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« Reply #615 on: Jun 2nd, 2009, 1:05pm »

Roybass: it is not my intention to create a religious discussion. I do not believe that any religion is anything but man-made. Who dictated the material found in the Bibles and the holy books? How accurate are the translations and interpretations?
In 1955 I worked with a very powerful psychic artist named Paulina Peavey for almost 2 years and her oil paintings made masters like Rembrandt and da Vinci look like amateurs. She was taken over and possessed by very powerful ETs who controlled her paintings. Some of the beings in her oil paintings had cleft feet and horns on their heads and the hairy bodies of animals. Some of them were representing having sex with human females, similar to the mythological God Pan. I stopped working with her because I was afraid of the ET's depicted in her paintings. She died some time ago and some of her paintings were sold on eBay. Why don't you do some research and try to locate some of her paintings? I think you would find her "out of this world" oil paintings interesting!


What do you think? Irwyn
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« Reply #616 on: Jun 2nd, 2009, 8:54pm »

[quote]on May 20th, 2009, 8:57pm, roybass wrote:
Your quite right seeker.

In the book of Enoch which pre-dates the gook of genesis. The interactions with the "angels" is well described. They are human like beings and spent time with humans, educating them and even having relations.

In Genisis it stated the sons of Elohim (those who come from the sky in ancient Hebrew) saw the daughters of men were fair and made wives of them. They bore children who became great men of renown.

Timetraveler, I respect your difference but dont agree with your interpretation of what Angels are.
My interpretations of what you describe is telepathic communication with ET intelligences.
They are a carbon based organisms like ourselves.
As it is written. Elohim created man in their image after their likeness. Behold man has become as one of us. Genesis.
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Hi Roy,

Allow me please to clarify my thoughts on angels. I believe TRUE angels... those of the angellic kingdom... to be a quite distinct and separate life form from that of human and other carbon-based beings. I believe they are, as TimeTraveler states, not strictly physical in the sense that they do not possess or inhabit these clay vessels we do. I think it would be most accurate to state that they are pure energy or consciousness.

The "angels" discussed in the Bible are a whole other subject and it is THEY whom I believe to have been in actuality an advanced race of E.T.'s who DID in fact interact in physical form with human beings, even producing off-spring in some cases, and whom the general populace of the time... uneducated rustics, for the most part, who did not have a sophisticated understanding of the cosmos nor an a belief or awareness that there were other species more advanced than they living on other planetary realms and traveling the vast distances required to visit our own.... had nothing to relate to in terms of defining these beings. Because of the disparity in technological capabilities and their being the product of civilizations thousands of years older and more advanced than our own, their technological powers were thought to be supernatural, and they were thus dubbed "gods" and "angels". In reality, they were merely extraterrestrials.

I do believe true angels DO exist, though I have never seen or personally interacted with one. I have, however, felt their presence and been the recipient of their guidance, protection, and uplift. I suppose this is something that cannot be proven, thus none of us can offer a definitive answer on the subject... we can only speculate.

E.T.'s, on the other hand, I DO have personal experience with, my contacts have been with a race that is not wholey physical either (they are, in their own dimensional realm/frequency, but would be invisible to us from ours... in order to see and interact on a physical basis with them, we must be "quickened", i.e., our vibratory rate increased to correspond with theirs, lifting us into what we often refer to as the astral state. Communication with these loving beings who wish to asist humankind with their spiritual evolution are mostly conducted telepathically.

So there are some similarities between SOME alien races (not all, by any means) and the characteristics we attribute to those of the angellic kingdom, and that fact tends to muddy the waters and make the whole thing a bit of a connundrum....!

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« Reply #617 on: Jun 3rd, 2009, 12:11pm »

I have had many experiences with Angels and ETs.
They are recorded in my book, "Other Dimensions". I will share some of these excerpts with you.

