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« Reply #315 on: Nov 18th, 2014, 03:53am »

Don't recall what was ever found about the 'glass beads'.


But you Do recall that it was you that posted the post that told us of those glass beads? Right?
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« Reply #316 on: Nov 18th, 2014, 08:02am »

on Nov 18th, 2014, 03:53am, carolnistri wrote:
Don't recall what was ever found about the 'glass beads'.


But you Do recall that it was you that posted the post that told us of those glass beads? Right?


It may have been me....I simply don't recall that one, but again there has never been any good forensic work done at any abduction events that I am aware of. The only thing recovered were so-called implants in a few of the 'abductees' and those were always after the fact and sometimes months and years later before the 'abductee' noticed.
I have mentioned before that a forensic exam of Walton's body right after he wandered into town might have given us some good data.
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« Reply #317 on: Nov 18th, 2014, 08:30am »

Ive been trying to get to the bottom of those glass beads for ever,the net has nothing on it.Hmm.
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« Reply #318 on: Nov 18th, 2014, 08:37am »

Here I found this.


http://aaarc.abduct.com/abduction.htm


(Now this is interesting)This is from that report on abduction.


Another type of physical evidence has recently been identified in household dust. Marilyn Ruben has been working closely with world-renowned physicist, Dr. William Levengood, a retired professor from the University of Michigan. Dr. Levengood has discovered, what could be called, the fingerprints of alien abduction. Under powerful magnification, he identified small hollow spheres, and another elongated crystalline form that he refers to as “pseudo-crystals.” Ruben indicated that these microscopic forms are not a part of our natural environment, and have only been found in homes where alien visitations have occurred. At Marilyn's request, I provided dust samples from my own home for Levengood’s analysis. When the results came back, I was shocked to learn that the samples were laden with pseudo-crystals and hollow spheres!

In addition to implanted and microscopic objects, aliens have left behind other calling cards. Large burned spots have been found in the grass outside abductees’ homes and in nearby fields. Earth samples tested from these areas are many times greater in magnetic material content than surrounding unaffected soil. Also, microscopic beads of glass have been discovered, which usually indicates exposure to very high temperatures


But what would account for those glass beads in ones bedroom?
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« Reply #319 on: Nov 18th, 2014, 09:03am »

on Nov 18th, 2014, 08:37am, carolnistri wrote:
Here I found this.


http://aaarc.abduct.com/abduction.htm


(Now this is interesting)This is from that report on abduction.


Another type of physical evidence has recently been identified in household dust. Marilyn Ruben has been working closely with world-renowned physicist, Dr. William Levengood, a retired professor from the University of Michigan. Dr. Levengood has discovered, what could be called, the fingerprints of alien abduction. Under powerful magnification, he identified small hollow spheres, and another elongated crystalline form that he refers to as “pseudo-crystals.” Ruben indicated that these microscopic forms are not a part of our natural environment, and have only been found in homes where alien visitations have occurred. At Marilyn's request, I provided dust samples from my own home for Levengood’s analysis. When the results came back, I was shocked to learn that the samples were laden with pseudo-crystals and hollow spheres!

In addition to implanted and microscopic objects, aliens have left behind other calling cards. Large burned spots have been found in the grass outside abductees’ homes and in nearby fields. Earth samples tested from these areas are many times greater in magnetic material content than surrounding unaffected soil. Also, microscopic beads of glass have been discovered, which usually indicates exposure to very high temperatures


But what would account for those glass beads in ones bedroom?


Far more samples need to be taken of control areas to see if these spheres etc are simply part of natural dust debris before claiming them to be of alien origin.
Burned spots of course are a known anomaly in reported ufo cases....not sure how often these alleged glass beads show up.
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« Reply #320 on: Nov 18th, 2014, 10:09am »

The info you are discussing is about William "Lefty" Levengood and his research. The likely cause of the glass fragments was suspected to be heat.

I would strongly suggest abstaining from drawing conclusions not yet available. Lefty was often attributed with beliefs that my interactions with him would suggest he did not necessarily foster. I think some overly enthusiastic so-called researchers tried to exploit his willingness to explore fringe phenomena in efforts to further their agendas and beliefs. As a matter of fact, Lefty's preferred hypothesis on unexplained crop circles had nothing to do with aliens, he thought some formations might be the results of complex weather phenomena as can be read about in his papers on the topic.

