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Some questions about aliens.
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There are many theories on why aliens are here and on how many alien species visit or have visited the Earth. You can bring it back to about four purposes of visit: To take over our planet, to help us in every possible way, to investigate our planet because of curiosity and to utilize some of Earth's natural sources. Why don't we know? All of these four options are believed by people who claim to know the truth. Why is there such a lack of unity in the opinions on the aliens' purposes? And where do these people base these claims on? They all must have something.
Another thing I find odd is the fact many people believe there're numerous alien species visiting our planet. Crossing such distances demands travelling beyond the speed of light, which is officially impossible, and is it really logical the universe is crowded with hyperintelligent beings who are able to build the most advaced spacecrafts imaginable and to find us? This chance is extremely small. So does anyone know about this? And how many species are here then?
And why is there such a lack of unity amongst believers about the physical appearance of Grays? They all describe some features the same, though there are many differences. Some solved this problem by telling themselves there are several Gray species with several sorts of intentions for our planet. But this is way too unbelievable and illogical.
So what do you think is the reason for their presence here on Earth? And how many species visit us? And how's that possible? And why is there such a giant lack of unity in views on the appearance of Grays? (you only have to look at Gray images to know what I mean).
This is bothering me for a while now.
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« Reply #1 on: Sep 8th, 2009, 06:34am » |
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Quote:| There are many theories on why aliens are here and on how many alien species visit or have visited the Earth. You can bring it back to about four purposes of visit: To take over our planet, to help us in every possible way, to investigate our planet because of curiosity and to utilize some of Earth's natural sources. Why don't we know? All of these four options are believed by people who claim to know the truth. Why is there such a lack of unity in the opinions on the aliens' purposes? And where do these people base these claims on? They all must have something. |
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People like to theorise when they lack hard facts. The truth is, we can’t possibly know anything about what the ‘aliens’ are, where they’re from, or what their intentions are. Not without hearing it from ‘them’ firsthand anyway. Of course, some people claim to have done just this, and there are a lot of accounts of people meeting aliens from all over the galaxy littered throughout ufo literature. A lot of these reports are contradictory. Whether you choose to believe any of these people is up to you. But even if some of these accounts are true, there’s no reason to then assume that the beings they encountered were telling the truth anyway.
We need to be careful not to make any assumptions regarding our ‘visitors’. We like to humanise them, give them human intentions and consider their actions based upon our own. This is a mistake. If we truly are dealing with an ET intelligence then we may never be able to comprehend their actions.
Quote:| Another thing I find odd is the fact many people believe there're numerous alien species visiting our planet. Crossing such distances demands travelling beyond the speed of light, which is officially impossible, and is it really logical the universe is crowded with hyperintelligent beings who are able to build the most advaced spacecrafts imaginable and to find us? This chance is extremely small. So does anyone know about this? And how many species are here then? |
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Even if the speed of light is barrier that can’t be broken (and I think we’ll find a way around that eventually) then even we, with the drive and will (and maybe proper motivation – like our Sun going boom) could probably colonise the entire galaxy in say…oh, two million years or so? It would be quite the feat, but not impossible for us, even with our little life-spans and rocket ships.
For all we know, other civilisations have risen and done just this, after all, they may have evolved millions of years before we were even a swampy puddle of goo – so they’ve had time to spread out a bit.
There’s something called the Drake Equation, which is used to calculate the approximate number of intelligent civilisations in our galaxy. But this makes a lot of assumptions, so I wouldn’t put any stock in it. We should also consider the fact that physical life (as we know it) may be rare, and life may actually flourish as forms of energy that we don’t even recognise.
Quote:| And why is there such a lack of unity amongst believers about the physical appearance of Grays? They all describe some features the same, though there are many differences. Some solved this problem by telling themselves there are several Gray species with several sorts of intentions for our planet. But this is way too unbelievable and illogical. |
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Why is it illogical? Why would the greys look identical? Unless you believe they’re all clones, anyway. I mean, take ten humans randomly selected from our own planet. Given varieties in race, appearance, gender, build and dress – it might be hard to see that they’re even from the same species! Maybe the grays are just as varied in appearance as we are – maybe even more so.