"Chapter Fourteen
Angels

I believe in Angels and they form the foundation and reality structure of my belief system. They have saved my life countless times and they have intervened in my life in ways that I cannot comprehend or realize. Angels are the most “powerful” beings I have ever experienced and I have learned that they not only help you and protect you, but they also are in charge of your "life plan". If they feel that you have learned your life's curriculum they have the power to exit you from this life. On the more positive and beautiful side, they have the power to create “miracles” to heal you from incurable diseases and in some cases to “raise” you up from the dead, [usually within three days of your death].
This has been demonstrated so many times when patients have been pronounced “dead” on the operating table and then brought back to life, or when people have fallen into a freezing lake and pronounced “dead” and then miraculously revived. I believe in Angels and the miracles that they are capable of performing.
I have had many visitations and visions of Angels. Sometimes Angels have come to me not in any humanoid form but as beautiful blue color lights of pure “living energy”. This “blue light” would register on my “psychic eye” vision and remain for a few seconds and then dissipate.
When you receive information or communication from Angels or ETs it is not coming in through your normal ears or your normal eyes or any of your normal five senses. The communication is coming in through your "psychic hearing" and you are seeing what is projected through your psychic "third eye". This is an “expanded” range of your normal five senses.
When I have been in this psychic “extended” range I have seen the most beautiful colors and heard the most beautiful sounds which were “beyond” the normal spectrum of sight and hearing. The colors that I saw were so pure and vibrant that even today the colors of this physical world seem like black-and-white by comparison. Our normal physical senses are too low-frequency to receive these higher frequency transmissions.
This has happened to me when I saw the high-voltage or “energy form” of an Angel. I did not see them with my normal eyes but rather with my psychic "third eye". This could be compared with “high definition” television, which must be received by a special receiver.
One time when I was writing on a sheet of white paper in my office I saw a microscopic “spark” of brilliant white light that was so bright that the white sheet of paper appeared to be black.
I "knew" that this microscopic “spark” of white light was an Angel, and I had the psychic realization at that time, that this individual Angel could merge with 10,000 other Angel “sparks” of white light and yet each one of them would maintain their own separate identity.
The sighting of an Angel is interpreted by the, "eyes of the beholder". Different witnesses will see different things based on their life experiences, religious beliefs and expectations. I have been taught that the same Angel who comes to a religious Catholic as the “Virgin Mary” will come to the religious Jew as “Moses”, etc.
I believe that Angels cannot be seen in their “true” state of being because of their high voltage and high frequency; therefore, they take “shapes” and “forms” convenient to the “eyes of the beholder”. Angels, in their “true” state do not have wings or resemble in any way the commonly accepted depictions.
Persons who have reported seeing Angels, including biblical accounts, did not see the “actual” Angels. What they saw were “representations” of their own mental and religious expectations and beliefs.
Do you recall the famous story of the school children who were locked in a classroom in the school building by a “crazy” bomber and his girlfriend? Before the bomb was exploded the children saw Angels who looked like the “mother image”, or the “female teacher image” and these Angels told the children to lie down at the back of the room and they “shielded” the children from harm and death. This was the “representation” form that the Angels chose to take based on the “expectations” of the children.
When I was twenty-three years old, I lived at a YM-YWHA in Manhattan and I lived alone in my room. This was the first time that I had lived alone in a room without my family. This became my opportunity to develop my psychic abilities in a secluded environment.
Every night, for a period of about six months, when I would go to sleep, I would have a dream in which I was in a “classroom”. Every night I was in a different “classroom”. One night I was in the “classroom” of an old public school that had old desks with ink wells. Another night I was in a junior high school that had the tables and chairs put together. On another night I was in a “chemistry lab” in a college.
I was aware that the other “students” in the “classrooms” with me were “not from this world”. They were from another world. They all had “perfect” features. There wasn't a pimple or a blemish on their faces. There wasn't a hair out of place. Every one of them was calm, stabilized, at peace. They all emanated light from themselves. They were “perfect” beings, compared to me.
There are special types of Angels who are our “Guardian Angels”. We all have “Guardian Angels” assigned to us. These are Angels who are assigned to us to teach us and protect us in the course of many lifetimes.
They have the authority to make “decisions” for us regarding our birth and death. They choose when we will be born and where and our sex and our family, as well as our relationship in the family. The decisions that they make are always in the best interests of our learning and development.
For instance, we might hear a story of a famous musician who has just achieved “fame” and “recognition” and who dies in a plane crash. We feel sorry for this person because their career has been cut short. But in this case his “Guardian Angel” evaluated his soul and determined that his brief success was enough to finish that particular learning. If that person was “determined” to be capable of learning other types of teachings his “Guardian Angel” would not have “removed” him from life.
During this period of time when I was being taught by Angels, I saw this visualization;
I saw a hillock with a valley below it “unfold” in the distance. In the valley were many tents, like the tents of an ancient “biblical” army, and from the top of each of these tents floated a brightly colored pennant. The valley was a great distance away from the hill, and a “river” flowed between the hillock and the tents.
I looked at this hillock, and I was awestruck. I saw the most magnificent black horse that I have ever seen. It was a high spirited horse that seemed to be made of “living energy”. The horse was pawing at the ground, as if ready to go into battle.
