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« Reply #435 on: Jun 17th, 2015, 8:46pm »

JACK,

I ALWAYS RESPECT YOUR INSIGHTS AND OPINIONS...

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AND CLUELESS ABOUT EXPERIENCES BEYOND HIS TRAINING ~ cool ~ BUT I GET THE COPING MECHANISMS INVOLVED ~ CERTAINLY ~ IF IT AIDS THOSE WHOM ARE IN A MENTAL FLUX ~ I'M DOWN WITH IT LIKE FOUR FLAT TIRES... grin

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« Reply #436 on: Jun 17th, 2015, 9:24pm »

I'm suggesting that a high percentage of self-described alien abductees suffer from untreated emotional trauma which contributes to their confusion about events that did not include extraterrestrials. That does not have to mean that none of the reports are of interest or that all of them have the same explanation, but to fail to acknowledge that witness confusion accounts for a large number of reports is ignoring the reality of the situation, in my confident opinion.

It has been cited in this thread (and readers can certainly conduct research on their own and establish) that studies now show emotional trauma literally alters the physiology of the brain. That can particularly be the case in children.

Key points here, please: Parts of the brain altered and stunted are those that account for such functions as critical thinking, memory and putting events in chronological order. In other words, traumatized individuals may experience a great deal of difficulty identifying details of traumatic events, including when they happened and what happened. It is common that they fail to understand the reasons their narrations may not make sense or even be logistically possible. Fragmented memories are common, as is the misunderstanding that the event is recurring. The extent of trauma is not dependent on the event, but how the event is perceived, and the condition and resulting symptoms are not unusual by any means. I assert that traumatized people find refuge in the UFO community, and that some unethical investigators particularly exploit them.

I am suggesting that in many cases of reported abductions, nothing particularly out of the ordinary even occurred at the time of the supposed abduction. Sometimes the specific date is not even available, it's just a distant memory. I think that often the individual is confused about untreated childhood trauma and a variety of additional circumstances combine to weave the narrative. Such circumstances include overeager "investigators" who do not encourage treatment for trauma, a UFO community that touts relatively mundane symptoms as indications of alien abductions, and attempts to sort out memories of alleged abductions that were years in the past, if they happened at all.

The result is the literal manufacture of alien abductees. Again, I am not asserting that all reports of high strangeness should be discarded, but to deny that a high percentage of alleged abductees are simply misinterpreting the circumstances is detrimental to a search for the truth. If it can't be established that something, whatever it may be, happened during an alleged abduction in an objective reality, one would be wise to assume that is because it didn't, or at least that would be the case pending more conclusive information.

On the other hand, the people may often experience anxiety, deep emotions and related symptoms of trauma because terrible circumstances indeed befell them, they just didn't necessarily have anything to do with aliens. The events may have been at another time and under different circumstances altogether than suspected. That is what trauma is, folks. The stuff I'm writing here is not an original theory or fringe idea by any means, but what would be considered generally accepted common knowledge among mental health professionals and trauma specialists that don't have UFO-related agendas.

If you want to establish alien abduction as a literal occurrence, then you indeed have to establish it. You can't keep trying to come at it from all different kinds of indirect angles and using poor investigative techniques just because you can't establish it any other way, at least not and do so with any integrity and credibility.
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« Reply #437 on: Jun 17th, 2015, 10:01pm »

JACK,

WE HAVE SYS ENTERING STAGE RIGHT...

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"Key points here, please: Parts of the brain altered and stunted are those that account for such functions as critical thinking, memory and putting events in chronological order. In other words, traumatized individuals may experience a great deal of difficulty identifying details of traumatic events, including when they happened and what happened. It is common that they fail to understand the reasons their narrations may not make sense or even be logistically possible. Fragmented memories are common, as is the misunderstanding that the event is recurring. The extent of trauma is not dependent on the event, but how the event is perceived, and the condition and resulting symptoms are not unusual by any means. I assert that traumatized people find refuge in the UFO community, and that some unethical investigators particularly exploit them."

TOUCHY ~ TOUCHY ~ ARE WE...HEY JACK...I'M QUITE IN AGREEMENT WITH THE ABOVE REFERENCED QUOTE!

