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« Reply #15 on: Aug 30th, 2012, 11:03am »

on Aug 30th, 2012, 02:05am, touched-Cliff wrote:
Thanks again for your time purr ! Some of your questions have helped me to think about things I hadn't thought of before.

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You're welcome of course, I appreciate the informative account and the refreshing openness with which you answered questions. I admit to grilling you some, and obviously you can handle it.

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« Reply #16 on: Aug 30th, 2012, 1:24pm »

Regarding the whole "calling upon the name of Jesus" angle in order to allegedly stop an abduction in progress: well-known abduction researcher Dr. David M. Jacobs has stated that, despite perceptions and reports to the contrary, this does not actually seem to occur (or to work).

In his own experience with abductees, he reports cases in which, at the onset of an abduction event, the abductee began to pray, or invoked the name of God or Jesus, in hopes of aborting the imminent abduction. Upon doing so, in some cases, the event indeed seemed to the abductee to promptly terminate.

However, according to Jacobs, deeper hypnotic probing subsequently revealed in such cases that the abduction actually proceeded without interruption. The rest of the event had simply been repressed from memory -- even deeper than its onset (and its conclusion) -- and took greater effort to retrieve.

In other words, the abductee at first remembered only the beginning of the event (including their own calling out for divine aid), together with the end of the event (the aliens departing, post-abduction). The middle part (the actual abduction event itself) had been even more deeply suppressed from memory, leaving the impression that it had not occurred at all.

In actuality, says Jacobs, the complete abduction event had in fact occurred -- its details now restored to memory by more intensive hypnotic induction -- but since the abductee had at first recalled only its onset and its conclusion, these two bookends were effectively spliced together in memory, leaving the erroneous impression that calling upon Jesus or God had caused the alien abductors to vanish. (In fact, they were leaving because they had by then already successfully completed the abduction.)

Ordinary human abductors, kidnappers, rapists, murderers, and other sorts of attackers are seldom stopped in their tracks by invoking the names of divinities; why should assaults by extraterrestrial or interdimensional attackers be any different?
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« Reply #17 on: Aug 30th, 2012, 3:22pm »

on Aug 30th, 2012, 10:48am, purr wrote:
Are adherents of Agnosticism even alllowed to say stuff like "Sure as Hell" smiley , Wu? (How sure of hell could you be??) But you pose an intriguing question, any reaction (like breaking off an abduction) to earthly names of deities suggests that alien/entity's familiarity or even a relationship of sorts with the deity invoked...


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Exactly...if an alien biological race is afraid of an earth named deity then we need to reevaluate who and what these 'aliens' are.


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« Reply #18 on: Aug 30th, 2012, 9:41pm »

Enigmatic, With all do respect anything learned under hypnosis is suspect. Anything learned under intense hypnosis is fantasy.
Studies of the human memory have now proven that the memory is not like a movie camera. That old idea that our every experience is recorded somewhere is wrong. What is in our memory is closer to the snapshots we bring back from a vacation. A random view of the high points of our lives. No amount of effort by the brain can recover something that isn't there. But the brain when trying to fill in the gaps is perfectly willing to create memories that fill out some type of story. And in the case of hypnosis the story the hypnotist wants to find will be what's found.
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« Reply #19 on: Sep 2nd, 2012, 12:02pm »

Hello and welcome, touched - Cliff.

From what I've heard the Greys are telepathic which allegedly also includes empathy to some extent. In your case it simply might have been that they sensed that you wanted them to stop and leave so they either left or simply put you back to sleep so that you won't get aware of what's going on anymore and they can do their job. I rather doubt that it has anything to do with Jesus, God or that they are some kind of demon. You possibly could have called any deity in order to make them stop as long as they sensed your will. It's another question if they would have respected that.
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« Reply #20 on: Sep 3rd, 2012, 1:19pm »

Hello touched,
I am interested in the part of your story where you felt that your visitors had come for information about a past friend. have you tried to contact him or find out what his profession is?
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« Reply #21 on: Sep 4th, 2012, 9:52pm »

Did I ask a stupid or inappropriate question?
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« Reply #22 on: Sep 4th, 2012, 10:03pm »

O.k. then, never mind.
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« Reply #23 on: Sep 5th, 2012, 01:46am »

on Sep 4th, 2012, 9:52pm, backlit wrote:
Did I ask a stupid or inappropriate question?


No, I'd say that's a smart question, but I noticed Cliff takes some off days between responding, maybe he'll come back and address it.


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« Reply #24 on: Sep 5th, 2012, 05:27am »

on Aug 30th, 2012, 3:22pm, drwu23 wrote:
I'm allowed to say anything I like....I'm dr wu.....you should know that by now. grin

Exactly...if an alien biological race is afraid of an earth named deity then we need to reevaluate who and what these 'aliens' are.




Hi Dr. Wu. grin

Yeah, I'm almost positive they're aliens.
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« Reply #25 on: Sep 5th, 2012, 05:39am »

on Aug 30th, 2012, 1:24pm, enigmatic wrote:
Regarding the whole "calling upon the name of Jesus" angle in order to allegedly stop an abduction in progress: well-known abduction researcher Dr. David M. Jacobs has stated that, despite perceptions and reports to the contrary, this does not actually seem to occur (or to work).

