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« Reply #15 on: Aug 30th, 2016, 11:31pm »

Imo I see a little too much projection of our behavior based on a presumption they are like us and after the same resources. If they are like us then they are not alien nor kind angels..just another competitor an would have dispatched us to the elysian fields a longtime ago,and not wait until we achieved high tech or master space.

By the way thats interesting architecture you have in Spain..is it very crowded where you are at?
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« Reply #16 on: Aug 31st, 2016, 08:35am »

Sys_config, to project from our behavior is risky but I am talking about a behavior designed to manipulate us. If they have a good understanding of our mind they are going to use OUR symbols and OUR instincts. So why not to look to their theater performances as a kind of symbolic /ritual / "sintetic dream". A 'dream interpretation' actitude may help to decode their strange behavior.

Regarding your inquiry on town planning, I work in Barcelona, at is quite crowed, 15.000 people per square kilometer ! But I live on Gava which is a town at 15 km of Barcelona more quiet and also with beach. I would not like to live in the middle of the country side. I feel protected here, they dont abduct people on so crowded areas, dont they..? smiley Being alone, in the middle of nowhere at night writting on an UFO forum... that would be too much to me !

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« Reply #17 on: Aug 31st, 2016, 1:59pm »

Regarding your inquiry on town planning, I work in Barcelona, at is quite crowed, 15.000 people per square kilometer ! But I live on Gava which is a town at 15 km of Barcelona more quiet and also with beach. I would not like to live in the middle of the country side. I feel protected here, they dont abduct people on so crowded areas, dont they..? smiley Being alone, in the middle of nowhere at night writting on an UFO forum... that would be too much to me !
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That is crowded..
can you see any minarets or mosques from where you are at?
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you can be in a crowd..and feel very lonely..and alone in a desert and quite content..connected and see it all. wink
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« Reply #18 on: Sep 1st, 2016, 1:32pm »

Yes, we are somehow connected. smiley Thanks to internet we are on 3.05 density. ( using 80's Ra nomenclature, there are previous references to this word with this meaning ? )

Nobody said that 4th density had to be attained purely on biological mains ( btw: 4th density is a name that lends itself to confusion and misinterpretations, and 4th dimension is still worse ). As tech advances on augmented reality and communication technologies increase its integration with our senses, this by itself may provide big changes close to how 4th density is depicted.

If based on the mood metrics recolected by other people devices our implanted device induced emotions ir our brain, would this be a unified consciousness ?

If we use distance as a parameter, so we feel stronger the emotions of people nearby... could it become painful hitting or even insulting or humiliating other people ? Could it be impossible to drop a bomb without feeling the fear and pain of the people you have injured ? Could this end wars ? Could it be impossible for nobody ( including politicians ) to lie ?

If this technology systems recorded all or thoughts and personality and where are to forecast our thoughts, then we could see and ask for advice our dead loved ones as all they memories would be recorded. Dead and alive people would be on the same net.

People would start to have knowledge that would require years for study and to apply it in creative new ways because it would just we recalled from our implant when some patterns on problems mached some patterns on knowledge. Implants would have its own AI and science and technology would then move at an unseen pace.

m2m comunicacion would give us perception of our surroundings with data as temperature, humdity, and lights frequencies that our eyes can't detect if the proper detectors are near and connected. Inmaterial data will perceived by our brain as physical.

At first, telepathy would be a telepathy of emotions but as technology improves it will be a telepathy of complex thoughts.

Nothing here is imposible by any law of physics, its just internet-brain interaction.

But thanks to forums like this and other tools we can share some thoughts a have a small taste of what is to come....!

( But to levitate... or making the world invisible to 2th o 3th density species.. dont buy it on a literal sense. )

The difference between 2th o 3th density is just the ability to think on your own thoughts and emotions. So you can learn if a past thought or emotion had been usefull or not in a specific situation and learn a adapt faster. A firefighter learn to use its fear to be a better firefighter on dangerous situations, and dont allow its fear to grow too much. A dog can't do it, a dog knows that he is a dog, it's aware of himself. Again, language is not precise enought, the point is to have a small brain able to stare on how thougts and emotions moves us from outside. But a dog can see you if you use a body. But if you are dead only people connected to the net can see you.

