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« Reply #225 on: Jul 9th, 2014, 1:46pm »

As I discuss the actions of David Jacobs, particularly concerning his interactions with Emma Woods, with members of the UFO community, I continue to find that a high percentage of people seem to avert from actually reviewing the relevant circumstances. I understand there are a number of reasons for that being the case. Nonetheless, it would seem we should educate ourselves on the circumstances and be aware of what they indicate, especially if we offer opinion on his work and related matters.

Bearing that in mind, those who choose to do so may listen to an audio file (under 3 minutes in length) of Jacobs telling Emma during a hypnosis session conducted by long distance telephone that he, a historian, "diagnosed" her as having Multiple Personality Disorder:

http://emmawoodsfiles.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/hypnosis-session-29-david-jacobs-suggestions-mpd2.mp3

Emma explained the convoluted and extremely questionable circumstances further at her website:

Dr. Jacobs has admitted publicly that he did this, during an interview on the Coast to Coast AM radio show, ET Hybrids / Ultraterrestrials, on December 19, 2010. He has tried to justify it as a convoluted and outlandish “tactic” against “aliens” and alien-human “hybrids”.

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This is a short explanation of what occurred. If you have any further questions, feel free to contact me about it.

1) I was Dr. Jacobs’ research subject between 2004 through 2007, and he investigated my anomalous experiences using hypnosis.

2) During that time, Dr. Jacobs told me that he was in danger from “hybrids/aliens” because of his “alien abduction” research, and in my considered personal opinion, his behavior became quite strange.

3) Dr. Jacobs said that he also believed that those “hybrids/aliens” could read my mind (and the minds of other experiencers.)

4) Consequently, while Dr. Jacobs had me under hypnosis, he planted suggestions in my mind that I had Multiple Personality Disorder. He did this ostensibly to try to fool the “hybrids/aliens”, not because he really believed that I had MPD.

5) Dr. Jacobs ostensibly believed that the “hybrids/aliens” would read my mind, see that he had a new theory ‘that everyone telling abduction stories was actually suffering from MPD’, and that the “hybrids/aliens” would therefore lose interest in him.

6) Dr. Jacobs told me that he actually believed in “alien abduction”. He said that he believed that his life was in danger from the “hybrids/aliens” because he knew that they had a “secret” program to infiltrate Earth by using “hybrids” to blend into human society.

7) Dr. Jacobs was ostensibly trying to use my mind as a shield to protect himself from “hybrids/aliens”, whom he said he believed would use mind control on him, or even possibly kill him, to stop his “alien abduction” research.

8) However, I am of the opinion that Dr. Jacobs probably knew that he was not really in danger from “hybrids/aliens”, because I do not think that he would have put his family in danger to do his “alien abduction” research.

9) Dr. Jacobs did not ask my permission before he put the suggestions in my mind that I had MPD, and I did not know that he was going to do it.

10) I understood at the time that Dr. Jacobs’ suggestions were intended for the “hybrids/aliens” benefit, but because I was hypnotized, they still affected me.

11) After Dr. Jacobs had brought me out of the hypnotic state, he continued to reinforce to me that I must keep it in my mind, so that the “hybrids/aliens” would believe it.

12) I tried to deal with it by making light of it at the time, but it nevertheless frightened me.

13) Dr Jacobs is not a medical doctor. He is a historian. Even if he had really believed that I had MPD, which he did not, he would not have been able to diagnose it.

14) Gary Haden has published further information about Dr. Jacobs putting hypnotic suggestions in my mind that I had MPD, and his opinions about the issue, on his former Speculative Realms blog. He has kindly allowed me to post a PDF archive of it here:

They’re On to Me: The MPD Game from Hello to Goodby – Speculative Realms PDF Archive

15) In my considered personal opinion, Dr. Jacob’s actions were the self-absorbed and unethical actions of a researcher so involved in either his agenda, or fantasy world, that he lost total regard for my well-being, and had no concern for the injury and ramifications that those hypnotic suggestions might ultimately have on me.

16) This is not a character assassination of Dr. Jacobs. I am merely trying, in the only way that I know how, to make my story known, so that others will not suffer the same treatment from Dr. Jacobs, or from any other researchers.

17) Unfortunately, the phenomenon is still so suppressed by society, that there are few places people can turn to for help. There appear to be no effective regulations in place to protect vulnerable experiencers of the phenomenon. It seems as though word of mouth is the main protection that we have at this time.

