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« Reply #735 on: Apr 18th, 2011, 7:58pm »

on Feb 24th, 2011, 12:43pm, drwu23 wrote:
My question is why do they look so much like us....?
Is it a universal anthropic driven thing , are we their genetic product, or is there another factor involved?


It is my guess that there is a definite reason for ET looking so much like the humanoids on this planet. To start with, might it not have something to do with the particular ETs coming to this planet? And probably something to do with the way we got to this rock as well?

There has to be at least one solid reason as to why we fail to snap neatly into this ecosystem we live in doesn't there? We come so close to miss it by so far ........... doesn't that strike you as being a little on the odd side?
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« Reply #736 on: Apr 19th, 2011, 4:01pm »

on Apr 18th, 2011, 7:58pm, icepick wrote:
It is my guess that there is a definite reason for ET looking so much like the humanoids on this planet. To start with, might it not have something to do with the particular ETs coming to this planet? And probably something to do with the way we got to this rock as well?

There has to be at least one solid reason as to why we fail to snap neatly into this ecosystem we live in doesn't there? We come so close to miss it by so far ........... doesn't that strike you as being a little on the odd side?


Actually no;...I have no major problem with evolution as it is currently proposed (there are weak areas but I think in time we will figure them out), nor do I see a compelling reason to think 'aliens' had anything to do with our develpoment via some form of genetic enhancement which might explain why we look like them.
It is not unlikely that 'humanoid bipeds' might evolve on other worlds but it is very unlikely they would look very much like us down to blond hair and blue eyes like the alleged Nordics. This is fantasy imo or there is some other more bizarre reason for this.
IMO some people need or want to believe such things because it fits their personal paradigm.
Where are all the space alens that look like Predator or any other ugly alien? Why do they all have 2 eyes, 2 arms, 2 legs, etc ...? Only the reported 'greys' look significantly different from us and they look like us in embryonic/fetal form. What's up here..?

There simply isn't any actual evidence to support any of these claims. So shouldn't we be true skeptics on this and other similar issues rather than jump down the rabbit hole ?
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« Reply #737 on: Apr 22nd, 2011, 09:26am »

Aliens tend to divide into two groups, one made up of solid contrivances and the other of nebulous or cloudlike units.
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« Reply #738 on: Apr 25th, 2011, 03:41am »

Well I have been into this for a couple of years now and have done my fair bit of research on species.

The Greys tend to be the more commonly known species, greyish colour/greenish grey colour and other variety of colours, be from 4 ft to 6ft tall. Slanted black eyes, slits for nose and mouth, bigger head than body, more intelligent than humans, a slave race and it has been official that there is a minimum of 12 species of Greys. One of the rarest Grey is known as the Mantis Grey and looks bit of a mantis but more like an elder.

There is also the Reptillian Race which are more of a royalty species and the more hostile species. They are said to be the leaders of the Greys and it is said that some of them are already on earth. One of the species of these are called Dracos and the Lizardman of Orc Swamp is rumoured that it could be a species of these Reptillian aliens.

There are so many more including the Nordic which are more human like and a goblin like alien race which attacked a family and farmhouse in Kentucky.


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« Reply #739 on: Apr 25th, 2011, 1:10pm »

on Apr 25th, 2011, 03:41am, jamesw wrote:
Well I have been into this for a couple of years now and have done my fair bit of research on species.

The Greys tend to be the more commonly known species, greyish colour/greenish grey colour and other variety of colours, be from 4 ft to 6ft tall. Slanted black eyes, slits for nose and mouth, bigger head than body, more intelligent than humans, a slave race and it has been official that there is a minimum of 12 species of Greys. One of the rarest Grey is known as the Mantis Grey and looks bit of a mantis but more like an elder.

There is also the Reptillian Race which are more of a royalty species and the more hostile species. They are said to be the leaders of the Greys and it is said that some of them are already on earth. One of the species of these are called Dracos and the Lizardman of Orc Swamp is rumoured that it could be a species of these Reptillian aliens.

There are so many more including the Nordic which are more human like and a goblin like alien race which attacked a family and farmhouse in Kentucky.


