will each have to battle with and deal with in our own way for as much as we try to bring our views about, to try and get others to view things as we see them, we seem to fall short and fail. It is like hitting a brick wall head on when I try to express my views that there is evil intent from the "aliens" and their abducting us. I feel very strongly that there is nothing but evil intent with the abductions, and in most cases it has been hidden deep beneath screen memories or totally taken and wiped clean from our consciousness as though it never occurred. What that doesn't wipe clean are the subconscious fears and strangeness that we live with our whole lives. We can't and don't understand most of them until at some point the veil is slightly lifted and we start to see the horrors going on in our lives and wonder why is this happening to me.

I love to read murder mysteries - thoroughly enjoy them. I think the reason I enjoy them so much is that in the end, in most of the novels, the bad guys are caught and punished. I only wish it were that way in real life, and think that is the point - I wish it were true in the case of my abductions. I wish we could get the "bad guys" and make them pay for what they have done. This became so evident for me when I was reading one of my books a couple of days ago. The main character in this book was a police officer and she had come close to death while trying to capture a serial killer. The whole incident had a horrendous affect on her, shook her to her very core and turned her world upside down. Her life now was full of phobias - every night she would come home and carry her gun with her thru each room, checking closets, under the beds. She had several locks on her doors. She never felt safe. She had trouble sleeping.

As I'm reading this I'm thinking - wow - what a parrallel with my life - not the serial killer part, lol - but her fears. It was like she was discussing my life. Though I didn't walk thru my house with a gun - I did carry a large wooden baseball bat with me as I checked and double checked every room from basement to upstairs, I'd check and recheck the door locks, look under the beds & in the closets. And - it was a very hard thing for me to pull open the closet doors to check inside, I was always scared there'd be something there. Talk about knots in the stomache and muscles!

Then a couple paragraphs later the lead character is looking out her window and watching some young highschool kids walking and laughing in a care free manner. she comments on how she wished she still had that innocence about life and the ability that those young kids would have in getting a peaceful nights sleep. That really hit me hard. Why? Because I never have had that ability. My whole life from a very young age has been filled with these fears. I've had no "normal" life, no ability to get a peaceful nights sleep, the sleep of the innocent and young who have no fears of life as yet. That was all taken away from me at 3 or 4 years of age. And it really hit home to me reading that in my book. It made me very angry and it also made me really sad.

How many of us have had that stolen from us?

I'm 60 years old and it wasn't until 1997 that I finally figured out what was going on in my life. I've had memories erased since I was 3 or 4 years old! Lived with recurring nightmares, fear of the dark, bad health problems - and as I've gotten older, the nightmares have gotten worse, not better. Not only the nightmares but I was subjected to waking during some of the most recent abductions, of being lifted from my bed and suspended in the air looking at the creatures standing about my bedroom.

I agree with what the Fisherman says: "As an abductee I find the idea that someone abducting me in the middle of some other activity and brought through the air to a space craft not very friendly. The fact that they try to block memory of the event speaks to their motives. If you are open and acting in the interest of people you do not need to block their memories."

For me, that is putting it mildly.

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« Reply #362 on: Nov 7th, 2008, 2:29pm »

on Sep 29th, 2002, 5:55pm, B J Booth wrote:
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A terrifying nightmare is the only way to describe an alien abduction. Are alien abductions real? Or, are they a figment of the imagination from the dark, uncharted regions of the human brain.

The general public seems to be split on this matter. Hard core science tells us that the event called alien abduction only occurs during sleep when the brain is in a creative mode and possibly dealing with a real life problem. They say that alien abduction could not happen, therefore it doesn't. Can the skeptics explain away all the documented evidence of abductees?

On the other hand, what about abductions that occur when the abductee is wide awake, or in broad daylight? Hallucination? Delusion? Fanciful imagination? What about the Hill abduction, the Allagash abductions, Betty Andreasson, Travis Walton, and others?

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Hi BJ!

I find myself warring with differing points of view in my own mind on this subject. One, the theory that has been proposed that the vast majority of so-called "abuductions" are in fact conducted by very human government agents, utilizing mind-control drugs and other techniques to instill the alien abudction scenario. What would be the reason behind this I can only venture to guess... sterilization procedures, genetic manipulation of the "cattle" (i.e., masses), perhaps even something as darstardly as introduction of viral and bacterial disease planted to come to the fore at a later point in time, thereby instituting an irreversible means of population control. It is a well known fact that the population explosion on this planet is of genuine and dire concern to the Power Elite, and only so many can be killed off in the various wars they promote around the globe for that and the purpose of greed.
I think this theory has much that can be said for it being the truth, though of course there is no way to "prove" such a thing.

