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« Reply #15 on: May 27th, 2014, 3:06pm »

on May 26th, 2014, 07:20am, thelmadonna wrote:
I have had experience with a psychaitrist. Perhaps I am wrong but I found him to be of no help at all. All he wanted to do was prescribe me pills. He couldn't comprehend it. I guess he was following the book.


Hi Thelma,

This doesn't surprise me. If they are not believers than they will view your story as a figment of your imagination which unfortunately could be true of many claiming they were abducted. A prerequisite of any psychiatrist should be an open mind but they view anything out of the ordinary as just plain nuts. If this was the 14th century they'd be cutting your wrist to bleed out the bad blood. I've run into a lot of bad doctors and one that told me that my migraine headaches were all in my head. I told him that I already knew that and that he was a complete moron. I left his office and refused to pay the bill.

The one thing that most people fail to understand is that doctors are people and carry the same prejudices as everyone else. There are some great ones and some very bad ones and the farther away you live from a large metropolitan area the more likely your doctor is a dud. They think they have a pill for everything.

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« Reply #16 on: May 27th, 2014, 4:18pm »

on May 26th, 2014, 09:19am, GForce wrote:
I don't think it can be a simple yes or no answer. It really is something that has to be evaluated on a case to case basis. In some cases it could be helpful for the abductee to get their experience off their chest, it could also help those that have a mental illness and only imagine an abduction.
What it boils down to is the psychiatrist. Do they have an open mind where alien abduction is concerned? Some do most do not.

To be honest most doctors treat mental/emotional symptoms with medications especially those symptoms that are outside the box. In defense of doctors most can't fathom an alien race visiting and abducting humans. But you cannot paint all doctors with the same brush. My sister first doctor wanted to put her in a mental hospital and eventually put her on a lot of medications. However she did find a doctor who viewed her experience differently. I don't know if he believed her experiences were real but he did view them being real to her. He took her off the medications and got her to open up about the experience.

While my sister wasn't exposed to the horrific treatment that many abductee claims she did feel violated since she was taken against her will. Her doctor helped her reclaim he life and not live in fear. It is his belief that the paralyzed fear that abductees feel just before being abducted is not from the aliens but from the abductee own fear. It's his belief that they(aliens) cannot abduct someone who shows no fear. His work with her was and is centered into not giving into fear IE resisting it. Since her treatment has began she has felt their presence but has not been abducted.

I can't say beyond a doubt that her abduction experience really happened but I do know she believes it did and I take her word for it. So in her case I think psychiatry worked. If nothing else it gave her back control of her life and not to live in fear.


Hi Dan,

I'm glad your sister found somebody to help her. I believe a lot of people die or commit suicide because their doctor was an idiot. Her doctor's belief that the aliens cannot abduct someone who shows no fear was probably true in my case. I was never abducted but both of my brothers were abducted multiple times. They could have subdued me with a stun gun of some kind but to simply take control of my thoughts was not possible. I believe it was simply a case of them not willing to take the risk of me injuring or killing them.

I was armed and dangerous and ready to fight a war with all that chose to attack me. The spacecraft that landed I was to learn later was from a typical 4 1/2 feet tall Grey and they usually have four aboard. It would have been like Friday night football and I would have run right through the little bastards blasting them to hell and back. At least that was my thinking at the time and they probably sensed my aggressiveness. I was only aggressive when playing sports or I felt threatened and was otherwise very calm. The aliens intentions were unknown and I wasn't about to show fear. I learned at a young age that showing fear only gives the aggressor strength and more reason to attack. Most fights can be avoided and the bully ends up running in fear afraid of getting his butt kicked. This I believe was exactly what happened with the aliens.

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« Reply #17 on: May 27th, 2014, 6:34pm »

on May 27th, 2014, 4:18pm, JohnnyB wrote:
Hi Dan,

I'm glad your sister found somebody to help her. I believe a lot of people die or commit suicide because their doctor was an idiot. Her doctor's belief that the aliens cannot abduct someone who shows no fear was probably true in my case. I was never abducted but both of my brothers were abducted multiple times. They could have subdued me with a stun gun of some kind but to simply take control of my thoughts was not possible. I believe it was simply a case of them not willing to take the risk of me injuring or killing them.