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A couple of years..? I have been exploring this bizarre phenom since 1970. And I'm still learning interesting things.

But just look at the odds here. You mentioned multiple alien species above. How likely is it that one space faring species found their way here let alone 3 or 4 or 57 like some ufo believers want to think..? Is that plausible ? And why would advanced beings want to harass some rural family in Kentucky....or do any of the other bizarre junk that has been reported that is seemingly outside the character of an intelligent advanced being?
And then the ETH crowd will play their 'alien card' and say, "well, they are aliens after all...."
Really? That answers these bizarre high strangeness events that at times seem more like the occult and paranormal ....?

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« Reply #740 on: Apr 25th, 2011, 1:20pm »

I'm young, I'm 20 years and sure will get to learn plenty more but just briefly letting you know what I have read and heard.
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« Reply #741 on: Apr 25th, 2011, 2:04pm »

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« Reply #742 on: Apr 26th, 2011, 2:04pm »

LoL! Nice pic.

on Apr 25th, 2011, 1:20pm, jamesw wrote:
I'm young, I'm 20 years and sure will get to learn plenty more but just briefly letting you know what I have read and heard.

Hello and welcome, James. Then you will also have to learn to not believe anything you may find online but rather question the validity of certainy types of info and their source. Because unfortunately there's just too much dis- and misinfo out there.
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« Reply #744 on: Apr 26th, 2011, 6:13pm »

on Apr 17th, 2011, 1:34pm, dave54 wrote:
You are incorrect. There is not an infinite number of planets. If there were, the universe would have infinite mass and there would be infinite gravity. Neither is true as it is an impossibility. I am speaking of the mathematical definition of infinity, not the poetic.

Do not make the false assumption all planets have developed sentient life. In our own solar system only one planet has. There may be non-sentient life elsewhere in our system system, but that is still only speculation. We can say with near certainty there is no other sentient life in our solar system than ourselves.

Evolutionary biologists universally agree humans are the most incredible accident. By all odds we should have never evolved on this planet. It required an unlikely alignment of a number of improbable events in the proper sequence. If any of the thousands of factors that shaped our evolution varied even a small amount, in all likelihood we would have not become our humanoid shape or possibly never develop sentience. Given the incredibly large number of planets (a finite number, not infinite) a poisson probability distribution suggests there are many other planets that evolved sentient life, and an even larger number with non-sentient life. But not an infinite number. Of the sentient life, a much smaller subset would be a generally similar humanoid shape and capable of living in our oxygen atmosphere without a life support system.

Lets suppose a percentage of planets will develop life. Not 100%, but a sizable fraction. Only a percentage of those will over time develop sentience. A still smaller fraction will develop sentience on a planet with liquid water and an oxygen atmosphere with gravity similar to earth and evolve to a humanoid shape, and smaller percentage than that will have developed technology capable of interstellar travel, and then to have found us and come to visit. No one yet has crunched all the numbers to estimate the final product, mostly because the numeric value of the various factors are debatable. But it is safe to assume the final product is much smaller than most people believe. It is not zero, but not in the billions either.


BTW -- I already noted most of the extra-solar planets discovered are gas giants, but not all. IIRC a few are believed to be rocky, but none within the Goldilocks zone of their host star. There most likely are many, but we have not found any yet.


Like i said, Creation is forever creating more and more bodies and we have yet to discover those systems, that ETs have already seen. So in our eyes, 'infinite' is actually possible. Creations never stops growing. can we count ALL the material universal bodies? No. therefore, infinite. Mass is a part of creation that is continuously growing and recreating and gravity is created and grows with it, in order to form universal bodies.

I dont assume that all planets have sentient life, as many new planets are either too young in evolution or have no life at all. And true, earth is the only planet in the solar system that has life.

Why would we be an accidental evolution on Earth? Its Creation's plan that life evolves itself in its own time and intelligent life (us) starts to evolve.

The final product?
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« Reply #745 on: Apr 26th, 2011, 6:37pm »

on Apr 18th, 2011, 7:58pm, icepick wrote:
It is my guess that there is a definite reason for ET looking so much like the humanoids on this planet. To start with, might it not have something to do with the particular ETs coming to this planet? And probably something to do with the way we got to this rock as well?

