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« Reply #195 on: May 7th, 2014, 2:56pm »

on Apr 10th, 2014, 5:21pm, hyundisonata wrote:
I really need to get out more lol; I never realized that BJ was Billy Booth and I have been visiting his site for years lol sorry BJ. I can understand if it was just asleep in bed abduction the skeptic arguing sci fi but there are many scenarios and when you corner the skeptic with straight forward questions they run to the hills rather than supply an answer. I cannot say if I have or have not implants from ET but I did remove one in a tooth that sure as heck was human but if we are an experiment then like us they would tag their victim so the possibility of ET implants is a strong possibility and as their technology is outside our understanding then these chips of metal or glass might just be a transmitter we just do not know and because we do not know then how can the skeptic believe they are so correct in their assumptions. I look at abduction as a criminal act no matter who or what is behind it and strongly believe our governments should protect us against such, so long as there is denial and skepticism then this will never be investigated. if this was a criminal gang abducting just the children or women claiming abduction then every police force in the world would be searching for answers yet because those committing this crime against the person are mostly alien then nothing is done , it is not just a few people claiming such it is a vast number yet it is ignored and classed as a mental disorder yet you would think with it being such a vast number they would be concerned as to why so many where developing this madness yet again no government investigation, now if I was one of the so called sane ones then I would be extremely worried as it might be a form of say virus creating this mental disorder so I would demand the claims of the insane be investigated and not just ridiculed lol you could be next..


Hi Jimmy,

So a person is abducted and he/she reports this crime to the police. Then what? Do they draw up a sketch of the perpetrator and put his picture on the local news? I can just see a wanted picture of a an alien hanging in a post office.

I've seen people write that an abduction victim should call the police so they can do whatever they do when a person is raped or held against their will. Right, and what are they going to do with that if they find anything which is very doubtful.

Just a thought.

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« Reply #196 on: May 7th, 2014, 3:14pm »

I wouldnít expect much from the police but what I would expect is that forensic evidence be gathered by professionals and made public, if physical evidence of this nature is put in the public domain then the governments would have to come clean and pointless squabbles over ET being real would be history then people such as your self would be believed not only by believers but a public that has been shown proof by an official body. We do not have the manpower or the equipment and doctorates behind us but the police do but they will only act if we complain that it is a criminal act against the person no matter who committed the crime.
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« Reply #197 on: May 12th, 2014, 8:26pm »

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Fifty. That's the number of years since the Hills were hypnotized.

Hundreds of thousands. That's how many advances have been made in fields such as medicine, forensics and psychology during those fifty years.

Zero is the number of those advances that have been incorporated into research of alien abduction. By and large, the standard and preferred means of investigation, even by an organization (MUFON) that purports to conduct scientific research, continues after five decades to be to encourage witnesses to close their eyes, relax and describe what happened.

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Hypnosis: The Key To Unlocking The Delusional Mind? Science Daily

Free Market Ufology: Demand a Better Supply Tyler Kokjohn, PhD Paranormal Waypoint

Your Brain on Story: Why Narratives Win Our Hearts and Minds Pacific Standard
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« Reply #198 on: May 14th, 2014, 2:06pm »

Letter to Dr. Michael Swords

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The message below to Dr. Michael Swords concerns a post at his blog in which he apologetically presented some information casting doubt upon the validity of hypnosis as a memory retrieval enhancer and investigative tool. When Emma Woods attempted to contribute to the comments section of the post, Dr. Swords chose to edit those comments to omit the name of Emma Woods, as well as Dr. David Jacobs, who was referenced in her comments. The letter below was submitted today in the comments section of the post in question.


Dear Dr. Swords:

This message is in response to your April 19 blog post, 'Abduction and Hypnosis: a Letter from the Past.' [sic], and particularly your remarks contained in the comments section. While your stance on preferring to remain independent of controversy surrounding hypnosis used as a memory enhancer and the extremely questionable activities of some of its proponents, such as Dr. David Jacobs, is noted, a reasonable argument could be made that a man in your position within ufology is not afforded any such skirting of the issues. This is by no means to suggest that you should be disproportionately criticized for the actions of others, but to moderately point out that a community should expect to look to its leaders for guidance on relevant issues.