I was armed and dangerous and ready to fight a war with all that chose to attack me. The spacecraft that landed I was to learn later was from a typical 4 1/2 feet tall Grey and they usually have four aboard. It would have been like Friday night football and I would have run right through the little bastards blasting them to hell and back. At least that was my thinking at the time and they probably sensed my aggressiveness. I was only aggressive when playing sports or I felt threatened and was otherwise very calm. The aliens intentions were unknown and I wasn't about to show fear. I learned at a young age that showing fear only gives the aggressor strength and more reason to attack. Most fights can be avoided and the bully ends up running in fear afraid of getting his butt kicked. This I believe was exactly what happened with the aliens.

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Hi John, there's no question that fear can cause someone to freeze and if you believe like I do fear can feed other energies. My ghost/demon encounters ended only after I stood up to it. I think abduction may work the same way. Maybe it's why I've never been abducted. God knows I've offered myself up to be.

I should point out again that my sisters experience was with the Nordics human looking beings anyway. Maybe that's why she kept the memory of it. She was examined but no implants or internal probes. They may have taken blood I'm not sure there. She wasn't bothered too much at first until she realized she was taken against her will. She said that looking back it was like an out of body dream. Regardless she seems to be doing fine now.
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« Reply #18 on: May 27th, 2014, 8:51pm »

on May 26th, 2014, 09:19am, GForce wrote:
I don't think it can be a simple yes or no answer. It really is something that has to be evaluated on a case to case basis. In some cases it could be helpful for the abductee to get their experience off their chest, it could also help those that have a mental illness and only imagine an abduction.
What it boils down to is the psychiatrist. Do they have an open mind where alien abduction is concerned? Some do most do not.

To be honest most doctors treat mental/emotional symptoms with medications especially those symptoms that are outside the box. In defense of doctors most can't fathom an alien race visiting and abducting humans. But you cannot paint all doctors with the same brush. My sister first doctor wanted to put her in a mental hospital and eventually put her on a lot of medications. However she did find a doctor who viewed her experience differently. I don't know if he believed her experiences were real but he did view them being real to her. He took her off the medications and got her to open up about the experience.

While my sister wasn't exposed to the horrific treatment that many abductee claims she did feel violated since she was taken against her will. Her doctor helped her reclaim he life and not live in fear. It is his belief that the paralyzed fear that abductees feel just before being abducted is not from the aliens but from the abductee own fear. It's his belief that they(aliens) cannot abduct someone who shows no fear. His work with her was and is centered into not giving into fear IE resisting it. Since her treatment has began she has felt their presence but has not been abducted.

I can't say beyond a doubt that her abduction experience really happened but I do know she believes it did and I take her word for it. So in her case I think psychiatry worked. If nothing else it gave her back control of her life and not to live in fear.


Very good post.....I agree that it might do a world of good in some cases. But I definitely think that anyone who has an experience like this should at least rule out a medical problem before accepting that it's aliens. If they get a clean bill of health then by all means look into alternative ideas.
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« Reply #19 on: May 27th, 2014, 10:30pm »

on May 27th, 2014, 8:51pm, drwu23 wrote:
Very good post.....I agree that it might do a world of good in some cases. But I definitely think that anyone who has an experience like this should at least rule out a medical problem before accepting that it's aliens. If they get a clean bill of health then by all means look into alternative ideas.


I agree completely. I think if I were abducted I'd want to have a complete exam from a doctor. Especially looking for a chemical imbalance and also a drug tests to make sure someone didn't slip me something.
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« Reply #20 on: May 28th, 2014, 02:54am »

I cant disagree that in certain cases a medical would be of benefit as illnesses can cause such as hallucinations etc but there are cases that there is no medical answer, driving can be one. Yes we have micro sleep that can cause confusion but that is short lived and ends two ways, total wipe out or luck you waken just in time. We also know that driving a long distance can confuse time hence the return journey always seems quicker so confusion over time taken can also happen, I have come across quite a few cases similar to my own that enters the realms of impossibility, under no circumstance can someone drive for two hours at a steady speed asleep on a basic road let alone a bendy up and down hill road that needs your wits about you and still end up very close to your last memory still at the speed you last recalled. I hate harping on about my own case but itís the best I have knowledge of, now I have repeated the journey several times in different traffic and weather and the results are as they should be, I checked times as in when I left, when I arrived at the quarry and left and when I arrived back and can find no explanation of the missing hours so it did happen only I donít know what happened. The medical side of the incident is that I ended up exhausted and slept for over sixteen hours solid that is not normal for me. now my passenger had to be hospitalized, he was delusional and extremely ill to the point I thought he was about to die on me, now you have to understand that one second we are cracking jokes just having banter on the journey and the next second although it was two hours later although we did not know this at the time we are in a nightmare scenario. If you where sitting typing on your computer then the next thing you know your sitting down to dinner you would wonder what the hell as you know you should have memories of leaving the computer , cooking the meal then setting the table yet it never happened in your mind you would understand the impact such has. Now after a complete medical the only problem they found was that his oxygen count was near void and put it down to being over excited etc only problem being is that how can being relaxed telling a joke be over excitement so the medical report is wrong or something happened that we know nothing about that caused this condition so in this case the medical has increased the confusion. Now when I first started investigating this ET never entered my head and I was thinking military due to my problems with NASA and it was not until a later date after uncovering many hidden military secrets that ET raised his ugly head, now even though I have had missing time I have came to no harm so the need for doctors has never arisen for me and no doubt the same applies for all abductees . where the need for medical invasion comes into play is in societies attitude to the abductee that offers no support, they are alone, they have had an experience they cannot explain and the last thing they need is the added stress and frustration that society throws at them and thatís the big problem, remove this attitude and the abductee can be more open and relaxed about the incident hence no need for medical treatment.
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« Reply #21 on: May 28th, 2014, 11:22am »