Someday the net can start to create new people by mixing memories and characteristics of old people, this people would be people that never had existed previously. Then fourth density would be fully attained and the dog would no see you anymore unless you did something specific for it. In fact the dog it's going to be in a forest chasing rabbits, and mankind it's goin to be invisble, the machinery and electric generators are going to be hidden, most of earth will appear wild. Mankind would be invisible for a visitor to earth unless we wanted to hail him.

I think this is a realistic and reasonable description of 4Th density.

1th dimension...? listen to a river.
5th dimension...? No idea.

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« Reply #19 on: Sep 1st, 2016, 1:42pm »

Tell you a secret.. there is a 4th denstiy civ on earth and we are the dogs.

Remember those demons who live underground full of hate...? Whats wrong with them... nothing.

But they couldn't just say:

A long time ago we had bodies and we lived on the surface. Now we no longer need the surface so you can grow in it and make your civilization. Just dont enter our installations, right ?

Sorry, thinks don't work that way.
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« Reply #20 on: Sep 1st, 2016, 2:22pm »

Not one, there are many. What? But from same origin and later detached or from differents origins...? Look at yourself, different origins but with some degree of influence and guidance. But why ? Because is the purpose of all. In earth there is room for thousands of civilizations why should this be a problem.
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« Reply #21 on: Sep 4th, 2016, 1:34pm »

on Aug 30th, 2016, 09:23am, olemundo wrote:
Thinking more on the bizarre and strange behaviour, let's take the common bizarre female abduction.

It's common in hierarchical species that the dominant male it's the only allowed to have spread. The rest of the group, under the power of the dominant male, are not allowed to have its own offspring. This schema may be a basic schema of nature, not only in species in earth but also in all the universe.

So power, status and hierarchy may be tied to sex and offspring in a lot of species. It is possible that even evolved civilizations keep this instincts as a part of their social structure. The working class is not allowed to have offspring.

In fact simulated sex/rape may be used a as way to express power and social status, like it is used in bonobos and as a way of conflict resolution.

Now, with this in mind...let's take a another look to those bizarre and absurd, degrading, painful, female abductions.

What if... what they are really doing is placing themselves on the top of the power structure, as fathers, and the hole mankind is left in a dominated status.

It has always questioned the purpose and the number of those abductions. Clearly, if it was to be used for a scientific purpose, it could be done without we being aware of it. So, all the gore does not make sense... but what if this is not the point.
What it the point is to simulate rape as a way to express status and power. And all of the 'hybrid stuff" may also be a simbol of dominance. Your are no longer the dominant specie on earth, from now on, we are going to have your women and they are going to carry our spread.

Abductions have to be painful and degrading to express power, it has nothing to be to a real scientific investigation, or a real hybridation. Surgical instruments that pierce the belly with pain are a symbol of rape, of violent sex.

And humans are programmed to act submissively in front of power because we are social animals. Men do the same on wars, winners have the right to rape the women of the defeated, this is also in our behaviour. If we cant defend our women that means we are defeated. So it makes sense to use this method to defeat us.

Bizarre, absurd...? No ! Smart.





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Olemundo, I just read all of your posts (in this thread) but quoted only one for brevity. Good points, and what you present is a possible hypothesis explaining the alien and UFO phenomenon, at least as we may observe it. I'm not convinced there's enough evidence yet to choose the one definitive explanation to all of it.

My comment on your thoughts about (arguably) 'bizarre' alien abductions: I doubt the coercive / rapelike aspects serve to establish dominance (Bonobo-style cheesy, or Chimp or Early Man) over mankind. You are borrowing/transposing animal behaviors that secure a 'fit' individual's future offspring (who due to their good breeding may create long bloodlines), but which has only a local and small scale (at most harem/pack/troup/family size) psychological effect on others. (Animals living in the next valley remain utterly unaffected by our Adonis Bonobo or Caveman!)