As I watched I noticed a “figure” seated on the horse wearing pure silver armor that looked like a “Joan of Arc”. I could only see a part of the face, which was revealed by an open visor, and it was the face neither of a man nor of a woman but the face of an androgen.
This figure held the horse in check with the control of a few fingers on the reins, and I was aware that I was seeing my “Guardian Angel”. I knew that this Angel was my Angel who watched over me and taught me and was the “teacher” in charge of me.
As I watched, I saw this Angel slowly pull the horse around to the left side and lead the horse down into the valley into the land of the tents. I “knew” that these tents were the “world of the Angels”, and I “realized” that the “river” that was in the valley was symbolic of the divider that separated my world from the Angel worlds.
When I saw this Angel go down this hillock into the valley, I was so saddened, so heartbroken because I was “losing” a beautiful Angel.
As I felt this anguish of losing this Angel, I was “told” that what I was seeing was the “changing of the guard”, (God), the time when a “Guardian Angel”, who many have been with you many lifetimes, is finished with your teaching and another “Guardian Angel” teacher takes "his" place. I felt as if I had lost a dear friend.
In the Angel state there is no male or female. Angels are androgynous. They can “become” any form or sex that they wish. They are not limited by the conditions of sickness or death and they do not practice sex or procreate. These conditions exist only in our physical world.
Angels do not require a physical vehicle such as a UFO to travel because their composition is “energy” and often they make their appearance as “balls” of intense colored energy light. They take “forms” and “shapes” whenever they have to communicate with humans who need to communicate with a “physical type” being.
We cannot comprehend the worlds of Angels due to the limitations of our minds and to the fact that we have no points of reference to compare the worlds of Angels to the world of human beings. In order for me to “see” the “big picture” of creation and to facilitate my search for understanding, I do not consider Angels to be religious entities but rather as more “advanced” beings from higher dimensional worlds.
I welcome diverse, but interesting theories and opinions, that's what makes an intelligent conversation. I believe that the conscious mind is the "stupid" mind and that the subconscious mind is capable of a “higher” level of thinking and communication with entities from higher worlds and dimensions. For me the conscious mind is like my “computer”, it can only function with “input” and logic based on information stored in its “databanks”.
Angels and ETs communicate with us in “dreams” and “visions” and by putting us into a "trance like" state of “mind control”.
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"The reason for this is very simple. The information and belief systems “stored” in the conscious mind interferes with the higher frequency of communication from "higher world" beings. This creates “resistance”, whereas the “dream state”, or “vision” state is a much easier medium for this type of communication.
A good example of this is Edgar Cayce, also known as, "The Sleeping Prophet". The Angels had to put him in an unconscious sleep state to “bypass” his conscious mind, because his conscious mind was “programmed” with religious teachings and concepts. Therefore, he had to be "put under" in order for these higher frequency "inspired" teachings to "come through". Spiritualist mediums similarly receive their inspired teachings, while in a "trance state".
Problems that seem too difficult to solve in the "waking" or conscious mind state are often solved by the subconscious mind in the sleep or "dream state". Let us try to understand that Angels and beings from higher worlds are higher frequency, they have to “step down” their vibrations like a step down transformer has to convert a higher frequency to a lower frequency. That is why we do not “really” receive inspired teachings or messages from the “departed” or “spirits” of the dead. They do not have the power to "raise" themselves. The communication comes from Angels who “impersonate” the deceased, in order to maintain comfort and contact with human beings.
I know it is very difficult for most people to understand the worlds of Angels. There are many recorded incidents in the Bible where religious figures have been contacted by ET's from UFOs and they have been “recorded” in the bibles as Angels.
There are many accounts in the King James Bible of Angels coming to biblical characters to assure them that an upcoming battle with superior forces would be won by them.
In some instances Angels are sent as “messengers” to “warn” or to reassure certain people. The incident of Sodom and Gomorrah required Angels to warn Lot and his family to flee before the destruction of these cities would take place. Sometimes, Angels come as messengers to “predict” an important event.
There are many stories from ancient books and bibles of evil Angels pretending to be good in order to work their evil mischief. Sometimes evil Angels masquerade as priests or holy men to lead people astray and to confuse them. That is why Satan and his Angels are called, "The Great Deceivers". As we grow in evolution we develop an inner “radar" or a protective sense that warns us and protects us from doers of evil. I believe that there are good and evil Angels. I believe that at various times in the past there were “wars” in the "Heavens" between the good and evil Angels. I believe that these battles and wars were recorded in various bibles and ancient religions, as well as in mythology. I believe that very few people can “understand” the meaning of what is written in the bibles.
Most of us have had experiences with Angel messengers unbeknownst to ourselves. Sometimes we recognize them, sometimes we do not. Nobody has really seen an Angel in its “true” form, unless they have seen the brilliant "spark" of high energy electricity, which is the “true” energy form of an Angel.
Many times Angels or ETs from higher dimensional worlds are sent to lower worlds to raise the vibrations, or to monitor the activities of a planet or world system, if it is perceived that there is the danger of imminent self-destruction. This is what is being done on this planet at this time to protect the balance and integrity of the universe.
Angels are from different dimensional worlds and are able to circumvent the physical laws of our world. I believe that they have the power of “life-and-death” and that they are able to see the future and to manipulate time. Because we cannot comprehend this does not mean that it does not exist."............ Irwyn
