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« Reply #60 on: Jul 14th, 2014, 11:14am »

on May 26th, 2014, 07:20am, thelmadonna wrote:
I have had experience with a psychaitrist. Perhaps I am wrong but I found him to be of no help at all. All he wanted to do was prescribe me pills. He couldn't comprehend it. I guess he was following the book.


Which makes it all the more remarkable that Dr.Simon not only recorded the Betty and Barney Hill case but took it seriously while trying to make sense of it all.
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« Reply #61 on: Jul 14th, 2014, 1:52pm »

on Jul 14th, 2014, 11:14am, carolnistri wrote:
Which makes it all the more remarkable that Dr.Simon not only recorded the Betty and Barney Hill case but took it seriously while trying to make sense of it all.


I think it completely depends on the individual psychiatrist or psychologist. Some like the late Dr Mack are open minded and will attempt to get at the bottom of the patient's problems.
BTW regarding Dr Simon you might want to read the thread about the Mirage Men since jjflash believes Simon might have been part of a larger group of specialists working for the intel agencies in some peripheral capacity.
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« Reply #62 on: Jul 15th, 2014, 07:37am »

Dr.wu said in part

BTW regarding Dr Simon you might want to read the thread about the Mirage Men since jjflash believes Simon might have been part of a larger group of specialists working for the intel agencies in some peripheral capacity.

JJ,really?


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« Reply #63 on: Jul 15th, 2014, 11:03am »

on Jul 15th, 2014, 07:37am, carolnistri wrote:
Dr.wu said in part

BTW regarding Dr Simon you might want to read the thread about the Mirage Men since jjflash believes Simon might have been part of a larger group of specialists working for the intel agencies in some peripheral capacity.

JJ,really?




I'd agree with drwu that reading the Mirage Men thread might be a good idea. Lots of interesting stuff there, some of it concerning possibilities surrounding Simon and some of it not.

About the Hill case in general, I suppose Occum's Razor would suggest the couple became distressed for some relatively mundane reason, and the epic legend grew out of their confusion. If we entertain some less conventional explanations, then there are a number of researchers who think investigation is justified into the couple's unwitting involvement in covert, quite human-conducted activities. I agree.

Whether or not Simon was directly involved in any such operation, and no proof has been presented that he was, I think it quite relevant that he, his industry and the public in general were influenced by the CIA and their descent into the investigation of hypnosis. The CIA seemed to quickly conclude that, while trance states and hypnosis may have had various useful applications, interrogating witnesses/memory retrieval was not among them (see the Mirage Men thread for more on this, including how the CIA planned to use a "magic room" for duping hypnosis subjects into thinking their interrogators had powers of which they could not resist). Yet, here is the UFO community 50 years later, still influenced by their activities and using the procedure on traumatized individuals, self-described experiencers of high strangeness. Talk about a story growing legs...
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« Reply #64 on: Jul 16th, 2014, 12:18am »

It is highly subject to the individual psychiatrist! I would recommend only those who have extensive experience with dealing with people having abduction experiences, The average psychiatrist trying to deal with this field is like an average mechanic trying to work on a Ferrari. While a Ferrari is a car, it takes special training to deal with the intricacies of the vehicle that the average auto does not have. The average psychiatrist just may not have the training or temperament to properly deal with the needs of such patients.

I only hold a Bachelor of Science Degree in Psychology from Eastern New Mexico University with most of my senior credits being Master Level Classes taken for undergrad credit.
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« Reply #65 on: Jul 16th, 2014, 09:56am »

JJflash said in part,"About the Hill case in general, I suppose Occum's Razor would suggest the couple became distressed for some relatively mundane reason, and the epic legend grew out of their confusion. If we entertain some less conventional explanations, then there are a number of researchers who think investigation is justified into the couple's unwitting involvement in covert, quite human-conducted activities. I agree."

I have to disagree with that assesment,First the words Mundane reason pop out at me.This is a interracial couple that chose to live in MAINE.What mundane reason could there be? Is it because you dont want to think of these entities actually abducting people,help me understand where your coming from JJflash.

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« Reply #66 on: Jul 16th, 2014, 09:59am »

on Jul 16th, 2014, 12:18am, Oldtimer wrote:
It is highly subject to the individual psychiatrist! I would recommend only those who have extensive experience with dealing with people having abduction experiences, The average psychiatrist trying to deal with this field is like an average mechanic trying to work on a Ferrari. While a Ferrari is a car, it takes special training to deal with the intricacies of the vehicle that the average auto does not have. The average psychiatrist just may not have the training or temperament to properly deal with the needs of such patients.

I only hold a Bachelor of Science Degree in Psychology from Eastern New Mexico University with most of my senior credits being Master Level Classes taken for undergrad credit.


I agree with that Oldtimer,much to Dr.Simons credit he did take them at their word,after having taped their seperate stories,it was chilling to say the least,somewhere on the net is the actual tapes that Dr.Simon took of the Hills,chilling.
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« Reply #67 on: Jul 16th, 2014, 11:28am »

How many of you are familiar with the works of John E. Mack? John Edward Mack M.D. was an American psychiatrist, writer, and professor at Harvard Medical School.

http://johnemackinstitute.org/category/human-transformation-and-alien-encounters/


http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_autor_jmack.htm


http://johnemackinstitute.org/


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« Reply #68 on: Jul 16th, 2014, 11:29am »

Perhaps I could have been more clear. All things being reasonably equal, a less fantastic explanation is considered the more likely possibility until conclusive evidence proves otherwise. That does not necessarily mean something fantastic did not take place, but it should be established as fact prior to accepted as so.