The post below came from the following thread:

http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&&num=1402086323&&start=33#2

The original source/post contains mention of the glass particles reportedly found in the homes of self-described abductees, as well as a link to its source.

on Jun 14th, 2014, 5:09pm, jjflash wrote:
Here's some related stuff I find fascinating:

Source: http://ufotrail.blogspot.com/2011/04/crop-circles-part-three.html

In 1975 in Orton, Ontario, Lindy Tucker and her neighbors began experiencing events of such high strangeness that Tucker's subsequent investigations led to founding a research organization and having some of her work published in the MUFON Journal.

[...]

Following at least two sightings of unidentified aerial phenomena, in which Tucker perceived what she described as “telepathic contact,” she experienced electronic anomalies, including telephone disconnections and appliances inexplicably turning on. Tucker further reported “compasses spinning” in her hand and “odd rashes or burns after being out late in the fields trying to get closer to this mysterious force.”

While all this was taking place, one day Tucker discovered a nearby field of corn “went down.” Every single stalk in the field, as far as the eye could see, she wrote, was “laid down” and the crops “looked singed.”

Then her garden produced a whopping 75-pound cabbage.

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[And get a load of this from the same blog post...]

The work of William C. “Lefty” Levengood... includes examinations of crop circles and cattle mutilations, as well as investigations of alleged alien abduction.

[...]

As the story went, Levengood supplied [a] female abductee with an assortment of hair curlers, each having a plastic capsule stuffed in it which had seeds, allegedly wheat seeds, placed in it. Each night, before going to sleep, she was to put a hair curler in her hair. Each morning, she was to properly date and store the curler, documenting in a journal if she had experienced anything unusual during the previous night or 24 hours.

According to various Internet sources, the woman experienced some type of high strangeness, or possible alien abduction, one night during the experimentation period. Levengood would later find the seeds to indeed be altered which coincided with the date of the strange experience. As the story went, the seeds were completely fried.

I contacted William “Lefty” Levengood in 2010 so I could find out more about such extraordinary claims. Levengood graciously agreed to participate in two telephone interviews conducted during July of 2010. As is often the situation with tales circulating around the Internet, Levengood informed me there is truth mixed with inaccuracy in the hair curler story. However, in this case, I found the truth even more interesting!

[...]

The story did actually happen, as Levengood thought it would be a good idea to use seeds to try to document the presence of abnormal energies surrounding the female abductee.

“I could give you a whole day's lecture on work just with her,” he proclaimed.

The first inaccuracy in the story was the type of seeds. The actual seeds used were Arabidopsis thaliana, a small flowering plant in the mustard family commonly used by the international research community.

He said the woman followed instructions very well, doing an excellent job of documenting details of her activities. Every seven days Levengood would retrieve the hair curlers from the previous week while supplying her with seven more, each packed with a plastic capsule containing seeds. He would then dig the plastic capsule out of each returned curler, review the related written information, and, interestingly enough, plant the seeds. He eventually came across the journal entry indicating an experience of high strangeness and the corresponding plastic capsule.

“My God, I was dumbfounded,” Levengood recalled.

The two halves of the capsule shell were melted together, he said, and the entire capsule appeared to be imploded. He carefully worked at the capsule long enough to separate the two halves, at which time he said it made a whooshing noise, indicating it had been placed under some kind of vacuum.

“It was heated, of course,” he said.

I confidently suspect Levengood's assertion the capsule had been heated is why the inaccurate detail circulated that the seeds were fried, a detail that was simply incorrect. According to Levengood, the seeds were not wasted. Quite the contrary. Levengood stated the seeds in question grew with “increased vigor,” significantly outgrowing the other seeds!

Upon discovering this to be the case, I was immediately reminded of Tucker and her 75-pound cabbage. I was therefore eager to hear more about circumstances of which Levengood was aware in which growth rates of plants were obviously altered by whatever was taking place around them. Quite interestingly, one such circumstance included what Levengood called the “most unusual crop formation” he ever saw.

“This crop formation was in Kansas,” he explained. “It had no bent nodes, the crops were not knocked down, there were no expulsion cavities, there were no visible signs, except, in these circles, the wheat grew at a different (increased) height!”

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So I suspect the intelligence community may sometimes be stirring the pot. I think it may sometimes be intentionally, while, at other times, just a byproduct of complex events and circumstances.

Lastly, I would highly encourage people to use forums such as this or blogs such as mine as spring boards to conduct their own research. Find credible sources, practice professional research protocol and form their own opinions - don't adopt the opinions and views of others without due process.

Thanks again for the comments and interest. They are appreciated.
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« Reply #321 on: Nov 18th, 2014, 10:18am »

Another related post:

on Oct 18th, 2013, 3:43pm, jjflash wrote:
Life and Times of Lefty Levengood

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Biophysicist William C. Levengood recently passed away. Mr. Levengood, who suggested during telephone conversations in 2010 that I call him Lefty, lived to see many decades of the ufology circus and its tent of hypotheses, research, exaggerations, hoaxes, lies and everything else it contains. As many are aware, Lefty became well known around ufology for his willingness to try to apply scientific research to what he termed crop formations and bovine mutilations. He conducted experiments in his Michigan laboratory and did field work.

