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« Reply #765 on: Jan 11th, 2012, 9:54pm »

Insert the ET concept if you wish. But remember to address the word image correctly in any response. Why? Image has more facets than the physical one. A Sys Admin creates an image of a fixed disk for one example, and it has no likeness that compares to a computer. Or a hard drive for that matter.

But here is the crux of this issue. Its most complex, and bewildering, point. To address this issue one must address all of the subtle anomalies which can easily be interpreted as separating humans from other primates completely. This cannot be done by simply posting a link. Sorry. This is something that's been driving the scientific community crazy since the time of Darwin. That man did good work, but he proved nothing beyond the fact that creatures/life forms will adapt to fit their environment. All else is strictly theory.

But that theory would be far more solid if we humans weren't around. We are the odd man out so to speak. For every similarity we share with other primates, geneticists will come up with ten more characteristics which are entirely different. We need not have come from another planet, but it can seem that way at times. This is why I'm prompting Wu to share the thoughts that caused him to develop his convictions about life forms. As far as true sentient life on this rock is concerned, we have no precedent, no scientific Rosetta Stone to translate for us. Once you arrive at the top of the food chain, it's all conjecture and speculation.

So if you have convictions on this, definitely post them. But please don't try to do so with a link. It matters not whether you have thought this through as thoroughly as some, only that you have arrived at some conclusion, as well as how. Despite what science states, the unraveling of the human mystery is still a work in progress. Since we are the only true sentient life form on this planet, and we differ in so many ways from all others, can we use our example in application to sentient life elsewhere? Would there always be such differences from other life forms in the same environment? Or is this a fluke? If so, what might be the reasons? Does Panspermia play a role? Bipedal seems to be the optimum shape here. Would the same apply on another planet of similar mass and environment?

All of the above have gone through my mind regarding this issue at one time or another. Without extraterrestrial contact the answer will remain a mystery I'm afraid. But that doesn't prevent intelligent speculation ...........
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« Reply #766 on: Jan 12th, 2012, 10:54pm »

on Jan 11th, 2012, 4:51pm, icepick wrote:
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You made a good point Wu. And I'm fully aware that you are far more than intelligent enough to realize the complexity inside the box you just pried the lid off of. I think I might have you this time. You left yourself little choice but to share some of the ideas which made this conclusion so important to you?

Fire away. All thoughts are valid on this one. It has bothered me for a very long time as well. Two basic life forms are recognized, carbon and silicone. Has your thoughts led you on as many tangents regarding this subject as mine has? Have we even discovered all possible forms of life here? My answer to the latter is no BTW.


Not sure what you are alluding to but I do not believe in Creation in the sense that some invisible being set things in motion as you seem to do. Or are you not a theist? I'm agnostic and see the Universe itself as being sentient and creative in it's own inherent way.

I think the reason people see only humanoid aliens is psychological in the sense that they aren't really seeing humanoid aliens at all but 'something else'.
Perhaps this 'something' can make us see whatever silly image we have in our subconscious using human archetypes of what aliens should look like. Or maybe we are interacting in conjunction with underlying layers of reality to co create these 'thing's and 'events'. But I honestly seriously doubt people are interacting with multiple humanoid aliens who all happen to look very much like us. IMHO it's ridiculous.
Science fiction writers come up with many kinds of imaginative life forms and I think the Universe would to.

The fact that all aliens who have allegedly come here look a lot like us either means they are not all really aliens (and perhaps none..) or that the Universe itself inherently as part of it's very nature tends to evolve humanoids from some principle we as yet don't understand, or there is a 'God' and he/she/it wants all beings to be humanoid. My gut tells me that what people are experiecning as ufo aliens -at least most of it-are not really ufo aliens at all. I have no idea what they could actually be and imho no one else does either and it is all speculation and conjecture.
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« Reply #767 on: Jan 13th, 2012, 6:08pm »

What I'm looking for is pretty simple really. But I wasn't probing for your belief system. That is individually specific, precisely as it should be. But since you brought it up, maybe I should point out that mine would probably surprise you. Yes, I believe in God, but my concepts are an unconventional deviation from the norm.

While I have spotted many indications of design in the universe, I see one intended to support life period. Even in the icy confines of space. Hence my comment about misinterpretation regarding the "in our image" line.