See Emma's sitte for full post and supporting links:

http://ufoalienabductee.com/
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« Reply #226 on: Jul 9th, 2014, 2:52pm »

Hyundisonata,

.. alas such will never happen as the established fear is well rooted and you will continue to shout your mouths off as long as you do not have to say who you are that way you avoid getting involved in reality safe in your cyber worlds lol and still expect to be taken seriously..


Perhaps, when you have a spare minute, you can tell us how you define reality.

And why any of us should accept your definition. After all, reality, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder.

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« Reply #227 on: Jul 9th, 2014, 6:23pm »

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« Reply #228 on: Jul 9th, 2014, 6:25pm »

on Jul 8th, 2014, 5:56pm, hyundisonata wrote:
Lol WU unlike your self I hide from no man that way I can be honest and speak my mind without fear, you on the other hand hide behind a veil of secrecy making demands like others visiting sites such as this living in fear. Now how can you expect governments or military to be truthful and transparent when you all cannot even accomplish such on a forum its just sheer hypocracy, face facts to get a proper in-depth investigation the only people that have the power to order such is the worlds governments but do you honestly believe they are taking notice of anonymous people making demands on forums. Break the chains guys it’s not hard to do then you can be taken seriously on a very controversial subject as UFO and force transparent investigation, alas such will never happen as the established fear is well rooted and you will continue to shout your mouths off as long as you do not have to say who you are that way you avoid getting involved in reality safe in your cyber worlds lol and still expect to be taken seriously. You’re an intelligent guy WU yet you still fall for the secrets game as they expect you to do then apply it to your own life, to get a transparent investigation establishing the truth for or against ET you your self have to be transparent, a simple case of practice what you preach.


What in God's name are you ranting about? Who is hiding behind a veil of secrecy?
The more you and a few others post the more you guys sound paranoid......I'm sorry but that's how you act.
Transparent in what manner...?
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« Reply #229 on: Jul 11th, 2014, 09:56am »

This is from JJflash,its written by Emma Woods

16) This is not a character assassination of Dr. Jacobs. I am merely trying, in the only way that I know how, to make my story known, so that others will not suffer the same treatment from Dr. Jacobs, or from any other researchers


The heck it isnt.She may as well have held up a neatly sliced off package of gonads.
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« Reply #230 on: Jul 11th, 2014, 11:16am »

on Jul 11th, 2014, 09:56am, carolnistri wrote:
This is from JJflash,its written by Emma Woods

16) This is not a character assassination of Dr. Jacobs. I am merely trying, in the only way that I know how, to make my story known, so that others will not suffer the same treatment from Dr. Jacobs, or from any other researchers


The heck it isnt.She may as well have held up a neatly sliced off package of gonads.


Question, please, carolnistri: Have you read the review of Dr. Jacobs' work I posted and listened to the recordings provided by Emma?

If not, why not?

If so, what do you make of them?

Also, how might one go about assessing the value or lack thereof of activities such as conducted by Jacobs if not presenting them and critiquing them? In other words, why, specifically, do you oppose the findings of individuals such as Emma, Frank Purcell, Tyler Kokjohn and others quoted in my posts?

If anyone cares to field such questions, please be as specific as possible about the particular points contained in their statements.

Thanks.
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« Reply #231 on: Jul 11th, 2014, 2:09pm »

For my two cents...I have read the controversy around Jacobs (and Hopkins who is now deceased) over the least 10 years or so and find it troubling.

Neither man was really qualified to do hypnosis nor any forensic investigations regarding ufos and abductions.
By that I mean they had no science background, psychological backgound , nor any investigation experience. Jacobs is a history professor and I honestly don't see how that qualifies him to do anything except teach history.

Many will say , 'well neither do many other ufologists', and I would say you are right. There are a lot of unqualified people running around making claims and writing books about ufos and abdutions who have little to no scientific background , medical ,nor investigative experience. That is a huge part of the problem with the ufo area.