I contacted Lefty in 2010 in order to inquire about some points he had previously addressed in some of his research. He was quite willing to discuss his work with me and agreed it would be a good idea for me to record our conversations. He proceeded to tell me about such things as the "most unusual crop formation" he had ever seen. That was of reasonable interest coming from a guy who stated he had personally examined plants from over 300 formations. The most unusual, Lefty explained, was located in Kansas.

"It had no bent nodes," he said, "the crops were not knocked down, there were no expulsion cavities, there were no visible signs, except, in these circles, the wheat grew at a different (increased) height!"

The formation was further described in Crop Circles, Part Three, one of a series of posts I published in April and May of 2011 with the help and contributions of stiver. This week stiver pieced together some more of Lefty's statements from my 2010 interviews and offered them below:





My personal favorite Lefty story was about a female self-described abductee and an experiment that involved hair curlers and mustard seeds. Lefty instructed the woman to place a curler containing seeds in her hair each night before bed. She would then label each curler with a date while keeping a journal of any unusual experiences she might perceive. Again from Crop Circles, Part Three:

"He [Lefty] said the woman followed instructions very well, doing an excellent job of documenting details of her activities. Every seven days Levengood would retrieve the hair curlers from the previous week while supplying her with seven more, each packed with a plastic capsule containing seeds. He would then dig the plastic capsule out of each returned curler, review the related written information, and, interestingly enough, plant the seeds. He eventually came across the journal entry indicating an experience of high strangeness and the corresponding plastic capsule.

"'My God, I was dumbfounded,' Levengood recalled.

"The two halves of the capsule shell were melted together, he said, and the entire capsule appeared to be imploded. He carefully worked at the capsule long enough to separate the two halves, at which time he said it made a whooshing noise, indicating it had been placed under some kind of vacuum.

"'It was heated, of course,' he said...

"According to Levengood, the seeds were not wasted. Quite the contrary. Levengood stated the seeds in question grew with 'increased vigor,' significantly outgrowing the other seeds!"

Controversial and willing to take the heat, pardon the pun, Lefty contributed significantly to the UFO community in a variety of ways. In addition to his clever experiments, he also published a number of professional research papers. Lefty hypothesized that some crop formations may result from natural phenomena and that ion electron avalanches might play key roles. Some of his peer reviewed research papers were challenged and some were not.

My interest in Lefty's work wound The UFO Trail through several circumstances, one of which was the blog of Dr. Jacques Vallee. Suffice it to say the doctor had some of his own extremely interesting ideas about crop formations that offered possible explanations much more down to earth than popularly discussed.

The publishing of my above referenced series of posts on crop circles also resulted in some exchanges with the ever skeptical Lance Moody. I recall that Lance challenged some of the material, resulting in what I recall to have been a productive exchange of credible information and personal interpretations between Lance and I. That interaction indeed built a foundation for what became my respect for Lance Moody's opinions, as well as increasing my appreciation for constructive critical inquiry, an activity that Lefty, as well as Lance, also encouraged.

William C. Levengood was not without controversy. Neither was he without critics. He did, however, do more than his part in challenging researchers to up their crop circle and cattle mute games. If more accurate ways to interpret and analyze the phenomena than currently employed are not utilized in our lifetimes, it's no fault of Lefty's.
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« Reply #322 on: Nov 18th, 2014, 3:13pm »

Carolnistri.

re : At Marilyn's request, I provided dust samples from my own home for Levengood’s analysis. When the results came back, I was shocked to learn that the samples were laden with pseudo-crystals and hollow spheres!..

is it known if this person also provided a control sample to another lab. or kept a sample for them self for later analysis ?

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on Nov 18th, 2014, 3:13pm, INT21 wrote:
Carolnistri.

re : At Marilyn's request, I provided dust samples from my own home for Levengood’s analysis. When the results came back, I was shocked to learn that the samples were laden with pseudo-crystals and hollow spheres!..

is it known if this person also provided a control sample to another lab. or kept a sample for them self for later analysis ?

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That's the problem and there is a lot of junk probably in the dust in our houses including dust mites and other organisms and could be just natural debris of one kind or another.
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« Reply #324 on: Nov 19th, 2014, 12:28pm »

If I recall correctly, biophysicist Levengood never published an actual paper on the woman in question and the related seeming anomalies. It's been a while since I last listened in their entirety to the interviews he gave me, but that's how I remember it. He specifically said that he could do an entire day's lecture on her alone, but I do not think he ever more formally composed an accounting of the evidence, its chain of custody and so on. It remained anecdotal to the best of my knowledge.

