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« Reply #135 on: Feb 4th, 2014, 11:01pm »

on Feb 4th, 2014, 6:43pm, freyasday wrote:
I see from the opening post of this topic that David M Jacobs is being criticized as not being a good scientist. Does this also mean that he is not an appropriate researcher for questioning individuals to confide in if their particular anomalous tales bear only a minimal similarity to his descriptions of abductees/abduction at www.ufoabduction.com ?


Hypnotic regression to 'recover' alleged 'abduction' memories has been a suspect tool from day one and many ufologists have written and talked about this including Dr Vallee one of the most informed and experienced ufo researchers still with us.
Dr Jacobs is not a scientist, nor a forensic expert, nor an expert in hypnosis. He is an historian from Temple University. His associate Budd Hopkins , now deceased, was an abstract artist from New York and also not an expert in hypnosis nor any type of forensic investigation or scientific background.
From what I have read over the last few years the problem lies in the fact they they had an agenda being believers in the abduction phenomenon and were simply not qualified regarding scientific methodology and used suspect techniques to gather their data. In other words it was biased data and anecdotal.
That does not mean they are/were unintelligent people but their methods were flawed. This is what Carol Rainey and others have said for some time now. Again this does not mean there might not be something to the 'abduction phenomenon' but that their data ,results, and conclusions are suspect.
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« Reply #136 on: Feb 5th, 2014, 12:11pm »

Hi, freyasday -

Thanks for checking out the posts. Thanks, too, for letting me know what you thought about them.

I would agree with you that Jacobs and his public personality should not be accepted without questioning motives. I would most definitely say similar for his unsubstantiated claims, in that they should not be accepted at all, much less without questioning them greatly.

I would also agree with drwu23 in that we should not lose sight of the fact Jacobs is not a scientist at all; he is a now retired history professor claiming - falsely, I might add - to respect and follow scientific procedures. Most relevant point.

As for where an abductee should seek competent, qualified support, I would say they should first identify specifically what type of support they are seeking. Does the individual want professional emotional support? ...or are they seeking a thorough investigation of their reported circumstances? I encourage identifying the answers to such questions because they are entirely different types of services.

If emotional support and healing traumatic, disturbing memories is sought, I would invite consideration of seeing a mental health professional. I would also encourage such an individual to ask questions of the potential counselor before committing to schedule an appointment; ask how they feel about the UFO subject, ask if they are open to hearing distress related to the topic and similar such questions. A potential therapy client is entitled to do so, not entirely unlike how one might ask questions before hiring any kind of service provider to undertake work for them. A potential client is also entirely entitled to ask about sliding scale payments if concerned about costs, as such options are often available.

If an investigation of circumstances is desired, many more challenges arise than if seeking emotional healing and support. That is because there is often little to investigate in addition to witness testimony, and the events in question are often in the distant past. Even when this is not the case, substantial financial resources might be required, as well as specific expertise, to examine alleged implants, take xrays, conduct DNA analysis and similar possible avenues of research. That being the case, if I was to undertake such an investigation, I would network among UFO circles and privately enroll the help of specific, credentialed and trusted professionals.

I hope that is helpful. Sincere best wishes.
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« Reply #137 on: Feb 6th, 2014, 12:46am »

on Feb 4th, 2014, 02:51am, hyundisonata wrote:
I just love how everyone assumes abductees are all dumbcluckies like me who apparently do not have a clue; truth is abductees clearly come from all walks of life from police, military, science and yes even doctors’ nurses and the dreaded psychiatrist. Only problem is that such information is hidden on sites such as this due to every one being anonymous unless like Greer cashing in on the subject, there are groups for near every complaint and most get support from government i.e. NHS UK and as the abductee trauma has been around a lot longer than the internet then why has there never been any real help available, why is it ignored by the doctrine you so strongly support apart from them claiming it is mental health issues. Could it be because it is not a mental health issue that if investigated by these trained personnel expose it as a reality, yes the trauma that same as most aftermath problems that victims of crime suffer needs addressing in the manner you portray but the cause unlike murder rape etc is left a blank space when it comes to ET this indicates they are treating the cause as mental illness and not as a physical crime against the person, so no matter how much importance the need for such is shouted , until the cause is accepted as a reality and a crime it is a pointless exercise.