Some points, please:

The Hills resided in Portsmouth, New Hampshire.

I am unaware of Dr. Benjamin Simon ever stating/claiming that he believed the Hills to be literally abducted by doctors from the stars. I am under the strong impression his reported interests involved providing the Hills with therapeutic assistance; help with trauma. If my understandings are in error, please provide sources recognized as credible by the professional research community (college websites, newspaper clippings, etc., not questionable articles that do not quote sources).

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« Reply #69 on: Nov 15th, 2014, 9:10pm »

Posted today at 'Salon' about Heaven's Gate:

Anatomy of a mass suicide: The dark, twisted story behind a UFO death cult

I would highly recommend those interested in the relevant social issues to also familiarize themselves with events surrounding the mid 20th century work of psychologist Leon Festinger, 'When Prophecy Fails: A Social and Psychological Study of a Modern Group That Predicted the Destruction of the World'. It is a very interesting study of a small UFO-based religious group which called itself the Seekers. Here is a summary and overview:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails
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« Reply #70 on: May 5th, 2015, 01:15am »

Hello. I have been coming to this website on and off since 2008. I read some of the regular posters stuff. I like some of their discussions and so forth. I've posted a few times, but it has been years and my posts were not particularly helpful. My abduction stories read pretty much like typical ones and I have absolutely no physical proof of anything. That is why I don't really see much point in posting the experiences. I don't know if I were on the other end of the stick if I would believe them in any case.

Anyhow I've been dealing with the issue of alien abduction/contact or whatever you want to call it since 2006. It actually got so bothersome that I sought the help of a psychiatrist a few years back. He thinks I have schizoaffective disorder. When he told me that I was shocked to say the least. I don't feel crazy. But I am willing to try and accept that he might be right. However, I don't believe in my heart that he is right. I've been on medication (because I am trying to be open minded that it all may not be real) but the meds do not stop the encounters. I guess they make me feel a little less worried that they are occurring though.

So I thought I just might put this out there. Maybe the whole thing is real. Maybe the whole thing is in my head. I don't know which of the two situations would be considered worse.

I just need to talk sometimes. I get sick of talking to my psychiatrist and I dare not talk to anyone close to me about it.

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« Reply #71 on: May 6th, 2015, 09:20am »

Hi Bubbles,welcome to the board,beers in the fridge..
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« Reply #72 on: May 6th, 2015, 2:37pm »

on May 5th, 2015, 01:15am, bubbles wrote:
Hello. I have been coming to this website on and off since 2008. I read some of the regular posters stuff. I like some of their discussions and so forth. I've posted a few times, but it has been years and my posts were not particularly helpful. My abduction stories read pretty much like typical ones and I have absolutely no physical proof of anything. That is why I don't really see much point in posting the experiences. I don't know if I were on the other end of the stick if I would believe them in any case.

Anyhow I've been dealing with the issue of alien abduction/contact or whatever you want to call it since 2006. It actually got so bothersome that I sought the help of a psychiatrist a few years back. He thinks I have schizoaffective disorder. When he told me that I was shocked to say the least. I don't feel crazy. But I am willing to try and accept that he might be right. However, I don't believe in my heart that he is right. I've been on medication (because I am trying to be open minded that it all may not be real) but the meds do not stop the encounters. I guess they make me feel a little less worried that they are occurring though.

So I thought I just might put this out there. Maybe the whole thing is real. Maybe the whole thing is in my head. I don't know which of the two situations would be considered worse.

I just need to talk sometimes. I get sick of talking to my psychiatrist and I dare not talk to anyone close to me about it.

Thanks for listening (reading).

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Hi Bubbles, that is something of a conundrum you are describing smiley! Of course if you are a classical abductee, this is not a symptom of a mental disorder in itself, and you should not be treated/medicated for it.

BUT IF your shrink is on the money, and your experience is caused by mental disorder, it's best to leave all the alien stuff behind and put all your energies into getting well!

I don't know'ya, have no idea which is which. But I do see a point in you having a go at describing the alien encounters/abduction experiences as you remember them. Never mind if 'typical' or similar to others. If you choose to share some here, the UFO Casebook membership (few abductees though, the majority at least having read various abduction accounts) is bound to get a sense of HOW typical or otherwise, whether your story fits a known pattern or somehow falls outside it and give you some feedback.

See if this is useful. Important: if you don't feel 'crazy', there's always a chance you really aren't.

Up to you!


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« Reply #73 on: May 6th, 2015, 7:36pm »

Most likely I will post some of my experiences in time. Those people who have been on this forum for a long time will recognize that I have posted some of them before (many years ago). Of course I will do so in a new thread as not to sully the integrity of this thread and its being specific to psychiatry and alien abduction.
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« Reply #74 on: May 7th, 2015, 05:50am »

on May 6th, 2015, 7:36pm, bubbles wrote:
Most likely I will post some of my experiences in time. Those people who have been on this forum for a long time will recognize that I have posted some of them before (many years ago). Of course I will do so in a new thread as not to sully the integrity of this thread and its being specific to psychiatry and alien abduction.


Thanks Bubbles, looking forward to it!

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