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« Reply #1680 on: Feb 29th, 2012, 1:45pm »

Exactly. Some things absolutely must be taken in faith at our current level of understanding.
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« Reply #1681 on: Feb 29th, 2012, 1:49pm »

on Feb 29th, 2012, 06:52am, MOKSHA wrote:
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I liked it, mostly the question who created the creator, and the symmetry that is found in just about everything we look at.

Absolutely no coincidence, none what so ever, I think that word "coincidence" is just a word of comfort for things we have yet to understand.


A very good point MOKSHA. Coincidence is simply a convenient choice of words at times.
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« Reply #1682 on: Feb 29th, 2012, 2:13pm »

Ice, Moksha, Irwyn, Hyundisonata, Lori et al;

What is life; and who are we is such a perplexing question to really find an answer to; and trying to do it logically is even harder. Icepick, you really hit the button with how I feel with your answer. I had a NDE back in 1990 on Christmas Day, of all days. From that point onward, I have experienced things and "seen" things, inwardly perhaps, but seen things of the future that have seemed to come to pass. Coincidence? Could be, but I don't believe it is just coincidence, but a more elaborate fabric of life. In recent years, I have participated in "past life regression" and "future life exploration" with a researcher who has been doing this for over thirty five years. On November 27th, I was taken on a future life progression, only days into the future, and the event that I spoke of under hypnosis, came to pass in a matter of five days! Is that just a lucky guess? I don't think so. It ended up being an epiphany moment for me. I will be exploring further aspects of this phenomenon in the coming months and perhaps years.

If this research; which at present can only be considered anecdotal at best; but with more data collection and future events happening the way they are described under hypnosis; to skeptics could be just lucky guesses with uncanny accuracy; or to what my researcher says, is a work in progress that will take years of data recording to come to a possible scientific explanation; but so far under anecdotal research suggests, that we are souls who incarnate many times on this earth plane, that when our body expires, we return to the area between lives and may wish to incarnate again for another physical life experience. This is highly suggestive of reincarnation. It will likely take a vast data collection of people living today to have written accounts of future events and then compare the future events with the data taken during the past research and see if the connection of dots paints an accurate picture. If this proves to be more than anecdotal; it could cause a great paradigm shift in how we view life and consciousness. It is a long work in progress among many who are charting the courses of data collection at this time in many parts of the world.

More well known authors and researchers in this area are Dr. Michael Newton and Dr. Brian Weiss.

But their are many others also doing data collection and their own field study in this area.

If I could speculate; I believe there will be forthcoming data over the next decade or two that will either show this to be very credible or the flip side, the data could show it to be unreliable. To get to either one of those viewpoints, is a long work in progress.

The more one tries to ponder what "intelligence or a soul is" seems to create paradox after paradox. Are we souls having a human life existence, or is our soul just cerebral brain synapses taking place between the skeletal walls of our head? To put it another way, when we are born, are our souls trying to learn how to use a new body, or are we a new soul trying to get used to our new home of flesh and bones?

For me, my life experience and reasoning has brought me to the standpoint that my body is thus no more than a fleshy vehicle to house a soul to have a physical life experience.

I could be wrong........ but could also be right. Time and research will likely answer that question within the next one hundred years!

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« Reply #1683 on: Feb 29th, 2012, 6:01pm »

And why might that be EBS? Do I only hit a nail on the head because so many share similar convictions? Many people have told me that I have a psychic streak. But is the reality that I only have a talent for adding facts together correctly?

Many things are, as has already been postulated, but a matter of faith. Humanity can see no further given our current level of advancement. But we are a curious lot. As such, we cannot, and will not, allow such matters to lie. We have an inherent need to know, and will follow every lead to most anywhere in an endeavor to satisfy this need. I do not know where the experimentation you speak of will lead. But I am confident we will be granted any knowledge which we have earned the right to have.

But therein lies the human predicament, does it not? Our technology and knowledge has sorely outstripped our wisdom. We must correct this deficiency, and we must do so soon, else our existence will only be left in an ever increasing state of peril. Yet there is one area where humans are not found lacking, albeit a certain level of foolhardiness comes with this virtue. We are highly courageous. To an extreme point by any standards. This quality is as questionable as it is enviable.