In his own experience with abductees, he reports cases in which, at the onset of an abduction event, the abductee began to pray, or invoked the name of God or Jesus, in hopes of aborting the imminent abduction. Upon doing so, in some cases, the event indeed seemed to the abductee to promptly terminate.

However, according to Jacobs, deeper hypnotic probing subsequently revealed in such cases that the abduction actually proceeded without interruption. The rest of the event had simply been repressed from memory -- even deeper than its onset (and its conclusion) -- and took greater effort to retrieve.

In other words, the abductee at first remembered only the beginning of the event (including their own calling out for divine aid), together with the end of the event (the aliens departing, post-abduction). The middle part (the actual abduction event itself) had been even more deeply suppressed from memory, leaving the impression that it had not occurred at all.

In actuality, says Jacobs, the complete abduction event had in fact occurred -- its details now restored to memory by more intensive hypnotic induction -- but since the abductee had at first recalled only its onset and its conclusion, these two bookends were effectively spliced together in memory, leaving the erroneous impression that calling upon Jesus or God had caused the alien abductors to vanish. (In fact, they were leaving because they had by then already successfully completed the abduction.)

Ordinary human abductors, kidnappers, rapists, murderers, and other sorts of attackers are seldom stopped in their tracks by invoking the names of divinities; why should assaults by extraterrestrial or interdimensional attackers be any different?


Thanks for this info enigmatic. I've been interested in Dr. Jacobs since I first read about him. Hypnosis is a grey area. I agree with Skizicks about what he said. I have heard both good and bad about it. If it helps abductees to cope, I see nothing wrong with that however. I may consider it in the future but it's not something I'm ready for yet. At this time I don't think I could honestly handle knowing more of what happened.

This is a much harder thing to deal with than what people know and there is so much unknown about this phenomena that I really don't know if there is a true answer yet of how to even deal with it.

The way I see it as far as hypnosis at least in this case is this ; Since I was already knocked out and my eyes were most likely closed ( I remember struggling to open them back up ),what is it that I'm going to see or remember anyway ? undecided

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« Reply #26 on: Sep 5th, 2012, 05:46am »

on Sep 2nd, 2012, 12:02pm, philliman wrote:
Hello and welcome, touched - Cliff.

From what I've heard the Greys are telepathic which allegedly also includes empathy to some extent. In your case it simply might have been that they sensed that you wanted them to stop and leave so they either left or simply put you back to sleep so that you won't get aware of what's going on anymore and they can do their job. I rather doubt that it has anything to do with Jesus, God or that they are some kind of demon. You possibly could have called any deity in order to make them stop as long as they sensed your will. It's another question if they would have respected that.


I appreciate the welcome philliman and I agree. There is something that grabbed the entities attention however and it seemed it had heard this before. I don't know if it was surprised because I had come to again or if it was just the power in His name. I just don't know. If they ever do come back, I'm going to repeat it, it's worth a try.

Good to meet you !
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« Reply #27 on: Sep 5th, 2012, 05:53am »

on Sep 3rd, 2012, 1:19pm, backlit wrote:
Hello touched,
I am interested in the part of your story where you felt that your visitors had come for information about a past friend. have you tried to contact him or find out what his profession is?


I looked up his last name in a yearbook that I had stored away. I knew his first name but this was back in second grade and I'm now 45. I had just become friend's with him when the accident happened.

I have thought about contacting him but I really don't know what to say. I may try through facebook and see what develops from there.

I apologize for not getting here sooner. Life gets hectic at times.
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« Reply #28 on: Sep 5th, 2012, 06:12am »

I hope this is the appropriate place to put this as I'm trying to keep it all combined together so it isn't spread out across the forum.

About 7 years ago I was out fishing with a guy who is the father of 2 of my grandchildren. We use to go almost every night and have not been out since this happened.

I remember the night but not the year. It was august 12th. Every year as an amateur astronomer I watch the Perseid meteor shower on this night.

We had been fishing for several hours and when the constellations of Cassiopeia and Perseus rose up high enough up in the sky I pointed over to Ray to look at where to watch for the meteor's.

No sooner than I had showed him the location an object came out of space in the upper atmosphere and quickly sped down to the lower atmosphere at a right angle. It then zig zagged left to right several times and then went back into space from the point of origin from where it came from.

I asked "did you see that ?" He replied that he did and we both immediately got up and loaded the poles and tackle. I have studied astronomy for 35 years and have never seen anything display this type of behavior and I find it impossible to be a man made object. I do not believe we have this technology yet Imo. Like I said, we have never gone back.

There is at least one other sighting I cannot explain. I'll try to post soon.

I need to correct something :

The 2 paranormal sightings happened vice versa. The (ghost) visit which happened ( I suspect may have been my dad ) happened second. I was still with my 1st ex when the 1st encounter happened where I had heard my name called and couldn't figure out who asked it.

Cliff

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« Reply #29 on: Sep 5th, 2012, 11:39am »

on Sep 5th, 2012, 05:27am, touched-Cliff wrote:
Hi Dr. Wu. grin

Yeah, I'm almost positive they're aliens.


Based on what exactly..? Your personal belief or actual evidence? What can you bring to the table that would convince us of that?
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