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As far as I can see, from cutting through all the crap out there, ‘they’ whatever ‘they’ are, seem to be trying to tell us one thing (but we aren’t hearing it very well) – ‘Wake up! Reality isn’t what you think it is!’
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Re: Some questions about aliens.
« Reply #2 on: Sep 8th, 2009, 07:10am » |
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Thanks for the reply.
What I mean with illogical is the fact aliens differ too much regarding things like size of arms, neck, etc. With us humans these body parts are about the same size, proportionally. However, reports about Grays give very differing descriptions of the external features of aliens. When you look at drawing of Grays it's obvious there are numerous differences, like the placing, shape and location of the eyes, the shape of the skull, and the lenght of the neck and skull. Differences that are so significant humans don't have them. People look different and have different appearances, but just as animals we have about the same body proportions, Grays do not.
And many reports claim they look identically. When an abductee draws these identical beings afterwards they look identical on the drawing but compared to other drawings they look totally different, but identical. But the shape of the skull for example is very different.
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Quote: And why is there such a giant lack of unity in views on the appearance of Grays? (you only have to look at Gray images to know what I mean).
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Asperger,
I can only comment on what I've personally experienced, and I have no experience with the ubiquitous greys, nor do I wish to! The beings I have experienced and remain in contact with are here to assist humankind through a pivitol and important transition in our spiritual maturation. They tell me there are hundreds of different alient races participating in this endeavor, and also others with their own personal agenda, as well as some who are merely observing and studying, anxious to see what will transpire.
Of course you may not believe that my experiences are real... that is your perogative. I'm not so sure I'd believe them myself had they not happened to me...!!!!
But they did, and I am most grateful. I feel great love for these beings, and refer to them affectionately as "my friends on high". From what I gather and what they have communicated to me, they are not simply from another planetary system (though it's true they are not native to earth), but interdimensional as well. The craft they travel in are not exactly physical per se, although they can transduce (step down) the energy of same to appear in solid form. This is difficult and uncomfortable for them, and more often they employ a method whereby they quicken my vibrations to enable me to interact with them in their own natural realm or expression. In that state, the ordinary human would likely not see them or their craft at all, or if they DID see the latter, they would be amorphous and transluscent and appear not quite "real"... not quite "solid", for in fact, by our 3-D standards, they are not.
I hope that answers some small portion of your questions. There really is nothing that can "prove" it to you other than to personally experience communication/ contact with them. It's good that you are asking questions, though. Try to keep an open mind and realize that there are more things in heaven and earth than our limited minds can imagine...!
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Re: Some questions about aliens.
« Reply #4 on: Sep 9th, 2009, 01:25am » |
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Quote:| Another thing I find odd is the fact many people believe there're numerous alien species visiting our planet. Crossing such distances demands travelling beyond the speed of light, which is officially impossible, and is it really logical the universe is crowded with hyperintelligent beings who are able to build the most advaced spacecrafts imaginable and to find us? This chance is extremely small. So does anyone know about this? And how many species are here then? |
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I came up with my own theory on how objects/beings can travel faster than light, might explain how aliens can get here from many lightyears away:
A wormhole works by using the fourth spacial dimension. It allows objects to travel to places many lightyears away in a fraction of a second, but not by traveling at many times the speed of light, but rather traveling at any minimal speed and using the fourth dimension to travel within the third dimension. Imagine a two-dimensional plane. To make it easier to picture, imagine a piece of paper. Of course a piece of paper is of dimension three, but can be treated as a two-dimensional plane in this case. To travel from one short end to the opposite short end requires traveling 11 inches, if taking the most direct route possible through two-dimensional space. Now fold the two-dimensional plane, the piece of paper, into the third dimension and put the two short edges so that they are almost touching. Now, by traveling through the third dimension, you can get from one place in a two-dimensional plane to another plane in that same plane by only going half an inch rather than by going 11 inches. This is done by jumping through the third dimension onto another part of the second dimension. In even simpler terms, this can be applied to one-dimensional and two-dimensional space. Take a 10 inch piece of string, pull it tight, and treat it as one dimension. To travel from one end to the other requires traveling 10 inches. Now, bring it into the second dimension, so that the two ends almost touch. Now by jumping through two-dimensional space, you can get from one part of a one-dimensional plane to another part, which is 10 one-dimensional inches away, by only traveling half an inch or less through the second dimension. Just as one can travel between two one-dimensional points while covering minimal distance by using the second dimension, and can travel between two two-dimensional points by using the third dimension, the same technique can be used by traveling through the fourth dimension to reach another point in three-dimensional space. Of course this requires a fourth spacial dimension to exist; if one does, and three-dimensional space can be folded and twisted within four-dimensional space, it would provide an extremely quick means of transportation.