BINGO!

I love how "everyone" continually tries to discredit Hopkins and Jacobs, just because they were not clinically trained scientists, and wanting everyone to believe that every patient they worked with made completely false statements! Hundreds and hundreds of patients: none of them abducted, they were simply victims of the Artist and the Historian!

I also love how people fail to bring up the UFO "darling" Researcher John Mack was also NOT clinically trained, yet somehow managed to come up with very similar results, in his hypnosis sessions!

I also love how people fail to bring up the many clinically trained researchers, who have come up with very similar results in their hypnosis sessions!

I also love how people like to only bring up things that support their position while leaving out the things that detract from it!

I also love how these detractors ignore or criticize abductees as being liars, mentally ill, our made to believe they were abducted by some unclinically trained crack pot.

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« Reply #138 on: Feb 6th, 2014, 01:34am »

Reading Freyasdays post was interesting, over the years I have talked with quite a few people claiming abduction and most have been in the sleeping hours. When listening to their stories I have found that as in Freys story they never left their bed even though they believe they had. as in Frey’s story ET in a visitation manipulates the mind so if ET wants you to believe your sitting on a snow covered mountain then you will believe it really happened but in reality your still tucked up in bed only you have this alien standing next to you. I see two scenarios that are happening, visitation in your home and abduction when in active hours and as we see in Frey’s story she or he as no real information given is experiencing both scenarios, I myself have only experienced abduction but others I have spoken with understand they where still in bed and if it was not for their partner confirming the alien presence they would have doubted the experience and looked upon it as a dream or abduction as they appeared to leave their home. How ET manages to come and go I can only speculate due to the damage caused when such a visitation had gone wrong for ET and that footprint still exists intact to this day, as for the manipulation of the mind I have experienced such and it is scary when you dissect it after the incident and realize how easily they can take over your mind even at a distance and in my case I would estimate at least fifty yards from them when it started which is some feat not to be taken lightly.
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Couldn’t agree more Mythos and I would like this form of abduction entered into the law books along with all the other criminal laws that exist then maybe it will be taken seriously and investigated properly.
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« Reply #139 on: Feb 6th, 2014, 04:13am »

Jjflash, kudos on a long and informative thread here! I agree on the need for any therapist dealing with alien abductees to have proper credentials, be it in Psychology or Psychiatry. (Because of the likelyhood part of this experience entails serious psychological trauma.)

My addition is that such professional health care provider / doctor also must have some background, no 'credential' but of a demonstrated interest/affinity with the abduction experience* and with the enigma of extraterrestrial visitors. To prevent giving the impression he/she is only looking for a possible diagnosis of psychopathology.

Simply, imo a good abduction therapist must be prepared to deal with both an emerging mental disorder/psychosis, and with a classical alien abduction experience. Actually also with a combination of both, because the real deal is bound to mess up abductees' life some.

[*) Not because there's a known Alien Abduction Disorder, or UFOlogy is a scientific field, but on the grounds patients/clients present themselves with an unusual/rare experience. There are non-abduction precedents for such special focus, for instance patients reporting pre- and perinatal (relating to being in the womb and getting born) memories, conscious and extremely painful memories of surgical procedures where anesthesia failed, and accounts of a Near Death Experience.]


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« Reply #140 on: Feb 6th, 2014, 11:07am »

PURR,

THIS WAS A TOPIC I HAD PLANNED TO BROACH AND IT APPEARS YOU HAVE BROKEN THE ICE FOR MY INPUT.
OUT OF 297 PYCHOLOGICAL DIAGNOSES...CAN ONE POINT TO A CLEAR CLINICAL TEST FOR EACH DIAGNOSIS TO JUSTIFY SAME...WHICH IN FACT IS UNIVERSALLY ACCEPTED BY PEER REVIEW...THAT BEING A MINOR POINT IN THE MENAGERIE OF SUCH ENDEAVORS AND LET'S FURTHER CONSIDER THE ACADEMIC APPROACH TO ONE WHOM MAY HAVE HAD AN UFOLOGICAL ENCOUNTER WHICH HAS LEFT LINGERING FEARS~APPREHENSION~CONFUSION AND A QUEST FOR ANSWERS.

