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« Thread started on: Jul 29th, 2007, 9:41pm »

With the drones front and center, the first logical question is why are they here? That's followed immediately by - are their intentions good or bad? People look at the big Basin craft, the one that's been labeled as "sinister", and they start to get a little nervous. I thought this might be a good time to start a thread where we can discuss our response should this prove to be the real deal.

I'm not a Pollyanna. I do understand that there are bad aliens, just as there are bad humans. Throughout history you'll find people who have committed horrible acts - as individuals and in large groups. Aliens aren't better - more advanced technologically, that's been demonstrated - but not better. Different. There are many races and cultures of humans, so it would be shocking to find that there was only one type of ET. I've no doubt that people have been confronted by negative beings. My heart goes out to them. I don't know why they were singled out, we may never know. But having said that, this is their life path and not mine. I have only my own experiences to share. Thus far, I have not felt threatened or manipulated. Could I be a victim of trickery? Absolutely. However, my life has not shown a penchant for the destructive, quite the contrary. So in the end, if I am being influenced by anything outside of myself ( and personally I think it's a facet of myself and not alien in nature), then it's been a positive thing.

Why do ET's have to be either GOOD or EVIL? Saviors or conquerors? We give human beings far more leeway. How is it that we're so confident in our ability to make moral assessments that we feel free to apply our own standards - which are different in every culture - to other life forms? And, to judge by these standards?

I don't think, regardless of who or what these visitors are, that they are going to rescue us or eat us. I don't think the choice is as simple as Savior or Iron Chief. These are human labels. What I am discovering, is that people seem far more intrigued (and dare I say accepting) of the evil alien persona. Maybe some of this is media inspired, although "ET" and "Close Encounters" were certainly hopeful movies. It's almost as though anything short of a hostile invasion would be anticlimactic to many. In a sense we've been trained to think this way through generations of B Sci Fi movies and Mars Invades! comic books. Maybe this scenario is just more exciting, I don't know. It just seems that if you give ET the benefit of the doubt you're considered too naive to "know better". If we do contribute to our own reality, this thought is very disconcerting.

Good people can do "bad" things. It happens every day. Why hold an alien life form to a higher standard? Flying saucers don't equal spiritual enlightenment, just better hardware. Some examples are given to illustrate evil intent - cattle mutilation, for one. How can they be good when they (maybe) do that to cows? A confession - I have personally eaten mutilated cattle, many, many, times. McDonald's and Burger King depend on this habit of ours. If anyone thinks the slaughterhouse is a wonderful place of "ascension" for the poor cows they're kidding themselves. What about mutilated frogs, cows, rats, and mounted butterflies? Thousands of High School freshman are guilty of those violations. Got a deer head mounted on your wall? Abduction of humans for study - OK, then, let's open all the zoos and stop all funding of animal research. No more tranquilizing and tagging of lions, seals, and anything else that slinks, runs or flys. Bottom line - we don't know why humans are taken (and, not all humans have the same encounter experiences).

I was thinking about how much our perspective (and all that determines it) contributes to an abduction experience. This is important because abductees are our only source of first hand information regarding alien behavior.

For instance, how would my dog, Max, interpret a trip to the Veterinarian?

One minute he's lying on the couch napping, and the next minute an odd looking two legged being is leading him into a big metal box. Suddenly, this box is moving, speeding along, much faster than he could ever run. When it stops, the being brings him into a bright white room, the floor is made of some strange, cool material that he slides on as he walks. There are other tall beings there, watching him. They take him into a small room with a metal table. The "leader" - or this is what the being feels like to him - puts him up on the table. He's shaking, uncertain, not understanding what's happening to him. Why can't they hear him - he's thinking right at them! Ouch! something cold and hard is put into his rectum - this is awful!!!! He yelps, something pointy touches his ears, first one than the other. A blinding white light pierces his eyes - what is happening! A sharp object punctures his front paw, drawing blood. He wants to escape but he can't.

You get the picture here. While I'm there to comfort him, trying to convey warmth and love, I'm sure that his over riding emotion is one of fear.