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Re: Some questions about aliens.
« Reply #5 on: Sep 9th, 2009, 03:10am » |
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In quantum physics, non-locality allows for communication between particles instantaneously, regardless of time or distance. Light speed is not a limitation at the quantum level.
When Einstein performed experiments in non-locality, he rejected the data. He insisted that quantum data was "fundamentally flawed". Subsequent experiments proved the data to be correct. Einstein was wrong and as result, so was his theory of special relativity which posited light speed as an absolute delimiting factor.
Also, the limitation of light speed for UFOs is based on the assumption that UFOs are material. Certainly they must appear material to interact with our senses, but this does not mean that they are material in their essential nature. This is precisely the description that Seeker proposes. One must assume that a lack of materiality would mean that they do not suffer the supposed (by us) physical limitations of matter.
I think the whole light speed assumption is bogus and only a "limit" in our feeble minds.
As Mikhal says, our tendency to "humanize" aliens and assume that they are subject to the restrictions of our limited imaginations and assumptions is erroneous. Just because we are unable to figure it out does not mean that that applies to others.
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Re: Some questions about aliens.
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on Sep 9th, 2009, 03:10am, bonehead wrote:
Also, the limitation of light speed for UFOs is based on the assumption that UFOs are material. Certainly they must appear material to interact with our senses, but this does not mean that they are material in their essential nature.
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If they only appear material to our senses, then it may follow that they cannot interact with matter and consequently can do us no physical harm. Except perhaps by mowing down grain fields in the UK.
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Re: Some questions about aliens.
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on Sep 9th, 2009, 11:54am, Nodnunk wrote:| If they only appear material to our senses, then it may follow that they cannot interact with matter and consequently can do us no physical harm. Except perhaps by mowing down grain fields in the UK. |
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They are capable of taking material form. This is done by transducing (down-stepping) their energy to a slower, grosser substance more akin to the 3-D forms we occupy. So yes, they can indeed interact with us in a physical sense, though that is not their preference and is both unpleasat and uncomfortable for them.
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Re: Some questions about aliens.
« Reply #8 on: Sep 9th, 2009, 2:53pm » |
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There are many theories on why aliens are here and on how many alien species visit or have visited the Earth. You can bring it back to about four purposes of visit: To take over our planet, to help us in every possible way, to investigate our planet because of curiosity and to utilize some of Earth's natural sources. Why don't we know? All of these four options are believed by people who claim to know the truth. Why is there such a lack of unity in the opinions on the aliens' purposes? And where do these people base these claims on? They all must have something. |
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They base these claims on personal experience, and such revealing techniques as hypnosis and meditation. This is the reason that their testimony is unreliable.
I don't think it's true that anyone can reduce the options as to 'why they're here' down to just four. Why have we excluded the zillions of other possibilities in favor of these four?
Quote: by AspergerAnother thing I find odd is the fact many people believe there're numerous alien species visiting our planet. Crossing such distances demands travelling beyond the speed of light, which is officially impossible, and is it really logical the universe is crowded with hyperintelligent beings who are able to build the most advaced spacecrafts imaginable and to find us? This chance is extremely small. So does anyone know about this? And how many species are here then?
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I don't buy into the argument that traveling faster than light is required for interstellar space travel. That conclusion ignores the possibilities that the things doing the traveling may be a) vastly patient, b) very long-lived, or c) robotic (no life span or sense of impatience). I'm sure there are still other methods for making it across such large distances without succumbing to human-like frailties (e.g. short-lifespan, impatience and lack of motivation).
