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« Reply #465 on: Aug 27th, 2015, 11:18am »

Latest updates at 'Emma Woods Files' include contributions from Carol Rainey and Sue Johnson:

http://ufoalienabductee.com/updates-4/


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« Reply #466 on: Aug 27th, 2015, 10:59pm »

I once contacted Dr. Jacobs via email. He never got back to me. So I don't have much good to say about him. However, Kathleen Marden did get back to me and she used my information in her attempts to catalog things that were similar in other people's abductions. It seems she is real big into statistics as far as alien contact or abduction goes.
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« Reply #467 on: Aug 28th, 2015, 1:47pm »

on Aug 11th, 2015, 1:10pm, jjflash wrote:
Thanks for your interest, ZETAR. An email exchange with MUFON PA State Director John Ventre and my related thoughts are in the blog post:

http://ufotrail.blogspot.com/2015/08/mufon-sham-inquiry-and-woodsjacobs.html


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I just finished reading this article and I really enjoyed the way you used your questions to try to draw his real motives for Jacobs award.
I agree that MUFON has become nothing more than a pipeline for charlatans to make money off the uninformed!

There is NO scientific method used in any of Jacobs musings and I'm not sure he should be considered for a doctorate in garbage collection. Although he'd be pretty good at it!

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« Reply #468 on: Aug 28th, 2015, 2:20pm »

on Aug 28th, 2015, 1:47pm, LoneGunMan wrote:
JJ,
I just finished reading this article and I really enjoyed the way you used your questions to try to draw his real motives for Jacobs award.
I agree that MUFON has become nothing more than a pipeline for charlatans to make money off the uninformed!

There is NO scientific method used in any of Jacobs musings and I'm not sure he should be considered for a doctorate in garbage collection. Although he'd be pretty good at it!

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Thank you, sir! I sincerely appreciate you sharing that.

Obviously, I agree with you about MUFON, Jacobs and their sham inquiry. No matter what might be said in defense of the paranormal, reported UFO sightings and such, the fact will remain that MUFON and various investigators are misrepresenting their activities as scientific. No way around that, and no excuse for it either, in my opinion.
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« Reply #469 on: Sep 17th, 2015, 11:08am »

In her latest website update, Emma Woods, a critic and former research subject of David Jacobs, presents some discrepancies contained in his recently released book. She quotes and particularly takes issue with his claim that research subjects were not aware of the testimonies of one another, which, Jacobs asserts, increases the credibility of their testimonies obtained during hypnosis.

Woods offers several specific points of contention, and backs them up with nine audio recordings. From the post:

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Dr. Jacobs features the cases of fourteen research subjects in Walking Among Us. He implies that these subjects were unaware of each others testimony, and that therefore the patterns in their testimony are significant.

However, contrary to what Dr. Jacobs implies, his methodology ensures that his subjects are, in fact, aware of the testimony of his other subjects. For example:

- Dr. Jacobs tells his subjects directly, including while they are hypnotized, about his other subjects’ testimony.

- Dr. Jacobs holds regular get-togethers with his current and former subjects at his home.

- Dr. Jacobs updates his subjects on new developments.

- Dr. Jacobs hires his subjects to transcribe each others hypnosis sessions.


Woods then goes on to demonstrate her points via audio recordings, including how Jacobs told her during hypnosis about the alleged statements of other research subjects, as well as the purported actions of otherworldly beings that cannot be proven to so much as exist. She concludes:

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In my considered personal opinion, the audio evidence that I have provided here proves conclusively that Dr. Jacobs’ statements in Walking Among Us implying that his subjects did not know other subjects’ previous testimony, and that therefore the patterns in their testimony is significant, are blatant lies.

In my considered personal opinion, Dr. Jacobs’ methodology, including leading and suggestion while conducting hypnosis, hosting get-togethers with his current and former subjects, updating his subjects on new developments, and arranging for his subjects to transcribe each others hypnosis sessions, purposely ensures that his subjects confabulate false hypnotic memories of a narrative that he wants, without regard to the effects on his subjects.

In my considered personal opinion, Dr. Jacobs’ statements in Walking Among Us are part of a deception intended to promote a narrative that he created through exploitation of his subjects, in order to further an undisclosed agenda.