In addition to subjecting hypotheses to direct tests, scientists employ a regular regimen of intense introspection. No less important than the basic investigations is the essential activity of critiquing the results and the means to obtain them. Are the data accurate and precise? Was the methodology sound? These questioning processes begin before the first experiment is conducted. Careers, money and prestige may all be on the line, but they all take a back seat to the review processes. In no case would the demands imposed for the responsible conduct of research ever be considered stirring up controversy. The bottom line is simple - scientists question everything, including each other.

A concern over the possible reactions of colleagues and friends for bringing up issues with hypnosis is a clear sign something is amiss. Your choice to edit the comments of Emma Woods and refuse to allow her to specifically name Dr. Jacobs as a controversial figure at your blog is indeed your prerogative. However, it could be interpreted to be much more of the problem than the solution. While reticence to delve into matters requiring legal remedies is both wise and appreciated, the fundamental problems with abduction research itself embodied by extraordinary reliance on a single problematic methodology and exposed by a long running public dispute warrant a broader discussion. Abduction research has imitated some facets of science, but without the underlying and critical procedures to ensure data quality and subject protections. The thin veneer of this faux 'scientific' process works well enough to mislead some, but those who know the difference have an obligation to sound the alarm.

While you are entitled to your perspective, an alternative and reasonable stance would be that denying public discussion of relevant issues impedes abduction research while indirectly supporting some perpetrators of unethical acts and adding to their undeserved credibility. Due to your position as a longtime member of the board of directors of the Center for UFO Studies, the UFO community might expect to count on you, as well as your peers and others holding similar positions in UFO organizations, to clarify and resolve relevant issues. Perhaps you will opt for alternative choices in the future, and contribute in more substantial manners to the much needed improvements in leadership within abduction research specifically and ufology in general. Notwithstanding friendships, loyalties and worries over making someone feel bad, it is impossible to have this both ways.

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« Reply #199 on: May 14th, 2014, 4:53pm »

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« Reply #201 on: Jun 18th, 2014, 1:23pm »

Comments worthy of consideration from guyx recently posted at UFO Collective:

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If indeed there are hybrids among us, it's a simple matter to determine. Said hybrids ought to come forward and have a swab taken from the inside cheek. If there is any odd DNA upon testing it will show up rather easily. Further, testing living members of the same family will demonstrate any divergence of their DNA assuming there has been epigenetic tampering in the recent past, or an influx of off-planet DNA.
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on Jun 18th, 2014, 1:23pm, jjflash wrote:
Comments worthy of consideration from guyx recently posted at UFO Collective:

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If indeed there are hybrids among us, it's a simple matter to determine. Said hybrids ought to come forward and have a swab taken from the inside cheek. If there is any odd DNA upon testing it will show up rather easily. Further, testing living members of the same family will demonstrate any divergence of their DNA assuming there has been epigenetic tampering in the recent past, or an influx of off-planet DNA.

Absolutely.....so one wonders why none of the so-called hybrids and their supporters have done this simple test..?
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on Jun 18th, 2014, 10:10pm, drwu23 wrote:
Absolutely.....so one wonders why none of the so-called hybrids and their supporters have done this simple test..?


Yeah, one would think, wouldn't they? I've become about as unimpressed with those failing to address the circumstances and failing to hold the questionable 'researchers' accountable as I have the perps themselves.
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« Reply #204 on: Jun 22nd, 2014, 1:00pm »

I've noticed a couple of threads lately in which alien abduction is considered. I'd like to post a bit about it in this thread.

I'm posting it here because it is not my desire to perpetually oppose alien-related theories. I do not oppose open-mindedness or fringe topics.

