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« Reply #30 on: Jul 18th, 2014, 9:22pm »

on Jul 18th, 2014, 12:09pm, Oldtimer wrote:
Everyone should be a skeptic and not just accept anything I or any abductee says as 'FACT"!
I'm not saying otherwise but let's face the facts as they have been and are!

1.There has NEVER been any serious attempt to investigate the UFO/Abductee field in the PUBLIC FORUM by those who claim to be scientists dedicated to the research of the unknown!
2.There has and is a serious program involving UFOs and Abductees going on behind the scenes run by the U.S. Government.
3. Karla Turner ran headlong into #2 above
4.The majority of the human race plays lip service to belief in UFO/Abductees but when it gets too close or too real to their lives they shrink away
5. People, real live human beings, have been put to DEATH on less CIRCUMSTANTIAL EVIDENCE than is available on UFOs and the Abducttee Phenomenon
6. How many Abductee's are there? Back in 1991 Bud Hopkins estimated that nearly four million Americans might have been abducted. It is now 2014 and still how many people do we have trying to seriously trying to help these people? A few thousand South American aliens at our border are a national crisis but how many millions of your fellow Americans including a high percentage of CHILDREN, as many of us started off as, does it take before the rest of America gives a damn?. I am sorry but that is the real truth of it is it not? People like hearing and reading the stories for the same reasons the news media leads with "if it bleeds it leads", I'm sorry but ACTIONS speak louder than words and I see as Karla did a pitiful lack of actions from the common American to demand ACTION to bring this out to Public Knowledge from the shadows of Government Secrecy. I hear the platitudes but I do not see actions and that IS the facts!

It is OK as long as it is happening to the other guy or gal so we can read about it or watch it on a video. Just don't let it actually touch my everyday life,right? Or do you fail to see that even on this website from some of your members responses when their sacred cows are touched. We are not perfect, G_d knows as we have been tampered with and we have concerns about all that "information" they downloaded into us for a future time we were told that "no one else" seems to be seriously concerned about.

Even the media keeps reporting the coming announcement from the government that "Aliens" are real and the possible consequences. What does it take to get peoples attention? They are not telling anything "we" are not and have not been "painfully" aware of without the aid or support of our fellow humans or government's. FACT



The fact is that none of those 'facts' you posted can be supported by facts....with the exception of perhaps point no 1. I don't know of any authorized scientific examination of the ufo abduction phenomenon but plenty of 'amateurs' out there including people like Hopkins and Jacobs.
Your other points are speculation , surmise, and opinion and not hard facts.
I would like to see some qualified scientists and forensic experts sink their teeth into this and see what they can come up with but sadly that has not happened and so we remain in a morass of confusion with people believing in all manner of wild ideas without any solid evidence and just anecdotal material.
Having said that I do believe the ufo enigma is real but is it space aliens ,shadowy gubbermint agents, and secret underground bases or are we missing the picture?
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« Reply #31 on: Jul 18th, 2014, 11:35pm »

I have been asking where are the qualified top scientists from the universities since I was in college and my sister, her best friend, my first cousin, and I were all taken together and I'm 65.

Wow, everyone the government does not have a major investigation into UFOs that gathers information from world wide. Please inform the other nations' governments who have made official announcements that they send their gathered information into the United States they can stop as it does not exist. So much for #2, that is such a relief. But then I wish those Air Force Officers from Project Blue Book that interigated me in 1972 while I was in transit as an Army 2LT. would not have hassled me so badly but then perhaps they did not get the memo that the U.S. Government had shut down investigating UFOs January 1970.

I would have loved some qualified scientists and forensic experts to be available on a hundred occasions but they never seemed available or even interested as would have Karla and a thousand others. No one seems truly interested to do an actual investigation. It's all fake B.S. you know. No evidence. So no one looks. Around and around the mulberry bush we go. But if I am right all hell is about to descend down on you all in the next 10 years. If I am wrong then have a good laugh at me but if I am right then welcome to your worst nightmare and many of you deserve it for your arrogance and lack of compassion for your fellow man.
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« Reply #32 on: Jul 18th, 2014, 11:52pm »

on Jul 18th, 2014, 11:35pm, Oldtimer wrote:
I have been asking where are the qualified top scientists from the universities since I was in college and my sister, her best friend, my first cousin, and I were all taken together and I'm 65.