on May 27th, 2014, 10:30pm, GForce wrote:
I agree completely. I think if I were abducted I'd want to have a complete exam from a doctor. Especially looking for a chemical imbalance and also a drug tests to make sure someone didn't slip me something.


Hi Dan,

First we need to understand the state of mind after an abduction. My brothers must have been shaking in fear. I say "must have" because I wasn't with them. I can only determine that from their reaction the night I was with them and the spacecraft landed behind our house. I know now the aliens were there to abduct them again. Just the sight of the blue light put them to their knees with absolute fear. Anybody with half that fear would have just wanted to run and hide. After such an event they wouldn't have been thinking about medical help nor would they seek it even if it did cross their minds. I prevented the aliens from abducting them that night as they prevented me from certain injury or death by stopping me from getting closer to the spacecraft.

I laugh when people say things like you should have located your mother's camera and taken a picture. Right and do I ask the aliens to say cheese while they stand by the spacecraft? There is only three things that happens to humans during such an event. One is they cower in total fear like my brothers did that night, two they feel cornered and are willing to fight like I did and three they run like the devil is after them. We did all three that night. Actually there is a forth and that is when somebody has no fear and walks up to an alien or spacecraft and they get clobbered.

They were abducted again when we moved to Spain which was 3,916 miles from our home in the US. This tells me they had some kind of tracking device put into their bodies so the aliens could find them again.

It's easy to sit back and ponder what you would have done when you're in a safe place typing on your computer. Reality is a completely different story.

So all you readers that are legends in your own mind most likely will have to change your underwear after a close encounter.

Have a nice day,

John
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« Reply #22 on: May 28th, 2014, 11:41am »

on May 28th, 2014, 11:22am, JohnnyB wrote:
Hi Dan,

First we need to understand the state of mind after an abduction. My brothers must have been shaking in fear. I say "must have" because I wasn't with them. I can only determine that from their reaction the night I was with them and the spacecraft landed behind our house. I know now the aliens were there to abduct them again. Just the sight of the blue light put them to their knees with absolute fear. Anybody with half that fear would have just wanted to run and hide. After such an event they wouldn't have been thinking about medical help nor would they seek it even if it did cross their minds. I prevented the aliens from abducting them that night as they prevented me from certain injury or death by stopping me from getting closer to the spacecraft.

I laugh when people say things like you should have located your mother's camera and taken a picture. Right and do I ask the aliens to say cheese while they stand by the spacecraft? There is only three things that happens to humans during such an event. One is they cower in total fear like my brothers did that night, two they feel cornered and are willing to fight like I did and three they run like the devil is after them. We did all three that night. Actually there is a forth and that is when somebody has no fear and walks up to an alien or spacecraft and they get clobbered.

They were abducted again when we moved to Spain which was 3,916 miles from our home in the US. This tells me they had some kind of tracking device put into their bodies so the aliens could find them again.

It's easy to sit back and ponder what you would have done when you're in a safe place typing on your computer. Reality is a completely different story.

So all you readers that are legends in your own mind most likely will have to change your underwear after a close encounter.

Have a nice day,

John


Hi John, I don't question the utter fear your brothers had especially if they were young. I do think as we get older and we start to understand what we can control and what we cannot. I grew up with the paranormal. Living in a haunted house and having a mother who was extremely psychic. Seeing doors open(handle turning) cabinet downs flying open along with water faucets. Hearing footsteps and voices. We lived with it. Only when I saw a full bodied apparition did I get frozen with fear. Like aliens or UFO's you don't know how you will react. Fear does take hold and unless you can lose that fear or in my case have it turn to anger can you take control back. So I do understand your comment here:

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It's easy to sit back and ponder what you would have done when you're in a safe place typing on your computer. Reality is a completely different story.