Quote: by AspergerAnd why is there such a lack of unity amongst believers about the physical appearance of Grays? They all describe some features the same, though there are many differences. Some solved this problem by telling themselves there are several Gray species with several sorts of intentions for our planet. But this is way too unbelievable and illogical.
So what do you think is the reason for their presence here on Earth? And how many species visit us? And how's that possible? And why is there such a giant lack of unity in views on the appearance of Grays? (you only have to look at Gray images to know what I mean).
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I don't think we've worked-out whether or not they are here. Hmm... I miss the good old days... before so many people claimed to 'know the truth'. It was so much more believable as a mystery!
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Re: Some questions about aliens.
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on Sep 9th, 2009, 2:53pm, Tearman wrote:I don't think we've worked-out whether or not they are here. Hmm... I miss the good old days... before so many people claimed to 'know the truth'. It was so much more believable as a mystery!
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Tearman,
Absolutely my friend!
It is STILL a mystery. People who don't think that are koolaid drinkers. Certainty is a form of denial. It is a mindset which denies any other possibilities.
A quote from Einstein is appropriate: "The universe and human stupidity are infinite, but I am not so sure about the universe."
Cheers!!
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Re: Some questions about aliens.
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on Sep 9th, 2009, 12:28pm, Seeker wrote:| They are capable of taking material form. This is done by transducing (down-stepping) their energy to a slower, grosser substance more akin to the 3-D forms we occupy. So yes, they can indeed interact with us in a physical sense, though that is not their preference and is both unpleasat and uncomfortable for them. |
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Seeker, please help me integrate what you are writing with what I've been taught already: "They" are capable of transducing energy-to-matter and conversely matter to energy. Can I say that, in their intrinsic form, they are energy beings? And that, by some process, they can become material (matter). If you agree, can I immediately jump to the conclusion that they are "shape shifters"? Presumably they can transduce to any form of matter they please. They could be a rock in my garden, a lilac down the street, the local stray dog or cat, an entire planet, and I would never know the particular object's true nature.
Continuing... how can we reconcile the above with what we think we know about matter and energy? Putting this transduction process in more familiar terms, 21st century human physics allows direct conversion of matter-to-energy and energy-to-matter by the famous equation E=mc2. We are familiar with matter-to-energy direction: Nuclear fusion in the stars, radioactivity, the nuclear bomb. The energy-to-matter direction is perhaps less familiar, but can happen with atomic particle collisions where kinetic energy of motion is converted to a spray of new material particles. But because c2 is a large number (in standard units), it takes a lot of energy to create only a little matter (mass). So, these intrinsic energy beings must exist as an enormous amount of energy if they mean to transduce their energy selves into an amount of matter equivalent to (for example) the mass of a typical human. Alternately, our Earthly physics is wrong. But, so far, our physics is consistent with experiment, so we can't be too far off the mark.
The question then is, where do these highly energetic beings exist in their intrinsic state? Do they occupy hidden dimensions? Are they the "embodiment" of the enigmatic dark energy of the cosmos? Something else? Somewhere else?
Have I gone off the deep end without a float?
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on Sep 9th, 2009, 03:10am, bonehead wrote:In quantum physics, non-locality allows for communication between particles instantaneously, regardless of time or distance. Light speed is not a limitation at the quantum level.
When Einstein performed experiments in non-locality, he rejected the data. He insisted that quantum data was "fundamentally flawed". Subsequent experiments proved the data to be correct. Einstein was wrong and as result, so was his theory of special relativity which posited light speed as an absolute delimiting factor.
Also, the limitation of light speed for UFOs is based on the assumption that UFOs are material. Certainly they must appear material to interact with our senses, but this does not mean that they are material in their essential nature. This is precisely the description that Seeker proposes. One must assume that a lack of materiality would mean that they do not suffer the supposed (by us) physical limitations of matter.
I think the whole light speed assumption is bogus and only a "limit" in our feeble minds.
As Mikhal says, our tendency to "humanize" aliens and assume that they are subject to the restrictions of our limited imaginations and assumptions is erroneous. Just because we are unable to figure it out does not mean that that applies to others.
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Well put, and good thoughts. I agree with this.