But if one uses life on this planet as a guide, there does seem to be some sort of limitation for natural intelligence at the current age of our solar system. The birds are part of one of the longest lines here, and while they are intelligent, they in no way match us. But they are far more intelligent than most realize. In one experiment, crows were put in a cage where food was in a narrow slot they couldn't reach into, and strips of thin wire were left on the floor. The crows bent the wires into hooks with their beaks, and fished the food from the slot. Creating and using tools. That's amazing.

Still, there is something unique about us on our very short tree if we're kin to other primates. And I'm dubious on this. If we are, then we represent some sort of fluke/accident. A quantum leap in evolution in a single step. By every known rule of science, that's impossible. There's something, actually many things I suspect, in our past of extreme importance which we are not aware of.

So much for us. Life could exist in the atmosphere of gas giants, despite the intense gravity. On a water world it would be obvious. Bipedal probably is optimal for sentient beings at our gravity, but don't attach image to shape, as that's probably in error.
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« Reply #768 on: Jan 16th, 2012, 12:22pm »

on Jan 11th, 2012, 9:54pm, icepick wrote:
But here is the crux of this issue. Its most complex, and bewildering, point. To address this issue one must address all of the subtle anomalies which can easily be interpreted as separating humans from other primates completely. This cannot be done by simply posting a link. Sorry. This is something that's been driving the scientific community crazy since the time of Darwin. That man did good work, but he proved nothing beyond the fact that creatures/life forms will adapt to fit their environment. All else is strictly theory.


Kudos Ice. At least you have not bought into the entire Darwin fairy tale lock, stock and barrel. Thankfully you have thought for yourself about this.

But then there is the other part.....

It is a popular scienitistic belief that man is the pinnacle of some steadily upward arcing bell curve representing the "ultimate" development of life as we know it. And the place where this unsupported belief goes terribly awry is the "as we know it" part.

Just as Darwin's belief in the ultimate ascendancy of man supports the upwardly mobile bell-curve concept, the arrogant position this engenders is that man is something exceptional and "beyond" all other life that we "know". In other words, Darwinist/scientistic thought has taken on the baggage of medieval establishment religion in regarding all other earthly life-forms as inherently "inferior" to humans. This merely puts a scientistic face on the old religious saw that man is exceptional or "specially chosen" or exalted by God.

Along with this essentially religious belief comes its inverse aspect: that all other earthly life forms are inferior to humans and lack "sentience". (See your commentary below)....


on Jan 11th, 2012, 9:54pm, icepick wrote:
But that theory would be far more solid if we humans weren't around. We are the odd man out so to speak. For every similarity we share with other primates, geneticists will come up with ten more characteristics which are entirely different. We need not have come from another planet, but it can seem that way at times. This is why I'm prompting Wu to share the thoughts that caused him to develop his convictions about life forms. As far as true sentient life on this rock is concerned, we have no precedent, no scientific Rosetta Stone to translate for us. Once you arrive at the top of the food chain, it's all conjecture and speculation.

So if you have convictions on this, definitely post them. But please don't try to do so with a link. It matters not whether you have thought this through as thoroughly as some, only that you have arrived at some conclusion, as well as how. Despite what science states, the unraveling of the human mystery is still a work in progress. Since we are the only true sentient life form on this planet, and we differ in so many ways from all others, can we use our example in application to sentient life elsewhere? Would there always be such differences from other life forms in the same environment? Or is this a fluke? If so, what might be the reasons? Does Panspermia play a role? Bipedal seems to be the optimum shape here. Would the same apply on another planet of similar mass and environment?

All of the above have gone through my mind regarding this issue at one time or another. Without extraterrestrial contact the answer will remain a mystery I'm afraid. But that doesn't prevent intelligent speculation ...........


The idea that we are the "only true sentient life-from on this planet" may be a popular scientistic superstition, but that does not make it true. Quantum physics tell us that our universe is, at its most fundamental basis, a vast information field. Everything in our reality relies on this information field for the essential framework of its physical form. The generative form for everything from a grain of sand to the massive body of a whale making its way through the ocean is dependent on the imprints of its basic form on the matrix of the vast quantum morpho-genetic field.

Nothing exists without its ghostly plan-form imprinted on the vast electro-magnetic waves of the quantum field. If you want "real", the field and its wave-forms are real. The "solid" reality we call "reality" is only a projection from those essential patterns expressed from the quantum field. That is not "real" as we define it, but actually a kind of secondary abstraction.