Listen to the audio clips and read the full post at:

http://ufoalienabductee.com/dr-david-m-jacobs-2/walking-among-us-jacobs-critical-review/david-jacobs-tells-subjects-previous-testimony/
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« Reply #470 on: Sep 26th, 2015, 7:47pm »

David Jacobs Wants Scientists To Take His Work Seriously. A Scientist Does Just That.

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The Unrecognized Revolutions

by Guest Blogger,
Tyler Kokjohn, PhD.

A Review of Walking Among Us: The Alien Plan to Control Humanity by David M. Jacobs


This new book by Dr. Jacobs reports his recent findings regarding the alien abduction phenomenon. Extending the themes he developed and published over an almost 30 year career in abduction work, both the material as well as some prominently featured abductee testimony will probably seem familiar to some readers.

Picking up essentially where his last book, The Threat, ended, Dr. Jacobs dives in with a briefly sketched background providing sparse citations to help any readers new to the topic acquire a broader perspective. The new book is not a scientific treatise; his analyses and conclusions are insufficiently detailed, uncorroborated and based on erroneous approaches. The descriptions of methodology are likewise perfunctory, often little more than reassurances to readers regarding his knowledge and superb skills at rooting out the truth behind the alien abduction mystery. Revolving around Dr. Jacobs so tightly, the book leaves an overall impression of him as an isolated, arrogant investigator dismissive of the ideas of others and disinterested in exploring new opportunities.

Read Dr. Kokjohn's full review at:

https://jayvay.wordpress.com/2015/09/26/david-jacobs-wants-scientists-to-take-his-work-seriously-a-scientist-does-just-that/
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« Reply #471 on: Oct 17th, 2015, 6:21pm »

More audio evidence from the 'Emma Woods Files' of David Jacobs both leading hypnosis subjects and making them aware of the testimony of one another, directly contradicting his claims otherwise. Moreover, it is he, not the hypnosis subject, who initiates the potentially traumatizing subject matter again and again:

Traumatizing Research Subjects

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In addition to leading me while I was hypnotized, Dr. Jacobs often talked to me just before he put me in the hypnotic state about what to expect to remember. One of many instances of him doing this occurred at the beginning of my fourteenth hypnosis session. Dr. Jacobs told me that hybrids had a wide range of sexual desires that were built into them. He said that they knew that they could do anything they pleased, and that you were going to forget all about it. He said that it was a “total power situation”. Dr. Jacobs told me that hybrids were not socialized properly, that they did not have a sense of morality, and that it was because they could abduct people at will and bend them to their will, so they did not need a sense of morality. He said that there were no repercussions, that they did not live in a world where there were any consequences, and that there was no reason for them to be socialized for our customs and sensitivities.

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During the discussion at the beginning of my fourteenth hypnosis session, Dr. Jacobs told me that another subject had been sexually assaulted by three hybrids at once, and that it was “absolutely pure sexual assault.” He said that the hybrids did not care what they did to the woman because they knew she was going to forget, so they could do anything that they wanted to her and they did.

Read the entire post and listen to the accompanying audio clips at:

http://ufoalienabductee.com/dr-david-m-jacobs-2/walking-among-us-jacobs-critical-review/traumatizing-research-subjects/

So-called recovered memory techniques warrant much more critical and rational evaluation than is currently the case in UFO circles. Individuals accepting such stories as promoted in Jacobs' 'Walking Among Us' and similar works without independent corroboration are simply deluding themselves.
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« Reply #472 on: Feb 5th, 2016, 9:28pm »

Some of you might find the latest post at 'The UFO Trail' of interest. It's the first of a two-parter authored by Carol Rainey and titled, 'The Singer's Hybrid Daughter'. It's an excerpt from her in-progress work, 'The Abductionist's Wife: A Memoir'. Check it out at:

http://ufotrail.blogspot.com/2016/02/the-singers-hybrid-daughter-part-i.html

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« Reply #473 on: Feb 8th, 2016, 05:03am »