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Chapter Twenty-Six
Angels and UFOs
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"I have had numerous contacts and communications with Angels and UFOs. Yet, sometimes what I believe to be an ET exhibits the behavior and characteristics of an Angel. This makes it very difficult for me to properly “differentiate” between Angels and ETs. To illustrate my quandary, here is a recounting of some of the different types of contacts which I have had with Angels and ETs.
My first UFOs sighting was when I was about 14 years old which was 1944.
I was on the beach in Coney Island, Brooklyn and I looked up at the sky and I saw a “stationary” object that seemed to be gently “rocking” in the wind. It looked like a “dirigible” and it was black in color and it had what appeared to be a “gondola” underneath it and there were “ropes or cables” hanging from the gondola.
This “object” was no more than 500 feet above the ground and when I looked at the gondola I did not see any evidence of any “personnel” on board. I thought that this was a dirigible that had broken loose from its moorings in New Jersey and had drifted away.
I turned away from this “object” for several seconds and when I looked again it was “gone”. I thought it was “odd” that there was no one on board and that it could have “disappeared” so quickly. When I got older and became interested in UFOs I realize that what I had probably seen was a “mother ship” UFO.
When I was 19 years old I was in the backyard of my mother's house in Brooklyn and I was looking at the stars with an eight power pair of binoculars. I was looking at the “Big Dipper” in particular.
Then, I noticed what appeared to be one of the “stars” just “glide” across that constellation. When I followed it with the binoculars, it was an “amber colored” globe of “light” and although I looked at it with the binoculars I did not see any “structure” or solid material.
When I tried to "sense" the structure of that UFO, I felt that it was not a “spacecraft” in the orthodox sense but was rather a “living being” manifesting as a globe of “light”. I also "sensed" that this amber colored “light” was a “messenger” that was communicating with other UFOs.
When I was in my 20s, I had friends who were very interested in UFOs. I was interested both in “psychic development” and UFOs and they wanted me to go with them to stay at the home of the UFO author, George Hunt Williamson in Arizona, because he was “contacting” UFOs.
I had this quandary, and in the midst of this crisis of trying to choose whether to go with them or stay and develop psychically, I had the following experience;
I went to bed that night, but before I went to sleep I had the conviction that I was going to meet a UFO that night and make a “contact”. I went to sleep, and I had a “dream”.
In this “dream” I saw myself at a “train station” that was “elevated” above street level, and I was standing and watching the trains come in. I was “waiting” to meet someone from a UFO, and I was visualizing in my mind that he had to look “unusual”. I anticipated that “he” would have an “antenna” coming out of “his” head or be green and 12 feet tall. I was looking for somebody “abnormal looking”.
As I was looking for somebody abnormal I didn't notice a “man” walking toward me. I overlooked him because I was looking for somebody “weird” and here was this “normal” looking “man” walking toward me. When he was about two feet in front of me, I noticed “him” and he said to me, "Mr. Greif, I believe you're waiting for me".
I looked at “him” and I saw that he was about 5 foot 6 inches tall, had a British type mustache, a ruddy complexion, twinkling blue eyes, brown hair, and was wearing a salt-and-pepper business suit. He looked like a typical “Madison Avenue” advertising man. When he said, “I believe you're waiting for me”, I knew that this was my "contact".
We walked down the stairs to the street level, and when our feet touched the sidewalk, the whole scene “changed”. Instead of a modern street, it became a “biblical desert”.
Time was turned “back” to the time of the “Old Testament”, and I saw that this desert was a “plain” that “stretched out” in front of me. At the end of this plain was a “silver river”. We walked together “side-by-side” alongside this “river”.
As soon as this “scene” had changed, this “man” who had been about 5 foot 6 and about my height when I met “him”, started to “grow” until “he” became 6 feet tall and “his” clothes became the “biblical robes” of a prophet of the “Old Testament”. When I was walking next to “him”, I felt that I was in the presence of a being that was “God-like”. I was “awed” by the magnificent vibrations of this great being. I felt so humble and so respectful.
The being “talked” to me into my right ear, and I remember turning my head because “he” was taller than me and I wanted to hear what “he” was saying. I cannot remember the words, but I remember that “his” voice was like “pure liquid silver” and “his” words went through my ear and into my soul.
I was “told” at that time that I was given “teachings” that were intended for the future, that someday I would remember these words “when it was right for me to remember”, and that these words were impressed “deep into my soul”......Irwyn
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"In July in the 1960s I was working at the Grand Central Post Office station in Manhattan as a clerk. I was hurrying to work and I knew that I must get to work on time or be “written up”. It was about 3:45 in the afternoon and it was a sunny day in July and the sidewalks were crowded with people.
I was south of Lexington Avenue and East 42nd Street and walking very briskly while trying to “dodge” the heavy pedestrian traffic. As I was looking straight ahead, I suddenly “felt” that a “portion” of my skull in the back of my head had been “removed” in an area of about 5 inches in diameter.
It “felt” to me as if I was having a “lobotomy operation” and I could feel the “coolness” inside my head and a loss of bone density in this area. This area of my head became “numb”. This feeling of “numbness” was very similar to the feeling that one experiences when a foot or an arm “falls asleep” due to the “pinching off” of a nerve.
Then I saw with amazing clarity, as if I had an “eye” in this “missing” area of my head, a “disk shaped” UFO which I “knew” to be about 250 miles above the Earth. This “craft” was gently rocking back and forth as if in a gentle “magnetic breeze”. I was able to “see” into the “interior” of the UFO whose dimensions I sensed to be about 18 feet in diameter by about nine feet high.