That stated, there are a number of things about the typical abduction narrative - and particularly as certain researchers keep telling us we should believe - that deserve reasonable scrutiny. It perplexes me, for example, that so few people ask questions concerning the supposed inabilities of the alleged aliens to successfully induce amnesia. In other words, how do abduction-researchers decide what memories are correct and what memories are screen memories? And perhaps more importantly, why aren't we asking more about such circumstances and discrepancies?

In 2012 I did a three-part series of blog posts following an interview conducted with David Jacobs. The posts contained the interview and review (by qualified experts) of his assertions. An excerpt:

Frank Purcell is a career process design engineer and has previously provided comment to The UFO Trail. He holds degrees in Chemical Engineering, Chemical Engineering Science, Control Systems Engineering and Computer Science.

He recently provided The UFO Trail with the following comments on the work of David Jacobs:

"My understanding of Jacobsí thesis is that alien abductions are real, and moreover that all abductions are centered on an alien agenda of making human/alien hybrids. The aliens are purportedly introducing the hybrids into society with the long term intent of take-over from within. At the same time, the aliens remain dominant with more power than the hybrids theyíve created.

"Iím skeptical for these reasons:

"1) There is no assurance that hypnosis as administered by Jacobs is professionally done. Jacobs is by training a historian and not a psychologist or scientist. He has done hypnosis on about 150 people that include, what he thinks, are 1100 abduction events. He readily admits that when he began hypnosis of subjects that he didnít know what he was doing. He has said nothing yet to convince me that he somehow now knows what he is doing.

"He admits being selective in deciding what is true and what isnít from abductee reports. Truth is defined by him as consistency with what he or others (Hopkins) have heard from the abductees. Things reported consistent with other reports are taken as factual; things that are outliers are discarded, or not held to be true until collaboration is established with additional reports. He does allow for progression of things reported, such as the growth of hybrids to maturity, by consistency of the reports.

"2) I know little of genealogy and defer to experts in that area. As far as I know itís impossible to cross breed an elephant with a dog. If this is not an obstacle to the aliens because of their advanced technology, why then do they even bother with human DNA and not just directly engineer the results they want from either their own or from the human species?

"3) The abduction count is really unknown. It could be very low to non-existent. Estimated ranges in ĎAlien Discussionsí are between 8/10,000 and 200/10,000. The higher number is based on what most scientists consider to be invalid (and far too high) extrapolations of a Roper poll.

"4) The credibility of the aliens themselves (granting that they even exist) is suspect; what is supposedly learned from professed abductees as told to them by the aliens is suspect. We have almost unanimous reports that aliens are deceptive or misleading while the abductee is captured. Comments from supposed abductees indicate misleading or frivolous comments from aliens in response to straightforward questions. The anecdotal data indicates that aliens are at best secretive and at worst, dishonest. Moreover, if aliens have the ability to mentally control subjects they take, as Jacobs asserts, they could be programming into the subjects whatever disinformation they choose. Presumably, the aliens are working together and communicating among themselves. They could, for their own reasons, be inserting consistent and false memories in the abductees. I donít know of any way to sort this out. We have ample data showing that aliens are furtive when reportedly observed on the ground outside of their saucers. Whatever their true agenda is, granting that they even have one, it seems doubtful that anyone, including Jacobs, has figured it out.

"But the fifth reason, below, seems the most compelling for discarding the hypothesis altogether: there is a huge mismatch between the rate of world population growth and the maximum reasonable introduction of hybrids into the general populace.

"5) The world population has been increasing by 78 million people per year, linearly, from 1960 through 2005 (R square for the data fit is 0.996).