Wow, everyone the government does not have a major investigation into UFOs that gathers information from world wide. Please inform the other nations' governments who have made official announcements that they send their gathered information into the United States they can stop as it does not exist. So much for #2, that is such a relief. But then I wish those Air Force Officers from Project Blue Book that interigated me in 1972 while I was in transit as an Army 2LT. would not have hassled me so badly but then perhaps they did not get the memo that the U.S. Government had shut down investigating UFOs January 1970.

I would have loved some qualified scientists and forensic experts to be available on a hundred occasions but they never seemed available or even interested as would have Karla and a thousand others. No one seems truly interested to do an actual investigation. It's all fake B.S. you know. No evidence. So no one looks. Around and around the mulberry bush we go. But if I am right all hell is about to descend down on you all in the next 10 years. If I am wrong then have a good laugh at me but if I am right then welcome to your worst nightmare and many of you deserve it for your arrogance and lack of compassion for your fellow man.


With all due respect Oldtimer if you're waiting for scientists to study or look into UFO's then you're in for a long wait. They live and die by government grants so if they're looking into it then it is as a black project.

However with all the television shows that deal with UFO & aliens it's obvious that the public is interested in the topic. If not they would not be more shows each year. So it's possible that someone with clout might fund research.
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« Reply #33 on: Jul 19th, 2014, 01:09am »

on Jul 18th, 2014, 11:52pm, GForce wrote:
With all due respect Oldtimer if you're waiting for scientists to study or look into UFO's then you're in for a long wait. They live and die by government grants so if they're looking into it then it is as a black project.

However with all the television shows that deal with UFO & aliens it's obvious that the public is interested in the topic. If not they would not be more shows each year. So it's possible that someone with clout might fund research.



I gave up on scientists long before most of the people on this website were born. Money talks and ethics flies out the window. Now days "ethics" is not a lost art but an unknown subject to be ridiculed as unrealistic and naive. Good is called evil and evil is called good. I believe somone predicted such times but they are those silly people that believe in good and evil, right and wrong, morality, and justice; all those outdated things. They never got the memo "god" is dead because while most of humanity's "gods" are dead their "G_d" is not. He is doing quite fine, thank you. In fact He has been doing some very interesting things; for those you take notice of such things. This world is about to get very interesting, some may use other terms like "terrifying", others may use "lethal", or the quaint "out of control" but hey lets party; right? Things are the same as they ever were. As in the days of Noah so shall it be in the end. What ever that means; I probably should look into exactly "what that means" if I can just ever find the time! Party on. Wow, where has the time gone.

To my brothers and sisters who understand my words; keep the faith and G_d Bless. For the rest I hope you are ready for the ride because the surf is about to be way way up! It's a 60s thing.
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« Reply #34 on: Jul 19th, 2014, 10:14am »

Oldtimer, you asserted there has never been an attempt by scientists to investigate the "UFO/Abductee field". I demonstrated there has, and I did not even yet cite Project Hessdalen. As pointed out by both Sys-Config and myself in the previous posts quoted, there have been many research projects by qualified professionals that focused upon both unexplained aerial phenomena and the narrations of self-described alien abductees.

You responded by requesting, rhetorically or otherwise, the names of scientists be quoted that have devoted their lives to contact events, or something to that effect.

Those kind of tactics are known as moving the goal post. They might also be reasonably defined as hyperbole, neither of which is practical or productive.

You also chose to virtually ignore the findings of Blackmore and Goertzel re the infamous Roper Polls in which Hopkins and company claimed millions of Americans are abducted by aliens, yet failed to even so much as include the question in their poll. I interpret your response to their qualified analysis of the polls was to imply it was state-sponsored debunking.