However I do think they are some of us who are not legends in our own mind smiley who would relish the chance to see a UFO not to mention a physical abduction. I'm sure I would be frightened by it maybe soil my shorts but until you or I have that experience we can't fathom the experience of those who do. While maybe not doing the smart thing every-night I go outside with my does and say to the night sky: "Here I am take me!" I've never even seen a UFO or what could even be construed as one. The fact I'm un-abductionable does lead me to believe that fear plays a part.
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« Reply #23 on: May 28th, 2014, 12:05pm »

I have no doubts about Johns authenticity as he describes it as it really is and not some fictional movie as we often see happen with this scenario, personally Dan I wouldnít wish this on my worst enemy but at least your craving to experience this is via choice and from what you say about your childhood that I also believe true due to my own experience as a child in a similar predicament I believe you could do a lot better than most of us at explaining the experience after the event due to your earned strength in these matters, alas the normal abductee is denied choice and it is normally an unexpected event that afterwards leaves the abductee afraid and confused , believe me its not a nice place to be and it does not go away.
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on May 28th, 2014, 11:41am, GForce wrote:
Hi John, I don't question the utter fear your brothers had especially if they were young. I do think as we get older and we start to understand what we can control and what we cannot. I grew up with the paranormal. Living in a haunted house and having a mother who was extremely psychic. Seeing doors open(handle turning) cabinet downs flying open along with water faucets. Hearing footsteps and voices. We lived with it. Only when I saw a full bodied apparition did I get frozen with fear. Like aliens or UFO's you don't know how you will react. Fear does take hold and unless you can lose that fear or in my case have it turn to anger can you take control back. So I do understand your comment here:

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However I do think they are some of us who are not legends in our own mind smiley who would relish the chance to see a UFO not to mention a physical abduction. I'm sure I would be frightened by it maybe soil my shorts but until you or I have that experience we can't fathom the experience of those who do. While maybe not doing the smart thing every-night I go outside with my does and say to the night sky: "Here I am take me!" I've never even seen a UFO or what could even be construed as one. The fact I'm un-abductionable does lead me to believe that fear plays a part.


Hi Dan,

I can't say I want to experience a haunted house but I did experience something unusual about three years ago. I was watching a football game and working on my computer at the same time. The TV screen was to my left in the family room at a 90 degree angle to my computer screen. I turned to watch the TV just as a totally black figure about four feet tall came through the wall twelve feet to the left and eight feet in front of the TV. It was walking and it only took a few seconds to walk to the left of the TV and through the wall behind it. I believe it might have been a Grey alien but I cannot be sure. My dear wife called me a minute later and asked how I was doing and I said, "Well I'm either going nuts or a ghost just walked through our family room." "It was probably a shadow coming through the window," said the wife. "It wasn't a shadow as the sun is on the other side of the house and this thing was solid black," I said. "I don't want to hear any more about it," said the wife. She didn't like the thought of a ghost being in her house.

Let me get this straight Dan. You grew up in a nut house and now you go outside with your 'DOES' and talk to the night sky and say "Here I am take me!" I can tell you from experience that they don't abduct people like us as we're too freaking nuts. LOL.

Have a nice day,

John

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on May 28th, 2014, 12:05pm, hyundisonata wrote:
I have no doubts about Johns authenticity as he describes it as it really is and not some fictional movie as we often see happen with this scenario, personally Dan I wouldnít wish this on my worst enemy but at least your craving to experience this is via choice and from what you say about your childhood that I also believe true due to my own experience as a child in a similar predicament I believe you could do a lot better than most of us at explaining the experience after the event due to your earned strength in these matters, alas the normal abductee is denied choice and it is normally an unexpected event that afterwards leaves the abductee afraid and confused , believe me its not a nice place to be and it does not go away.


Hi Jimmy,

Thanks for the kind words and I agree that abduction is not something I'd wish on anybody. I really don't think the words normal and abductee can be used together as there is nothing normal about being abducted. I agree from seeing my brothers and exchanging information with numerous people that have been abducted that the confusion and feeling of being violated never go away. My brothers refuse to even talk about it to this day. The Grey aliens I hear stick a needle in you to extract sperm. This alone would make me deathly afraid of an abduction. It's like getting your private parts caught in a bear trap. The only worse pain is when you run out of chain.