ONE MUST FIRST CONSIDER TRADITIONAL ACADEMIA HAS FROWNED UPON SUCH CONSIDERATION OF THE EXISTENCE OF THIS UFOLOGICAL PHENOMENA WITH THE EXCEPTION OF DR.JOHN MACK {WITH A PEDIGREED EDUCTATION}. MOREOVER, LOOK AT HOW HIS COLLEAGUES TREATED HIM~PEERED PRESSURED HIM BEYOND PROFESSIONAL BOUNDARIES... BUT PRIOR TO HIS AFFINITY TO UFOLOGICAL ANALYSIS OF ABDUCTEES~HE WAS THE "GOLDEN BOY"...THE HERD MENTALLITY!!!...THEY OSTRACIZED HIM MUCH LIKE THEY DO WITH THOSE EXPERIENCING SUCH PHENOMENA!

THEREFORE...TRADITIONAL ACADEMIA WITH RARE EXCEPTIONS WOULD FIRST AND FOREMOST NOT BE RECEPTIVE TO SUCH EXPERIENCES (ALTHOUGH WOULD SCHEDULE AND BILL $$$) AND BY-IN-LARGE WOULD STATE SUCH IS REALLY A MANIFESTION IN ONES MIND{AND IN SOME INSTANCES SUCH IS THE CASE}...BUT THOSE WHOM HAVE ACTUALLY SEEN SOMETHING...ALONG THE LINES OF J.ALLEN HYNEK'S 5% OF UNEXPLAINABLE UNKNOWNS...WHAT CAN SUCH HEALTH PROFESSIONAL OFFER OTHER THAN MEDS~BEHAVIORAL MODIFICATION~AND PRONOUNCED ADJUSTMENTS OF COPING SKILLS...THUS...IF ONE WERE TO RELY ON SUCH OPINIONS~THERE REMIANS MUCH TO BE DESIRED FOR THOSE IN THE FOG OF UFOLOGICAL ENCOUNTERS AT WHAT EVER LEVEL...MED EM UP~TELL EM YA REALLY DIDN'T SEE WHAT YOU THOUGHT YOU SAW~AND LET'S TRY THESE COPING EXERCISES huh

THE ABOVE MENTIONED IS WHY FORUMS LIKE THESE SEEM TO CONTINUE AND IN SOME INSTANCES FLOURISH AS THOSE WHOM ARE IN THE QUAGMIRE OF UNDERSTANDING WHAT MAY HAVE HAPPENED~FIND MORE SYMPATHETIC VOICES~ FOR A PHENOMENA THAT HAS EXISTED FOR QUITE SOME TIME...HIDDEN IN THE PAPAL VAULTS...SEQUESTERED IN THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY...CATACOMBED IN NASA...THERE ARE THOSE WHOM KNOW!

WHY HAS SUCH NOT MET THE SUNSHINE OF GLOBAL ACCEPTANCE~FEAR~PURE AND SIMPLE...OF THE POTENTIAL LOSS OF THOSE VESTED TABOOS WHICH HAS AMASSED MASSIVE FORTUNES...ALL ON THE BACK OF PERPETUATIONING THIS ILLUSION SUCH IS A FIGMENT OF ONES IMAGINATION~TELL THAT TO BETTY AND BARNEY HILL~TELL THAT TO JAMES PENNESTON AND THOSE AT RENDELSHAM FOREST...AND WHO KNOWS HOW MANY OTHERS JUST LIKE THEM BUT NEVER HAD THE MEDIA HYPE TO CATAPULT THEIR STORY TO THE COURT OF DIGITAL OPINION...OR MEDIA OSTRICIZATION!