Max has lots of allergies - typical in Springers - recurrent ear and skin outbreaks. We make our trips to the Vet for cultures, blood work and antibiotics a few times a year. It never gets any easier or pleasant for either of us. This is something I have to subject him to in order to be a good "master" and to keep him healthy. Of course, he doesn't understand this. HE DOESN'T UNDERSTAND THIS. That's the clincher - it's beyond his range of comprehension. He knows sticks, and tennis balls, and his favorite pee spots. He knows that scratching his ears feels good and that if he hangs around the dinner table long enough something good will fall! But, what if he could understand the trip to the Vet? This entire experience, while no more pleasant, would at least not be so frightening. Of course, this is a simplification and I'm not saying that this is the relationship that we have with ET's. But, it is another way to look at it. It's the best analogy I can come up with.

To believe that there are only bad aliens in the universe, or at least that these are the only ones we've been exposed to, is to believe that God has given up on us. I'm not ready to do that. To believe that there are only good aliens is at best naive and at worst, dangerous. The jury is still out in both instances. Since our reaction to them - when we at last come face to face - will no doubt impact their response. For the sake of everyone involved, let's base our reaction on facts and not on fantasy. But, that's the hard part. What are the facts? This is where we depend on each other to share our experiences, and to help each other to understand what we personally know as truth.

It's a place to start on what is sure to be a very step learning curve!
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« Reply #1 on: Jul 29th, 2007, 10:13pm »


I don't know when a posting has given me such an experience of putting the shoe on the other foot.

Mark, you have a gift of gab.

I think you're right. They good and bad and everything in between.

We have to STOP HAVING EXPECTATIONS, and merely experience our Experience. After a while we can come to some judgments.

But the real fact is :: this Coverment is coming between us and our experiences. This Coverment is secretive, dishonest and deceitful.

That slows us down in the Judgments Department.

: ) ~*~Shech--

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« Reply #2 on: Jul 29th, 2007, 10:18pm »

That is a very good post Mark. I had several thoughts running through my mind when I was reading it.
I thought about the fact that some of our tagging animals is to record the losses of species. Humans tag animals to sometimes try to prevent their extinction. We sometimes pick them up and move them to what we consider safer places for them to live and survive. As you mentioned the dog's trip to the vet, these animals do not understand that we are trying to help them to continue as a species. They only can see the activity taking place at the moment. I wonder if it is something similar they may think they are here doing when they take people?
Not to say that abductions should be happening at all. I think many abductees have been put through horrible experiences.
I think that looking for the aliens to be only either saviors or invaders is wrong as well, but think about history. People who have not been exposed to a group of beings who are advanced technologically would tend to put them in one of those categories. Whichever we try to lock them into, we would probably find ourselves disappointed by the reality that would come later. The reality that they are simply different and not necessarily better. Not necessarily here to save or destroy.
But we humans tend to catalog things into what we know best...either they are totally good and here to save us, or totally bad and here to destroy or eat us.
Those responses come mostly from the fear of the unknown.
It may turn out that they would just be here to be here. Maybe they are curious, or maybe they realized we were here and they too are a bit fearful of the unknown.
For now, we can only use our individual experiences to decide what we think they will be here for. But we are still just guessing.
This is one step in our history we may simply need to take a step at a time and decide as we gain more information.
Just my opinion....we have a ton to learn along our way.
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« Reply #3 on: Jul 29th, 2007, 11:20pm »

Emily I totally agree - the Governments denial of ET contact is not only criminal but very dangerous. By denying us the truth they deny us the ability to prepare. They are not "protecting" us by keeping us in the dark. I think people will eventually come to terms with whatever disclosure brings. I'd rather deal with my fear than live in ignorance.

Linda, you're right, and that's very sad - "primitive" civilizations have been wiped out by their more "advanced" brothers. I can only hope that at least some of the ET races have gotten beyond that.
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« Reply #4 on: Jul 29th, 2007, 11:38pm »

on Jul 29th, 2007, 9:41pm, MarkM wrote:
With the drones front and center, the first logical question is why are they here?