And (to get to the point) Alien Abduction failed to establish "dominance" over all humans (or have any large psychological effect), because only a small minority of us give it credence. And to those few willing to believe or consider some aliens actually (mis)behave like that, it does not necessarily lead to domination. Some of us might get whopping mad and thinking of putting a nuke on the next saucer spotted! I guess today's humans are no Bonobo's, more like cavemen who advanced from organized stone throwing to launching nuclear missiles.

I agree with your points on alien strategy in principle. And perhaps such interaction by various Visitors with human 'elites', with governments has already happened and (to prevent popular outrage or panic) has been well hidden.


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Time passes, year after year, and we don't know anything new / at all. It's clear that the ufo fenomena needs a change in HOW it is researched if we want different results.

On this subject, your sound so rational and polite. I imagine you as the kind of person who never gives up, the kind of guy that lives with a problem, sleeps with the same problem, and wakes up with the same problem in its mind, during years but you never give up. This kind of people are the backbone of research in all fields. I really respect and admire them.

I am not of this kind, I am creative and inconstant, I don't like hard work. I want fast results. Or maybe it's just that I still haven't found the problem of my life.

But before keeping on giving different crazy and contradictory ideas I wanted to make you know that I really apreciate your way of working as it's the only way that gives continuity to the research. But I am Gemini, therefore I can not help myself being creative and inconstant. It's not my fault, the stars are to blame not me.

But I am going to try to focus on this. Let's see.

First. We need to shift ufo research from being an observational science to being an experimental science. As you know the classic example of observational sciente is astronomy, you can't fully apply scientific method because you can't conduct experiments in your lab with small suns to test your theories about stellar evolution, you can only look to existing starts of different sizes and ages.
In astronomy and in ufo research we think about questions, formulate hypotheses, and gather data related to them... but in astronomy there had been testable predictions that have been fulfilled, I don't know of any specific, testable prediction on ufology that had been fulfilled.

OBSERVATIONAL SCIENTE APPROACH. DETECT CHANGES, AND MAKE TESTABLE PREDICTIONS.

A static phenomenon , something that does not change, can not be subject to scientific research since science studies changes and how they relate. The ancien I Ching book was the 'book of changes' so this is not a new concept. Is the UFO phenomena allways the same ? Then you can't make predictions nor test them.

So first question . It evolves or it's allways the same , like a frozen picture ?

Have you detected changes in the phenomena in the last 20 o 50 years ? How they relate to possible explanations ? ( When a chart its inconclusive the best you can do its to wider the timeframe )



EXPERIMENTAL SCIENCE APPROACH. MAKE USE OF RECURRENT ABDUCTIONS.

Some people reports to have been abducted many times, and also its parents or sons. So if we had records of such people then we would had, let's say, one hundred people with a high chance to be abducted in a year.

Now imagine we
we start to follow abducted people without them knowing it. As we monitor them and make our own recordings. What would happen ?
If aliens detected we following them... how would they react ?
Lifespawn of abducted people is longer than the expected average ? This is an rough indicator of genetic quality. People abducted long time ago, who died years after, did they had a longer lifespawn than the average of their group ?

This strategy is expensive but I guess some rich people interested in this subject could provide funding for this.




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« Reply #23 on: Sep 7th, 2016, 06:53am »

Instead of those thick books with heterogeneous reports we need graphs of stadistics of specific properties of the phenomena and how they changed during the years from '47. Then you make forecast and if they are fulfilled, bingo. That would be something.

Let's unleash the power of big data over those aliens !To feed a database of characteristics of reports using natural text processing would be an interesting IT project. It must be something fast and interactive over all text data, not by hand, because we don't know what we are looking for.
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« Reply #24 on: Sep 7th, 2016, 07:28am »

Let's do some alchemy smiley

6 training sets, reports as text, detached on 3x2 groups.