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« Reply #26 on: May 28th, 2014, 2:00pm »

In my opinion, a few key issues include:

- 'Either/or', 'black and white' thinking often leads us to partial truths and/or incorrect conclusions.

- Across the board criticism of virtually any demographic or industry, such as doctors, scientists and mental health professionals, is usually poorly conceived and not justified. Moreover, it could well be described as socially irresponsible (at best) to offer non-qualified advice while suggesting people avert from medical treatment.

- Professional treatment of trauma does not include attempting to compile evidence related to perceptions about perpetrators, be they human or allegedly alien.

- Ethical, responsible investigation of alleged alien abduction is not the same thing as professional treatment for trauma, and an individual might be well advised to identify which they are seeking prior to taking action. They are not the same thing, and one might be well served to make a conscious decision whether they are seeking emotional healing, emotional support or objective investigation, for instances.

- It seems such discussions frequently include the interjection of personal experiences. That being the case, perhaps the relevant question might be, 'did psychiatry help in your circumstance?', as compared to suggesting a thorough review of the topic is being undertaken. We might consider that discussion of the UFO field and the mental health community's approach to alleged alien abduction should not perpetually turn into a rehashing of personal experiences. While I understand why that happens, and I empathize with those who do so, if we sincerely want to understand ethical investigation, professional treatment for trauma, the differences between the two and the available options, we might proceed in different, more effective manners.
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« Reply #27 on: May 28th, 2014, 2:18pm »

on May 27th, 2014, 6:34pm, GForce wrote:
...I should point out again that my sisters experience was with the Nordics human looking beings anyway. Maybe that's why she kept the memory of it. She was examined but no implants or internal probes. They may have taken blood I'm not sure there. She wasn't bothered too much at first until she realized she was taken against her will. She said that looking back it was like an out of body dream. Regardless she seems to be doing fine now.


GForce what year did your sister have her experience and in what country? I ask because 'Nordic' aliens are few and far between these days and I'm curious about her cultural setting and why it might have been 'Nordics' ?
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on May 28th, 2014, 2:00pm, jjflash wrote:
In my opinion, a few key issues include:

- 'Either/or', 'black and white' thinking often leads us to partial truths and/or incorrect conclusions.

- Across the board criticism of virtually any demographic or industry, such as doctors, scientists and mental health professionals, is usually poorly conceived and not justified. Moreover, it could well be described as socially irresponsible (at best) to offer non-qualified advice while suggesting people avert from medical treatment.

- Professional treatment of trauma does not include attempting to compile evidence related to perceptions about perpetrators, be they human or allegedly alien.

- Ethical, responsible investigation of alleged alien abduction is not the same thing as professional treatment for trauma, and an individual might be well advised to identify which they are seeking prior to taking action. They are not the same thing, and one might be well served to make a conscious decision whether they are seeking emotional healing, emotional support or objective investigation, for instances.

- It seems such discussions frequently include the interjection of personal experiences. That being the case, perhaps the relevant question might be, 'did psychiatry help in your circumstance?', as compared to suggesting a thorough review of the topic is being undertaken. We might consider that discussion of the UFO field and the mental health community's approach to alleged alien abduction should not perpetually turn into a rehashing of personal experiences. While I understand why that happens, and I empathize with those who do so, if we sincerely want to understand ethical investigation, professional treatment for trauma, the differences between the two and the available options, we might proceed in different, more effective manners.


Very well written post with many good points.

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I AGREE ~ BLACK OR WHITE DID LEAD TO TRUTHS IN THAT COMMUNITY WITH LEON EISENBERG ADMITTING WHEN HIS MORTALITY CAME INTO QUESTION ~ ADHD WAS A "FABRICATED DISEASE" ~ IT EITHER IS/ISN'T ~ EITHER/OR ~ THAT NARROW UNDERSTANDING BURST UPON HIS ADMISSION AND WHERE ARE THE ETHICS WITH SUCH A "PEDIGREED" PROFESSIONAL ~ MY POINT BEING IS THAT THERE IS THIS/THAT INFAMOUS "GREY AREA" WHEREIN THOSE DENYING OR REFUSING TO CONSIDER SUCH ARE SUBJECTED TO THE "EISENBERGS" ~ NOW IF SUCH "HELPS ONE" SO BE IT ~ JUST CALL A PLACEBO A PLACEBO ~ THAT PROTOCOL DID TRICKLE DOWN IN A QUITE COMMERCIALLY PRODUCTIVE CARTEL...IMHO...

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