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« Reply #438 on: Jun 17th, 2015, 11:15pm »

I have evidence (photos) to proved the aliens, Grey( photo only show three grey 's head), big flying saucer ( I have no proved it is mechanic or bio- type) all exist, And they have been described by abductee before. Was abduction really happened? Figure out by yourself ! To me, some cases are true.
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« Reply #439 on: Jun 18th, 2015, 10:43am »

on Jun 17th, 2015, 11:15pm, Sam wrote:
I have evidence (photos) to proved the aliens, Grey( photo only show three grey 's head), big flying saucer ( I have no proved it is mechanic or bio- type) all exist, And they have been described by abductee before. Was abduction really happened? Figure out by yourself ! To me, some cases are true.


Why don't you post your photos of evidence Sam so we can all see them?
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« Reply #440 on: Jun 18th, 2015, 6:42pm »


That gave me a thought Drwu.

If/when, we finally have the technology to project on a screen, hologram,etc., an accurate depiction of what the eyes have seen, would that count ?

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« Reply #441 on: Jun 18th, 2015, 8:54pm »

on Jun 18th, 2015, 6:42pm, Cliff-67 wrote:
That gave me a thought Drwu.

If/when, we finally have the technology to project on a screen, hologram,etc., an accurate depiction of what the eyes have seen, would that count ?



Count as what Cliff? I'm not sure what you mean.
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« Reply #442 on: Jun 19th, 2015, 12:21am »



If/when, we finally have the technology to project on a screen, hologram,etc., an accurate depiction of what a persons eyes have seen, would that count as evidence ?
(Sorry, I left some of that out Drwu.) smiley

@ JJFlash - Hi JJ smiley

I respect what you're doing here and agree in many areas, thank you ! I don't mean to go out on a tangent with the above question since we do not have that technology - yet.

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As part of his regular testing of patients, Russo used his $200,000 dense-array electroencephalography, or DEEG, machine — the only one of its kind in Hawaii — to map the electrical activity in the brains of his patients.


This is interesting and worth further studying. Again, thank you ! smiley

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« Reply #443 on: Jun 19th, 2015, 10:03am »

Thanks, Cliff. Yeah, it is interesting. Those who might like to read some more about what may be happening in the brain during perceptions of unusual experiences might choose to read some about work conducted by Michael Persinger. I particularly found his work as described by Susan Blackmore very interesting.
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« Reply #444 on: Jun 19th, 2015, 10:22am »

on Jun 19th, 2015, 12:21am, Cliff-67 wrote:
If/when, we finally have the technology to project on a screen, hologram,etc., an accurate depiction of what a persons eyes have seen, would that count as evidence ?
(Sorry, I left some of that out Drwu.) smiley




If we could accurately depict what they 'saw' then I suppose it would count as evidence ...but would we ever be 100% certain it was what they saw or what they 'thought they saw'?
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« Reply #445 on: Jun 19th, 2015, 10:24am »

on Jun 19th, 2015, 10:03am, jjflash wrote:
Thanks, Cliff. Yeah, it is interesting. Those who might like to read some more about what may be happening in the brain during perceptions of unusual experiences might choose to read some about work conducted by Michael Persinger. I particularly found his work as described by Susan Blackmore very interesting.


Thanks for the links....Persinger has been around for a long time postulating his theories about what people are experiencing regarding ufo type phenomena.
Looking forward to reading that article on him.

From the article:
"I'm taking part in a vanguard experiment on the physical sources of spiritual consciousness, the current work-in-progress of Michael Persinger, a neuropsychologist at Canada's Laurentian University in Sudbury, Ontario. His theory is that the sensation described as "having a religious experience" is merely a side effect of our bicameral brain's feverish activities. Simplified considerably, the idea goes like so: When the right hemisphere of the brain, the seat of emotion, is stimulated in the cerebral region presumed to control notions of self, and then the left hemisphere, the seat of language, is called upon to make sense of this nonexistent entity, the mind generates a "sensed presence."

Persinger has tickled the temporal lobes of more than 900 people before me and has concluded, among other things, that different subjects label this ghostly perception with the names that their cultures have trained them to use - Elijah, Jesus, the Virgin Mary, Mohammed, the Sky Spirit. Some subjects have emerged with Freudian interpretations - describing the presence as one's grandfather, for instance - while others, agnostics with more than a passing faith in UFOs, tell something that sounds more like a standard alien-abduction story."
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UFO Community Members Weigh in on Dubious MUFON Speakers

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"We hope to bridge the gap between science and ufology. They're one in the same."