First we detach reports by its year in 3 groups from 1947 to 2016.
Also we detach reports between real and fake, yes, we purposely put in the training sets reports that have been proven to be false.

The question is...? Can we train a learning machine to score the year and if a report is true or false ? What rules would appear ?

What I am doing here is very old. Really, nothing new.

The philosopher's stone, or stone of the philosophers is a legendary alchemical substance capable of turning base metals such as mercury into gold or silver; for many centuries, it was the most sought-after goal in alchemy. The philosopher's stone was the central symbol of the mystical terminology of alchemy, symbolizing perfection at its finest, enlightenment, and heavenly bliss. Efforts to discover the philosopher's stone were known as the Magnum Opus.

Stone: Something from the physical word
Knowledge = GOLD ( ... to avoid trouble with the church it’s better to use a symbolic language. )

Nowadays, The BIG DATA, is the new philosophers stone:

Big data analytics refers to the strategy of analyzing large volumes of data, or big data. This big data is gathered from a wide variety of sources, including social networks, videos, digital images, sensors, and sales transaction records. The aim in analyzing all this data is to uncover patterns and connections that might otherwise be invisible, and that might provide valuable insights about the users who created it. Through this insight, businesses may be able to gain an edge over their rivals and make superior business decisions. ( credit scoring f.e. )

THAT IS: TURN HUMBLE, IMPERFECT DATA INTO KNOWLEDGE, GOLD… SOUNDS FAMILIAR.
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on Sep 7th, 2016, 06:31am, olemundo wrote:
Time passes, year after year, and we don't know anything new / at all. It's clear that the ufo fenomena needs a change in HOW it is researched if we want different results.

On this subject, your sound so rational and polite. I imagine you as the kind of person who never gives up, the kind of guy that lives with a problem, sleeps with the same problem, and wakes up with the same problem in its mind, during years but you never give up. This kind of people are the backbone of research in all fields. I really respect and admire them.

I am not of this kind, I am creative and inconstant, I don't like hard work. I want fast results. Or maybe it's just that I still haven't found the problem of my life.

But before keeping on giving different crazy and contradictory ideas I wanted to make you know that I really apreciate your way of working as it's the only way that gives continuity to the research. But I am Gemini, therefore I can not help myself being creative and inconstant. It's not my fault, the stars are to blame not me.

But I am going to try to focus on this. Let's see.

First. We need to shift ufo research from being an observational science to being an experimental science. As you know the classic example of observational sciente is astronomy, you can't fully apply scientific method because you can't conduct experiments in your lab with small suns to test your theories about stellar evolution, you can only look to existing starts of different sizes and ages.
In astronomy and in ufo research we think about questions, formulate hypotheses, and gather data related to them... but in astronomy there had been testable predictions that have been fulfilled, I don't know of any specific, testable prediction on ufology that had been fulfilled.

OBSERVATIONAL SCIENTE APPROACH. DETECT CHANGES, AND MAKE TESTABLE PREDICTIONS.

A static phenomenon , something that does not change, can not be subject to scientific research since science studies changes and how they relate. The ancien I Ching book was the 'book of changes' so this is not a new concept. Is the UFO phenomena allways the same ? Then you can't make predictions nor test them.

So first question . It evolves or it's allways the same , like a frozen picture ?

Have you detected changes in the phenomena in the last 20 o 50 years ? How they relate to possible explanations ? ( When a chart its inconclusive the best you can do its to wider the timeframe )



EXPERIMENTAL SCIENCE APPROACH. MAKE USE OF RECURRENT ABDUCTIONS.

Some people reports to have been abducted many times, and also its parents or sons. So if we had records of such people then we would had, let's say, one hundred people with a high chance to be abducted in a year.