"If we use an abduction rate of 8/10,000 people (Miller, p. 232, Alien Abductions) in the 45 years from 1960 through 2005, there were 5.16 million abductions, or 114,700 abductions per year. Most of these abductions were repeats (by Jacobs own data, 1100 abductions for 150 people). If we arbitrarily assume 100 hybrids produced per person abducted, we get at most 160,000 hybrids introduced into the general populace per year. That is 0.2 % of the overall population growth, and only 0.002% of the total population. While a case might be made that a few of these hybrids are designated for positions of power (political office), that seems to be special pleading and it also does nothing to support the idea of biological takeover from within. The analysis above can be off by 2 orders of magnitude yet still make the case that Jacobsí hypothesis utterly fails."

I asked Frank about how one might frame the logistics of so many supposed people literally being abducted.

"The high estimate of abduction rate, of 200/10,000 by the Roper poll," he replied, "would put 140 million saucers into the sky over a 45 year span, or around 3 million per year."

Considering said Roper poll only addressed the number of Americans allegedly being abducted, suffice it to say that would be a lot of air traffic over the US.


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http://ufotrail.blogspot.com/2012/05/bizarre-world-of-doctor-david-jacobs.html
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« Reply #205 on: Jun 22nd, 2014, 10:54pm »

on Jun 22nd, 2014, 1:00pm, jjflash wrote:
I've noticed a couple of threads lately in which alien abduction is considered. I'd like to post a bit about it in this thread.

I'm posting it here because it is not my desire to perpetually oppose alien-related theories. I do not oppose open-mindedness or fringe topics.

That stated, there are a number of things about the typical abduction narrative - and particularly as certain researchers keep telling us we should believe - that deserve reasonable scrutiny. It perplexes me, for example, that so few people ask questions concerning the supposed inabilities of the alleged aliens to successfully induce amnesia. In other words, how do abduction-researchers decide what memories are correct and what memories are screen memories? And perhaps more importantly, why aren't we asking more about such circumstances and discrepancies?

In 2012 I did a three-part series of blog posts following an interview conducted with David Jacobs. The posts contained the interview and review (by qualified experts) of his assertions. An excerpt:

Frank Purcell is a career process design engineer and has previously provided comment to The UFO Trail. He holds degrees in Chemical Engineering, Chemical Engineering Science, Control Systems Engineering and Computer Science.

He recently provided The UFO Trail with the following comments on the work of David Jacobs:

"My understanding of Jacobsí thesis is that alien abductions are real, and moreover that all abductions are centered on an alien agenda of making human/alien hybrids. The aliens are purportedly introducing the hybrids into society with the long term intent of take-over from within. At the same time, the aliens remain dominant with more power than the hybrids theyíve created.

"Iím skeptical for these reasons:

"1) There is no assurance that hypnosis as administered by Jacobs is professionally done. Jacobs is by training a historian and not a psychologist or scientist. He has done hypnosis on about 150 people that include, what he thinks, are 1100 abduction events. He readily admits that when he began hypnosis of subjects that he didnít know what he was doing. He has said nothing yet to convince me that he somehow now knows what he is doing.

"He admits being selective in deciding what is true and what isnít from abductee reports. Truth is defined by him as consistency with what he or others (Hopkins) have heard from the abductees. Things reported consistent with other reports are taken as factual; things that are outliers are discarded, or not held to be true until collaboration is established with additional reports. He does allow for progression of things reported, such as the growth of hybrids to maturity, by consistency of the reports.

"2) I know little of genealogy and defer to experts in that area. As far as I know itís impossible to cross breed an elephant with a dog. If this is not an obstacle to the aliens because of their advanced technology, why then do they even bother with human DNA and not just directly engineer the results they want from either their own or from the human species?

"3) The abduction count is really unknown. It could be very low to non-existent. Estimated ranges in ĎAlien Discussionsí are between 8/10,000 and 200/10,000. The higher number is based on what most scientists consider to be invalid (and far too high) extrapolations of a Roper poll.