Many of us believe our existence was engineered. Does this explain why we are so much more advanced than we should have? I vote yes, but this is merely my opinion, and belief. But it would explain many of these mysteries you hint at, would it not?

Unfortunately, I am unable to address your question about you psychic experience via hypnotic inducement. But I can make a statement regarding the soul. Our brains are very well mapped out, but the human mind is an unknown entity. It is now accepted in many scientific circles that we possess powers which we are neither aware of, nor do we know how to use. Jesus told us of these in his faith of a mustard seed sermon. I am not that familiar with other religions, but I am willing to bet there were those who spoke of these powers in those religions as well. I do know for a fact that the Cherokee were, and are, quite adept in these matters.

Is this unknown depth of what we call the human mind in reality the soul? Perhaps there is a reason we have this mental capacity so far above our alleged nearest relatives? Some things are beyond where logic states they should be, and our level of advancement is definitely among those. In my opinion this represents a great gift we have been given. I have my own beliefs as to where this gift came from, and I am certain that people of similar viewpoints have theirs as well. What I do not know is why we were granted this gift. Given our current mentality, might this not be the greatest mystery of all?
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« Reply #1684 on: Mar 1st, 2012, 3:06pm »

As a former professional hypnotist, I can attest to the seeming reality of enhancing psychic powers through hypnotic suggestion. Not in every one and "proving the outcome' to the satisfaction of sceptics is all but impossible! I truly believe that I have personally had psychic experiences through hypnosis and enabled others to also have psychic experiences. I believe that most of us have latent psychic abilities that hypnosis can "awaken" soto speak.
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« Reply #1685 on: Mar 1st, 2012, 3:23pm »

We are not alone! Your postings isolate us as if we are the only intelligent species around. There are many other more intelligent civilizations existing who are interacting with us and teaching us and monitoring us. The Universe is a beehive of activity and we are all connected and dependent upon each other. On the scale of civilizations we are closer to the animal, physical worlds than other energy non-physical mental worlds.Our civilization is young in the Universe and we have much to learn. Let us give up our myopic thinking and expand our consciousness!

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« Reply #1686 on: Mar 2nd, 2012, 3:52pm »

If you're addressing me timetraveler, you're reading me wrong. But you are missing a point here as well that's critical. Whether we be alone or not.

A people must proceed according to their current perception. There is no other way. This represents your level of resources. Please allow me to explain using an analogy.

Let's say you're a plumber, and your current call is in a huge office building. You're surrounded by people the entire time. Hundreds or even thousands of them. The problem is a blockage in the drains, or sewer lines, and it is both huge as well as solid. Before you are finished it will be all over everything, including you, and the cleanup will be done before you are finished.

Now these people would be all around you, and many would even talk to you. But you would be fully aware that you could not count on them for help, would you not?

This is humanity's problem at the current time. We are that plumber. We still have to launch into space using our primitive chemical rockets, deal with our environmental and social issues, as well as our tendency for hostility. We aren't being looked down upon. Only learning how to crawl so that we might learn how to walk. This is the assistance we're receiving. The same assistance we give any child. It's a very important stage of development, is it not? And this is our current perception, as well as our available resources.

This will change of course. At least it is my opinion that it will. I also have a hunch about when it will change. Possibly right after we build our first off world outpost? ET might walk up and say it's cool we finally made it. But it doesn't take a genius to realize that we aren't ready just yet. Some of us are, but some of us are not too. I'm not trying to get into a debate with somebody who claims personal contact here. Only make one very obvious point about humanity as a whole.

For all intensive purposes we are alone. Or may as well be. It simply has to be this way, at this time. We're a species in training more or less. But we possess cognitive powers good enough to proceed on our own. Were these given to us at some point? I believe they were. We might have evolved to this point on our own eventually, but in my opinion it would have taken much longer. As far as our being more primitive, or closer to the animals as you put it than other advanced species goes, that is a given. I only pointed out that we are far more advanced than other creatures on this planet.

