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« Reply #525 on: May 5th, 2015, 08:27am »

on May 5th, 2015, 07:19am, carolnistri wrote:
lets out big sigh...


A big sigh indeed....it's long past time that people put away superstitious beliefs and we grew up to face reality on adult terms. This is exactly the problem with the religious unrest and 'wars' raging in the middle east and elsewhere. Too many people are still living in the Middle Ages.
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« Reply #526 on: May 7th, 2015, 09:39am »

Dr.Wu you are in the minority,most people belive in God.You dont,you lack faith unless its proven to you.How sad.Youve put all the pieces of the puzzle together but you dont want to look at the finished product.Youve already figured out that there not Space brothers,but you dont want to look at the finished product.With all the books youve read on the subject you should have this all figured out by now.But you wont look at the finished product.
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« Reply #527 on: May 7th, 2015, 10:10am »

Carolnistri.

Why do you 'believe' in God ?

Surely not just because your parents indoctrinated you into your particular faith, or some preacher told you it is so .

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« Reply #528 on: May 7th, 2015, 11:29am »

on May 7th, 2015, 09:39am, carolnistri wrote:
Dr.Wu you are in the minority,most people belive in God.You dont,you lack faith unless its proven to you.How sad.Youve put all the pieces of the puzzle together but you dont want to look at the finished product.Youve already figured out that there not Space brothers,but you dont want to look at the finished product.With all the books youve read on the subject you should have this all figured out by now.But you wont look at the finished product.


So the fact that the 'majority' of people believe in 'God'
makes it a fact? Thats' pretty sad imho.
You need to quit equating aliens with pieces of any religious puzzle because you are a believer...that's simply wrong thinking, bad science, and fruitless . If one wants to believe in 'God' it should be a personal spiritual issue and a matter of faith..no more no less. Leave the other issues at the door before you enter the 'hall of faith'.
Your 'finished product' ,once again, is simply a belief system in your case due to how you were culturally raised believing in western Christian ideology. The fact you don't see this or understand it on an intellectual level is the problem in a nutshell when it comes to all faiths- Christian or not. People have simply not thought about it.

Let me enlighten you just a little. If you had been born in...India... you would probably be either a Hindu , a Moslem or perhaps a Sikh. My guess is you are some kind of Protestant so how do you deal with that hypothetical ?
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« Reply #529 on: May 7th, 2015, 11:36am »

on May 7th, 2015, 10:10am, INT21 wrote:
Why do you 'believe' in God ?

Surely not just because your parents indoctrinated you into your particular faith, or some preacher told you it is so .

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IMO that's exactly why she believes whether she is willing to admit or even understand that which is what I said in my post to her.
That's why almost all people believe in a particular religion...it's cultural...period.
I have only met a handful of people in my life who have bothered to investigate their 'faith' to try and understand what various religions believe and where that belief comes from and what it means.
Almost all of them have left their original religious faith and moved on to other 'beliefs' or none at all. But most people simply don't have the inner desire or drive or mental fortitude to learn and understand what's behind religion in all of it's forms or why it might be meaningful to them or not.
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« Reply #530 on: May 7th, 2015, 11:39am »

BTW,,,both this thread and the other on ufos vs demons have strayed into a religious discussion and I think that was not the intention. If people want to get into this on a deeper level let;s start a religion thread.

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« Reply #531 on: Jun 23rd, 2015, 12:56pm »

Chutney,

...Only asking because i've been trying to think of ways to prove abductions enough so all the Saucer-Deniers will stop making accusations of mental illness first and actually investigating later...

You are mixing things up.

There are not many saucer (or other shaped 'objects') denies on this site. Most are here because they have seen something they can't explain.

Surely you can see that the abduction of people is a separate stage in the field.

We can't even provide objective proof that UFO per se exist.

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« Reply #532 on: Jun 23rd, 2015, 1:01pm »

Drwu,

Very hard to see how you can discuss this without invoking either the paranormal or religion.

The only two fields we cannot investigate scientifically are the ones where we may find some connection.
There is no objective way to investigate either.


On today's news (you can check this via BBC News website) a man has been confined to a psychiatric unit for life after he beheaded an old lady. He claimed he was killing demons. He was found not guilty of murder through insanity because of this belief.