SOOOO...IS GOING TO A SHRINK POST FACTO FROM AND ENCOUNTER LIKE BEING AT A GROCERY STORE POST DISASTER AFTER HUNDREDS MADE A MAD DASH TO GET BREAD AND YOU GET THERE...AND ONLY ONE LOAF IS LEFT...AND ONE IS FORCED TO TAKE SAME~IMHO~ THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE!...AND HEREIN LIES THE TRAGEDY OF IT ALL wink

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« Reply #141 on: Feb 7th, 2014, 12:56pm »

Excellent post ZETAR you have a way with words especially when it comes to reality, Freyasday if you believe your experience to be true then you do not need others approval . There are no experts we are all fumbling in the dark so be positive as you know what is happening in your life not some faceless person hiding behind a keyboard especially those intent on malice and ridicule as you discovered on your previous site. What I do suggest to others claiming abduction and visitation is that they confide in close family members that way you gather support from trusted people and as I have found you will probably find they are enduring a similar experience only like most they will feel isolated and keep quiet hoping it will go away.
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« Reply #142 on: Feb 7th, 2014, 8:15pm »

Hello purr, ZETAR and all,

Thanks for your input. The topic could be discussed at length from many perspectives. That being the case, I would like to please choose a single topic for further consideration in this post, mental health services. Thanks for following along.

The scientific community and the medical profession is not perfection. There are scandals, corruption and incompetence. Purr's perspectives and ZETAR's points are worthy of consideration, and one should indeed avoid incompetent and biased services whatever their ailment and need for treatment. I would respectfully point out, however, that drwu23's perspectives are equally worthy of consideration.

ZETAR's presented perspective on the treatment of self-described abductees within the mental health industry, no matter how accurate it may or may not be to some specific circumstances, is a partial and incomplete representation of the industry as a whole. It is my confident understanding that a competent psychoanalyst does not express judgment of the perceptions of the client. Therapy is not about the story, it's about healing the trauma surrounding the story, assisting the client in functioning more healthily in their daily lives.

Key point here, please: There is a clear and specific difference between treating trauma and conducting an investigation. A mental health counselor, when hired to treat trauma and provide emotional support, is not seeking to either validate or invalidate the claims of the client. They are not conducting an investigation.

I therefore present for consideration that the middle ground is the rational choice; moderation. While one would not want a therapist totally opposed to entertaining the UFO subject, neither would they want one predisposed to validating alleged alien abduction. The latter of the two is not psychoanalysis.

To summarize... All mental health therapists are not bad. Neither are they all good. One could find a competent one that provides quality services and fits for them. It happens all the time.

If one were to get their leg broken and perceived it took place during an abduction, there would be little doubt they should seek proper medical treatment. A competent argument could be made that similar can be said for the often described mental distress sustained during reported abductions. It just involves a different kind of doctor.

I'd like to please remind everyone that I am not exploring the validity of reports of high strangeness. I have made an effort to consider specific aspects of research of alleged alien abduction. Please make a reasonable effort to differentiate, as the two are not synonymous.

In closing, I'd like to thank purr and ZETAR, as well as others, for expressing themselves in reasonable manners. Debate, when conducted intelligently, is entertaining and interesting. Thanks for providing examples.
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« Reply #143 on: Feb 7th, 2014, 8:24pm »

Hi, freyasday -

As you are apparently finding, you will come across a wide variety of individuals promoting an even wider variety of points of view. Many of them will claim their views to be fact, even though their perspectives will often be in conflict and mutually exclusive to one another. Personally, I have come to exercise what I think to be reasonable skepticism in awaiting verification of claims.

Good luck to you in finding what you are seeking. Be well.
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« Reply #144 on: Feb 7th, 2014, 8:47pm »

on Feb 7th, 2014, 8:15pm, jjflash wrote:
I'd like to please remind everyone that I am not exploring the validity of reports of high strangeness. I have made an effort to consider specific aspects of research of alleged alien abduction. Please make a reasonable effort to differentiate, as the two are not synonymous.


Reminds me of the old adage that goes something like:

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« Reply #145 on: Feb 8th, 2014, 06:23am »

JJflash,

...Key point here, please: There is a clear and specific difference between treating trauma and conducting an investigation. A mental health counselor, when hired to treat trauma and provide emotional support, is not seeking to either validate or invalidate the claims of the client. They are not conducting an investigation...