That is not a reasonable response, sir. It is an unfounded opinion of which you have supplied no evidence of which we might take into consideration in order to form our perspectives and share your view. You are entitled to think pretty much anything you want, but you are not entitled to demand others share your beliefs without challenge.

on Jul 18th, 2014, 8:18pm, Oldtimer wrote:
OK, jjflash, let us deal with your idea of what a fact is and is not. I think some people have somewhat of a misconception.

Is an SR-71 a fact or not, in your frame of reality. If yes do you have proof? Can you personally prove the existence of an SR-71. Have you ever personally seen one? Have you ever personally examined one as in climbed up to the cockpit or physically handled any part of the claimed aircraft? Can a third party verify any of your physical contact you personally have experienced with the alleged SR-71 aircraft?

Can you jjflash say yes to all above questions and furnish proof under penalty of law if required? If no, then how can you personally say or prove the SR-71 exists here?


I'd say you are confusing philosophy and professional research practices. It's not "my idea" of what a fact is; it's what the dictionary defines it as, and is subsequently recognized by the professional research community. When we take ideas to convoluted extremes, we only further complicate the process of clarifying details and actuality.
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« Reply #35 on: Jul 19th, 2014, 1:12pm »

on Jul 19th, 2014, 10:14am, jjflash wrote:
Oldtimer, you asserted there has never been an attempt by scientists to investigate the "UFO/Abductee field". I demonstrated there has, and I did not even yet cite Project Hessdalen. As pointed out by both Sys-Config and myself in the previous posts quoted, there have been many research projects by qualified professionals that focused upon both unexplained aerial phenomena and the narrations of self-described alien abductees.

You responded by requesting, rhetorically or otherwise, the names of scientists be quoted that have devoted their lives to contact events, or something to that effect.

Those kind of tactics are known as moving the goal post. They might also be reasonably defined as hyperbole, neither of which is practical or productive.

You also chose to virtually ignore the findings of Blackmore and Goertzel re the infamous Roper Polls in which Hopkins and company claimed millions of Americans are abducted by aliens, yet failed to even so much as include the question in their poll. I interpret your response to their qualified analysis of the polls was to imply it was state-sponsored debunking.

That is not a reasonable response, sir. It is an unfounded opinion of which you have supplied no evidence of which we might take into consideration in order to form our perspectives and share your view. You are entitled to think pretty much anything you want, but you are not entitled to demand others share your beliefs without challenge.



I'd say you are confusing philosophy and professional research practices. It's not "my idea" of what a fact is; it's what the dictionary defines it as, and is subsequently recognized by the professional research community. When we take ideas to convoluted extremes, we only further complicate the process of clarifying details and actuality.



Sorry, Jack that I did not make myself clearer. That is my error. I should have said No scientists of any name or serious repute in the United States that is the center of UFO study in the Free World.

Does that make it any clearer?

Individuals and Governments ourside the USA have been more open about UFOs and Aliens -



UFO Documents RELEASED by New Zealand Government - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/ufo/8221227/New-Zealand-releases-UFO-files.html


Japan's Top Government Spokesman: UFOs 'Definitely' Exist - http://www.foxnews.com/story/2007/12/18/japan-top-government-spokesman-ufos-definitely-exist/


I was refering more along the lines of:

CIA's Role in the Study of UFOs, 1947-90 - https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for-the-study-of-intelligence/csi-publications/csi-studies/studies/97unclass/ufo.html

The Brief Summary:
National Security Implications of the UFO/ETI Subject written by Steven M. Greer - http://new.cseti.org/members-section/38-art-national-security-implications-of-the-ufo-eti-subject

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« Reply #36 on: Jul 21st, 2014, 04:09am »

Hi Littlebird,I know I have that wrong but I do want to welcome you to Casebook.Its a little past five in the morning here in Connecticut.Its stories like your own that get me so angry at the little dears.Littlebird could they be Demons?We dont believe in Demons anymore so its the perfect place for them to hide.I used to believe they were Aliens from another planet but I dont anymore.
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« Reply #37 on: Jul 21st, 2014, 10:16am »