So you see? It's not an issue about being alone at all. Rather it is an issue of growing up so to speak. I never said we were all alone. And never would, because I don't believe we are. Would God create a huge universe with but one green Earth? I really have a hard time with that concept. It would be selling the big guy short, would it not? Whoever or whatever he may be.

Does that clarify it for you any? In the way I believe, we were interacted with at one time, but that seems to be forbidden now. I can point out the stories from the Torah about this, but I have a hunch you might know it.

But that's it as I see it. We are mastering the crawl at the current time, but I think we will be walking soon. Maybe it won't be that long before we can spread our wings and fly? Or will we be bounced back to the Stone Age to pick up a little more wisdom?

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« Reply #1687 on: Mar 2nd, 2012, 11:43pm »

on Mar 1st, 2012, 3:06pm, UPBOB wrote:
As a former professional hypnotist, I can attest to the seeming reality of enhancing psychic powers through hypnotic suggestion. Not in every one and "proving the outcome' to the satisfaction of sceptics is all but impossible! I truly believe that I have personally had psychic experiences through hypnosis and enabled others to also have psychic experiences. I believe that most of us have latent psychic abilities that hypnosis can "awaken" soto speak.


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Hypnosis is very fascinating. Do you believe that it has the capacity to unlock doors to various areas of the mind, where once these doors are opened, a person seems to have more experiences; which could range form finding it easier to read a book, finding it easy to quit a vice like smoking, or change behaviors by repetition among other ways. Entertainment hypnotists like Reveen could make people dance on stage like professionals, they would freeze movement of arms in mid air, etc., then by snapping a finger, they would be in or out of trance state. Medical uses of hypnosis can be effective in lowering blood pressure, or replacing anxiety with confidence building etc. Seeing results of how this art is used, why is not used more widespread and as an everyday tool?

The human SOUL is a very interesting entity. Does it reside in the physical body or is the physical body more like a radio receiver for Soul which some believe could reside far away from the physical body? What are your thoughts on this?
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« Reply #1688 on: Mar 3rd, 2012, 2:31pm »

EBS; I have been blocked from going under hypnosis. When I was in my 30s and “developing” my psychic abilities one of my friends suggested that I go under hypnosis to increase my psychic abilities. I attended a hypnotic session in Greenwich Village, which involved a woman hypnotist. She was attempting to hypnotize a group of people including myself. Just as I was
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I felt at that time that I was being protected from having my mind and my memories accessed or controlled by other people. I believe that I have knowledge and memories of other worlds and other technologies and that this information should not be revealed. Perhaps that is why some people, similar to me, cannot be hypnotized. Irwyn
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« Reply #1689 on: Mar 3rd, 2012, 3:12pm »