There has to be at least one solid reason as to why we fail to snap neatly into this ecosystem we live in doesn't there? We come so close to miss it by so far ........... doesn't that strike you as being a little on the odd side?


Correct! reason why we look very alike to certain ETs, is because we share the same ancestory and therefore similar DNA. Only major difference is that our intelligence level is much much lower compared to theirs.

When reading the true chronology of the planet, we quickly learn that the planet has been visited as far back as 200 million years by the Lyrians - the pleadians ancestors and our ancient ancestors.

We fail to snap into the ecosystem because we violate nature, fail to respect its workings and refuse to correct our irresponsible ways.
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« Reply #746 on: Apr 26th, 2011, 6:41pm »

on Apr 19th, 2011, 4:01pm, drwu23 wrote:
Actually no;...I have no major problem with evolution as it is currently proposed (there are weak areas but I think in time we will figure them out), nor do I see a compelling reason to think 'aliens' had anything to do with our develpoment via some form of genetic enhancement which might explain why we look like them.
It is not unlikely that 'humanoid bipeds' might evolve on other worlds but it is very unlikely they would look very much like us down to blond hair and blue eyes like the alleged Nordics. This is fantasy imo or there is some other more bizarre reason for this.
IMO some people need or want to believe such things because it fits their personal paradigm.
Where are all the space alens that look like Predator or any other ugly alien? Why do they all have 2 eyes, 2 arms, 2 legs, etc ...? Only the reported 'greys' look significantly different from us and they look like us in embryonic/fetal form. What's up here..?

There simply isn't any actual evidence to support any of these claims. So shouldn't we be true skeptics on this and other similar issues rather than jump down the rabbit hole ?


I doubt we would want to see aliens that are like the predator right now. we would freak out and have a panic attack or something. then the guns would come out and fire away!

If/when we one day came across a race that looked like that, we wouldnt last long, as that race would evidently be more superior and we would be enslaved/killed off.
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« Reply #747 on: Apr 26th, 2011, 7:42pm »

on Apr 26th, 2011, 6:37pm, cbachinger wrote:
Correct! reason why we look very alike to certain ETs, is because we share the same ancestory and therefore similar DNA. Only major difference is that our intelligence level is much much lower compared to theirs.

When reading the true chronology of the planet, we quickly learn that the planet has been visited as far back as 200 million years by the Lyrians - the pleadians ancestors and our ancient ancestors.

We fail to snap into the ecosystem because we violate nature, fail to respect its workings and refuse to correct our irresponsible ways.



Well, just a couple of corrections here in my opinion.

First, instead of intelligence level you should have said knowledge level. But maybe that's what you meant anyway? Maybe this one is just splitting hairs.

But irresponsible ways doesn't entirely cover why we damage our environment so much. At least not in my opinion. I see it as a side effect of our not being a part of this environment. We're a plant, plain and simple. Or at least partially a plant. Anyway, that part of us that doesn't come from here has nothing to contribute to this environment. In fact we need to modify it simply to survive. Only in a very narrow band around the equator, one that doesn't go entirely around the planet on top of that, can we survive without donning protective clothing to avoid hypothermia, or can we sleep without a need for shelter ....... the list goes on and on. Anywhere else on this rock we need to have a cave at the very least, and a heat source (fire) to keep the environment at an acceptable temperature, along with a host of other things or we will die.

But yet we are extremely intelligent. Look at how far we've spread ourselves across the planet. The only place where we've never had any type of permanent camp is the bottoms of the ocean trenches. And we will get there too, I'm certain of this.

But what is my main clue that we come from elsewhere? Stop and think about it. Where is it that we yearn to travel to? The stars! Something out there is calling us, and calling to us hard. Considering the fact that the only regions of space that we know of are extremely inhospitable, what might make us want to go there so badly? Maybe something inside of us remembers? Maybe so.