I would disagree.

The therapist is defiantly conducting an investigation. How else is he/she to get to the source of the patients anxiety ?

If the patient is, in whatever form, delusional, then surely it is the therapists job to guide the patient to see that he/she is mistaken and to enable them to admit this mistake and move on.

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on Feb 8th, 2014, 06:23am, INT21 wrote:
JJflash,

...Key point here, please: There is a clear and specific difference between treating trauma and conducting an investigation. A mental health counselor, when hired to treat trauma and provide emotional support, is not seeking to either validate or invalidate the claims of the client. They are not conducting an investigation...

I would disagree.

The therapist is defiantly conducting an investigation. How else is he/she to get to the source of the patients anxiety ?

If the patient is, in whatever form, delusional, then surely it is the therapists job to guide the patient to see that he/she is mistaken and to enable them to admit this mistake and move on.

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In my admittedly professionally unqualified opinion, HAL, I would say one could find circumstances in which your opinion might apply. However, I remain convinced of my original statements in the context they were intended. I am extremely confident that a competent, qualified mental health counselor is not the least bit professionally interested in either validating or invalidating claims of alleged alien abduction during the course of treating trauma. They are not conducting a UFO investigation.

I would highly recommend interested parties research the subject matter further for themselves. A good overview is provided by Helpguide.org, Emotional and Psychological Trauma: Symptoms, Treatment and Recovery.
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« Reply #147 on: Feb 8th, 2014, 10:18pm »

The Woods/Jacobs Tapes and the 'Oral History' Falsehood

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Tuesday, February 4, this writer was pleased to be among guests on Jeff Ritzmann's Paranormal Waypoint. The show was a special three-hour finale to Ritzmann's multi-episode exploration of research of alleged alien abduction. Focus was upon the case of Emma Woods and its mishandling by the now retired Temple University historian Dr. David Jacobs. Fellow guests were microbiologist Dr. Tyler Kokjohn and author Jeremy Vaeni.

Ritzmann put a great deal of preparation into the episode, taking listeners on an informative and revealing audio tour of the case via taped interactions between Woods and Jacobs. Both were fully aware the recordings were being made at the time of their creation.

The Woods/Jacobs tapes provide irrefutable documentation of unsettling and often disturbing circumstances. Recordings presented and considered - which have long been public thanks to Woods - included interactions from the initial hypnotic regression sessions Jacobs began in 2004 and conducted by telephone. Ritzmann also took listeners through taped exchanges in which Woods confronted Jacobs about discrepancies in his ongoing and increasingly outrageous suggestions.Tapes were also played and discussed in which Woods attempted to clarify circumstances with Jacobs, who threatened her with consequences if she did not either support his conclusions or remain silent.

Leading

At the time of this post, the website of the International Center for Abduction Research, which is maintained by Jacobs, has a bio on Jacobs. Among other questionable items, the bio asserts that "Jacobs is a strong advocate of strict scientific and ethical research methodology", a claim that can irrefutably be shown to be false to the extent of insulting one's intelligence.

The following clip was featured on Paranormal Waypoint and contains details of a telephone hypnosis session between Jacobs and Woods. While Woods largely repeated that she was unsure of the circumstances and often replied, "I don't know," to Jacobs' questions, a scenario was nonetheless constructed in which she was aboard an alien craft. One unclear circumstance at a time, the Jacobs-led conversation progressed to Woods envisioning herself surrounded by beings. Around the eight-minute mark, the following statements were made:

Jacobs: Well, I'm just wondering if maybe they put him on top of you, basically.

Woods: Maybe. Yeah, I think so.

Jacobs: And I know that once again I'm leading you here so you have to be careful, and I understand I'm leading you, and you should understand that too. Okay, now I'm going to ask you a series of questions here and when you answer these questions, when you understand what's happening here, you will - it's not that there's going to be a revelation, but you're going to understand what's going on here and it's not what ya think. How's that for something odd?"

Jacobs then proceeded to create, nearly completely independently of Woods' statements, a scenario in which she was allegedly forced to have sex with what Jacobs described as another abductee.