I saw three “men” inside this craft. They all appeared to be about 5 ft. 6 inches tall. They all had white skin; black hair, grey eyes, and they all looked “identical” in appearance. They were each dressed in a “grey colored mechanics type overall”, which had no buttons or zippers or any apparent method of opening or closing this garment.
My inner “feeling” was that these “men” were not physical persons or “life forms” as we know them but were manufactured artificial intelligence “constructions” that were “designed” to operate this UFO.
One “man” had his back to me and was seated on a raised “plastic type” molded chair. He was facing a “crescent shaped” keyboard that had rows of many different “colored lights” and he was not touching the “keys” with his hands but only passing his hands over the “keys” to activate the controls. This keyboard somehow reminded me of the “music organ at Radio City Music Hall”. I “knew” that this keyboard was the “operating panel” for this UFO.
Another “man” was walking from the left side of the UFO toward the “center”. The third “man” was bent over a central “support column” which ran from the ceiling to the floor and made me think of the “center axis of a gyroscope”.
He was peering into a black “binocular type sighting device”, which somehow reminded me of a “Norden bomb-sight”. I realized that he was watching me through this instrument.
Then, I saw what looked like a “steel cable” coming from the bottom of the UFO and connecting to the back of my head where I felt the “numbness”, and although I knew it was not a physical cable, I sensed that it was to show me that a “communication connection” had been made from this UFO to my brain.
The “cable” followed my every movement as I dodged the human traffic on the street, and I felt that I was “connected mentally” to that UFO.
During that day at work I tried to “believe” that this experience had really happened to me, but it was so unbelievable to me that my mind was inclined to dismiss it as a hallucination.
When I returned home that night after work, within a block of my house, I saw a brilliant “flash” of “silver light” streak from one end of the sky to the other like the blurred movement of a silver colored “metallic object”. This “silver light” traveled across the sky at a speed almost too fast for the eye to follow.
At this point I looked at my watch and I saw that the time was exactly 3:40 AM, “exactly” 12 hours after the UFO sighting experience. I took this to be a “confirmation” from the UFO that my experience had been real.
In 1973 my family and I traveled to Montréal Canada. During this trip, I experienced a “raising of consciousness” when I sat on the grass at the base of a gigantic “aluminum cross” that was located on a hill in Mount Royale. The wind vibrated this cross and the “high frequency sound”, which was produced, lifted me to a “spiritual ecstasy”.
During my visit to Montréal I visited a Spiritualist church and Reverend Rawls “ordained” me as a “minister” of the Spiritualist church. I was “amazed” that after knowing me for only two days she chose to ordain me as a minister. She asked me to lecture to her congregation, to which I agreed.
In the “cosmic reality” which is the "big picture" our deeds are not as “important” as our thoughts. Our deeds are confined to this system of life and only have a value on a limited basis, and only within a limited time frame. But our thoughts and our communication can uplift and raise the level of understanding and consciousness of a person or of a group of people.
This was made apparent to me in the lecture which I did in Montreal at that Spiritualist church. My lecture subject was, "UFOs and Angel worlds". The audience was mostly French-Canadians who understood very little English.
I was speaking at a “high level” of inspiration, and as I lectured I thought to myself, why am I speaking on such a high level when most of the audience cannot understand English?
At this time I looked at some of the faces in the audience and my attention was drawn to two “men” who were seated in the center row. When I looked at their eyes, I “knew” that they were, “not of this world”. There was the calmness and centered look of Angels in their eyes, and I knew they were Angels or UFO beings. I realized that they were “raising the frequency” of my lecture in order to “raise” the audience to a “higher level”.
After the lecture while I was seated in the rear of the church these two “men” came over to me and they smiled at me. One of these “men” said, "That was a fine lecture, Mr. Greif, "and the other “man” said, "You are the first "real" human being that I have met." At that time I felt honored as if I had just been “awarded” a cosmic, “Academy Award”.
Were these two “men” the same “men” who appeared as Angels to Lot in the bible? This was an entirely different type of Angel or UFO or ET experience, I had apparently contacted a higher intelligence entity in a “humanoid” form.
My most recent UFO “sighting” occurred in the summer of 2004 in the sky above Port St. Lucie, Florida. I was walking with my wife Connie about 7:30 in the morning and I looked up at the sky and I saw a “copper” colored, “pear shaped” UFO that was “stationary”. Regretfully, I did not have my camera with me.
I was aware that there were no “military bases” in this area, but there is an “atomic power plant” in St. Lucie County, in the general area of this UFO sighting. I “realize” now that this particular UFO was "mapping" the details and data of this atomic reactor. The “thinking” involved here is that UFOs or ETs do not perform random acts of appearance or contact unless there is a purpose to it.
Some ETs apparently have the ability to "morph" or "shape shift" or to take on any appearance that they wish. Some of the UFOs sightings seen in the skies over Mexico City in Mexico, have reported what appeared to be a “physical” UFO craft "morphing" into an “energy ship”, and then “disappearing”. In addition, some of the UFOs observed may be “holograms”. We are dealing with very advanced and sophisticated technology and we shall have to learn “new physics” and “inter-dimensional” travel logistics in order to understand them and their technology.
There are differences in the behavior of Angels and some types of UFOs. The crew of the “laboratory UFOs”, for instance, are usually artificial intelligence constructions which are manufactured to perform tasks and experiments and do research. They are very “focused” and “unemotional”. Their main program and objective is to fulfill their duties.
They do not demonstrate a sense of humor or “emotional responses”, except to “absorb” and imitate the emotions of the abductees. Angels on the other hand, are extremely emotional and many times respond to the thoughts and feelings of human beings.