I can't comment on any unethical activities by Jacobs as well as jjflash who has been fiollowing the case closely but I'm not sure that an artist-Hopkins not a history prof-Jacobs should have been doing the things they did.
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« Reply #232 on: Jul 12th, 2014, 04:32am »

They should let qualified scientists take over..phoeey,weve all been waiting and waiting and waiting for that to occur.JJflash,I do believe that Emma Woods should have written to Jacobs directly.She shouldnt have made public an accusation of this nature,as for Jacobs it seems to me it was an honest mistake.
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« Reply #233 on: Jul 12th, 2014, 11:20am »

Hi, carolnistri,

I can assure you my low opinions about the state of so-called abduction research, and particularly the actions of Jacobs, are the results of rather lengthy consideration of specific and verified circumstances. But you don't have to take my word for it, and, furthermore, I would discourage you doing so. We should each feel free and encouraged to challenge claims and research practices, and, if the claims and practices are sound, they will stand up to our challenges - or not.

So let's start with square one: Jacobs claims to conduct scientific investigation. That's a problem, because he not only does not, but he is unqualified to do so (as drwu23 aptly points out). Please note that was a primary issue in the beginning of this thread: individuals claiming, falsely, to conduct scientific investigation. I would agree that there is nothing wrong with conducting research, forming opinions and publishing those opinions - it's what I do. But claiming it is scientific when it is not is the first problem, should be stopped and community members should not make excuses for/enable it because all a researcher need do is simply not make the false claim.

During my interactions with Emma Woods (a pseudonym) and those close to her, I have on numerous occasions reviewed audio files demonstrating Emma's attempts to negotiate the circumstances with Jacobs and clarify his stances on various items of which she grew increasingly concerned. I bring this up because you question the extents she interacted with him directly and tried to resolve her concerns. Those efforts can be easily verified as extensive via audio files not only available to interested parties and researchers, but posted on her website.

Consider, please, a circumstance in which Emma tried to clarify DJ's position on some questionable issues, resulting in Jacobs threatening to publish Emma's actual identity if she spoke out about details of their relationship and the questionable things that had occurred:

http://emmawoodsfiles.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/david-jacobs-threat-reveal-my-identity1.mp3

You might also choose to give the audio files a listen and think the circumstances over a bit that I will put in my next Casebook post (that were contained in a previous post). Please allow me to emphasize that, in my opinion, a common mistake made is misinterpreting accurate vs. inaccurate as debunker vs. believer. They're not the same thing.

I interpret examining the questionable work of self-described researchers as entirely necessary. It is the path to truth, whatever the truth may ultimately prove to be.
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« Reply #234 on: Jul 12th, 2014, 11:21am »

on Feb 8th, 2014, 10:18pm, jjflash wrote:
The Woods/Jacobs Tapes and the 'Oral History' Falsehood

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Tuesday, February 4, this writer was pleased to be among guests on Jeff Ritzmann's Paranormal Waypoint. The show was a special three-hour finale to Ritzmann's multi-episode exploration of research of alleged alien abduction. Focus was upon the case of Emma Woods and its mishandling by the now retired Temple University historian Dr. David Jacobs. Fellow guests were microbiologist Dr. Tyler Kokjohn and author Jeremy Vaeni.

Ritzmann put a great deal of preparation into the episode, taking listeners on an informative and revealing audio tour of the case via taped interactions between Woods and Jacobs. Both were fully aware the recordings were being made at the time of their creation.

The Woods/Jacobs tapes provide irrefutable documentation of unsettling and often disturbing circumstances. Recordings presented and considered - which have long been public thanks to Woods - included interactions from the initial hypnotic regression sessions Jacobs began in 2004 and conducted by telephone. Ritzmann also took listeners through taped exchanges in which Woods confronted Jacobs about discrepancies in his ongoing and increasingly outrageous suggestions.Tapes were also played and discussed in which Woods attempted to clarify circumstances with Jacobs, who threatened her with consequences if she did not either support his conclusions or remain silent.

Leading

At the time of this post, the website of the International Center for Abduction Research, which is maintained by Jacobs, has a bio on Jacobs. Among other questionable items, the bio asserts that "Jacobs is a strong advocate of strict scientific and ethical research methodology", a claim that can irrefutably be shown to be false to the extent of insulting one's intelligence.

The following clip was featured on Paranormal Waypoint and contains details of a telephone hypnosis session between Jacobs and Woods. While Woods largely repeated that she was unsure of the circumstances and often replied, "I don't know," to Jacobs' questions, a scenario was nonetheless constructed in which she was aboard an alien craft. One unclear circumstance at a time, the Jacobs-led conversation progressed to Woods envisioning herself surrounded by beings. Around the eight-minute mark, the following statements were made:

Jacobs: Well, I'm just wondering if maybe they put him on top of you, basically.