"He's just some guy," Jacobs told the woman, "he's some, he's some guy that they got. You know, he's an abductee. It's happened to him all his life, and, uhm, he's just as much a victim in the situation as you are. They put him on you, he does his business. What happens - when you get a sense that he is about to ejaculate, what happens to him? What do they do with him?"

Woods proceeded to tell Jacobs that she did not think the man ejaculated. "I don't think he does," she explained, adding that she did not have a very strong visual sense of the situation and that the described scenario may be wrong.

Around the twelve-minute mark, Jacobs then apparently felt himself entitled and qualified to interpret and explain the entire circumstance at length, incredibly informing the woman, "This is a sperm collection procedure. They bring the guy to a height of sexual arousal. Before he ejaculates they pull him off and they collect the sperm in a receptacle, and they do this every single time that this event happens."

Jacobs continued to inform Woods how she should look at the situation in her role as the "facilitator of the sperm collection."

The entire clip:

http://www.paranormalwaypoint.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/hypnosis_session_2.mp3


The Chastity Belt Clip

Among the more infamous recordings to be published by Woods included the chastity belt clip. Jacobs explained to the woman that she could consider wearing a belt that "right where the vaginal opening is has a couple of nails sticking across." This he suggested, would slow down hybrids intent on committing repeated sexual assaults.

"They have these sex shops, ya know, and I went into one that specialized in bondage dominance, a place that I frequented quite often," the man claiming to be an advocate of strict scientific and ethical research told Woods during a long distance hypnosis session:

http://www.paranormalwaypoint.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/hypnosis_chastity.mp3


The Underwear Session

And then there was the request for underwear.

"Were you wearing underpants?" Jacobs asked Woods.

Woods: Yeah.

Jacobs: Uhm, did you wash the underpants?

Woods: Hmm, probably, yeah.

Jacobs: Even though it was yesterday?

Woods: I might have. I could look in the laundry. I could have a look.

Jacobs: Have a look. Put it in a plastic bag, if you find the ones...

Later during the same session, Jacobs instructed Woods, "Well, if you can dig up the underpants, without even thinking about it, just put 'em in a plastic bag, put 'em in an envelope, then just send 'em off to me. Totally, greatly appreciate it. Do not even think about it. Just do it automatically. No fuss, no muss and don't think about it afterward either."

Full clip:

http://www.paranormalwaypoint.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/hypnosis_send_underwear.mp3


More of the Woods/Jacobs tapes, including the historian's suggestion the woman had Multiple Personality Disorder during an ill conceived, convoluted and rather unbelievable plan to deceive the hybrids, may be found at Paranormal Waypoint. The thorough and expanding website of Emma Woods should also be viewed for more information.

If there is evidence of high strangeness to be found, it is not within such hypnosis sessions. Not only does the research subject find neither emotional support nor intellectual answers, they are at high risk of sustaining further trauma.

Further Considerations

It might be rather easy for many readers to write Jacobs off as an idiot, and there are certainly some within UFO circles who have done just that. I invite a bit further consideration, however, that regardless of his wanderings into abuse and absurdity, Jacobs indeed knew what kind of evidence he was seeking. I additionally suggest that after the man repeatedly failed in obtaining support for his hypotheses through his collection of samples, he ceased collecting potential evidence rather than revise suppositions.

A spring, 2011 newsletter published by the False Memory Syndrome Foundation reported that Temple defended the actions of Jacobs, primarily on the grounds that his research was limited to the collection of oral histories. Obviously, the collection of underwear is more than oral history. Moreover, The UFO Trail conducted an interview with Jacobs at the 2012 Ozark UFO Conference in which the doctor himself described multiple circumstances of collecting samples from research subjects. A 2012 exchange between Jacobs and The UFO Trail:

"I have taken material for analysis to various DNA testing places. They had negative results. There wasn't enough of it or they couldn't tell what it was – that sort of thing.”

“Are these tests available for the public to review?”

“Not yet.”

“Will they be?”

“I don't know. One I did many years ago at a local lab in Delaware. Another one was done by American Testing Institute in New York City – American Chemical? I can't remember the name of it now. That was also many years ago – about brown stains that people have; that's routinely there. I had another one done for a TV show..."