Certainly it is also possible that many other abductees are working out waking life problems with a realistic dream projection of the abduction scenario. Still others could be victims of inexperienced "suggestive" hypnotic regressive technicques, and not necessarily intentionally provoked by the facilitator.

But there remains a number of cases that are not so easily explained away by any of the above explanations, namely the ones you mentioned: Bettyand Barney Hill, Betty Andreason, and Travis Walton, along with Ed Walters. I have read the entire series of books published by Raymond Moody on the Andreasson affair, and am in communication with Betty's daughter Becky, who herself had experiences of her own over the years of contact. I can tell you that these are honest and authentic people, with no "ax to grind" nor any desire for fame or notoriety. Betty's experiences, so well documented right down to the incredible drawings her ability as a gifted artist allowed her to produce, detailing various aspects of her experiences with these Visitors definitely leaves the distinct impression that what she is dealing with is most decidedly NOT of this world! I think you may recall, BJ, that some time back I wrote you and spoke of a drawing Betty did of a device used by the aliens to reduce and enlarge the size of their craft, presumeably... a device which looked almost identical to one held in the hand of a helmeted "space being" of some kind in an extremely ancient drawing found in Sumer and printed in one of Zecheria Sitchen's books. I felt it (the almost identical device showing up in the drawings of an ancient civilization and in those done by a woman of the 21st Century who was drawing from memory a device she she saw aliens utilize in her presence in this day and age) to be the so-called "smoking gun" that UFOlogists have been searching for for YEARS, but try as I might to call it to the attention of those who claim to be interested in linking up such evidential threads to form a cohesive tapestry, I could get no one to see the value of further investigation.

The bottom line it seems to me is this... Betty had a real experience.... so did the Hills, so did Travis Walton, and so did Ed Walters. There are probably others as well whose stories we never heard and never will. I believe they are genuine. But I also think there's a good possibility that the huge number of so-called adjuctions are more likely to be manifestations of the other "explanations". If aliens were truly messing with that percentage of the population, they would hardly have enough hours in the day and night to accomplish their task......!!! Just my personal opinion.

If anybody's interested in seeing the device I mentioned that appears in Sitchen's book of ancient pictographes from Sumerian culture and comparing it with the device Betty drew which is featured in the volume on her experiences called The Watchers, let me know. I will be happy to try and post them here for your comparison.
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« Reply #363 on: Dec 3rd, 2008, 09:16am »

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« Reply #364 on: Dec 3rd, 2008, 7:45pm »

I guess I am not a true believer, yet I believe in some things. I believe in the Bible but often not the Church. I believe in aliens and alien abduction but not many true believer UFO people like some of those who think every piece of dust or lens flare in a photo is a UFO. I believe in alien abduction primarily because I am an abductee. If you have seen the little &%#@’s face to face on their space craft it is hard to convince you they do not exist.

I believe in the Bible but I guess I am not a true believer because I questioned everything. The Bible with study and comparison to history always had the answers and when I practiced the principles of the Bible they worked. The Church often failed and contradicted the Bible. There are good churches, I think or hope, somewhere. I am looking.

God with His Word the Bible and His Holy Spirit has proven Himself to me. Many churches seem to listen more to man than God. The aliens proved themselves to me the hard way. The UFO people seem to have more theories than fact. Some UFO investigators do a good job. Proof? That depends on who you are. Some people would explain a UFO on their front yard as indigestion.
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« Reply #365 on: Dec 10th, 2008, 06:24am »

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« Reply #366 on: Dec 10th, 2008, 09:23am »

http://inexplicata.blogspot.com/2008/12/ufo-contacts-and-abductions.html
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« Reply #367 on: Dec 10th, 2008, 4:52pm »

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But there remains a number of cases that are not so easily explained away by any of the above explanations, namely the ones you mentioned: Bettyand Barney Hill, Betty Andreason, and Travis Walton, along with Ed Walters. I have read the entire series of books published by Raymond Moody on the Andreasson affair, and am in communication with Betty's daughter Becky, who herself had experiences of her own over the years of contact. I can tell you that these are honest and authentic people, with no "ax to grind" nor any desire for fame or notoriety. Betty's experiences, so well documented right down to the incredible drawings her ability as a gifted artist allowed her to produce, detailing various aspects of her experiences with these Visitors definitely leaves the distinct impression that what she is dealing with is most decidedly NOT of this world! I think you may recall, BJ, that some time back I wrote you and spoke of a drawing Betty did of a device used by the aliens to reduce and enlarge the size of their craft, presumeably... a device which looked almost identical to one held in the hand of a helmeted "space being" of some kind in an extremely ancient drawing found in Sumer and printed in one of Zecheria Sitchen's books. I felt it (the almost identical device showing up in the drawings of an ancient civilization and in those done by a woman of the 21st Century who was drawing from memory a device she she saw aliens utilize in her presence in this day and age) to be the so-called "smoking gun" that UFOlogists have been searching for for YEARS, but try as I might to call it to the attention of those who claim to be interested in linking up such evidential threads to form a cohesive tapestry, I could get no one to see the value of further investigation.

