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« Reply #450 on: Jul 14th, 2015, 09:56am »

From JJ's article above:
"The only definitive way to tell false memories from real ones is by reference to independent external evidence. Subjectively, false memories can be every bit as detailed and compelling as real ones. The best that can be hoped for is that, by appealing to external evidence, one can convince the victim that their memories do not reflect reality thus converting them into what psychologists refer to as “non-believed memories”.


I suspect this applies to many or even most so-called 'alien abduction' cases.
We have seen from past research and investigation into these events that some abduction 'researchers' have a vested interest in maintaining their own beliefs and approach at the expense of those who need help.
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« Reply #451 on: Jul 16th, 2015, 11:13pm »

My latest at 'The UFO Trail' considers the dark history of collaborations between the intelligence community and mental health professionals in which objectives included inducing false memories, and how research and development may have overlapped with ufology:

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« Reply #452 on: Jul 27th, 2015, 10:55pm »

on Jul 21st, 2015, 2:09pm, jjflash wrote:
As fate would have it, ZETAR, I happen to currently be rather submersed in the work of Carol Rainey and aspects of the Cortile case for my own forthcoming work. Among other sources, I'd very much recommend the following vid. The case is indeed an interesting set of circumstances with a lot of implications, and I'd confidently say it unfortunately looks like the UFO community was once again taken for a ride.







Learn more at Carol Rainey's YouTube channel.
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« Reply #453 on: Aug 1st, 2015, 09:51am »

In his latest essay for the UFO community, Dr. Tyler Kokjohn considers the implications of why those who support Dr. David Jacobs and suggest there are additional circumstances surrounding the Emma Woods-David Jacobs debacle don't present evidence of those circumstances. Why does the UFO community continue to downplay the significance of the actions of Jacobs and fail to address what is taking place?:

https://jayvay.wordpress.com/2015/07/31/unhelpful-hints-deflection-and-withholding-evidence-in-the-david-jacobs-scandal/
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« Reply #454 on: Aug 1st, 2015, 1:39pm »

What has this got to do with UFOs?
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« Reply #455 on: Aug 4th, 2015, 09:40am »

I thought for sure that JJ would have answered Carol's obvious question by now being 3 days out but......if one cares to read the title of the thread: Critical Analysis of Research of Alien Abduction- the answer is self contained. This thread and JJ's posts are about the analysis of alleged alien abductions (allegedly aliens come out of ufos), the reports, and how these cases have been handled or mishandled by various people and groups.
Pretty obvious indeed as is the connection to ufos.

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« Reply #456 on: Aug 7th, 2015, 09:55am »

Jeremy Vaeni on David Jacobs and Supporters: 'Time for Some Answers'

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Jeremy Vaeni hosts 'The Experience', a popular show at 'Unknown Country'. He also maintains the blog, 'JayVay'. Back in 2010, he and co-host Jeff Ritzmann were producing 'Paratopia', a podcast in which the two extensively covered the scandalous handling of the Emma Woods case by author and investigator of alleged alien abduction, Dr. David Jacobs. Their coverage of the disturbing circumstances led to Vaeni's much read and discussed 'UFO Magazine' article, 'Aliens Versus Predator: The Incredible Visitations at Emma Woods'.

Jacobs and his apologists persist in evading discussion of the relevant issues, while chronically implying there are extenuating circumstances that justify the conduct of Jacobs. Now, some five years later, they continue to fail to disclose details of any such circumstances, causing some to ask why the evidence should not be interpreted as it appears. The weekend of July 24, Jeremy Vaeni extended invitations to David Jacobs, Richard Dolan and Peter Robbins to guest on 'The Experience', account for their positions on the Emma Woods case and explain their related previous statements.

Permission was subsequently sought by 'The UFO Trail' to pose some questions to Jeremy Vaeni about the situation for a blog post. He cooperatively agreed. Following are the questions and his responses.

'The UFO Trail': The reasons you would invite David Jacobs to guest on your show to discuss his actions with Emma Woods and his resulting stance on the issues are self-explanatory. Would you please summarize why you invited Richard Dolan and Peter Robbins to explain and account for their positions?

Jeremy Vaeni: I can concisely answer this by giving you the email I sent all three of them. It was this:

Aloha, Gents:

I recently watched yet another person on an internet forum defend David against the Emma Woods charges by citing a personal confirmation from Peter that he was to be trusted, as if there were some secret facts about the Emma Woods tapes/claims to which we are not privy. And then it occurred to me: it's 2015. Jeff Ritzmann and I brought this to the public in 2010. So where are these facts? What is the defense? It's been five years.

Richard, you too have used this line, or one similar to it, in staving off the question of whether or not a soon-to-be lifetime achievement winner in ufology was on the level when he told a woman under hypnosis that she had multiple personality disorder, so that aggressive hybrids would read her mind about his belief and leave him alone.

Another time, David, we hear you prescribing a chastity belt with nails at the vaginal opening to ward off--or at least anger--hybrid rapists who frequently attacked her. Was that the type of scientific rigor you've talked about practicing? Or is there more to the story that we've all been clueless about, left in the dark for five years?

Will any or all of you gentlemen come on my show and explain this once and for all so we can move on?

Thanks for considering. I look forward to hearing from you.