The collection of oral history defense is apparently both incorrect and a blatant misrepresentation of actuality. It additionally shows us that when this purported science advocate failed to obtain the valuable physical evidence supporting his theories, he shamelessly continued his promotion of a completely unsubstantiated assumption and with virtual disregard for the extents others were hurt in the process. He did so not only while coming up short with the samples he stated he obtained, but he failed to share the data with the public.

People are entitled to believe and conduct their affairs as they choose. They are not entitled, however, to conduct nonscientific activities and call them science without challenge. Neither is David Jacobs entitled to immunity from accountability.
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« Reply #148 on: Feb 14th, 2014, 3:53pm »

Much appreciation is extended to Dr. Michael Heiser of the blog, UFO Religions, where the scholar recently posted, Alien Abductions Round Up. The post is highly recommended for those seeking a summary (with links) of what has recently been taking place concerning critical review of research of alleged alien abduction.

Also highly recommended is Dr. Tyler Kokjohn's latest article, I'm Sorry, Your Hypothesis Appears to be Dead. An excerpt:

"Alien abduction investigations have long been stymied by the lack of physical evidence that would definitively corroborate victim testimony. However, new genetic analysis technologies which could ferret out hybrids or pinpoint genomic adulterations in short order are now available. Representing nothing less than a potential sea change in the field, abduction researchers have either failed to adopt these methods or have not publicized their results. This static condition has persisted for years.

"Perhaps stunning genetic evidence confirming aliens have adulterated human heredity will be forthcoming soon. Dr. David Jacobs revealed in an interview with Jack Brewer (The UFO Trail http://ufotrail.blogspot.com/2012/04/bizarre-world-of-doctor-david-jacobs.html) he has collected and analyzed samples for such purposes. Given the potential extreme significance of such work and the premium placed on priority in awarding credit for new scientific discoveries, he should be anxious to publish detailed descriptions of each effort undertaken to acquire genetic samples, the specific analytic methods he employed and a complete accounting of all results and data. The information should also include full explanations of chain-of-custody procedures and sample integrity safeguards, quality assessments, all process controls and the precise standards employed for sample inclusion/rejection. Complete procedural details are critical because they will enable reviewers to determine which, if any, conclusions are rigorously grounded, must be considered tentative or challenged as invalid. If alien or hybrid DNA cannot be revealed despite repeated attempts, carefully documented and controlled experiments will enable scientists to confidently decide whether his ideas are or are not supported by genetic evidence.

"For Dr. Jacobs, time may be running short. Clearly, since one investigator has claimed she knows some human-alien hybrids personally, he is not the sole investigator with access to potentially critical corroborating genetic samples. In addition, he is not necessarily restricted to collecting the retinue following inconveniently timed alien-perpetrated sexual assaults. He has also described subjects reporting events interpreted as evidence of missing pregnancies that were both initiated and terminated by alien intervention. While human-alien hybrid progeny are said to be spirited away, these missing pregnancy victims are known to him. Because cells from the developing baby may remain alive in the mother for decades (M. Barinaga, “Cells Exchanged During Pregnancy Live On,’ Science, 21 June 2002 [296:2169-2172]), these persons represent readily localizable subjects potentially harboring the direct genetic evidence of the nefarious alien manipulation of human genetics. But again, Dr. Jacobs faces potential competition when it comes to securing the first genetic proof of alien-induced missing pregnancies. The investigator/subject reporting she was used by aliens as a ‘breeder’ (Future Theater, 18 May 2013, http://www.futuretheater.com/) would both be rather easy to find and literally full of it.

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"A consistent failure to produce any corroborating genetic evidence will have implications extending far beyond that of one investigator’s ideas not withstanding rigorous scrutiny. It will constitute nothing less than an utterly damning indictment of the methods and deductions of some abduction investigators. If confirmatory genetic data cannot be produced, these investigators will be forced to explain why their combined decades of work spawned breath-taking tales of a nefarious plot against humankind perpetrated through criminal assaults and sexual molestation all fabricated during a headlong and heedless rush down a scientific blind alley.