One has to wonder what would have happened if he had claimed to be killing aliens.

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« Reply #533 on: Jun 23rd, 2015, 1:45pm »

Chutney,

I'm quite aware of what your question was, But I wasn't attempting to answer it. I was pointing out that you make an unfair comparison between people who have seen something they can't explain (including myself) and people who claim alien abduction. And I was pointing out that we have no way of proving either exist.

As for the GPS idea. Fine.

But how are you going to get every one to wear such a device ?

There is already an application that allows people to track someone via their mobile phone.

Do you suggest that we all subscribe to that ; or just the ones who claim abductions as they would seem to be the ones most likely to be repeaters ?

And is not a checking to ensure your tracking device is turned on every moment of the day verging on paranoia ?|

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« Reply #534 on: Jun 23rd, 2015, 1:50pm »

HAL,

TO WIT:

" checking to ensure your tracking device is turned on every moment of the day verging on paranoia"

ACCORDING TO THE SNOWDEN REVELATION ~ "verging on paranoia" ~ ONE MIGHT CONCLUDE IT TO BE HEALTHY SKEPTICISM!

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« Reply #535 on: Jun 23rd, 2015, 2:05pm »

ZETAR,

Slightly off topic this, but relevant to your last post. Chutney you can ignore this bit.

Yes, Mr Snowden. The bleeding heart who screwed up the world's security.

Back in WWII we had a huge advantage over the Germans when we managed to crack a number of their codes.
The most important thing we did was not to let them know we had done it. 'cause if we had done they would have thought up new ones and people would have died while we did the code breaking all over again.

Now, it has recently come to light that, using the stuff Snowden gave them, the Russians and the Chinese have managed to crack some of out important codes. And operative have had to be moved out of these places. So we no longer have eyes and ears there.

The first thing that happened when all the people who had anything to lose found out about Snowden's revelation was that they all stopped using relatively easy encryption and moved onto things like TOR.

So now we can't follow them as easily.

He may as well book his place in a Russian grave yard as he will no doubt soon need it.

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« Reply #536 on: Jun 23rd, 2015, 4:52pm »

HAL,

TO WIT:

"Back in WWII" ~ I'M FAMILIAR grin

U505 SHORTLEY AFTER BEING CAPTURED...

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"Yes, Mr Snowden. The bleeding heart who screwed up the world's security." THAT DEPENDS ON WHO/WHOM HAS BEEN SCREWED.

I GET THE NATIONAL/INTERNATIONAL IMPLICATIONS ~ ALONG WITH THE VAST AMOUNTS OF $$$ ~ POLITICAL CAPITAL ~ EXPENDED ~ TEMPERED WITH THOSE WHOM CREATED THE ILLUSIONS WERE DISILLUSIONED ~ YEAH I GET THAT!

THERE ARE OTHER CONSIDERATIONS ~ IN LIEU OF A LESS THAN ZEALOUS MEDIA ~ IT SEEMS AS SNOWDEN WAS A RESULT OF THE AFOREMENTIONED ~ I GET HIS POSITION AS WELL ~ cool

COULD IT HAVE BEEN HANDLED BETTER ~ WHY ~ I THINK IT WAS BOTCHED ~ BUT THEN AGAIN ~ THOSE INTER-AGENCY RIVALRIES ~ ALWAYS HAVE BLOW BACK grin

MY NEXT POINT ~ AS YOU STATED "Back in WWII we had a huge advantage over the Germans when we managed to crack a number of their codes."

NOT SURE WHERE CONGRESS HAS DECLARED WAR ON THE AMERICAN PEOPLE grin

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« Reply #537 on: Jun 23rd, 2015, 4:59pm »

I was gonna say patent it but a really small one already exists, a slightly smaller one would fit inside my S O S Talisman
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« Reply #538 on: Jun 23rd, 2015, 6:37pm »

Yes I remember them commenting on a necklace. It was crystal cut in such a way that when looking at it from the flat faced side it looked like a rainbow spiral.
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on Jun 23rd, 2015, 4:52pm, ZETAR wrote:
NOT SURE WHERE CONGRESS HAS DECLARED WAR ON THE AMERICAN PEOPLE grin


Re Snowden...

http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=announcements&&num=1370809845&&start=1463#97
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