If any of you want any more information on the subjects of UFOs, or Abduction by both "Aliens" and American Government Agencies also called "MILABS". I suggest a massive Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) bombardment of the U.S. Government. There are more than enough cases to use if you care to actually get at the truth. If you can get any Lawyers to tear themselves away from defending terrorists, murderers, and Illegal aliens long enough to file the briefs. From what I see the majority of Americans just like the majority here do not really want to find out the truth because it would destroy to many of their preconceived ideas. So very few here care to listen with an open mind. If that changes, FOIA as I will have no further comments.
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« Reply #38 on: Jul 21st, 2014, 11:56am »

Oldtimer,I was going to ask that you not leave until the truth was told,but if these things are what I believe they are its just as well you not say a word.I assume your going to say what it is they told you.
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« Reply #39 on: Jul 21st, 2014, 12:38pm »

on Jul 21st, 2014, 11:56am, carolnistri wrote:
Oldtimer,I was going to ask that you not leave until the truth was told,but if these things are what I believe they are its just as well you not say a word.I assume your going to say what it is they told you.


I have on other threads on this forum.
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« Reply #40 on: Jul 22nd, 2014, 05:05am »

Youve never been hypnotized then?
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« Reply #41 on: Jul 22nd, 2014, 11:04am »

Regarding funded scientific investigations into the 'alien abduction phenomenon' there hasn't been any that I know of.
Hessdalen is not about abductions and is focused on anomalous lights (ufos) in the sky in Hessdalen and it's looking like it's some manner of natural event.

Project Blue Book, Sign , and Grudge, and related military studies were looking into ufos in general and not abductions and they were not very scientific either based on Dr Hynek's own remarks about how poor the investigations and lack of funding was and of course the lack of real interest by the military personnel involved.

The Condon study by the University of Colorado was a joke.

There have been some 'seminars' like the Rockefeller sponsored group back in the late 70's and 80's (don't recall the exact year) and Peter Sturrock, a Stanford physicist, wrote a book reevaluating the current data about ufos and came to the conclusion the area needed some serious scientific study. But none of those were actual well funded scientific studies with multiple personnel and equipment to determine the nature of the ufo enigma and the so-called abduction phenom.

So on this point I agree with Oldtimer in that no one, at least publically that we are aware of , has done a real honest to goodness scientific examination of the whole ufo area. No University or govt. group has set out to solve this problem. There is of course no way for us to know what goes on in secret with the intel agencies or has gone on in the past.

The only ufologist that has really approached this from a scientific level has been Dr Jacques Vallee who with his 'Invisible College' of science colleagues did investigate many field claims and compiled data in the 60's, 70's,and even through out the 80's. He published much of this material in his books over the last 30 years. He has repeatedly said that science and others have wasted time and that we had a chance to do some good science on this.
I believe he is retired now regarding publishing on the ufo enigma.
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« Reply #42 on: Jul 26th, 2014, 04:14am »

Which means hes had time to think it over,Ill bet hes got one last book in him.
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« Reply #43 on: Aug 3rd, 2014, 01:46am »

on Jul 26th, 2014, 04:14am, carolnistri wrote:
Which means hes had time to think it over,Ill bet hes got one last book in him.

Hi it is Lyttlbyrd. I erased my commentary on this thread because I feel like by accident I was taking over this thread. To answer your previous question to me carolnistri I have never been hypnotized. I think being hypnotized is like being "suggested to" by the hypnotizer. I spend allot of time reading about the theories of whether these beings are evil. No clue. There are so many books. So many questions. No solid answers. I suspect they are from parallel universes. My personal experience is under MY STORY 7/23/12 Alien Abductions topic.
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« Reply #44 on: Aug 3rd, 2014, 04:57am »

Hi Littlebird,have you seen the t.v.show called Destination America? At least I think thats the name.During one episode I was folding the wash and turned it on with the intention of not paying attention to it but to get that wash folded and put away.But the story of this former cop or law enforcement detective (I dont know which it was)was so intriguing I actually stopped what I was doing to listen. It seems he and his brother and his Mom and Grandmother were all abducted.Now its years later and Once again this person was abducted on his way home,have you seen it? For some reason this one Ill never forget.
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