"4) The credibility of the aliens themselves (granting that they even exist) is suspect; what is supposedly learned from professed abductees as told to them by the aliens is suspect. We have almost unanimous reports that aliens are deceptive or misleading while the abductee is captured. Comments from supposed abductees indicate misleading or frivolous comments from aliens in response to straightforward questions. The anecdotal data indicates that aliens are at best secretive and at worst, dishonest. Moreover, if aliens have the ability to mentally control subjects they take, as Jacobs asserts, they could be programming into the subjects whatever disinformation they choose. Presumably, the aliens are working together and communicating among themselves. They could, for their own reasons, be inserting consistent and false memories in the abductees. I donít know of any way to sort this out. We have ample data showing that aliens are furtive when reportedly observed on the ground outside of their saucers. Whatever their true agenda is, granting that they even have one, it seems doubtful that anyone, including Jacobs, has figured it out.

"But the fifth reason, below, seems the most compelling for discarding the hypothesis altogether: there is a huge mismatch between the rate of world population growth and the maximum reasonable introduction of hybrids into the general populace.

"5) The world population has been increasing by 78 million people per year, linearly, from 1960 through 2005 (R square for the data fit is 0.996).

"If we use an abduction rate of 8/10,000 people (Miller, p. 232, Alien Abductions) in the 45 years from 1960 through 2005, there were 5.16 million abductions, or 114,700 abductions per year. Most of these abductions were repeats (by Jacobs own data, 1100 abductions for 150 people). If we arbitrarily assume 100 hybrids produced per person abducted, we get at most 160,000 hybrids introduced into the general populace per year. That is 0.2 % of the overall population growth, and only 0.002% of the total population. While a case might be made that a few of these hybrids are designated for positions of power (political office), that seems to be special pleading and it also does nothing to support the idea of biological takeover from within. The analysis above can be off by 2 orders of magnitude yet still make the case that Jacobsí hypothesis utterly fails."

I asked Frank about how one might frame the logistics of so many supposed people literally being abducted.

"The high estimate of abduction rate, of 200/10,000 by the Roper poll," he replied, "would put 140 million saucers into the sky over a 45 year span, or around 3 million per year."

Considering said Roper poll only addressed the number of Americans allegedly being abducted, suffice it to say that would be a lot of air traffic over the US.


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http://ufotrail.blogspot.com/2012/05/bizarre-world-of-doctor-david-jacobs.html


I can't say I disagree with those stats and conclusions which is why I have taken the position that it's very unlikely that real space aliens are flying around abducting people for some bizarre genetic hybrid program.
But that still begs the question: what is really going on then?
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on Jun 22nd, 2014, 1:00pm, jjflash wrote:
I've noticed a couple of threads lately in which alien abduction is considered. I'd like to post a bit about it in this thread.

I'm posting it here because it is not my desire to perpetually oppose alien-related theories. I do not oppose open-mindedness or fringe topics.

That stated, there are a number of things about the typical abduction narrative - and particularly as certain researchers keep telling us we should believe - that deserve reasonable scrutiny. It perplexes me, for example, that so few people ask questions concerning the supposed inabilities of the alleged aliens to successfully induce amnesia. In other words, how do abduction-researchers decide what memories are correct and what memories are screen memories? And perhaps more importantly, why aren't we asking more about such circumstances and discrepancies?

In 2012 I did a three-part series of blog posts following an interview conducted with David Jacobs. The posts contained the interview and review (by qualified experts) of his assertions. An excerpt:

Frank Purcell is a career process design engineer and has previously provided comment to The UFO Trail. He holds degrees in Chemical Engineering, Chemical Engineering Science, Control Systems Engineering and Computer Science.

He recently provided The UFO Trail with the following comments on the work of David Jacobs:

"My understanding of Jacobsí thesis is that alien abductions are real, and moreover that all abductions are centered on an alien agenda of making human/alien hybrids. The aliens are purportedly introducing the hybrids into society with the long term intent of take-over from within. At the same time, the aliens remain dominant with more power than the hybrids theyíve created.

