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xx Re: Critical Analysis of Research of Alien Abducti
« Reply #270 on: Jul 22nd, 2014, 11:55am »

on Jul 22nd, 2014, 11:29am, drwu23 wrote:
G Force: As for claims of being forced off? I don't think anyone is forced off here, I do think some find it inhospitable and leave which is regrettable at times. I know many believers/experiencers feel they're being put under the microscope unfairly.

My response to all here is to remain civil and debate the topics. If Oldtimer or anyone else doesn't want to answer questions that is his right. No one if forced to believe a claim nor should anyone call another member names."
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It's difficult to 'debate' or even discuss claims when someone comes to the board with 'outlandish' claims ,states them as fact, and then when asked hard questions refuses to answer and then says they are being harassed.
How does one even approach a situation like that? Are we to tap dance around this and step so lightly that we end up basically discovering nothing but what the person wants to tell us?
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No one has to believe any claim here nor should they until they either get responses to question or read enough to form an opinion.

Any NEW member just coming into a forum is going to be apprehensive. That often shows in how they respond to questions. I think most become defensive out of habit and not knowing any of the members or being familiar with their beliefs. I also know the older members are quite aware of the number of hoaxers and trolls that frequent these forums.

The advice I'd offer is to give them ample time to get their feet wet. That doesn't mean turn a blind eye or not to question their claims. If someone doesn't want to answer questions then indirectly they're answering them if you think about it.

Those coming in solely looking for attention leave if they don't get it or I end up banning them after they show their @$$. IF someone doesn't answer questions posed it's good to step back, going forward will be a dead end anyway. You're not going to get blood out of a turnip by trying to force their hand. You're only going to get confrontation. That serves no one!

Honestly it's next to impossible to debunk a personal experience. All anyone can do is ask questions, research claims and see if they can find contradictions or the member gives answers. At some point the truth will come out. Petty bickering serves no point.
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xx Re: Critical Analysis of Research of Alien Abducti
« Reply #271 on: Jul 22nd, 2014, 1:55pm »

This thread is titled Critical Anlaysis Of Alien Abduction, and I think most of us know that means hard questions, scientific approach, and dissecting responses.
IMHO if someone comes here making an abduction claim then they should expect all of that and more from those using critical anlaysis. It doesn't mean being rude and here I agree with you but it does mean not putting up with evasive non answers. If the 'abductee' or proponent of same can't handle that then imho they don't belong on a board that's gong to critically analyze their claims then perhaps they should be on an abduction support group board .

BTW.....I'm not asking nor implying that any current members should leave but simply making a point.
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« Reply #272 on: Jul 22nd, 2014, 2:08pm »

on Jul 22nd, 2014, 1:55pm, drwu23 wrote:
This thread is titled Critical Anlaysis Of Alien Abduction, and I think most of us know that means hard questions, scientific approach, and dissecting responses.
IMHO if someone comes here making an abduction claim then they should expect all of that and more from those using critical anlaysis. It doesn't mean being rude and here I agree with you but it does mean not putting up with evasive non answers. If the 'abductee' or proponent of same can't handle that then imho they don't belong on a board that's gong to critically analyze their claims then perhaps they should be on an abduction support group board .

BTW.....I'm not asking nor implying that any current members should leave but simply making a point.


You make a valid point drwu, one of which I don't disagree with.
My point is hammering away and attacking doesn't work. In the case of this thread I would say the member who doesn't want to defend a post should step away and stick to other threads. My point is bickering only shuts down a thread and diverts attention away from the subject. Passionate beliefs are fine, name calling like liar etc aren't necessary.
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« Reply #273 on: Jul 22nd, 2014, 2:40pm »

GForce,

You can put away the key. I'll leave off querying Oldtimer's claim.


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« Reply #274 on: Jul 23rd, 2014, 11:26am »

on Jul 22nd, 2014, 2:40pm, INT21 wrote:
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You can put away the key. I'll leave off querying Oldtimer's claim.


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Hal, I would never try to silence you or anyone else. I know it wouldn't work anyway! smiley My point is and always has been there comes a time when it's fruitless to continue arguing a point.

I won't knock someone for not responding to questions. People have their own reasons for not responding. I can see both sides of the argument. I think the tone of questions plays a role. I think people sense certain things and go into defense mode.

For this forum or any other to thrive we need to hear both sides of the argument if not it will dry up and die.
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« Reply #275 on: Jul 25th, 2014, 3:04pm »

on Jul 23rd, 2014, 11:26am, GForce wrote:
...I won't knock someone for not responding to questions. People have their own reasons for not responding. I can see both sides of the argument. I think the tone of questions plays a role. I think people sense certain things and go into defense mode.

For this forum or any other to thrive we need to hear both sides of the argument if not it will dry up and die.


I agree but it's really hard to have a discussion if the other party ain't willing to discuss except along the lines they wish.
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« Reply #276 on: Jul 25th, 2014, 5:25pm »

on Jul 25th, 2014, 3:04pm, drwu23 wrote:
I agree but it's really hard to have a discussion if the other party ain't willing to discuss except along the lines they wish.
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Hi drwu, I agree but until skeptics and their views/questions can be received by believers as thought out and inquisitive thoughts rather than seeking a gotcha moment or to humiliate them. Only then may be able to have honest debate. From both sides skeptic and believer it comes down to perception of the other side. That of course creates trust issues. Dan

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« Reply #277 on: Jul 26th, 2014, 12:53pm »

Maybe it is time to revisit the 'Believers Only Club' idea.

Let's look at what we have. Or should I say 'had'.

We had trolls. Guys just out to stire it up and have fun at others expense.