So, at its most essential, "reality" is the information that is expressed through the field through the activating force of consciousness. This is my personal belief, but I think that ANY consciousness has the power to activate the field and bring "reality" into the realm of its "being". Shouldn't relative reality work the same for a microbe as for a human or a "nordic" alien? In other words, does the consciousness of the microbe activate its own experiential world in the same way that we humans activate ours?

I cannot conceive of any reason why this should not be true. And if it is, then it follows that the consciousness of the microbe is every bit as essential as the consciousness of we humans: those who we rather vaingloriously credit with being the "only sentient beings on the planet".

Furthermore, it has been proven, repeatedly, that plants respond to human consciousness. This suggests that plants have their own form of consciousness that responds to threats and/or favorable conditions in their environment. In other words, they have "sentience". This may be a hard pill to swallow for those steeped in Darwinist fantasies about being scientism's "chosen beings".

My personal theory is that humanity's great attachment to these kind of self aggrandizing fantasies stems from an essential inferiority complex deeply rooted in human cultural beliefs. This is reflected in the Christian belief that man is born inherently "sinful" and that there must be some "work" involved in lifting man from his essential state of "disgrace". I think that if we let go of our "need" for these fantasies of human exceptionalism, we may find that the universe and all of its vast myriad of creatures are not only sentient, but not as different from us as those popular scientistic religious superstitions tend to make it.

I go even further than that and believe that "inanimate" objects have a certain sentience of their own. Since they exist in the same quantum fields as other living beings, such as plants and animals, then they are also interpenetrated with the same "information" that in-forms living forms. In other words, they also have "experiences" that can imprint themselves on the information wave-forms from which they are expressed in our reality. In other words, you can learn about the past of any object through contact with its information field. This is the basis of "psychometry", the taking of "readings" from inanimate objects. I have some personal experience with this.

I think our traditional culturally motivated ways of looking at these things are too limited. If we open our minds a bit more, I think we will find the universe a much more interesting place than we have ever been taught to believe. Well, at least in our particular culture - a culture which I do not really believe exists at the very top of some fantasized ever upwardly arcing bell-curve.

But maybe that is just me....... rolleyes
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« Reply #769 on: Jan 16th, 2012, 1:39pm »

on Jan 13th, 2012, 6:08pm, icepick wrote:
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While I have spotted many indications of design in the universe, I see one intended to support life period. Even in the icy confines of space. Hence my comment about misinterpretation regarding the "in our image" line. ....

But if one uses life on this planet as a guide, there does Still, there is something unique about us on our very short tree if we're kin to other primates. And I'm dubious on this. If we are, then we represent some sort of fluke/accident. A quantum leap in evolution in a single step. By every known rule of science, that's impossible. There's something, actually many things I suspect, in our past of extreme importance which we are not aware of.

So much for us. Life could exist in the atmosphere of gas giants, despite the intense gravity. On a water world it would be obvious. Bipedal probably is optimal for sentient beings at our gravity, but don't attach image to shape, as that's probably in error.


Could you mention this 'design' feature in the Universe that you believe was intended to support life?

Regarding human evolution, is it not possible we simply haven't figured out all the ways evolution works to explain why we are as we are? Maybe in time a scientific principle will be discovered?

As to life in the universe , I agree it could be in just about any form depending on what direction evolution took on any given world...and I would ask where are these beings then ? Why have only bipedal -2 eyes, 2 arms, 2 legs, etc -humanoid looking aliens come to earth? Not one unusual 'bipedal' type has managed space travel?
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« Reply #770 on: Jan 16th, 2012, 3:16pm »

Part of the problem is too many think that man's combined intelligence somehow applies to each and every person when it does not.
Man 1.0, the basic human is not much smarter than any other primate. Look at those among us who cannot access the worlds information. They remain today amid the world's technology, as stone age primitives.
Man's success is not because the person has knowledge, wisdom, or intelligence, but rather because the species has a written language that alows knowledge to be retained and passed on. We teach each other to use tools not build them. A method that trains pilots who could never build or repair their aircrafts for example.
The Crow example is of problem solving. True human-like intelligence would by now have every Crow in the world with a bit of wire at hand just in case.
And Bony, just as we can rely on Creationists to fall back on God and the Evolutionists on Darwin we can always count on you to fall back on Quantum Theory to explain everything. All three are good explainations to some but are, after all, just unproven theories taken on Faith.
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« Reply #771 on: Jan 16th, 2012, 10:16pm »

Skizicks, some things have to be taken in faith. Even in science. At our current level of development, we have no other choice. Things must go on.