We cannot comprehend the power of the “spoken word”. When our thoughts are expressed into sounds they become a vibration which affects not only the listeners but also the “Ethers” which connect all creation.
Thoughts and words can raise a person’s consciousness level. The subject is then subconsciously “broadcasting” this expanded consciousness vibration mentally into the “etheric realm” as “energy thought waves”.
This will have the effect of “raising” the vibration level of our world and affecting the entire universe. This is similar to “skimming” a flat pebble onto the surface of a lake and causing ripples to travel across the entire lake.
It is easier to “understand” the universe if you realize that everything in the universe is “connected” and that every thought, event or action “affects” the entire universe. No thought or action is ever “lost”. They are recorded in the ethers and can be accessed from the “time continuum”. The “time continuum”, or as the great psychic Edgar Casey called it, the “Akashic records” is a history of every event and happening since the beginning of creation. These “books” of the “Akashic records” are stored in the ethers.
This would explain how UFOs and beings from other dimensions know our past, present and future. They have the ability to access and “read” our history and future from the “time continuum”.
At this time in our history our planet is enveloped in a “dark cloud” of negative vibrations. Let us dissipate this darkness with the light of hope and faith and the belief that we can change our world by connecting to our Angels and our higher selves.
When we are inspired by Angels to think or speak or write higher concepts of thought we are helping raise the vibrational frequency of this world."
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"The Angels inspire higher communication to act as a “catalyst” and a “platform” for them to raise the consciousness levels of people. Our participation is important to assist the Angels in this most important work. We can help “change” our world to be a better place by thinking and speaking higher thoughts.
What if, some of these UFOs are the architects that designed us, who are now looking to “redesign” us, as an “improved” generation? What if, the Angels that are recorded in ancient bibles and religious texts were UFO beings?
What if, these UFOs have the answers to who we are, who created us, and where we go from here? What if, all creation and everything that exists is living, intelligent “energy plasma” like a humongous fabric of creation?
What if, the only difference between matter and energy is the “difference in frequency”? What if, the way to navigate creation and to “travel inter-dimensional” is to be able to “change” frequency?
These concepts would explain why UFOs are able to employ a higher form of physics and performance that we cannot comprehend. Let us stop trying to measure them with our scientific “six-inch ruler” and learn to think with an abstract “quantum physics” variation of logic.
In order to understand the mysteries of the UFOs and “inter-dimensional travel” we have to learn to think a different way. Our physics is from the physical world that we live in and does not apply or relates to their worlds.
Our mathematical and scientific logic does not work in understanding other dimensional worlds and the worlds of UFOs. What we have learned in our schools and books will not help us. The laws of science that apply to the physical world that we live in do not apply to “their” worlds. "They" are not subject to our “physical laws”.
We have to learn to think in abstract logic. E.g.: two plus two equals five. The shortest distance in space is a curved line. The physics law that, “two bodies cannot occupy the same space at the same time”, is not true in the other dimensional worlds of Angels and UFOs. Our physics law that, “for every action there is a reaction”, does not apply in the world of UFOs.
In order to understand “them” and their worlds we have to learn to think in a “new” abstract and quantum physics “random type” logic. We have to expand our minds to be able to think and visualize and concept “out of the box”. That is the only way that we can understand the UFOs phenomena and comprehend the “reality” of other dimensional worlds.
In the book written about Betty and Barney Hill regarding their “abduction” Barney Hill stated that he had no intention of traveling that particular route but he traveled it anyway. It is apparent to me that the UFOs are able to either predict where someone will be or to control that person to make them go where they want. This is a frightening form of “mind control”.
I also believe that the “Roswell crashed UFO” was not an accident but was premeditated in order to give us research material and to “jumpstart” us in a new direction.
It is “obvious” to me that ETs are from “other dimensions”. The “powers” that they exhibit both mentally and physically “prove” my theory. We have tried to knock down the UFOs with our physical weapons and even our most advanced missiles but they have avoided being hit, similar to a “bull fighter” dodging a bull. They have made fun of our best weapons and ridiculed our attempts to harm or destroy them.
There are many occasions when physical communication and monitoring devices are “implanted” in many abductees. Usually when the abductees discover the implants and plan to have it “surgically removed” the ETs “visit” the abductees and retrieve the implants.
As a “psychic” over a period of many years I was able to discover that at least 10 persons whom I had “analyzed” were “implanted” with a monitoring device by the UFOs, similar to the "tagging" of living creatures by our sciences in order to monitor their life functions.
If you “step back” in order to see the “big picture” you'll see a gigantic mosaic of interacting and interrelating phenomenon which are necessary to prepare and condition human beings for this planetary transition.
Books are being written which “appear” to be science-fiction, movies are being made about monsters and aliens and “artificial intelligence” creatures.
I believe that the entire media is being controlled and manipulated by Angels or angelic UFOs as mental and emotional preparation for the global transition that this world will undergo between 2010 and 2012.
Consider the “Nazca drawings” and the “crop circle” geometrics. These were designed to influence and stimulate “subliminally” the minds of people. Now, ET communication is using all forms of media. Only a limited number will benefit from this dispensation of learning. Let us be included in that limited number."