Do not really have a thing for abduction cases but will check it out.
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« Reply #474 on: Feb 10th, 2016, 11:10am »

on Feb 5th, 2016, 9:28pm, jjflash wrote:
Some of you might find the latest post at 'The UFO Trail' of interest. It's the first of a two-parter authored by Carol Rainey and titled, 'The Singer's Hybrid Daughter'. It's an excerpt from her in-progress work, 'The Abductionist's Wife: A Memoir'. Check it out at:

http://ufotrail.blogspot.com/2016/02/the-singers-hybrid-daughter-part-i.html

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Hello JJ,
Was Rainey (a scientist ) the one married to Hopkins...? I recall she was critical of his work years ago when all of the controversy started. And I think she also co-authored a ufo book with him. Is that right...?
I'll ck out that article.
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« Reply #475 on: Feb 10th, 2016, 9:33pm »

on Feb 10th, 2016, 11:10am, drwu23 wrote:
Hello JJ,
Was Rainey (a scientist ) the one married to Hopkins...? I recall she was critical of his work years ago when all of the controversy started. And I think she also co-authored a ufo book with him. Is that right...?
I'll ck out that article.


Hey, Doc,

Carol Rainey was employed at a medical facility in the Boston area, directing various aspects of putting the doctors' work into film presentations, when she met Budd Hopkins at Cape Cod. She and her team received multiple grants from the NIH, and, as an independent artist, she has received funding and awards from such agencies as the NEA. In 1996 the couple married, and Rainey resided with Hopkins in NYC until their mutually agreed upon divorce ten years later. During that time, she filmed many aspects of the investigative process, acted as an editor, worked with abductees and co-authored 'Sight Unseen'. One of the biggest wrenches to jam the gears was Hopkins' handling of the Jim Mortellaro case, but there were of course numerous issues. If you don't recall the Mortellaro case, that would be because the hoax unraveled before Hopkins could promote it to the extents he did the "Brooklyn Bridge abduction", for instance.

It was in 2010, while living in Morocco and hearing via the Internet about the Emma Woods case, that Rainey opted to present a much more sobering view than normal of investigation of alleged alien abduction in her article, 'The Priests of High Strangeness: Co-Creation of the "Alien Abduction Phenomenon"'. The entire saga is explored rather lengthily in Chapter Six of my book, 'The Greys Have Been Framed: Exploitation in the UFO Community', including insights and info provided by Rainey.

I look forward to posting Part Two of her current post, 'The Singer's Hybrid Daughter'. I think it is relevant and important. Actually, I'd confidently say that Rainey and Woods have collectively - through their written, video and audio work - provided the genre the most realistic accounting of so-called investigation of alien abduction ever published.
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« Reply #476 on: Feb 11th, 2016, 12:26pm »

on Feb 10th, 2016, 9:33pm, jjflash wrote:
Hey, Doc,

Carol Rainey was employed at a medical facility in the Boston area, directing various aspects of putting the doctors' work into film presentations, when she met Budd Hopkins at Cape Cod. She and her team received multiple grants from the NIH, and, as an independent artist, she has received funding and awards from such agencies as the NEA. In 1996 the couple married, and Rainey resided with Hopkins in NYC until their mutually agreed upon divorce ten years later. During that time, she filmed many aspects of the investigative process, acted as an editor, worked with abductees and co-authored 'Sight Unseen'. One of the biggest wrenches to jam the gears was Hopkins' handling of the Jim Mortellaro case, but there were of course numerous issues. If you don't recall the Mortellaro case, that would be because the hoax unraveled before Hopkins could promote it to the extents he did the "Brooklyn Bridge abduction", for instance.

It was in 2010, while living in Morocco and hearing via the Internet about the Emma Woods case, that Rainey opted to present a much more sobering view than normal of investigation of alleged alien abduction in her article, 'The Priests of High Strangeness: Co-Creation of the "Alien Abduction Phenomenon"'. The entire saga is explored rather lengthily in Chapter Six of my book, 'The Greys Have Been Framed: Exploitation in the UFO Community', including insights and info provided by Rainey.

I look forward to posting Part Two of her current post, 'The Singer's Hybrid Daughter'. I think it is relevant and important. Actually, I'd confidently say that Rainey and Woods have collectively - through their written, video and audio work - provided the genre the most realistic accounting of so-called investigation of alien abduction ever published.