"Iím skeptical for these reasons:

"1) There is no assurance that hypnosis as administered by Jacobs is professionally done. Jacobs is by training a historian and not a psychologist or scientist. He has done hypnosis on about 150 people that include, what he thinks, are 1100 abduction events. He readily admits that when he began hypnosis of subjects that he didnít know what he was doing. He has said nothing yet to convince me that he somehow now knows what he is doing.

"He admits being selective in deciding what is true and what isnít from abductee reports. Truth is defined by him as consistency with what he or others (Hopkins) have heard from the abductees. Things reported consistent with other reports are taken as factual; things that are outliers are discarded, or not held to be true until collaboration is established with additional reports. He does allow for progression of things reported, such as the growth of hybrids to maturity, by consistency of the reports.

"2) I know little of genealogy and defer to experts in that area. As far as I know itís impossible to cross breed an elephant with a dog. If this is not an obstacle to the aliens because of their advanced technology, why then do they even bother with human DNA and not just directly engineer the results they want from either their own or from the human species?

"3) The abduction count is really unknown. It could be very low to non-existent. Estimated ranges in ĎAlien Discussionsí are between 8/10,000 and 200/10,000. The higher number is based on what most scientists consider to be invalid (and far too high) extrapolations of a Roper poll.

"4) The credibility of the aliens themselves (granting that they even exist) is suspect; what is supposedly learned from professed abductees as told to them by the aliens is suspect. We have almost unanimous reports that aliens are deceptive or misleading while the abductee is captured. Comments from supposed abductees indicate misleading or frivolous comments from aliens in response to straightforward questions. The anecdotal data indicates that aliens are at best secretive and at worst, dishonest. Moreover, if aliens have the ability to mentally control subjects they take, as Jacobs asserts, they could be programming into the subjects whatever disinformation they choose. Presumably, the aliens are working together and communicating among themselves. They could, for their own reasons, be inserting consistent and false memories in the abductees. I donít know of any way to sort this out. We have ample data showing that aliens are furtive when reportedly observed on the ground outside of their saucers. Whatever their true agenda is, granting that they even have one, it seems doubtful that anyone, including Jacobs, has figured it out.

"But the fifth reason, below, seems the most compelling for discarding the hypothesis altogether: there is a huge mismatch between the rate of world population growth and the maximum reasonable introduction of hybrids into the general populace.

"5) The world population has been increasing by 78 million people per year, linearly, from 1960 through 2005 (R square for the data fit is 0.996).

"If we use an abduction rate of 8/10,000 people (Miller, p. 232, Alien Abductions) in the 45 years from 1960 through 2005, there were 5.16 million abductions, or 114,700 abductions per year. Most of these abductions were repeats (by Jacobs own data, 1100 abductions for 150 people). If we arbitrarily assume 100 hybrids produced per person abducted, we get at most 160,000 hybrids introduced into the general populace per year. That is 0.2 % of the overall population growth, and only 0.002% of the total population. While a case might be made that a few of these hybrids are designated for positions of power (political office), that seems to be special pleading and it also does nothing to support the idea of biological takeover from within. The analysis above can be off by 2 orders of magnitude yet still make the case that Jacobsí hypothesis utterly fails."

I asked Frank about how one might frame the logistics of so many supposed people literally being abducted.

"The high estimate of abduction rate, of 200/10,000 by the Roper poll," he replied, "would put 140 million saucers into the sky over a 45 year span, or around 3 million per year."

Considering said Roper poll only addressed the number of Americans allegedly being abducted, suffice it to say that would be a lot of air traffic over the US.


Full post:

http://ufotrail.blogspot.com/2012/05/bizarre-world-of-doctor-david-jacobs.html


I would like to know how many (supposed) Abductees Frank Purcell has interviewed?

QUOTE: "Frank Purcell is a career process design engineer and has previously provided comment to The UFO Trail. He holds degrees in Chemical Engineering, Chemical Engineering Science, Control Systems Engineering and Computer Science."