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Hi timetraveler its been awhile since I have spoken to you, you are right in some aspects to your angels but it is you your soul who decides before you are born which lesson it is you want to learn and to whom you will be born to to learn it as well you also choose when you pass on this all happens before you enter you physical bodies, sure we have a say as do the angels but it is you your soul who makes the final desitions. I know you know what I am taking about because you already know who I am, Angels are there to guide you and to keep you on the path that you have choosen and to be your shadow so to speak, so that if you stray they guide you back again. They also protect you in times of danger, that were not a part of your learning plan, and they will guide you back to the one when you have completed your learning path. Just a bit of enlightenment. Talk to you soon
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Whitewolf; I beg to disagree with you.

You remind me of a vision that I had a long time ago. In this vision I saw myself as an adult body and there was a white cloth tied tightly around my forehead, which I believe was to hold my mind inside my head. There were two Angels, one on each side of me and I knew that they were putting me in the, "birth canal" to be born. I did not wish to be born into this Earth system because it was a physical World and I was used to existing in a mental World. But in spite of my objections, I was forced to be born. So, I was born into this Earth system under protest.
But I have realized that I was not born to punish me but rather to teach me and for me to be of use in the transition of this Planet from an animal World to a more angelic World.

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whitewolf; let me speak in a language that you can understand.

Many years ago the sky people came down in their big canoes, [UFOs], and they went to the medicine men of all of the different tribes in the United States and they warned them that when the buffalo were gone all of the Indian tribes would be devastated and they told the Indian tribes to travel north to survive. The medicine men did not believe this warning because the buffalo was so numerous and they believed that the spirit of the "white buffalo" would protect them.


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Hi, timetraveler,
I see you already forgot who I am, and if so then you will not remember anything that I have told you in the past. Or when I touched your shoulder I have been many many many forms to noumerous for you to comprehend. Many have called me The Goddess of Three and many more have called me the Goddess of Love, Smithcraft, and all that is magic or medicine some will call it. Millions have seen me in there dreams as a white light others as a white wolf and many others as a beautiful woman bathed in a white glow with the awsome feeling of Love emenating from my very being I am from that so called electrical place were one day it will be my turn to create beings, for know I am here to help all understand who and what and why they are here and to save a few who will remain here upon this earth, for the new begining and they already know who they are for they have already seen me in dream. For everyone else I am here to help them transend into that higher plane, and if they do not wish to learn then I must let them go. I see all and here all when you pray for love or help it is me that appears. Like I was called when the plane crashed into the atlantic ocean the other day I was watching it crash and I know were it is I helped all to transed because yes it was there turn and they called out to me, otherwise i would not have been there to see it happen. I can not explain any more you will only have to witness it when the time comes.

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« Reply #626 on: Jun 12th, 2009, 8:39pm »

There are many different species and civilizations. Some are interested in the earth, some not. That is why people see so many types of craft in our skies. For some of them visiting the earth is little more than an elementary school field trip.

The infamous Greys just happen to be the closest neighbors to earth.That is why so many people claim to have seen them. They visit earth often. If you were close neighbors to a species as savage, cruel, warlike, sadistic, arrogant and aggressive as mankind you would keep a close eye on us, too.

But, it's not the Greys you need to worry about. It's the ones variously called the Old Ones, The First Born, The First Aware, The Old Women, etc. that you really should focus your minds on. They are the most intelligent, most powerful, oldest, and most advanced species in this quadrant of the universe. They were the first to stand upright and become self-aware. They were exploring the stars when we were still close cousins to the lemurs. Their technology is so advanced that there are no words or concepts to describe it. Our current physics is on a par with a witch doctor beating a log with a stick compared to theirs.

They are only marginally interested in us. They've seen our kind come and go. They visit on occasion just to make certain the natives won't cause any trouble. If the day ever comes when we figure out what their propulsion system is, they'll drop in and read us the riot act. There'll be no expeditions to other inhabited planets to see what we can plunder, rob, steal or colonize. It's a bit like that Prime Directive in Star Trek, but it cuts both ways. Why do you think there's been no official alien delegation to the UN? The Old Ones make the rules and nobody, but nobody, crosses them.

Oh, and don't even think about talking to them as equals. They are proud and aloof and brook no interference in their affairs. As far as they are concerned this is their universe and we are late comers to the party.

What do they look like? They would scare you down to your socks if you saw one. There's more than one morphological type, but their basic design is a cross between a five foot tall ant and a human skeleton. Their idea of beauty is orange and thin. Their heads are huge, their brains enormous, their eyes are black and come far down their faces, and they are surprisingly strong and quick.Their skin is a coppery color and tough as insect chitin.

Oh, and they are telepathic. That's one reason they view us humans as little more than high level animals. They think of us the way we might think of a rhesus monkey. We're smart in our own way, but how do you talk to one? Most spacefaring species are telepathic. That's something we're going to have to deal with when and if the day comes. Why do you think they are doing all of that genetic manipulation on us on the sly? Is it because they want to create hybrids for the sake of hybrids? No, it's all about communication. They can't talk to us and we can't understand them. (Check out the Old Testament story where "god" spoke to the Hebrews in the desert and their heads almost exploded. They pleaded with "god" never to speak to them directly again. He said he wouldn't. Don't you find that a strange way for a "god" to behave? Their telepathic powers simply swamp our brains and drive us crazy. We can't take it. It's like hearing a hundred bullhorns at once. And lets not even throw Christianity into the mix. That's just an absurd fairy tale.) And, lest you doubt any of this, be clear that a "universal translator" isn't all that easy or simple or precise. Think about talking to a dolphin. How would you go about it? Or even more to the point, how would you talk to a bee? Not so easy, huh?

How do I know all this, you might ask? Check out my screen name. There's a hint for you. The truth is, I don't care if any of you believe me or not. I probably shouldn't be telling you any of this anyway, but now that the French may come clean about what they know I reckon it's just a matter of time before the UK and USA follows suit. What a storm that will be, too. It'll be like entering adolescence. I just wish Arthur C. Clarke were still alive. He'd be a happy man.