That is a tough question and only one of speculation since we don't know the answer. I really wonder if the government knows the answer. Have they communicated to our government? Have they signed pacts or agreements?

I think possibly they are here because this is one of the life stations in the universe. We have WATER. Life-giving water. We have TONS of life on this planet. Certainly it is an extremely diversified planet full of billions of life forms. Even our own scientists have yet to study every creature on this earth. Discovery. Scientific discovery and exploration. If we were traveling through space and saw a planet with life, I am sure we would send our team of scientists to study all of their life forms. It's just our nature to want to learn, and probably their nature too. Curiosity. I sure would be curious to know how other planets life-forms lived their daily lives and to be able to study them, one would have to do it from "afar" as to not interfere. Maybe they have a "Star Trek" type of code of honor to not disturb the culture of the planets they visit -- this could explain the secrecy.

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That's followed immediately by - are their intentions good or bad?


Like you said, there are good and bad in everyone and I am sure in every life form. I truly pray that they are here for good and not evil. I wouldn't put it past any society of beings to conquer new territory though without a thought as to what they do to the people that were living there already. (can you say America?) If they wanted new land, a new home, new resources and "income," food supply.... why not just go in and take it. Maybe they will set aside some "land reservations" for us to live on out of pity after they take over.

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But... you might look cute in pigtails.


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Why do ET's have to be either GOOD or EVIL?


Because that is not just us setting over them a judgement based on human experiences, that is a universal truth, of good and evil. light and dark.

How will we respond to the aliens? Hopefully with mutual respect and unconditional love. Hopefully we can tap into information and resources and have mutually beneficial relationships.

If they are evil and here to destroy us, I pray we have learned enough about their technology in order to defend ourselves as a planet. And, I am trusting in God for safety.

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Flying saucers don't equal spiritual enlightenment, just better hardware.


No, it doesn't. And, it is amazing how everyone and their grandma has a website with some kind of theory of how God is involved, or its the Mayan civilization or illuminati, and the list goes on and on and on. Some think they are fallen angels, some think they are the nephelim, I am not sure... but I know this. God created the world and all that is in it. (unless you are talking about clones, that would be something that God did not create and that would make me believe that their creators are NOT benevolent)

My own personal belief is that God put the building blocks to life on every planet and watched it evolve. At the point that "life" began to acknowledge their creator, he was able to breathe his spirit into them and reveal their purpose and show them a way to eternal life. I often wonder how it all fits together, but I am not going to believe anything I read on the internet. I will continue to pray and seek God for understanding.

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This is something I have to subject him (dog) to in order to be a good "master" and to keep him healthy. Of course, he doesn't understand this.


The difference between your dog and us, is that you OWN your dog. The aliens don't OWN us. They have no RIGHT to take us to the "vet."

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To believe that there are only bad aliens in the universe, or at least that these are the only ones we've been exposed to, is to believe that God has given up on us. I'm not ready to do that.


God has not given up on us, he loves us very much. He made a plan for us to receive eternal life through Christ after the fall of man into sin. Surely there are good and evil aliens. I often wonder if he made a similar plan for other life forms he created to be saved from their sins. Hopefully on some planets, they never chose the path of sin and evil.

My son will argue with me that studying about UFO's and aliens will lead me (and a lot of people) away from God and into the realm of the paranormal. True as that is for most. I am pressing into the realm of learning that will lead me to truth in God.

Certainly a race that is intellectually advanced, can travel through space, and can make crop circles with advanced geometry and seemingly know the answers to the universe. To me, they seem to bring more glory to God than our dismal existence on this planet. God is complex, and amazing at everything he created, and the genius of the universe and of life. But as complex as God is, his character is also simple... a simple message of love and relationship. Father and child embracing -- the very reason of creation. What I have learned about God is that if we just accept his simple message and the relationship, THAT brings more glory to him than all of the knowledge of the entire universe.