The bottom line it seems to me is this... Betty had a real experience.... so did the Hills, so did Travis Walton, and so did Ed Walters. There are probably others as well whose stories we never heard and never will. I believe they are genuine. But I also think there's a good possibility that the huge number of so-called adjuctions are more likely to be manifestations of the other "explanations". If aliens were truly messing with that percentage of the population, they would hardly have enough hours in the day and night to accomplish their task......!!! Just my personal opinion.

If anybody's interested in seeing the device I mentioned that appears in Sitchen's book of ancient pictographes from Sumerian culture and comparing it with the device Betty drew which is featured in the volume on her experiences called The Watchers, let me know. I will be happy to try and post them here for your comparison.


Hello Seeker - I think it’s a little disappointing that some choose to overlook such an incredible nuance of Betty’s recollections and the way it ties in with depictions of a device drawn by an ancient civilization. Coincidence (as it might be), an amazing one nonetheless and is definitely deserving of our attention. I for one think otherwise and am leaning towards perceptible connection between the two ‘seemingly’ unrelated incidents.
Would it be at all possible to post those drawings here, if it’s not too much trouble offcourse, I would love to see them.
On a slightly different note, I wanted to say thank you for bringing this correlation into the public’s eye, it’s fascinating to say the least! smiley
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« Reply #368 on: Dec 11th, 2008, 1:18pm »

Nebraska Woman Recalls Alien Abduction
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« Reply #369 on: Dec 18th, 2008, 11:14pm »

Hello all! I too would love to see the device comparisons, Seeker. I am definetly facsinated by this subject. I've always been drawn to anything Sumarian. But I still believe, despite a few odd experiences that I am not an abductee.

I seem to have experienced an awakening of some sort though, and I contribute it to the thought provoking subjects I've read posted here mainly by many senior members and moderators of this forum. It has for me, indeed, provoked a lot of thought about the subject and my feelings. I am very grateful for this.

Many whom have read some of my few posts on this subject of abduction may have noticed my anger on the subject, and wondered about me. Lol! I wondered about me too. I'm old enough to know that sustained anger is harmful to one, and this subject appeared to spark my anger. Physically and mentally.

I still don't believe all good on the subject. Just that like us, there are good and there are "not good" entities in the universe. I now choose to not let anger rear it's ugly head taking control and poison me when discussing or thinking of this subject. I still feel compassion for those whom have these encounters.

Anyway, I just wanted to thank BJ (again grin) for having this forum available for us all, and to say I am grateful to our members and moderators for sharing their experience and wisdom with us.

Peace, ammaj
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« Reply #370 on: Jan 12th, 2009, 2:31pm »

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« Reply #371 on: Feb 24th, 2009, 5:12pm »

I am reading allot of fear in these posts. I have been abducted myself and while i can't say it was all puppy dogs and rainbows, I never felt my life was in danger.

It just might be me though. I found that I have things in common with them. I am a minimalist. Don't really care for fashion. No interests in putting knickknacks through out the house. Can be a bit cold and calculating at times. But have a passion for knowledge and sensations.

I get the impression the coldness people sense is merely a result of their intellect.

subjective truth - objective truth - and moral indifference are the issue.

You can't say 'hey, they are evil!' when you are a bias observer...
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« Reply #372 on: Apr 20th, 2009, 4:20pm »

on Feb 24th, 2009, 5:12pm, Hidden wrote:
I get the impression the coldness people sense is merely a result of their intellect.

subjective truth - objective truth - and moral indifference are the issue.

You can't say 'hey, they are evil!' when you are a bias observer...


You right, but their perception are based on rationality and not emotion, as most of human.
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« Reply #373 on: May 16th, 2009, 2:34pm »

on Apr 20th, 2009, 4:20pm, Aurelien wrote:
You right, but their perception are based on rationality and not emotion, as most of human.


doubt it ...try a paradigm shift on this one too...most of humanity makes their judgements based on emotion not rationality....thats what makes people easier to control.....it would seem your trying to use reverse logic in theese threads in order to make someone agree with you aurelien...
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« Reply #374 on: Jun 29th, 2009, 1:31pm »

I've read from various sources that some signs of abduction are

-Waking up in odd locations, possibly with clothes on the wrong way
-Missing time
-Seeing an animal, then having it dissapear

If that's correct I've experienced all 3 of those.
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