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I am having a problem relating to your descriptions of ET's. I have been contacted by Angels in their high energy state. I have been contacted by UFOs as physical projections. I have been contacted by human like ET's. And I have been attacked many times by demonic creatures from the fourth dimension. I submit these excerpts from my book,"Other Dimensions".

"I've had several experiences with other Worlds in the form of attacks against my person. There is one particular attack that I wish to recount because I believe that it was a "force of evil"[foe] from another World, possibly from the fourth dimension. The attacker was very real and very physical and I was almost killed.

About the 1970s or 1980s, [when I was married to my first wife], I had just finished doing a psychic reading and I was very pleased with myself.
I was taking a shower in my bathtub and I was standing near the water faucet. At this point I saw at the other end of this bathtub a six-foot tall, reddish colored “cat” dressed in a tuxedo and standing upright on its hind legs. I felt the evil that emanated from this giant “cat” and my breathing was overpowered by a strong bad smell like sulfur or possibly like a cat in heat.

This suffocating smell was interfering with my breathing and I was afraid that I was going to die of suffocation and at this point I mentally and physically said, "God help me". The “cat” then vanished, but I could not get that evil smell out of my brain and out of my nostrils for several weeks.

Evidently my cry for help was heard.


In 1973 I was giving a lecture in Montreal at a Spiritualist church at the request of Reverend Rawls, and my lecture subject was, "UFOs and Angel Worlds". The audience was mostly French-Canadians who understood very little English.
I was speaking at a high level of inspiration, and as I lectured I thought to myself, why am I speaking on such a high level when most of the audience cannot understand English?
At this time I looked at some of the faces in the audience and my attention was drawn to two “men” who were seated in the center row. When I looked at their eyes, I knew that they were not of this world. There was the calmness and centered look of Angels in their eyes, and I knew they were Angels or UFO Beings. I realized that they were raising the frequency of my lecture in order to raise the audience to a higher level.
After the lecture while I was seated in the rear of the church these two “men” came over to me and they smiled at me. One of these “men” said, "That was a fine lecture, Mr. Greif, "and the other “man” said, "You are the first "real" Human being that I have met." At that time I felt honored as if I had just been awarded the cosmic Academy Award.

My quandary has been are UFO's really Angels? Or, are Angels really UFO beings? I have lifted one of my experiences from an earlier posting and I am posting it here for your perusal.
This is a common practice of UFOs to seed the minds of certain people for future awakening. This has also happened to me. I will recount this experience as follows;

Are UFOs Angels?

I have had several contacts and communications with Angels and UFOs. My dilemma is that sometimes I do not know if the UFO contacts are really Angels. Here are some examples from my book, "Other Dimensions".

"When I was in my 20s, I had friends who were interested in UFOs. I was interested both in psychic development and UFOs, and they wanted me to go with them to George Hunt Williamson in Arizona because he was contacting UFOs.

I had this quandary, and in the midst of this crisis of trying to choose whether to go with them or stay and develop psychically, I had the following experience. I went to bed one night, but before I went to sleep, I had the conviction that I was going to meet a flying saucer that night and make a contact. I went to sleep, and I had a dream. In this dream I saw myself at a train station that was elevated above street level, and I was standing and watching the trains come in. I was waiting to meet a flying saucer person, and I was visualizing in my mind that he had to look unusual. He probably would have an antenna coming out of his head or be green and 12 feet tall. I was looking for somebody abnormal looking.

As I was looking for somebody abnormal I didn't notice a man walking toward me. I overlooked him because I was looking for somebody weird, and here was this normal man walking toward me. When he was about two feet in front of me, I noticed him and he said to me, "Mr. Greif I believe you're waiting for me". I looked at him and I saw that he was about 5 foot 6 inches tall, had a British type mustache, a ruddy complexion, twinkling blue eyes, brown hair, and was wearing a salt-and-pepper business suit. He looked like a typical Madison Avenue businessman. When he said I believe you're waiting for me I knew that this was my "contact".

We walked down the stairs to the street level, and when our feet touched the sidewalk, the whole scene changed. Instead of a modern street, it became a biblical desert. Time was turned back to the time of the Old Testament, and I saw that this desert was a plain that stretched out in front of me. At the end of this plain was a silver river. We walked together side-by-side alongside this river.

As soon as this scene had changed, this figure who had been about 5 foot 6 and about my height when I met him, started to grow until he became 6 feet tall and his clothes became the biblical robes of a prophet of the Old Testament. When I was walking next to him, I felt in the presence of a being who was godlike. I was awed by the magnificent vibrations of this great being. I felt so humble and so respectful.

The being talked to me into my right ear, and I remember turning my head because he was taller than me and I wanted to hear what he was saying. He talked into my ear and I cannot remember the words, but I remember that his voice was like pure liquid silver and his words went through my ear and into my Soul. I was told at that time that I was given teachings that were intended for the future, that someday I would remember these words when it was right for me to remember, and that these words were impressed deep into my soul. "


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« Reply #628 on: Jun 29th, 2009, 1:37pm »

Apparentally the average banana has 78% of the same DNA as us, so somewhere in the universe there must be some sort of odd creature with practically no DNA similarities.
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Timetraveler,

Does '"The Association To Advance Ethical Hypnosis' mean anything to you ?

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