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« Reply #5 on: Jul 29th, 2007, 11:57pm »

on Jul 29th, 2007, 11:38pm, castles4me wrote:
But... you might look cute in pigtails.


Oh, if only I had enough hair laugh!

on Jul 29th, 2007, 11:38pm, castles4me wrote:
The difference between your dog and us, is that you OWN your dog. The aliens don't OWN us. They have no RIGHT to take us to the "vet."


I agree, as I said, it was the best analogy I could come up with.

We don't really know what relationship we might have with ET. I remember reading "Communion" and there was a part where Whitley was being subjected to tests and he screamed at them "You have no right to do this to me!", and the ET said (telepathically) "We have every right." I've always wondered what was meant by that. It kind of haunts me. It almost implies a symbiotic relationship. Are they responsible for us? Are we somehow interdependent? So many questions.

Has anyone ever had any dreams or visions of a black box about the size of a shoebox, no seams or apparent way to open it?
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on Jul 29th, 2007, 11:57pm, MarkM wrote:
Are they responsible for us? Are we somehow interdependent?


I sure hope not. I am certainly not going to put my faith and trust in that, or my fear. My hope is in God and him only.
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« Reply #7 on: Jul 30th, 2007, 10:02am »

Faith will be very important in the days ahead. The universe is such an astounding place and everything in it is miraculous when you stop and think about. Difficult to believe that this all came about by random chance or accident!

I was thinking last night about your comment about us "owning" our pets and also about Linda's observations about protecting endangered species, etc.

I believe that animals have souls. They certainly have intelligence, personality and emotions - so is it really possible to "own" another life form? Since these "lesser" creatures were doing just fine (and some might argue better) before we interceded in there environment, they didn't need humans to exist. We, as the more advanced species, were the ones who decided which animals would be used to feed us, which we would use for our amusement, which ones would be workers, and which ones would share our homes. As Emily pointed out - the more advanced human cultures did this same thing to the more primitive cultures throughout history. It seems to be the MO. What does this tell us - specifically about what we might expect from ET?

So far, unlike human conquerers, they have not interfered with our society. This leads me to think that their interest is something very different - probably something outside the realm of anything that we've even contemplated!
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So far, unlike human conquerers, they have not interfered with our society. This leads me to think that their interest is something very different - probably something outside the ream of anything that we've even contemplated!


Right... if they have been around all of these hundreds or thousands of years or more.... why wait to destroy us? They could have destroyed us when we didn't have any weapons. Why wait until we were more advanced and had rockets and nuclear weaponry? If they wanted to wipe us out, they already would have.
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« Reply #9 on: Jul 30th, 2007, 10:46am »

Just wanted to throw a little monkey wrench into our passive thinking here. It is just the way my warped mind works sometimes, but I like to question:
What if we shot down or caused the crash of something that belonged to them? And what if we still have something that is of value to them? Maybe they are advanced, and maybe not advanced in all areas, could they be searching for information about where that something might be?
Just my little mind meandering around all sides. wink
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« Reply #10 on: Jul 30th, 2007, 11:04am »

on Jul 30th, 2007, 10:46am, creolelady wrote:
What if we shot down or caused the crash of something that belonged to them? And what if we still have something that is of value to them? Maybe they are advanced, and maybe not advanced in all areas, could they be searching for information about where that something might be?
Just my little mind meandering around all sides. wink


Like they have a "no man left behind" policy?
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« Reply #11 on: Jul 30th, 2007, 11:07am »

That's what I was thinking.

Just one of those "what ifs."
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on Jul 30th, 2007, 10:46am, creolelady wrote:
Just wanted to throw a little monkey wrench into our passive thinking here. It is just the way my warped mind works sometimes, but I like to question:

What if we shot down or caused the crash of something that belonged to them?
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Hmmm. Wonder if that's how the first abductee's anal probe came about?

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« Reply #13 on: Jul 30th, 2007, 11:21am »

Punitive Colonoscopy?!!! OUCH embarassed!
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« Reply #14 on: Jul 30th, 2007, 11:25am »

Oh, let's not go there!
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