Wu, you do remember that mass-matter ratio in the universe, don't you? It can't deviate one way or the other, else we would not be here. That's the ultimate in long shots. Way better than hitting the Trifecta at the Kentucky Derby. This includes the one known blank hole in the universe as well. The Bootes Void:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bo%C3%B6tes_void

250 million light years of practically nothing.

Bonehead, I believe I can address your post with the other two here. Congratulations on catching my in our image comment, but I'm unsure as to whether or not you understood me correctly.

Maybe I wasn't clear as to what I meant about truly sentient. Yes, other species are capable of learning, and all are aware. But humans are the only species which take this to an entirely new level. Not only do we thrive on solving problems, we also take great delight in creating puzzles/problems for ourselves which other creatures would see as pointless. They exist on the bottom rung of the hierarchy of needs nearly all the time. The survival driven one. Some species can climb to the level of compassion/love, but go no higher. At least none that are known.

We could debate for years as to whether we came by our abilities naturally or not. Even many scientists believe this answer to be no. Our DNA strand is too short, our chromosome count is too small, and then you start running into our peculiarities. For example, we are omnivorous. So are other primates. But they are primarily herbivorous. Not only are we primarily carnivorous, indications are that we were once entirely carnivorous. It isn't enough to completely shake us from the primate tree, but it is enough to force us into guest status so to speak. There are far too many other peculiarities to address here. Whether one wishes to admit it or not, we are unique here. The reason why, is where the open debate comes from. No information of a conclusive nature exists at the current time.

That said, we're slightly off topic here. Wu caught what I said about life being able to exist here, and I think you caught on to that as well Bonehead, so I'm assuming you both understand that reasoning.

I don't believe in the universe anymore, so much as I buy into the multiverse theory. It makes great sense. So does the concept that at least where our local part of it is concerned, it is meant to support life. Period. On the surface of any planet, in the icy void of space, perhaps even within the firey furnace of a star. Who knows what adaptation life might take in a given environment.

As far as our being the apex of everything is concerned, we are most definitely not. Bonehead, you are incorrect about current religions teaching this, because that is the exact opposite of what is written. As is the statement about our being inherently evil, or sinful. That's not quite in context. What is said is that we're too curious, and can easily go astray if we have no guidance. There is far too much proof for that to argue with.

Wu, you addressed this point of the thread better than any of us when you asked why only bipedal creatures are allegedly visiting here. Maybe I can offer some speculative insight on this. Who is to say that many different types of life aren't visiting here? Perhaps many life forms come here, but we're only capable of recognizing life forms similar to ours?

Bonehead, I think we're both saying the same thing here, but it isn't clear. I think this because you seem to have caught what I meant about the image statement.

And Skizicks, I believe you're missing something about people who have problems accessing information. Speak to a DVD/retarded individual sometime and watch their eyes. They nearly always know what they want to say, but something is misfiring. You can often see the frustration they feel because they can't express themselves as they would like to.

As far as our unique nature is concerned, this only applies to the realm of what we know and understand. Whether we were created/engineered, or came to be naturally is something we cannot determine now. We can safely say that we did not evolve in the Darwinist fashion though, but it is impossible to pin this down at this time. As I stated when I started this, some things must be taken in faith.

But there are two types of faith, are there not? There is 'faith in ............', and 'faith that ....... '. If you stop to think about it, those mean two entirely different things.

As far as what intelligent life looks like? It doesn't have to look like anything at all, does it? What if there are life forms you can't see at all?

I'm miles from my primary point, but am going to reign this in here. I believe that we all know where I'm headed, but we lack the necessary space to cover the subject. We live in a realm of mystery, but it is one realm out of how many? To be honest, there is probably no need to debate. We are probably all correct in our thoughts ............ somewhere. How many realities might exist?
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« Reply #772 on: Jan 16th, 2012, 10:51pm »

on Jan 16th, 2012, 10:16pm, icepick wrote:
Wu, you do remember that mass-matter ratio in the universe, don't you? It can't deviate one way or the other, else we would not be here. That's the ultimate in long shots. Way better than hitting the Trifecta at the Kentucky Derby. This includes the one known blank hole in the universe as well. The Bootes Void:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bo%C3%B6tes_void

250 million light years of practically nothing.