We had Skeptics. people who don't find the evidence compelling, but are prepared to modify their views as the evidence gets stronger.

We had debunkers. They do believe that there is something going on, but are keen to make every thing seem like swamp gas and Lennies. They tend to toe the military line.

We have believers. They are sure of what they saw and can't see why the rest of use don't see it their way.

But now, we have the UFOJihadi.

These guys are not only rock solid in their belief, but are instantly on the ready to pour scorn on anyone who dares to doubt them. These guys have seen it all, got the radiation burns to prove it. You must not ask them how they know; they do, and that is enough.

No response to this post yet please, it's not finished. I have to go out for a few minutes. Back soon

Ok, The annoying thing about the UFOjihadi is that there is nothing you can tell him or ask him. In this he is very much like the religious hardliner. And if you dare say, but how do you know this ? Like his religious counterpart, he will become enraged and try to 'kill' you.

So, let us create the club.

Image it rather as a Victorian gentleman's Explores Club.

The hard liners can sit around in (metaphorically speaking) a cosy room with a blazing fire. A few overstuffed chairs and some dark wood paneling will help create the atmosphere of exclusivity.

Over a glass or two of brandy they can discuss the latest from Alpha Centuri, Guffaw over how old Harris hasn't been able to sit on a hard chair since he was probed by those pale aliens who passed through last year. And generally swap tales of their meetings and exploits.

All very chummy.

They insist that you don't know what it is like until you have experienced it yourself.

But don't they say the same about toothache ?

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« Reply #278 on: Jul 26th, 2014, 3:30pm »

Hal,

I realized a long time ago that no one would believe any thing I had to say about UFO's.

With the thousands of reports around the world each year, it seems our world does not care or be concerned.

Since I saw my first UFO in the 4th grade, nothing has changed.



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« Reply #279 on: Jul 27th, 2014, 3:16pm »

on Jul 26th, 2014, 12:53pm, INT21 wrote:
Maybe it is time to revisit the 'Believers Only Club' idea.

Let's look at what we have. Or should I say 'had'.

We had trolls. Guys just out to stire it up and have fun at others expense.

We had Skeptics. people who don't find the evidence compelling, but are prepared to modify their views as the evidence gets stronger.

We had debunkers. They do believe that there is something going on, but are keen to make every thing seem like swamp gas and Lennies. They tend to toe the military line.

We have believers. They are sure of what they saw and can't see why the rest of use don't see it their way.

But now, we have the UFOJihadi.

These guys are not only rock solid in their belief, but are instantly on the ready to pour scorn on anyone who dares to doubt them. These guys have seen it all, got the radiation burns to prove it. You must not ask them how they know; they do, and that is enough.

No response to this post yet please, it's not finished. I have to go out for a few minutes. Back soon

Ok, The annoying thing about the UFOjihadi is that there is nothing you can tell him or ask him. In this he is very much like the religious hardliner. And if you dare say, but how do you know this ? Like his religious counterpart, he will become enraged and try to 'kill' you.

So, let us create the club.

Image it rather as a Victorian gentleman's Explores Club.

The hard liners can sit around in (metaphorically speaking) a cosy room with a blazing fire. A few overstuffed chairs and some dark wood paneling will help create the atmosphere of exclusivity.

Over a glass or two of brandy they can discuss the latest from Alpha Centuri, Guffaw over how old Harris hasn't been able to sit on a hard chair since he was probed by those pale aliens who passed through last year. And generally swap tales of their meetings and exploits.

All very chummy.

They insist that you don't know what it is like until you have experienced it yourself.

But don't they say the same about toothache ?

HAL
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Well Hal, you made me smile! Believers only would never work nor should it but I understand the frustration having not having questions answered. About all you can do when you run up against a wall is go on record via post to get your voice heard.

I will be the first to admit I don't know it all, I will also admit that I haven't form an opinion on a lot of things. Because of that I am suspect on most things hence the label skeptic. That said I can be swayed by a good argument. But it takes dialog something obviously lacking not only here but also in the real world.
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« Reply #280 on: Jul 28th, 2014, 04:18am »

on Jul 22nd, 2014, 2:40pm, INT21 wrote:
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You can put away the key. I'll leave off querying Oldtimer's claim.


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I for one believe everything Oldtimer said.
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« Reply #281 on: Jul 28th, 2014, 05:20am »

You faith in the honesty of humankind warms the cockles of my heart.

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« Reply #282 on: Jul 28th, 2014, 09:28am »

on Jul 28th, 2014, 04:18am, carolnistri wrote:
I for one believe everything Oldtimer said.


So then...let me get this straight.
You believe that evil aliens (multiple species...)are making genetic hybrids and are in league with evil humans in some global secret conspiracy, ie the NWO, to take over earth by coming back in huge spaceships in the sky and pretending to be "God" and then enslaving us all.

Is that about it?
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BTW...I'd love to hear what Dr Vallee thinks about these bizarro theories and if the new direction of ufo research he is referring to on that radio show is one where everyone is batshit crazy.
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« Reply #283 on: Jul 28th, 2014, 09:59am »

LOL! Now you know that my own opinion of whats going on has changed,so I believe that Demons are
taking full advantage of men like Oldtimer,btw lets hope together that Dan heard Vallee last night,I could just spit at having missed him.
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« Reply #284 on: Jul 28th, 2014, 10:15am »

on Jul 28th, 2014, 09:28am, drwu23 wrote:
BTW...I'd love to hear what Dr Vallee thinks about these bizarro theories and if the new direction of ufo research he is referring to on that radio show is one where everyone is batshit crazy.


Top play nominee there, Doc.
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