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« Reply #30 on: Nov 30th, 2015, 1:16pm »

Can someone reduce that wide picture to something more manageable?

Panning is so last season.

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« Reply #31 on: Nov 30th, 2015, 1:26pm »

on Nov 30th, 2015, 12:44pm, INT21 wrote:
If the aliens exist in the technical sense, then it is quite possible that they have reached an optimum level with physical technology and see no need to pursue that route any further.

Let's use our humble hammer as an example.

It evolved from being just a hand held rock to the thing we all recognise today. The material may have changed a bit recently. From wood shaft (hickory; of course) to steel and to glass fibre. many still prefer the wood handle. BUt the thing is ore or less perfect. Slight adaptions for different purposes. The soft faced hammers used so as not to damage the thing they were hitting gave way to copper faces, then nylon. Dead-blow versions to cut out bounce. But the steel headed wood shafted version is still popular. It does the job.

Maybe it is the same with ufos.

If you are flipping between dimensions etc, maybe there is only one shape that will work.

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Exactly.....it's quite likely that there is a point where any sentient race will arrive where it cannot evolve any more regarding science and tech. They have learned all they can ...there simply isn't any where else to go. This is a recurring theme in many classic sci-fi novels (and a few well thought out film and tv presentations) where a race becomes stagnant and or reaches the end of it's cycle.
This theme is touched upon in Childhoods End by Clarke where aliens come to earth to set up a plan for humans to reach the next level... ...btw this will be on the sy-fy channel soon.
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Mmm, yes, very curious, very interesting....


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« Reply #32 on: Nov 30th, 2015, 1:29pm »

on Nov 30th, 2015, 1:00pm, INT21 wrote:
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Too much technology can be a bad thing.

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You make an interesting point, but I think some people automatically assume that extraterrestrials would easily overcome any of the obstacles we face. Maybe that assumption is not true. As you elude to, technology is not simple, it gets very complicated... there are strengths and weaknesses to each of our technologies and I assume E.T. would be in the same "boat".


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« Reply #33 on: Nov 30th, 2015, 1:40pm »

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... but I think some people automatically assume that extraterrestrials would easily overcome any of the obstacles we face...

Yes, that has always amused me. Particularly as we don't now if ET even exists.

However, if they do perhaps they are governed by a one party political system. Like China; who manages to get some very impressive things done.

So, maybe the Extraterrestrials have not only got inter galactic travel to work, but have also perfected communism.

Now, there's a thought.

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« Reply #34 on: Nov 30th, 2015, 1:45pm »

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Childhoods End ..One of my early favourites.

I see that 'The Man in the High Tower (Philip K Dick ?) is also making the screen.
Read that years ago.Maybe time to blow the dust of my copy.

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« Reply #35 on: Nov 30th, 2015, 1:47pm »

on Nov 30th, 2015, 1:12pm, Marvin wrote:
to travel beyond would require us to solve for gravitational force vs. mass.

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I agree, I guess when the gravitron is found, more will be known,
and it might be dark, like you said.

Have you ever been outside the Earths magnetic field ?
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« Reply #36 on: Nov 30th, 2015, 1:49pm »

HAL,

TO WIT:

"Got to disagree. There can be many reasons a person cannot progress."

DULY NOTED ~ BUT YA GOTTA CLUE ME IN TO UR DENOTATION/CONNOTAION OF >>> "progress" <<< WITH REFERENCE TO ONES CONSCIOUSNESS...

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TO WIT:

"it's quite likely that there is a point where any sentient race will arrive where it cannot evolve any more regarding science and tech."

YOU HAVE DEFINED THE PROBLEM WITH 'FUKUSHIMA' ~ HOWEVER, WITHOUT PROOF THAT ALIEN TECHNOLOGY EXISTS ~ OR IT'S SPECIFIC ORIGIN ~ AND IF SUCH DOES EXIST OUTSIDE THE PARAMETERS OF TERRESTRIAL KNOWLEDGE ~ ONE MIGHT THINK YOUR VIEW IS TUNNEL VISION ~ WHEN YOU OPINE >>> "it cannot evolve any more" <<< grin

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I HAVE ONE CAVEAT ~ WITH THE EVER-EXPANDING DESIRE FOR 'SAFE ZONES' IN ACADEMIA ~ CERTAINLY FROM AN ANTHROPCENTIRC PERSPECTIVE ~ YOUR POINT OF >>> "it's quite likely that there is a point where any sentient race will arrive where it cannot evolve any more" ~ SEEMS TO BE GETTING TRACTION HERE ON EARTH!

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IF YA REALLY WOULD LIKE TO TOUCH ON WHAT CAUSES A CIVILIZATION TO DECLINE ~ MY THOUGHTS ARE THAT ONE WOULD BENEFIT PERUSING...