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Wu, you addressed this point of the thread better than any of us when you asked why only bipedal creatures are allegedly visiting here. Maybe I can offer some speculative insight on this. Who is to say that many different types of life aren't visiting here? Perhaps many life forms come here, but we're only capable of recognizing life forms similar to ours?


As far as what intelligent life looks like? It doesn't have to look like anything at all, does it? What if there are life forms you can't see at all?

We live in a realm of mystery, but it is one realm out of how many? To be honest, there is probably no need to debate. We are probably all correct in our thoughts ............ somewhere. How many realities might exist?


Many mention that matter mass ratio thing as well as other mathematical constants that seem to be needed for life but if it wasn't this way we wouldn't be here to notice it. So perhaps it's just the way things developed in this reality and the others are far different. Doesn't mean it was designed.
Not sure what the Bootes void has to do with this.

The EDH does address life forms from other dimensions or alternate realities which is why some like Dr Vallee prefer it over the ETH.

Can't recall who said this but your comment about mystery reminds me of a quote that goes:
'Life is not a problem to be solved but a mystery to be experienced'.
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« Reply #773 on: Jan 16th, 2012, 11:23pm »

No, it doesn't have to mean it was designed, but there is an odds issue here. But we are also talking from a very meager knowledge level.

I really like that quote about life and mysteries. I believe I've heard it before, but that doesn't take away from its insightful nature. It's the kind of thing we need reminded of at times.

The Bootes Void only applies because it demonstrates how a phenomenon persists despite irregularity. I believe the actual ratio is 1 times 10 followed by twenty zeroes, to the twentieth power, to one. Not certain why it's important to multiply it by one though. Any ideas?

Yes, there are many more of these 'design anomalies'. Like you said, if they weren't there, we wouldn't be discussing them.

But here's the $64 trillion (to the twentieth power) question though. Would this ratio apply to other universes in the multiverse? Or does our type of physics fly out the window there? Providing the theory is right natch. I'm not even going to address the area between universes.

I believe this would nail down our assertion life could look like anything though. But as to my thoughts about different life forms visiting, but we fail to recognize them as such? It's just a thought though .........
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« Reply #774 on: Feb 5th, 2012, 9:44pm »

So why is there life at all? What purpose does it serve?
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« Reply #775 on: Feb 5th, 2012, 9:48pm »


Referring back to the header of this thread, why can't or don't people who have been abducted been able to tell us what pictures of aliens are real or not?
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« Reply #776 on: Feb 12th, 2012, 10:55pm »

"So why is there life at all? What purpose does it serve?"

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It's been suggested that question may very well be the answer. Question being, "why" is being defined by creation itself. Creation being the eternal infinite defining of itself. The question, "who are we?" or "who am I?" is being answered by the infinite possibilities in creation.

"why can't or don't people who have been abducted been able to tell us what pictures of aliens are real or not?"

I've read polls with those who have contact with aliens or ET's say overwhelmingly the majority of contact are abductions. Perhaps as high as 80% to 85%.
I have had contact with two ET's species. All quite positive and engaging. Normal. At least in my world. Why are people purportedly being abducted by ET"s? What is with that? Over the years I haven't said much at all. I don't mind dealing with inquisitive minds but I will not deal with ignorant minds.

However I can state one of the ET contact are humanoid. The other very human. Actually attractive and healthy humans. All positive encounters.

Are abductions actually fear filtering through ones perception? I suspect fear has something to do with it.

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« Reply #777 on: Feb 16th, 2012, 12:45pm »

on Feb 12th, 2012, 10:55pm, tauri17tau wrote:
"So why is there life at all? What purpose does it serve?"

Backlit

It's been suggested that question may very well be the answer. Question being, "why" is being defined by creation itself. Creation being the eternal infinite defining of itself. The question, "who are we?" or "who am I?" is being answered by the infinite possibilities in creation.

"why can't or don't people who have been abducted been able to tell us what pictures of aliens are real or not?"

I've read polls with those who have contact with aliens or ET's say overwhelmingly the majority of contact are abductions. Perhaps as high as 80% to 85%.
I have had contact with two ET's species. All quite positive and engaging. Normal. At least in my world. Why are people purportedly being abducted by ET"s? What is with that? Over the years I haven't said much at all. I don't mind dealing with inquisitive minds but I will not deal with ignorant minds.

However I can state one of the ET contact are humanoid. The other very human. Actually attractive and healthy humans. All positive encounters.

Are abductions actually fear filtering through ones perception? I suspect fear has something to do with it.

