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« Reply #450 on: Jan 21st, 2011, 10:29am »

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Strangely I was not notified of your last post until today. Generally I agree with your statements. I went to an experienced hypnotherapist. He did make some suggestions. One was "You will see clearly." Another was a test to see if I was suggestible. He asked about the appearance of the examination table, he wanted to know how many legs it had. I informed him that it had no legs but a large pedestal. I did not take the leg suggestion. He did not try to help me with the abductions as I had a healthy response. He does other forms of hypnotherapy as well. His name is Craig Lang and he has a web site. He posted a story about me on his site, with my permission. It includes some information about physical evidence I sent to him. I had tried to imagine what had happened but during the regression I learned that I got almost everything wrong. This helped me to realize that I had recalled accurately.
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« Reply #451 on: Mar 5th, 2011, 3:12pm »

Not sure if this has been posted here but Carol Rainey Hopkins ex wife has criticized his and Jacobs work with abductees....and she makes a very good case and others agree with her.

http://kevinrandle.blogspot.com/2011/02/response-to-budd-hopkins.html

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"So, here’s the dirty little secret about abduction research. All the evidence is anecdotal. There is no real physical evidence. Oh sure, they talk of implants, but when those have been removed and analyzed, there is nothing to suggest an extraterrestrial technology.

Here’s the second dirty little secret. Contrary to what Hopkins believes, or David Jacobs believes, hypnosis isn’t a good research tool."

-Rainey's article as a pdf-
http://www.paratopia.net/paratopia_magazine/mag_preview_final.pdf
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« Reply #452 on: Mar 5th, 2011, 7:49pm »

Here is are few comments on hypnosis from Randell's blog.

<<< Hopkins has spent the years since the Kilburn case interviewing others who claim abduction. During the Clark interview, he pointed out that he had a number of psychiatrists, psychologists and psychotherapists who had come to him to explore segments of missing time with hypnosis. If these people, and their clients, aren't already "programmed" to believe in an abduction, then why search out Hopkins for assistance? Wouldn't anyone versed in hypnosis be able to help them learn what happened during this supposed missing time? Aren't each of them "primed" for an abduction, just as those who go to a reincarnation specialist are "primed" for learning about a past life.

Even that testimony in these sessions is somewhat contradictory. In Hopkins' own work there is evidence that the subjects do not easily accept the notion of abduction. Hopkins reports the tale of a man he called Philip Osborne. Hopkins wrote, "I noticed his interest in the subject had a particular edge to it. It was almost as if he accepted too much, too easily." Hopkins believed "that someone with a hidden traumatic UFO experience might later on be unconsciously drawn to the subject." >>>



<<< Here’s the second dirty little secret. Contrary to what Hopkins believes, or David Jacobs believes, hypnosis isn’t a good research tool. Oh sure, Hopkins talks about a "peer reviewed book" about hypnosis, published by a university press, but the editor is David Jacobs. Do you really believe that any paper suggesting that hypnosis might not be the best investigative technique would have made it into that book? Wouldn’t a better source for objective opinion by the various psychological journals that have studied hypnosis? (See, for example, "Scientific Status of Refreshing Recollection by the Use of Hypnosis, International Journal of Clinical and Experimental Hypnosis 34, 1 (1986) 1 –12; Robert A. Baker, "Hypnosis, Memory and Incidental Memory, American Journal of Clinical Hypnosis 25, 4 (1983) 253 – 300; Eddie Bullard, "Hypnosis No ‘Truth Serum’," UFO 4,2 (1989) 31 –35: J.H. Conn, "Is Hypnosis Really Dangerous?" International Journal of Clinical and Experimental Hypnosis 20 (1972) 61 – 69; M. Garry and E. Loftus, "Pseudo-memories without Hypnosis," International Journal of Clinical Hypnosis, 42, 4 (1994) 363 – 78; K. Grabowski, N. Roese and M. Thomas, "The Role of Expectancy in Hypnotic Hypermnesia: A Brief Communication," International Journal of Clinical and Experimental Hypnosis, 39 4 (1991) 193 - 7, to name just a few)>>>

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« Reply #453 on: Mar 6th, 2011, 08:02am »

Alien abduction or contactees are not proved in any form. The imagination used to think that a great revelation is coming about some alien agenda being revealed and the human race at last sitting down to discuss how it goes in the Universe with Aliens is absurd. A clever delusion may be provided some day for the public, but the real thing is not coming. Something may have come in the distant past, but humans appear to have lost this connection which must have been one sided at best.
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« Reply #454 on: Mar 6th, 2011, 3:23pm »

Oh gee! A bunch of people trying to run down research methods by people who have studied and used these methods successfully for years. Hypnosis used properly can reveal missing time accurately. Of course it can be misused as well. You can misuse a hammer to bash someone, but that does not mean you cannot build a house using one. Using an ex-wife as a source does not seem like a good idea. I can think of no one less objective. There have been thousands of people, including myself, who have testified to alien abduction. That is not proof? Such evidence is used to convict criminals, confirm history and much else. Why in the case of alien contact is it useless?

I personally had two hypnotic sessions with a trained hypno-therapist and found it invaluable. It enabled me to know for sure that I had been abducted. The therapist was very careful not to make any improper suggestions. He only guided me to remember what had happened. His suggestion was that I would see clearly when I was having problems. He also did a test suggestion. He asked how many legs the examination table had after I had stated I saw it. I told him it had none but was on a pedestal. In my case I was able to remember parts of abductions without hypnosis and there was other evidence including physical traces on my boat and a GPS trail showing my boat flying over a railroad embankment and back. I accidentally recorded three abductions this way. In one case I made way points that showed that I had been two time zones to the east over the Atlantic Ocean. That is very hard to do with a 16 foot fishing boat with a 40 horse engine. I was able to figure one and one half to two hours of missing time. So I was traveling pretty fast.