I do not think the following was the case with Levengood but, in my opinion, a big reason that many 'abductologists' do not employ forensic experts and more traditional investigative techniques is that they fear the outcomes will damage their poorly constructed hypotheses. I particularly recall testimony from a podcaster who claimed that he offered to introduce a high profile abduction-researcher to a medical professional he knew who was interested in the alleged disappearing fetus syndrome and had the resources to substantially contribute to its investigation. The abduction-researcher wanted nothing to do with it.

Similar circumstances were demonstrated by David Jacobs. While Temple defended his offensive and extremely bizarre actions as limited to collecting oral histories, that was clearly not entirely accurate. Jacobs actually claimed during an interview that he collected physical samples and checked for forensic evidence on multiple occasions. Not only did the tests conducted fail to result in support for his theories, but he failed to make details of such tests and their reports publicly available, all while Temple falsely claimed he never even collected such samples.

Another clear case of obfuscation of data collection surrounding reported abductions was the Ambient Monitoring Project. We could go on and on about failed opportunities and their rationalization, whatever all the ultimate causes may be.

Again, I did not interpret Levengood to be particularly problematic in that area. The genre as a whole is indeed so, however. An argument could be made that its survival depends on it. The problem, of course, is that what legitimate mysteries and circumstances of interest may actually exist become lost in the ill advised fanatical promotion of unsupported claims.
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« Reply #325 on: Nov 20th, 2014, 03:54am »

A comprison study should be easy,you go to several houses that the owner says was not visited by "aliens" and you look for the glass beads there,if none is found than you um,go on from there.. wink
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on Nov 19th, 2014, 12:28pm, jjflash wrote:
If I recall correctly, biophysicist Levengood never published an actual paper on the woman in question and the related seeming anomalies. It's been a while since I last listened in their entirety to the interviews he gave me, but that's how I remember it. He specifically said that he could do an entire day's lecture on her alone, but I do not think he ever more formally composed an accounting of the evidence, its chain of custody and so on. It remained anecdotal to the best of my knowledge.

I do not think the following was the case with Levengood but, in my opinion, a big reason that many 'abductologists' do not employ forensic experts and more traditional investigative techniques is that they fear the outcomes will damage their poorly constructed hypotheses. I particularly recall testimony from a podcaster who claimed that he offered to introduce a high profile abduction-researcher to a medical professional he knew who was interested in the alleged disappearing fetus syndrome and had the resources to substantially contribute to its investigation. The abduction-researcher wanted nothing to do with it.

Similar circumstances were demonstrated by David Jacobs. While Temple defended his offensive and extremely bizarre actions as limited to collecting oral histories, that was clearly not entirely accurate. Jacobs actually claimed during an interview that he collected physical samples and checked for forensic evidence on multiple occasions. Not only did the tests conducted fail to result in support for his theories, but he failed to make details of such tests and their reports publicly available, all while Temple falsely claimed he never even collected such samples.

Another clear case of obfuscation of data collection surrounding reported abductions was the Ambient Monitoring Project. We could go on and on about failed opportunities and their rationalization, whatever all the ultimate causes may be.

Again, I did not interpret Levengood to be particularly problematic in that area. The genre as a whole is indeed so, however. An argument could be made that its survival depends on it. The problem, of course, is that what legitimate mysteries and circumstances of interest may actually exist become lost in the ill advised fanatical promotion of unsupported claims.


I do believe that abductions take place in the mind,no one is taken out of there bedrooms the "abduction" takes place in the mind.
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« Reply #327 on: Nov 20th, 2014, 06:12am »

I have never, up until now had need or want to tell you to shut the **** up.
Here is a ufocasebook page, the abductors t5hat do not abduct come in vehicles like these, that apparently do not exist.. The one from Grangemouth is about a quarter of a mile from my home.
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« Reply #328 on: Nov 20th, 2014, 06:27am »

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...I have never, up until now had need or want to tell you to shut the **** up...

Not a very nice way to address a fellow member who's opinions are of equal value to your own.



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« Reply #329 on: Nov 20th, 2014, 06:37am »

Carolnistri,

...I do believe that abductions take place in the mind,no one is taken out of there bedrooms the "abduction" takes place in the mind...

Inside the head is one place where such occurrences happen on a regular basis.

We know them as dreams. A realm where the strangest things can happen yet no one else can see.

So you may be right.

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