Woods: Maybe. Yeah, I think so.

Jacobs: And I know that once again I'm leading you here so you have to be careful, and I understand I'm leading you, and you should understand that too. Okay, now I'm going to ask you a series of questions here and when you answer these questions, when you understand what's happening here, you will - it's not that there's going to be a revelation, but you're going to understand what's going on here and it's not what ya think. How's that for something odd?"

Jacobs then proceeded to create, nearly completely independently of Woods' statements, a scenario in which she was allegedly forced to have sex with what Jacobs described as another abductee.

"He's just some guy," Jacobs told the woman, "he's some, he's some guy that they got. You know, he's an abductee. It's happened to him all his life, and, uhm, he's just as much a victim in the situation as you are. They put him on you, he does his business. What happens - when you get a sense that he is about to ejaculate, what happens to him? What do they do with him?"

Woods proceeded to tell Jacobs that she did not think the man ejaculated. "I don't think he does," she explained, adding that she did not have a very strong visual sense of the situation and that the described scenario may be wrong.

Around the twelve-minute mark, Jacobs then apparently felt himself entitled and qualified to interpret and explain the entire circumstance at length, incredibly informing the woman, "This is a sperm collection procedure. They bring the guy to a height of sexual arousal. Before he ejaculates they pull him off and they collect the sperm in a receptacle, and they do this every single time that this event happens."

Jacobs continued to inform Woods how she should look at the situation in her role as the "facilitator of the sperm collection."

The entire clip:

http://www.paranormalwaypoint.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/hypnosis_session_2.mp3


The Chastity Belt Clip

Among the more infamous recordings to be published by Woods included the chastity belt clip. Jacobs explained to the woman that she could consider wearing a belt that "right where the vaginal opening is has a couple of nails sticking across." This he suggested, would slow down hybrids intent on committing repeated sexual assaults.

"They have these sex shops, ya know, and I went into one that specialized in bondage dominance, a place that I frequented quite often," the man claiming to be an advocate of strict scientific and ethical research told Woods during a long distance hypnosis session:

http://www.paranormalwaypoint.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/hypnosis_chastity.mp3


The Underwear Session

And then there was the request for underwear.

"Were you wearing underpants?" Jacobs asked Woods.

Woods: Yeah.

Jacobs: Uhm, did you wash the underpants?

Woods: Hmm, probably, yeah.

Jacobs: Even though it was yesterday?

Woods: I might have. I could look in the laundry. I could have a look.

Jacobs: Have a look. Put it in a plastic bag, if you find the ones...

Later during the same session, Jacobs instructed Woods, "Well, if you can dig up the underpants, without even thinking about it, just put 'em in a plastic bag, put 'em in an envelope, then just send 'em off to me. Totally, greatly appreciate it. Do not even think about it. Just do it automatically. No fuss, no muss and don't think about it afterward either."

Full clip:

http://www.paranormalwaypoint.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/hypnosis_send_underwear.mp3


More of the Woods/Jacobs tapes, including the historian's suggestion the woman had Multiple Personality Disorder during an ill conceived, convoluted and rather unbelievable plan to deceive the hybrids, may be found at Paranormal Waypoint. The thorough and expanding website of Emma Woods should also be viewed for more information.

If there is evidence of high strangeness to be found, it is not within such hypnosis sessions. Not only does the research subject find neither emotional support nor intellectual answers, they are at high risk of sustaining further trauma.

Further Considerations

It might be rather easy for many readers to write Jacobs off as an idiot, and there are certainly some within UFO circles who have done just that. I invite a bit further consideration, however, that regardless of his wanderings into abuse and absurdity, Jacobs indeed knew what kind of evidence he was seeking. I additionally suggest that after the man repeatedly failed in obtaining support for his hypotheses through his collection of samples, he ceased collecting potential evidence rather than revise suppositions.

A spring, 2011 newsletter published by the False Memory Syndrome Foundation reported that Temple defended the actions of Jacobs, primarily on the grounds that his research was limited to the collection of oral histories. Obviously, the collection of underwear is more than oral history. Moreover, The UFO Trail conducted an interview with Jacobs at the 2012 Ozark UFO Conference in which the doctor himself described multiple circumstances of collecting samples from research subjects. A 2012 exchange between Jacobs and The UFO Trail:

"I have taken material for analysis to various DNA testing places. They had negative results. There wasn't enough of it or they couldn't tell what it was – that sort of thing.”