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« Reply #748 on: Apr 26th, 2011, 7:51pm »

on Apr 19th, 2011, 4:01pm, drwu23 wrote:
Actually no;...I have no major problem with evolution as it is currently proposed (there are weak areas but I think in time we will figure them out), nor do I see a compelling reason to think 'aliens' had anything to do with our develpoment via some form of genetic enhancement which might explain why we look like them.
It is not unlikely that 'humanoid bipeds' might evolve on other worlds but it is very unlikely they would look very much like us down to blond hair and blue eyes like the alleged Nordics. This is fantasy imo or there is some other more bizarre reason for this.
IMO some people need or want to believe such things because it fits their personal paradigm.
Where are all the space alens that look like Predator or any other ugly alien? Why do they all have 2 eyes, 2 arms, 2 legs, etc ...? Only the reported 'greys' look significantly different from us and they look like us in embryonic/fetal form. What's up here..?

There simply isn't any actual evidence to support any of these claims. So shouldn't we be true skeptics on this and other similar issues rather than jump down the rabbit hole ?


I believe the proper scientific statement is that we haven't enough evidence to support, or refute, either side of this argument. So the rabbit hole really isn't there.

We should always be a little skeptical. But the evolutionary model completely fails where humans are concerned, and I do believe there has to be a reason for that. If it didn't fail, then we would be roughly an equivalent of the Chimpanzee. But that's obviously not the case, so something else must be up, but what?

One thing you are looking at backwards though? It wouldn't be that they look like us, rather that we look like them. Because if we are planted, then who would have planted us and what would we look like?

Let me leave with a question here. Well, a point, then a question. Every species that is a part of an environment, contributes something of importance to that environment. This is just a basic law of nature. Unspoken, but basic.

What do we contribute to this environment of importance? Remember, this has to be something we do on a regular basis, it can't be fertilizing the planet when we die.

I'll be awaiting your answer. I have had an inherent need to know the answer to that for a very long time.

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« Reply #749 on: Apr 26th, 2011, 8:00pm »

on Apr 17th, 2011, 1:34pm, dave54 wrote:
You are incorrect. There is not an infinite number of planets. If there were, the universe would have infinite mass and there would be infinite gravity. Neither is true as it is an impossibility. I am speaking of the mathematical definition of infinity, not the poetic.

Do not make the false assumption all planets have developed sentient life. In our own solar system only one planet has. There may be non-sentient life elsewhere in our system system, but that is still only speculation. We can say with near certainty there is no other sentient life in our solar system than ourselves.

Evolutionary biologists universally agree humans are the most incredible accident. By all odds we should have never evolved on this planet. It required an unlikely alignment of a number of improbable events in the proper sequence. If any of the thousands of factors that shaped our evolution varied even a small amount, in all likelihood we would have not become our humanoid shape or possibly never develop sentience. Given the incredibly large number of planets (a finite number, not infinite) a poisson probability distribution suggests there are many other planets that evolved sentient life, and an even larger number with non-sentient life. But not an infinite number. Of the sentient life, a much smaller subset would be a generally similar humanoid shape and capable of living in our oxygen atmosphere without a life support system.

Lets suppose a percentage of planets will develop life. Not 100%, but a sizable fraction. Only a percentage of those will over time develop sentience. A still smaller fraction will develop sentience on a planet with liquid water and an oxygen atmosphere with gravity similar to earth and evolve to a humanoid shape, and smaller percentage than that will have developed technology capable of interstellar travel, and then to have found us and come to visit. No one yet has crunched all the numbers to estimate the final product, mostly because the numeric value of the various factors are debatable. But it is safe to assume the final product is much smaller than most people believe. It is not zero, but not in the billions either.


BTW -- I already noted most of the extra-solar planets discovered are gas giants, but not all. IIRC a few are believed to be rocky, but none within the Goldilocks zone of their host star. There most likely are many, but we have not found any yet.


I know that scientists say humans are an evolutionary accident. But the truth is we are an evolutionary impossibility. Unless they can come up with some way that we were able to mutate about fifty steps up the evolutionary tree from where we are supposed to be at. They use the word accident because they're afraid somebody will think they're insinuating the "G" word. And they can't have that, can they?

A couple of those gas giants are in the Goldilocks Zone of their host star. And among the currently accepted theories is one where the moons around a gas giant would all be habitable if large enough. But that's all speculation isn't it?
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