- MUFON International Director Jan Harzan, 'Las Vegas Sun'


Concerns were expressed in the wake of the Roswell Slides debacle about organizations such as the Mutual UFO Network continuing to promote those who supported and enabled the empty claims surrounding the alleged slides. Don Schmitt was quickly back in the spotlight at a recent MUFON PA event, for instance, and beWITNESS promoter Jaime Maussan was invited to speak at the upcoming 2015 MUFON Symposium. MUFON WI Assistant State Director and Chief Investigator Mark O'Connell subsequently urged the organization to remove Maussan from the list of speakers. He also requested MUFON ban Maussan and Schmitt from future events, along with their slides colleagues Tom Carey, Richard Dolan and Anthony Bragalia. It seems Adam Dew has relatively removed himself from ufology, at least as compared to his beWITNESS associates and for the time being.

Further consideration reveals the challenges to be common and merely among the latest of what is relatively standard operating procedure concerning the low quality of speakers and information typically offered. MUFON and the North American UFO community in particular have systemic problems of credibility and poor quality of information circulated, as observable in not only the invitation extended to Jaime Maussan to speak at the annual MUFON conference, but the additional inclusion of such questionable figures as Paul Hellyer. Many people particularly object to the circumstances in light of the organization's claim to be dedicated to the scientific study of UFOs, an assertion now so widely taken for granted as false that it no longer even generates significant discussion.

Adding insult to injury is an upcoming MUFON PA event in which the keynote speaker is yet another dubious figure, Dr. David Jacobs, who, as of this blog post, quite questionably continues to claim to be a "strong advocate of strict scientific and ethical research methodology." Trouble is that if those claims were to be taken any more seriously than the underachieved MUFON mission statement, Jacobs has been repeatedly shown to fail miserably at actually implementing such purported advocacy into his own work. The retired historian's so-called investigations were conclusively demonstrated to be extremely ethically questionable and completely absent scientific merit. Nonetheless, MUFON is opting to roll out the red carpet and present him with a lifetime achievement award, as if it had no knowledge of either the actual definition of science or Jacobs' confirmed actions, detrimental to both his research subjects and the quality of the genre's collective body of information.

Several members of the UFO community were recently contacted and asked to submit comment on the above circumstances for inclusion in this blog post. Following are their most appreciated contributions.

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on Jun 25th, 2015, 10:47am, jjflash wrote:
UFO Community Members Weigh in on Dubious MUFON Speakers

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http://ufotrail.blogspot.com/2015/06/ufo-community-members-weigh-in-on.html


It was recently brought to my attention that the International UFO Congress is currently in the selection process for speakers for its 2016 event, and suggestions from the public are requested. Suggestions for speakers and/or related concerns about the process may be sent to:

contact@ufocongress.com

Learn more at:

http://ufocongress.com/speakers/
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« Reply #448 on: Jun 27th, 2015, 9:57pm »

The lack of finding good people seems endemic to us. I cant speak to the Europeans, but those links of JJ clearly show they have moved on to a more..for lack of a better word holistic approach using the historical record for times, events, cultura contexts ..I believe they are ahead of us in understanding and adapting to some of the theories originating, but not followed up in the same manner, here.

I don't doubt for second..that early traumas..can like an embedded sleeper cell..be activated under certain conditions that would be considered remote and totally disconnected..like a scene on a billboard..or large get flying overhead , while driving, half of which is almost trance like anyway..no preconditioning scripting or chemical exposure necessary like the old Manchurian programming did. I don't doubt either for a second that the latter programming has been quite fashionable and provided some, despite the collateral damage to volunteers and involunteers an acceptable cost, useful tips to the PTB. With good control of the media..nd repetitive stimuli ..you can bamboozle an entire population..they read in the middle of a recession the economy is great..they believe it..
promote fear..they will see a terrorist around every corner..
Asteroid approaching..
If one can imagine the stress entire groups are under as a cloud....then any element in that cloud might ignite inexplicably but not unpredictably. It does not have to be therefore a blunt trauma..an early child hood abuse.or personal injury but a societal byproduct in nature...its how the brain copes with any sudden overload..usually a shutdown..barely remembered..when its a deliberate experiment then for all sakes and purposes your brain has been hijacked or abducted..with the window dressing added afterwards.
Being sensitive creatures .we are aware at all times of cognitive dissonance..holding conflicting opinions..and sensing when others do as well..sometimes the conflict is managed and we function normally with family and peers..
other times..the results can be out of this world for the individual..and for entire communities as in the past and present.

















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« Reply #449 on: Jul 13th, 2015, 11:55pm »

The article below is very relevant to hypnotic regression and so-called memory retrieval procedures typically used by the American UFO community.