“Are these tests available for the public to review?”

“Not yet.”

“Will they be?”

“I don't know. One I did many years ago at a local lab in Delaware. Another one was done by American Testing Institute in New York City – American Chemical? I can't remember the name of it now. That was also many years ago – about brown stains that people have; that's routinely there. I had another one done for a TV show..."

The collection of oral history defense is apparently both incorrect and a blatant misrepresentation of actuality. It additionally shows us that when this purported science advocate failed to obtain the valuable physical evidence supporting his theories, he shamelessly continued his promotion of a completely unsubstantiated assumption and with virtual disregard for the extents others were hurt in the process. He did so not only while coming up short with the samples he stated he obtained, but he failed to share the data with the public.

People are entitled to believe and conduct their affairs as they choose. They are not entitled, however, to conduct nonscientific activities and call them science without challenge. Neither is David Jacobs entitled to immunity from accountability.
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« Reply #235 on: Jul 13th, 2014, 03:52am »

To your knowledge did "Emma" and Jacobs ever share a bed?
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« Reply #236 on: Jul 13th, 2014, 11:12am »

on Jul 13th, 2014, 03:52am, carolnistri wrote:
To your knowledge did "Emma" and Jacobs ever share a bed?


No. I am entirely under the impression Emma was deeply hurt and offended by the sexual content of Jacobs' statements, particularly considering the fact they were made during the vulnerability of hypnosis... by international telephone, no less.

I interpret she attempted to trust him as a hypnotist with exploring her experiences. Over time, however, his leading reached what she felt was a point of absurdity about hybrids, sperm collections and winding, convoluted plots of interplanetary intrigue. When she confronted Jacobs about the discrepancies in such scenarios, such as how he could be a prominent speaker while simultaneously claiming to be on the run from hybrids wishing to kill him (like, can't they find the UFO convention?), she increasingly lost trust in his intentions as a researcher. She and others strongly suspected his shameless leading of the witness as an effort to compile book material, and his inappropriate sexual references as unethical and extremely questionable conduct.
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« Reply #237 on: Jul 13th, 2014, 11:17am »

I think it worthy of mention there are other subjects of Jacobs in addition to Emma who became disturbed with what they felt were his attempts to frame their experiences in manners that misrepresented their interpretations while supporting his preferred theories. We could discuss that further if anyone would like, but I would also like to make another point, please, that builds off of the last one: When I composed the three-part series on the work and claims of Dr. David Jacobs, I intentionally omitted complaints of his research subjects. I did that because I wanted to allow the man to make his case and have his say, then examine his own statements and assertions. In other words, it became increasingly clear there were any number of reasons to greatly question the man's work and claims completely independent of the complaints of his research subjects.

The resulting series was an interview with Jacobs followed by comments from qualified professionals, both past and current at the time, about his methods and claims:

on May 21st, 2013, 3:24pm, jjflash wrote:
The Bizarre World of Dr. David Jacobs: An Interview and Review, Part One of Three includes an interview with historian and researcher David Jacobs.

Part Two addresses mental health issues commonly omitted from discussion and considers critical review published by parapsychologist Susan Blackmore, Rutgers sociologist Ted Goertzel and expert on rhetoric Stephanie Kelley-Romano, who delved extensively into alien abduction.

Part Three of the series includes review contributed by retired process design engineer Frank Purcell and microbiologist Tyler Kokjohn.


Lastly, I would please like to re-emphasize why I conduct the kinds of activities I do, as I interpret the relevance and intentions get lost on occasion. My primary interests and motives include conducting activism involving:

1) Ufologists and UFO organizations who falsely claim to conduct scientific research and investigation,

2) The resulting detrimental effects it has on public perception of truth, particularly as related to the circulation of accurate and verifiable information, and, very importantly,

3) People being hurt in the process.
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« Reply #238 on: Jul 13th, 2014, 11:31am »

Sigh,is there no one to trust undecided
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« Reply #239 on: Jul 13th, 2014, 9:11pm »

I'm sure that there are trustworthy researchers out there. but I doubt they are writing books and making self serving speeches at conventions.
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