Sincerely,

Jeremy Vaeni

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http://ufotrail.blogspot.com/2015/08/jeremy-vaeni-on-david-jacobs-and.html
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« Reply #457 on: Aug 7th, 2015, 12:01pm »

Thanks for the update JJ.
I don't think anyone will ever get any straight answers from Jacobs about this case since doing so would make him look even worse than he already has over the years when it comes to his 'work' in the ufo abduction area.
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« Reply #458 on: Aug 7th, 2015, 8:17pm »

Thanks, Doc. You're probably right, and I thought Jeremy covered the bases pretty well, too. There's really just nothing good that can be said about a situation like Jacobs' handling of the Woods case and his peers enabling it. I think it's reasonable to hold them accountable for their failure - after some five years now - to specify why it is the evidence presented by Woods should not be accepted. For MUFON, an org purportedly dedicated to scientific study, to offer Jacobs a lifetime achievement award should arguably be considered an insult to the entire UFO community.

I think another key point Jeremy made was that Emma is not the only such exploited individual, far from it. She just happens to be among the most outspoken. There are lots of them out there.
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« Reply #459 on: Aug 11th, 2015, 10:47am »

My latest post at 'The UFO Trail' begins like this:


MUFON, Sham Inquiry and the Woods/Jacobs Scandal

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Retired historian, author and investigator of alleged alien abduction Dr. David Jacobs will be presented a lifetime achievement award at an upcoming conference conducted by MUFON PA in Philadelphia. Jacobs is also the keynote speaker for the October event. In a bio on his website, Jacobs purports to be "a strong advocate of strict scientific and ethical research methodology," and MUFON purports via its mission statement to be dedicated to "the scientific study of UFOs for the benefit of humanity."

Well, I'm always up for some good strict scientific info on UFOs, so hot [dang]! This outghta be great, right?

Right?

I emailed MUFON Executive Director Jan Harzan and MUFON PA State Director John Ventre and asked permission to pose a few questions. For the sake of accuracy and context I will share an August 8 email exchange, rather than summarize it, that subsequently occurred with Ventre. I will then present what I interpret to be significant points of interest.

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http://ufotrail.blogspot.com/2015/08/mufon-sham-inquiry-and-woodsjacobs.html
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« Reply #460 on: Aug 11th, 2015, 12:34pm »

JACK,

TO WIT:

"I emailed MUFON Executive Director Jan Harzan and MUFON PA State Director John Ventre and asked permission to pose a few questions. For the sake of accuracy and context I will share an August 8 email exchange, rather than summarize it, that subsequently occurred with Ventre. I will then present what I interpret to be significant points of interest."

THIS OUGHT TO BE INTERESTING ~ wink ~ DO KEEP US POSTED ON ANY DEVELOPMENTS!
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« Reply #461 on: Aug 11th, 2015, 1:10pm »

Thanks for your interest, ZETAR. An email exchange with MUFON PA State Director John Ventre and my related thoughts are in the blog post:

http://ufotrail.blogspot.com/2015/08/mufon-sham-inquiry-and-woodsjacobs.html
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« Reply #462 on: Aug 23rd, 2015, 8:23pm »

Looking Back Along 'The UFO Trail'

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As you read this, it is entirely possible that I am sitting at my laptop, surrounded by coffee cups and protein bar wrappers, writing my way through the homestretch of a forthcoming book. The book is about questionable activities conducted by a variety of (quite human) sources within the UFO community.

That's largely what this blog was about in the first place, and earlier this year I decided to write more extensively on the topic. I can certainly empathize with those who find potential paranormal aspects of the UFO phenomenon interesting, but I reached a point where I was kind of like, "Wow, never mind the aliens and entities, is anybody paying any attention to what those people are doing?!"

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« Reply #463 on: Aug 25th, 2015, 3:04pm »

Food for thought from an interview with Dr. Jacques Vallee conducted approximately 15 years ago:

Vallee: I've also antagonized a lot of people because I think that the way abductions are being handled is wrong. It's not only wrong scientifically, it's wrong morally and ethically. I've been telling people, don't let anyone hypnotize you if you've seen a strange light in the sky. I think a lot of those people prominent in the press and in the National Enquirer and in the talk shows and so on are creating abductees under hypnosis. They are hypnotizing everybody who's ever had a strange experience and telling them they are abductees by suggestion. And they are doing that in good faith. They don't realize what they are doing. But to my way of thinking, that's unethical.

60GCAT: What do you think of John Mack, the Harvard psychologist who believes that alien abductions are a real phenomenon? Of course, he uses hypnosis on his patients to liberate "repressed memories" of those abductions.

Vallee: I respect him for his courage in addressing the issue, but I don't agree with his methods.

I've taken some witnesses who wanted to be hypnotized, taken them to specialists in two cases out of maybe 70 cases of abductions that I've studied. And usually the specialists tell me that hypnosis is not necessarily the best way of helping these people. Nor is it the best way to recover memories. It may help in very specific cases. But I've never hypnotized anybody--I'm not qualified to do it.
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« Reply #464 on: Aug 25th, 2015, 3:38pm »

^ and once again as I said on your other post JJ....everyone here needs to read that interview and Vallee's ideas in general.
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