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Tauri could you expand on the species you came in contact with? Their origin, purpose for visiting Etc....
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« Reply #778 on: Feb 16th, 2012, 5:05pm »

Where do you start or go with this post lol it seems to cover and question everything. How can anyone say what is real or not as no one actually knows for sure, all we have is our thoughts and belief? My own is built on my experiences that life has thrown at me. My thoughts are a simple combination of facts I have been allowed to gather. ET is nothing more than a shepherd and gardener; he has his place just as we do. God well just look in a mirror and you will see god, look at a worm and you will see god, everything is equal. Itís all the same; life is but an energy supply for the god national grid. The god national grid is what holds and drives the universe, we want to know everything and thatís a pointless quest , everything is explained fully when you shed your space suit known as the body and join the god grid as an equal. At present we are but children asking are we there yet constantly asking why. Just be patent and enjoy your short time you have as all will be explained soon enough. Thatís how I see the whole process yes simple and straight forward built on what I learned from ET and countless NDEs.
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« Reply #779 on: Feb 16th, 2012, 9:26pm »

There are two kinds of knowledge. First hand where you directly experience and second hand knowledge where you read, hear or gather knowledge from another source other than yourself.

People seem nearly desperate for second hand knowledge. As if government disclosure means anything other than giving the government a huge amount of power. I am not for "government disclosure" or huge amounts of power. Besides the government elect doesn't know anything. They're too busy with business and monkey business at hand. Those who know if you can find out who they are won't tell you anything. Both legitimate and hidden agenda reasons.

They don't kill people anymore for reporting ET's and stuff. Unless you want to start printing gold and silver certificates. For myself I'm certain JFK had a ET connection.
Yes Virginia there are conspiracies. Intelligence people know something but want to know more. But "They" won't tell them.

Not into men in black. I favor woman in black.

The sly of hand is always keeping you in the question. How many years since Roswell? 60 years and your still in the same question. By keeping you in the question you'll never get there. You'll never get to the answer. Pretty cool trick keeping everyone stuck. Have you ever seen a local tv news report of a UFO report? "Well Chet we have a report of little green men in the neighborhood", chuckle, chuckle. Wink, wink. Mind control in action. Marginalizing those who even mention UFO's. Those tv news talking heads are there to keep you comfortably asleep. Just go back to sleep, then they'll give you a feel good news report.

I've had 5o years of direct observation and connections. Awe inspiring at times. Can't explain it all. Long story. Yep, I believe that garden experiment. Except it's more down to Earth, so to speak. Think they come down here once in a while, show us how to grow corn and stuff. BTW, no one is here to save the world. Being nicer to each other would be a really huge step.

Humans and humanoid. Pretty cool too. Sorry no horrible greys or demons. No buggy eyes. Humanoid had large eyes but not ugly oval and had pointy ears. Maybe Travis Walden was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. I'm sure those meanies are out there too. Just never encountered any. Met some mean people though! Humanoid ones travel in family units. Curious about humanity, our technology and us. Like they were on a social studies tour. They were fascinated with our human civilization. Cute and kind of sweet. The human ones, signal me, contact me. They seem to be concerned about my spiritual well being and humanities well being. I suspect they get involved with humanity. Sometimes the more answers bring more questions. BTW, countless species out there. Though some were always here. Did you "just" notice them? That's funny they were always there. Hmm, wonder what's going to appear next that was always there?

Appears to be all interdimensional. Ships that appear to be part organic. Not sure. Love to have my very own ship. Wouldn't you?

Interdimensional except for that one that seemed electrical and following magnetic lines. Long time ago. Never saw anything like that anywhere since. Very curious.

It is said there appears to be no difference between one who has fallen down from one who has fallen up.

Speaking of DNA, the only thing between your outside environment to your DNA is your perception. There are those who have made it a science controlling peoples DNA and evolution by manipulating their perception. By putting a huge amount of garbage into peoples brains. Then people project that into their outer environment. Then they don't know what the hell is out there. Don't put crap in your brain, like stupid beliefs. Spookiest thing I've ever seen are people with garbage brains.

How come UFO's and things are more "normal" in Mexico than the US? Is it because Mexico doesn't have as many tv talking heads with agendas? Perhaps it's because Mexico puts their garbage into landfills?

Take the para out of paranormal

Stay balanced. Somebody has to do the dishes and stuff too here ya know.

tauri






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