Now imagine we
we start to follow abducted people without them knowing it. As we monitor them and make our own recordings. What would happen ?
If aliens detected we following them... how would they react ?
Lifespawn of abducted people is longer than the expected average ? This is an rough indicator of genetic quality. People abducted long time ago, who died years after, did they had a longer lifespawn than the average of their group ?

This strategy is expensive but I guess some rich people interested in this subject could provide funding for this.






This might turn into an interesting conversation, Olemundo smiley! Question you seem to pose: what is our role as human UFOlogist / UFO-students / researchers in the field of UFOlogy.

Mmm... I suppose there's no harm if I come across as "rational" or "polite". I'm not a guy but a gal though. Also, although I respect and use science, for both UFO related matters and wherever it delivers some kind of advantage, my approach isn't altogether rational/scientific.




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Perhaps I don't believe UFOlogy is a science (as your post already suggests). What I don't do (and actually hold to be impossible) is to study the UFO phenomenon from the outside, as if looking into/observing a lab experiment, something happening inside a test tube that I have a degree of control over.

Instead I am imagining Visitors to be alive and aware, engaging us in a game of their making. What we see is mostly what they are prepared to show us. It even could be dangerous to find out more than what is allowed cool... In short, I'm modelling Earth environment as if it's THEIR laboratory, with an individual human life or Human History as two different sizes test tubes.

Our chance of figuring them out is comparable to my cats outthinking me or any human family member! Of course my furry darlin's do manage to charm me out of huge bags and obscenely expensive cans of kibble/catfood. I strongly suspect the U.S. and the (former) Soviets got their hands on some ET technology and hardware, put to good use in various aviation, weapons and space programs.

Olemondo, imo UFO's aren't a scientific problem we can solve. (We tried, and apparently failed mid-20th century?)

Unidentified Flying Objects (often Flying Saucers, Spheres, Crescents whatever) is something some humans (including myself) seem to engage all of their lives. And my final imagination is that this engagement is mutual.


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« Reply #26 on: Sep 16th, 2016, 3:46pm »

It does seem like we "know" nothing new, could it be we are
looking in the wrong place?

I suspect the truth about the UFO, has always been the same,
it is the way we are doing the study of it, that is wrong.

So I think it would have to follow sumtin completely out of the box,
to move the research forward.

I suggest looking into the work of,
DAN WINTER, and DNA.
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North American aborigines preferred death to being enslaved. They had the same DNA , the same heart and were as human as the african slaves accepting slavery, the only difference was in their dreams, how they saw themselves. To kill people is easy, but it takes time to create slaves because you have to change their dreams.

Any power wanting to control us is going to change our dreams, this is the way of driving our future.
We call REALITY to something that in fact is only what we make each day to us, each day we make the reality of our cities, our jobs, but if our dreams changed all would be absurd in a second, all would change.

So, If I say that UFOs are a dream I am not saying they are fake, or of little consecuence. Dreams are the real battlefield of power. In one side the bad guys are hacking our dreams, on the other side our feelings, our future, very few fight for them.

And the world its turning year after year into a darker, more and more inhuman place. Who is in the shadows changing us ? Who is building those dreams to prevent us to have our own dreams ?

For me its clear that how we see ufos its just a performance, something its behind it and it's not fighting for our dreams and our future. That's clear.
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The first photo is the right ear of my elder son Oscar, 12 years old, he complained about a headache and tinnitus two weeks ago. The other photos are of my legs, now they are very much healed but some time ago there where marks, coin shaped, red, about two milimeters depth. At first I thought some insect had bitten me but they appeared again, during months, new marks again and again, some weeks ago I saw a small pyramid spinning under my bed. A fer days ago I feel a very strong fear on my stomach when I saw a photo of aliens, the first two seconds I tought they where ludicruous and then a sudden fear hit me on the stomach.

I just had a revelation ! The [mod edit: profanity deleted - please mind language Olemundo, we're an all ages website], this truth is simple, they come whenever they want, they take whatever they want and we cant do anything. cry
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