Thanks for the info...that all sounds familiar now.
I did read the book she co wrote with Hopkins. I recall it being stranger than his earlier ones.
I also recall the postings online a few years back when she was criticizing the abduction work by her ex husband and Jacobs. The main thrust seemed to be their lack of objective standards and science in general.
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« Reply #477 on: Feb 12th, 2016, 05:08am »

I just recently started reading Exopoliticstongueolitical Implications of the Extraterrestrial Presence by Michael Sala. In Chapter Two of the book he outlines 7 categories of proof of ET presence. One of those was Abduction/Encounter Cases. I won't go into a big book review here but what I drew from the section in the book on this is that Abduction/Encounter cases are strong evidence of ET presence. Thats all well and good but how does one verify these types of cases without independent outside sources?

I mean history buffs have primary and secondary sources to look upon but here there is no such thing. I like to at least see the good in people but one could spend a life time comparing Abduction/Encounter cases. I believe, and its just my opinion that a critical analysis of any of these cases starts with the primary source (the abductee/encounter) and then branches out from there. You have no secondary source to go to in most cases.

http://web.archive.org/web/20080624225134/http://www.virtuallystrange.net/aic/appelle1.htm

But as with anything in Ufology there is a hoax factor and that I think has to be considered especially if one is to draw conclusions based on these reports.

Don't know if anything I wrote made sense but there it is.
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« Reply #478 on: Feb 23rd, 2016, 12:24am »

on Feb 5th, 2016, 9:28pm, jjflash wrote:
Some of you might find the latest post at 'The UFO Trail' of interest. It's the first of a two-parter authored by Carol Rainey and titled, 'The Singer's Hybrid Daughter'. It's an excerpt from her in-progress work, 'The Abductionist's Wife: A Memoir'. Check it out at:

http://ufotrail.blogspot.com/2016/02/the-singers-hybrid-daughter-part-i.html

Jack


With an endorsement from Jacques Vallee, 'The Singer's Hybrid Daughter, Part II' by Carol Rainey is now posted:

http://ufotrail.blogspot.com/2016/02/the-singers-hybrid-daughter-part-ii.html

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It seems timely now, in this era of frighteningly extreme beliefs, to make public my own personal story of how even the unlikeliest person can find herself drawn to enter into an extreme belief system. How she gets caught up in its mythic power, becomes part of the community, and finally, faces the painful fact that she must leave it and people she loves behind. What are the forces that collude to cause a thoroughly modern, educated woman like me to embrace such an unconventional set of beliefs as that of alien abduction and UFOs? It would be easy to explain away by blaming it on my falling in love with and marrying the charismatic leader of this community at the far edges of society. But it’s more than that. There’s a deeper reason, even, than love.

As a filmmaker with a science background, I picked up my video camera to help me understand the beliefs of my husband and the victims who came to him for counsel and hypnosis. Making the film drew me closer into his investigations, case by case. Although many people will argue that it should be an outside observer, not the researcher’s wife, who narrates the story of alien abduction, the fourth great wave of American recovered memory movements. But there is no one else to tell this very personal story. On a day-to-day basis, abduction researchers work alone, with no peer review and no one to double-check their methods and ethics. It was only the abductionist’s wife who saw, first-hand, how researchers could and did shape the alien abduction narrative they wanted -- the terrifyingly invisible alien takeover of the planet and the human species.
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« Reply #479 on: Feb 24th, 2016, 04:53am »


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There are many more such circumstances. There is also no question that many people who find their ways into the UFO community would be much better served by a competent psychoanalyst than an overly enthusiastic hypnotist with grandiose dreams of alien-hunting, or, at the least, they would be better served by actual scientists or professional researchers than people masquerading as such under the camouflage provided by MUFON, ICAR or the like.


Hi Jack, good article by the way. I read back through it and this caught my eye. Let me say before hand that I have serious doubts about the abduction phenomena and agree with most of your article. I do not feel that MUFON or any of the other organizations are responsible for the slight of hand people pull trying to get noticed.

Most of us here know that scammers and con artists run rampant in Ufology.
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