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« Reply #455 on: Mar 6th, 2011, 4:51pm »

We are not in a court of law. And with all due respect, and I do mean that, extraordinary claims DO require extraordinary proof.
We are trying to build the case that mainstream science should turn it's eye on the UFO. We have to overcome a list of gaps to do that. Trying to get from here to abductions in a single leap would be too much for Superman let alone science as it is today.
I do not doubt your story, I have no real reason to, but there are no outside wittnesses. And I would think that a race that was smart enough to snatch you and your boat, that could elude all our tracking efforts, would shield the boat from outside communications, the GPS network, while they had it.
If there is a weak link in the world of UFOlogy it is the Abductee/Contactee. Not even the most ET convinced of us are totally on board with this.
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« Reply #456 on: Mar 6th, 2011, 7:01pm »

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There are recorded abductions back to 1934. I was first abducted in 1938. There has been plenty of time to jump and there is no longer any big leap. Alien abduction is no longer extraordinary. I mentioned witness testimony for confirming historical events. News people use it to confirm current events. That is not court. As far as extraordinary proof in concerned, I guess that a GPS trail showing my boat in the air and physical evidence on the keel of the boat which was pushed out of the craft off a ramp is not extraordinary. What do you consider proof?

The aliens are not as intelligent as you think they are, they obviously were not aware of GPS technology at the time I was abducted at least three times in 1999. That was most likely the last year I was abducted. They are camera shy, every time I was aboard with a camera they prevented me from using it. If you read on the subject as extensively I have you will learn that alien knowledge is spotty at best. They have little concept of how humans think and react. They certainly have us beat in space travel and some other technology.
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« Reply #457 on: Mar 6th, 2011, 7:17pm »

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The aliens are not as intelligent as you think they are, they obviously were not aware of GPS technology at the time I was abducted at least three times in 1999. That was most likely the last year I was abducted. They are camera shy, every time I was aboard with a camera they prevented me from using it. If you read on the subject as extensively I have you will learn that alien knowledge is spotty at best. They have little concept of how humans think and react. They certainly have us beat in space travel and some other technology.


They are advanced beyond anything on Earth can even consider. They have a real historical presence and no proof of them has ever been found or presented except to the individual. We would suggest that they are not to be underestimated whatever they appear to be to the individual.
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« Reply #458 on: Mar 6th, 2011, 8:04pm »

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I fully agree we should not underestimate them. I am just saying that they do not know everything. I do think that even though they are not now using weapons to take us over they are planning on becoming our leaders using stealth. I don't think they will be successful but they will probably make some headway. Hopefully I am wrong on what they are planning.
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« Reply #459 on: Mar 7th, 2011, 2:06pm »

I believe that some who have 'abduction' or 'contact' events are inded experiencing something.....the question is what?
Is it real objective space travelers, interdimensional beings, time travelers, projections from the human unconscious ala Jung, or ultraterrestrials from Keel's Superspectrum..?
My problem is with those who thinkthey already know the answer when they have nothing to even show they are correct except for anecdotal material.
Let's say maye it's space aliens or maybe dimensional beings rather than pretend anyone really knows for sure.
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« Reply #460 on: Mar 8th, 2011, 3:16pm »

I have been taken against my will on to alien space craft since early childhood. I know they are real as much as I know my parents were real.
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« Reply #461 on: Mar 8th, 2011, 4:17pm »

on Mar 6th, 2011, 08:02am, LEVIATHAN wrote:
Alien abduction or contactees are not proved in any form. The imagination used to think that a great revelation is coming about some alien agenda being revealed and the human race at last sitting down to discuss how it goes in the Universe with Aliens is absurd. A clever delusion may be provided some day for the public, but the real thing is not coming. Something may have come in the distant past, but humans appear to have lost this connection which must have been one sided at best.


Very well put. Humanity is on the verge of only one thing where any species more advanced than us is concerned. One could say we're about to take our final exams so to speak. Our technology has become advanced enough that we should have to prove ourselves wise enough to utilize this knowledge. If we pass muster, then we might be allowed to take a seat at the cosmic table, but not before.

On the other hand, fail and we will undoubtedly be torn down to try again. In my opinion, circumstantial evidence does exist to indicate that precisely this has happened at least one time before.

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on Mar 8th, 2011, 3:16pm, TheFlyingFisherman wrote:
I have been taken against my will on to alien space craft since early childhood. I know they are real as much as I know my parents were real.




IMHO those are the kind of comments which explain why many people don't take the ufo phenom seriously.


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on Mar 8th, 2011, 4:59pm, drwu23 wrote:
IMHO those are the kind of comments which explain why many people don't take the ufo phenom seriously.




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Just what kind of a comment should someone make if they believe, like FlyingFisherman, that they have been abducted? This is not something that should be held in ones own conscience if they believe that is has happened to them don't you think? How should someone tell their story?

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« Reply #464 on: Mar 8th, 2011, 7:22pm »

on Mar 8th, 2011, 5:55pm, LoneGunMan wrote:
Dr,
Just what kind of a comment should someone make if they believe, like FlyingFisherman, that they have been abducted? This is not something that should be held in ones own conscience if they believe that is has happened to them don't you think? How should someone tell their story?

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Especially when one stops to consider what we've learned about truths and brainwashing techniques from the MKULTRA experiments. If somebody has the memories, it really happened as far as they are concerned. While I can't address what my government was doing performing such experiments, I do realize the importance of things like this which we learned from them.
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