Perhaps with all those degrees, he only has time to write articles for your blog that criticizes the authors that you do not agree with?
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« Reply #207 on: Jun 23rd, 2014, 10:09am »

Mythos said:" I would like to know how many (supposed) Abductees Frank Purcell has interviewed?
( "Frank Purcell is a career process design engineer and has previously provided comment to The UFO Trail. He holds degrees in Chemical Engineering, Chemical Engineering Science, Control Systems Engineering and Computer Science.")

Perhaps with all those degrees, he only has time to write articles for your blog that criticizes the authors that you do not agree with? "
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How many abductees does he need to' interview' since it has already been done by Jacobs, Hopkins, and Mack. One can simply read their books as well as other material and look at the data to draw their own conclusions.

Regarding his education degrees, I agree that is not always a reason to believe that a person is correct in their assumptions....but it helps if one knows a little about science when looking at evidence and data.


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« Reply #208 on: Jun 23rd, 2014, 5:14pm »

on Jun 22nd, 2014, 10:54pm, drwu23 wrote:
I can't say I disagree with those stats and conclusions which is why I have taken the position that it's very unlikely that real space aliens are flying around abducting people for some bizarre genetic hybrid program.
But that still begs the question: what is really going on then?


In my opinion, Doc, a lot of things. Some of those things may be highly unusual, and some of those things are most certainly not. No matter how much the pro-abduction advocates avoid inventorying likely explanations, the reality will remain that those explanations exist (and apply a certain percentage of the time). Examples would include incorrect assumptions drawn through social conditioning, various medical conditions and hoaxes, among many more. Lots of different things are going on from one specific case to the next.

Do any of the reported experiences represent circumstances deserving of the term high strangeness? In my opinion, a sincere effort to answer that question would include not averting from peer review and its challenges, but embracing them through multidisciplinary approaches. More specifically, abduction-researchers honestly desiring to validate or void their hypotheses would enthusiastically facilitate forensic testing, psychological evaluations and similar procedures.

Important point here, please: The most relevant part of such an investigation would be establishing that something took place in an objective reality. That should be square one, and cases containing such circumstances could be prioritized.

Unfortunately, the current scrupulous aversion to peer review does not earn much confidence for either the researchers or their theories. Perhaps the most hurt and disappointed of all should be the self-described experiencers, who seem to frequently become pawns in unethical games of tug of war between various demographics of investigators and interested parties staking claim to the truth.
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xx Re: Critical Analysis of Research of Alien Abducti
« Reply #209 on: Jun 23rd, 2014, 8:45pm »

on Jun 23rd, 2014, 5:14pm, jjflash wrote:
In my opinion, Doc, a lot of things. Some of those things may be highly unusual, and some of those things are most certainly not. No matter how much the pro-abduction advocates avoid inventorying likely explanations, the reality will remain that those explanations exist (and apply a certain percentage of the time). Examples would include incorrect assumptions drawn through social conditioning, various medical conditions and hoaxes, among many more. Lots of different things are going on from one specific case to the next.

Do any of the reported experiences represent circumstances deserving of the term high strangeness? In my opinion, a sincere effort to answer that question would include not averting from peer review and its challenges, but embracing them through multidisciplinary approaches. More specifically, abduction-researchers honestly desiring to validate or void their hypotheses would enthusiastically facilitate forensic testing, psychological evaluations and similar procedures.

Important point here, please: The most relevant part of such an investigation would be establishing that something took place in an objective reality. That should be square one, and cases containing such circumstances could be prioritized.

Unfortunately, the current scrupulous aversion to peer review does not earn much confidence for either the researchers or their theories. Perhaps the most hurt and disappointed of all should be the self-described experiencers, who seem to frequently become pawns in unethical games of tug of war between various demographics of investigators and interested parties staking claim to the truth.


Well said and for the most part I agree.
Imo what we call the paranormal exists but 'what exactly is the paranormal' is the question, as Bonehead might ask.
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A multi-disciplinary approach is definitely needed and as you probably know Dr Vallee has mentioned this before in his books years ago.
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