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Re: Some questions about aliens.
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Hi Nodunk,
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I have told you what they told me. I can make assumptions regarding their ability to present as a rock, a lilac, a dog, cat, or entire planet... and in fact that seems entirely possible to me, based on the abilities they HAVE displayed!... but it would be just that on my part: supposition, for I do not truly KNOW the answer to your query. I've said (in my other post) what they explained to me, and I have no reason to doubt its validity, based on my own experiences with them. As for the rest, I would have to say I BELIEVE so, but I cannot say for sure.
Quote:| Continuing... how can we reconcile the above with what we think we know about matter and energy? Putting this transduction process in more familiar terms, 21st century human physics allows direct conversion of matter-to-energy and energy-to-matter by the famous equation E=mc2. We are familiar with matter-to-energy direction: Nuclear fusion in the stars, radioactivity, the nuclear bomb. The energy-to-matter direction is perhaps less familiar, but can happen with atomic particle collisions where kinetic energy of motion is converted to a spray of new material particles. But because c2 is a large number (in standard units), it takes a lot of energy to create only a little matter (mass). So, these intrinsic energy beings must exist as an enormous amount of energy if they mean to transduce their energy selves into an amount of matter equivalent to (for example) the mass of a typical human. Alternately, our Earthly physics is wrong. But, so far, our physics is consistent with experiment, so we can't be too far off the mark. |
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It is my belief that our earth physics IS wrong, and it is not true that it is consistent with experiment. Quantum physics busted most of that all to hell some time back.
Secondly, there seems to be some confusion about the word transduce. It means to step-down energy, not step-UP. In other words, slow down vibrations to solid form, not speed them up to ethereal form.
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Why indeed? Why do WE exist in the form WE do? It is my considered opinion that we exist as three-dimensional beings so that God/Creation/All-That-Is (whatever terminology you are most comfortable with) can know Itself in matter.
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Who could know?? My personal opinion is that "they" (like us... like everything that exists!) are aspects of
one enormous consciousness which we label "God" but which I prefer to Divine Oneness. I am not suggesting you accept my statement as irrefutable fact... merely sharing my thoughts with you.
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No. In my opinion you have asked some very astute and excellent questions. I wish I had all the answers for you, but alas, you... like all of us!... must continue on your mission to find them within you. I wish you the best in that endeavor! 
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Re: Some questions about aliens.
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on Sep 10th, 2009, 09:31am, Seeker wrote:As for the rest, I would have to say I BELIEVE so, but I cannot say for sure.
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Nodnunk said Quote:| our Earthly physics is wrong. But, so far, our physics is consistent with experiment, so we can't be too far off the mark. |
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The laws of Physics says the bumble bee can't fly!
The engineering and scientific breakthrough of its time was the unsinkable Titanic! glug glug
In quantum Physics there is a problem called the measurement problem, this is the fact that an atom can't be measured without being collapsed. As everything is made up of atoms wouldn't you agree physics is built on shaky foundations?
Tell a man or woman who lives by the laws of physics that you have seen a craft without wings the size of a football stadium, making no noise, hovering in the sky.. you will be called a liar.....because of the laws of physics!
The laws of Physics (as they stand ) say UFOs are impossible. The UFO phenomenon breaks nearly every law of physics that we base our reality on.
Why does physics quote Probability and Theoretically so much Surely if they had the answers it would be deftinately!
Physics tends to grasp at the reality we have in front of us, there aren't too many scientists stretching the boundarys of physics, the majority seems content quoting the allready written instead of researching and writing the unknown!
I think physics has to take a few steps back before it can move forward.
But i'm probably wrong and I was probably taken by swamp gas that knocked me unconciouse for a couple of hours. I also probably bruised scratched and marked myself took a circle of skin from the back of my arm and made my nose bleed while experiencing sleep paralasys!
but i doubt it. I was also probably patted on the shoulder by an invisible weather balloon, maybe thats what made me burst into tears as I felt the love flow through its touch....... Can weather balloons heal us?
Sorry if I sound a little sarcastic, I just feel we have a long way to go with Physics. Instead of ridiculing experiencers of extra ordinary things, maybe science could embrace and learn a little from us!
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