"A vital aspect of the scientific process is the application of brutally frank quality check procedures. A long delayed reckoning in the alien abduction field is now at hand as we shall soon see how well ornate hypotheses match authentic genetic data. That will enable us to judge how effectively the special knowledge and methods certain abduction investigators employed have served to expose the truth."

Dr. Kokjohn's full article may be viewed at:

http://jayvay.wordpress.com/2014/02/11/im-sorry-your-hypothesis-appears-to-be-dead/
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Try a New Hypothesis, Sherlock

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By Tyler Kokjohn, PhD

February 18, 2014

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On September 2, 2009, Major George Filer offered for sale a medical device, ‘flu lights,’ he claimed prevented or cured influenza infections in humans as well as dogs and cats (Filer’s Files #36-2009). The source of this amazing new medical technology – testimony from alien abductees explaining they had been cured of ailments after exposure to blue or green lights employed by aliens. This purported influenza cure/preventative measure, unknown to medical science, would constitute an astonishing example of an alien technology transfer to humans. And priced at only $50 this miracle cure was also a true bargain. An influenza pandemic was emerging in 2009, so the Major must have felt it necessary to get his flu lights on the market with all due haste. Now, nearly 5 years after the crisis, neither he nor anyone else has yet come forward with a report on what would be nothing less than a lifesaving medical breakthrough and paradigm shattering discovery. The Holy Grail for ufology and medicine literally in hand and no one tests it, publishes any further information about the technology or details its amazing history? Welcome to ufology.

Dr. David Jacobs and other abduction researchers have presented numerous, detailed accounts of missing pregnancies and creation of human-alien genetic hybrids. It is now clear that during gestation mother and fetus exchange cells which may persist for years or decades after birth or termination of the pregnancy (M. Barinaga, “Cells Exchanged During Pregnancy Live On,’Science, 21 June 2002 [296:2169-2172]). Powerful new genetic analysis methods now enable investigators to perform prenatal examinations of the fetal genome after a simple blood draw from the mother (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/07/120704182127.htm) In the event of an alleged missing pregnancy, it may still be possible to recognize such hybrid cells for decades. Whether or not the hybrid baby is removed by aliens and taken to an inaccessible location, these mothers are known to the investigators and represent a potential source of critical hypothesis corroborating genetic data.

Abduction investigators have revealed varying degrees of direct personal involvement in the phenomenon with one claiming she knows the identities of hybrids and another asserting on an episode of Future Theater (18 May 2013) that she was employed by aliens as a “breeder.” Robert Sheaffer reported from the 2014 UFO Congress that one featured speaker revealed she has seven alien grandchildren (http://badufos.blogspot.com/2014_02_01_archive.html). These situations have afforded these investigators the unique opportunity to acquire and test samples at their leisure. A human-alien genetic hybrid might be detected with the simplest of genetic tests requiring only that the subject spit into a tube and the investigator mail it off to a commercial facility to await the report. Possibly the easiest opportunity in all history to collect what could be the most scientifically significant samples of the century and not one of them seems to have bothered.

It is important to recognize that these are not fleeting situations transpiring by dark of night at unpredictable times. These sources of critical evidence are readily and conveniently available to the investigators. However, despite the ease of collection, the most direct pathways to uncover substantive proof of nefarious alien intervention on our planet and provide concrete evidence strongly supporting the ETH have been ignored and left to lie fallow.

The best way to investigate any hypothesis is to actually investigate it. In contrast, ETH proponents devise arguments to disguise and rationalize failure. Reduced to defending a hypothesis because of the consistent inability to marshal convincing supporting evidence, it is astonishing they have so long, so diligently and uniformly refused to explore the obvious opportunities available to reach what should be their supreme goal. Worse, the experts or opinion leaders never demand investigators get this job done or even note these glaring discrepancies.

It is time to break the futile cycle of ufology. Try a new hypothesis, Sherlock. You certainly haven’t investigated the one you like.

Full article:

http://jayvay.wordpress.com/2014/02/18/try-a-new-hypothesis-sherlock/
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