Tormented by a past that never was...


The legacy of implanted Satanic abuse ‘memories’ is still causing damage today

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July 13, 2015

When 21-year-old nurse Carol Felstead went to her doctor complaining of repeated headaches, she wasn’t just prescribed painkillers. Instead, she was referred for psychotherapy that would ultimately involve hypnosis to “recover” so-called repressed memories of childhood sexual abuse. Carol subsequently came to believe that her parents were the leaders of a Satanic cult and that her mother murdered another of her children, sat Carol on top of the body and then set fire to the family home.

But these allegations were untrue and the memories they were based upon were incorrect. Today, almost 30 years on, “recovered memory therapy” has been discredited by the scientific and academic community and is known to implant false memories, apparent memories for events that never actually happened.

Experimental psychologists have repeatedly demonstrated the ease with which false memories can be implanted in a sizeable proportion of the population under well-controlled laboratory conditions. But it is also undoubtedly the case that such false memories can arise spontaneously as well as in the context of psychotherapy.

Although we are typically not consciously aware of it, we often have to judge whether an apparent memory is real. Is it based upon mental events that were purely internally generated (for example, by imagination or a dream) or based upon events which really took place in the external world?

Implanting false memories

One of the techniques that has been shown to result in false memories is asking people to imagine events that never actually took place. It appears that, eventually and especially in people with good imaginations, the memory of the imagined event is misinterpreted as a memory for a real event. The use of hypnotic regression is a particularly powerful means to implant false memories.

The correct chronology in Carol Felstead’s case is as follows: there was another daughter who was ill from birth and she died in hospital in 1962 from problems associated with a defective heart. The house fire was a tragic accident that occurred in 1963 and made the front page news of the local newspaper. But Carol was born in 1964. These events happened before she was alive. Carol later falsely claimed to have given birth to six babies who were meant to have been conceived and ritually sacrificed by the Satanic cult. Her medical records show that Carol was never pregnant.

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Carol cut off contact with her family, changed her name to Carole Myers, and died in 2005, aged 41, in circumstances that are still unexplained. Prior to receiving psychotherapy, she was a bright and intelligent young woman with her life ahead of her. Her story highlights the inherent dangers associated with unproven psycho-therapeutic techniques which seek to recover putative repressed memories of childhood trauma, in particular childhood sexual abuse.

The latter is an abhorrent crime that can have devastating consequences for victims. Yet, while we must not lose sight of this, it is also important to remember that no one benefits from false allegations. Victims of childhood sexual abuse have difficulty forgetting –- not remembering -– what happened. False memory also has serious consequences and can lead to family breakdown and miscarriages of justice.

False memories aren’t limited to cases of alleged childhood abuse. The field of anomalistic psychology attempts to propose and, where possible, empirically test explanations for bizarre experiences based purely upon accepted psychological principles. Based upon my own anomalistic psychology research and that of others, there is little doubt in my mind that sincerely held bizarre memories of past lives and alien abductions are best explained as being false memories. Such memories can sometimes be distressing for those that hold them but rarely cause distress for others.

Unfortunately, this is not true of Satanic abuse claims. For many people, it is all too easy to believe, even in the absence of convincing evidence, that memories of childhood sexual abuse may be repressed and then recovered during psychotherapy. This is partly because it is sadly true that such abuse is a lot more common than was once accepted.

But it is also because Freud’s pseudoscientific influence lingers on. The psychoanalytic notion of repression is that when something extremely traumatic happens an automatic involuntary defence mechanism kicks in that pushes the memory for the trauma into an inaccessible part of the mind. But this is simply not supported by the empirical evidence.

Helping victims

The only definitive way to tell false memories from real ones is by reference to independent external evidence. Subjectively, false memories can be every bit as detailed and compelling as real ones. The best that can be hoped for is that, by appealing to external evidence, one can convince the victim that their memories do not reflect reality thus converting them into what psychologists refer to as “non-believed memories”.

In the case of Carol Felstead, it would have been a very easy matter to have checked her claims with the documented historical record and to have established that they were delusions. Instead, those that treated her uncritically accepted her account and fuelled those delusions.

Allegations of childhood abuse should always be listened to and examined carefully. But we must treat stories based on “recovered memories” with the level of scepticism they deserve.

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https://theconversation.com/the-legacy-of-implanted-satanic-abuse-memories-is-still-causing-damage-today-43755
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