Arnold Toynbee
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"In his Study of History Toynbee describes the rise and decline of 23 civilisations. His over-arching analysis was the place of moral and religious challenge, and response to such challenge, as the reason for the robustness or decline of a civilisation. He described parallel life cycles of growth, dissolution, a "time of troubles," a universal state, and a final collapse leading to a new genesis"

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http://www.age-of-the-sage.org/philosophy/history/toynbee_study_history.html
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« Reply #37 on: Nov 30th, 2015, 1:57pm »

on Nov 30th, 2015, 1:45pm, INT21 wrote:
Dr wu,

Childhoods End ..One of my early favourites.

I see that 'The Man in the High Tower (Philip K Dick ?) is also making the screen.
Read that years ago.Maybe time to blow the dust of my copy.

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Two very good novels with some interesting concepts.....sadly many people don't read anymore and didn't even read back when they came out. The PKDick film is only on an online cable network and not on regular channels but Childhoods End will be on the syfy channel.
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« Reply #38 on: Nov 30th, 2015, 2:04pm »

Zetar,
No tunnel vision involved here at all just educated speculation based on ideas from scientists and fiction authors where the end point comes to any race in time. Of course we have no idea where the aliens (assuming they are even here) are at in their cycle. They could still be progressing or have been static for quite some time.
Again this has been written about it many ways in excellent classic novels by people like Arthur C Clarke who was an engineer and scientist btw.

btw....so-called 'tunnel vision' can exist both ways young man.
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I'm not sure how relevant anything is that Toynbee wrote about human nations when it comes to 'alien' civilizations which was part of my point to begin with.....it's pure speculation when dealing with aliens since they could be so alien , as in a hive mind, that none of our models even apply.
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« Reply #39 on: Nov 30th, 2015, 2:10pm »

DRWU,

TO WIT:

"Zetar,
No tunnel vision involved here at all just educated speculation based on ideas from scientists and fiction authors where the end point comes to any race in time. Of course we have no idea where the aliens (assuming they are even here) are at in their cycle. They could still be progressing or have been static for quite some time.
Again this has been written about it many ways in excellent classic novels by people like Arthur C Clarke who was an engineer and scientist btw.

btw....so-called 'tunnel vision' can exist both ways young man."

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.."it's quite likely that there is a point where any sentient race will arrive where it cannot evolve any more" ..

This is more of a social problem than a technical one. It goes back to the old saying that 'the barbarians will always win in the end'. As we see demonstrated daily.

There is a sci fi story (maybe Drwu can help with the title) in which the main character is a robot. He is assisted in his daily existence by a group of dogs who have been given the ability to talk by a scientist. The scientists hope being that the dogs will eventually create a better life than man did. Most, if not all, of mankind is long gone.

The robot starts getting reports from the dogs that ants are beginning to build huge constructs that are rapidly taking over the land. These are anthropomorphic ants, and can communicate with other beings, the robot being one.
The robot approaches the ants and asks why they are doing this huge expansion. And gets the reply that they don't really know, but they have to do it.

Worried by this the robot gets in touch with the spirit of the scientist and explains the situation. He explains that to stop the ants, humans placed poison where the ants would take it down into the colony, and this would wipe them out.

The robot was left with a dreadful knowledge. That the hopes for the dogs were doomed.

You see, the dogs had no chemistry.

No doubt you can see the real story behind this.

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« Reply #41 on: Nov 30th, 2015, 2:18pm »

Having just read the last couple of posts,

It comes down to

Who are the dogs, who are the ants and what is the poison ?

or do we let the barbarians win again ?

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« Reply #42 on: Nov 30th, 2015, 2:25pm »

ZETAR,

Progressive . the wish to move forward and to improve the life of oneself and ones fellow beings and the general quality of life..

As opposed to 'regressive'. the wish to return to 'the good old days' etc. Or even worst, to go back to the dark ages where only a few help power by the use of terror.

Sound familiar ?

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« Reply #43 on: Nov 30th, 2015, 2:28pm »

ZETAR,

re Fukushima.

If the ETs build similar constructs I suspect that they will build adequate protection and more than enough safety systems into the design.

Fukushima was a human error. not a technological one.

But I grant you this. It was the screw up of the century.

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« Reply #44 on: Nov 30th, 2015, 2:36pm »

HAL,

TO WIT:

"Worried by this the robot gets in touch with the spirit of the scientist and explains the situation. He explains that to stop the ants, humans placed poison where the ants would take it down into the colony, and this would wipe them out.

The robot was left with a dreadful knowledge. That the hopes for the dogs were doomed.

You see, the dogs had no chemistry.

No doubt you can see the real story behind this."

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"Fukushima was a human error. not a technological one."

I'M NOT SURE ONE MAY SEPARATE THE TWO ~ rolleyes

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