EBS; How should we interpret the "Adam's rib" reference in the bible? [I received this explanation in a “meditation”].
The souls in the beginning, [Adam species], were mental, androgyne and godlike, and this limited the souls learning and it was decided by the "higher intelligence" to create a new experimental race of human beings.
Therefore, the godlike mental androgyne being called Adam was divided in half and made into two physical beings and called “man” and “woman” and his “godlike” powers were removed. That is why “man” and “woman” are “incomplete” until they are “joined” together.
Regarding the "pecking order" of creation of the human race, we must go to the “beginning”. The "Creator" is not identifiable as an entity, but rather as “pure intelligence energy” itself. "It" has no sexual identity and cannot be described as male or female, or even androgyne. In order to learn about “Itself”, it “created” and its creations became "mirrors" to “Itself” .The Creator should be considered not as separate, but as the sum total of the “created” and the “uncreated”.
In the beginning of creation there existed a “void” and the darkness of “pure energy” in the center of the universe, [womb of creation].Then, there was a gigantic orgasmic explosion of energy and “bullets” of energy were propelled, and some of this energy became universes and galaxies and solar systems, and some of this energy became souls.
In our first incarnation our souls were sent to mental and energy worlds where we could “exercise” our mental and energy powers. We could “create’ and “destroy” with our minds.
This was like our “play pen” where we could express ourselves and explore our powers “safely” without harming anything or anybody. In these first “classrooms” we had no restrictions or limitations put upon us because they were non-physical mental worlds.
In our next incarnations we were sent to more complicated worlds that had some restrictions and limitations. In each subsequent series of incarnations there were more and more restrictions and limitations. The purpose of this curriculum was to teach us by experience. We were students in “schools for Angels”.
Now we are in a three-dimensional world “classroom” called Earth which is spiritual, mental and physical. This is the most “difficult” school for Angels.
We are the "fallen Angels" referred to in ancient books. However, we have descended from angelic to human in order to learn through the experience of working through limitations and restrictions.
We are souls which have been “separated” and “individualized” from the body of the Creator but our souls are in the “image” of the Creator.
When our souls were first separated from the body of the Creator and individualized we existed in energy worlds and we were “energy beings”. But we had no knowledge, because we had no experience.
Therefore, the Creator assigned the Angel Jehovah to “teach” these new souls. Jehovah enlisted the aid of the Angel Satan to assist him. At this time Jehovah realized that these new souls could not learn in their "omnipotent" state. Jehovah then “contracted” a “fourth dimensional” race called the "Saurians" and gave them the authority and power to design physical bodies as vehicles for these souls.
But why did Jehovah authorize the Saurians to create the human race and currently, to create the new hybrid human race? Jehovah, being an Angel from the “fifth dimension”, could not enter into a fourth dimensional world because of his higher frequency of energy. Therefore, he enlisted the aid of the “fourth dimensional” Saurians who were the most advanced race in the design and construction of physical and artificial intelligence “beings”.
As a result, the “energy” souls, known as “Adam” were “chased out” of the "Garden of Eden", [“energy worlds”], and the physical human race was “transported” to the planet Earth. So, as you see, our souls were created by the Creator, but our bodies were designed and created by the Saurian race.
A good example of this, are Angels. They are androgyne and can assume the role of male or female. This is the “higher” level we should aspire to. That's why we are literally the "fallen Angels" referred to in the bibles.
Now it is “graduation” time for some of us. Some of us will ascend again to angelic. Those souls who embrace the physical world and the human animal form will be reincarnated into a hybrid physical world. Those souls who reject this physical world and have raised their consciousness level will ascend to mental and energy worlds. This selection process will be similar to the adage, “like attracts like”, and it will be the individual soul’s level of consciousness that determines the direction of its future incarnations.
Do not limit the evolution of the soul to a timeframe. Do you think that the evolution and learning of the soul or of the Creator has an ending time? If you keep thinking with the limited brain of the human being, you'll never understand anything!
What was the Creator's purpose in creating, or actually individualizing our souls? Do you believe that the Creator is perfect and cannot learn anything further? Don't you understand that creation is a two-way street, and that not only creation learns, but also the Creator learns from its own creations? If you cannot comprehend this higher wisdom, then you are not "seeing" the "big picture"!
I am very fortunate at this time because I am getting "revelations" of very high teachings stimulating my mind to expand. I've stated many times that we must think "above" this mundane world and to learn to "think" like Angels.
I've just received this very profound, yet apparently simple teaching; "We come to this planet as physical human beings, with all the limitations that this infers. All of our special "powers" have been removed and we are like animals in a giant “zoo”. We are incarnated here for our souls to learn. But how do our souls learn? We learn from the "experiences" of making "mistakes". We "cannot" learn if we are "perfect".
But who “judges” us? The answer which I have recently received in “meditation” is that nobody “judges” us! Neither our “Guardian Angels” nor the Creator “judges” us! We “judge” ourselves, and by "realizing" right from wrong and good acts from bad acts, we are "teaching" our souls!
To "understand" this higher concept will "free" us from the “man-made” dogma and rituals of "guilt" and "punishment" and "absolution" which the teachings of the churches and religions have used to "enslave" and "limit" us. This civilization is coming to an "end" and we must "free" ourselves by learning to think "above" the teachings of this world. That is how we will learn to "think" like Angels and "reclaim" our angelic "identities"!
We have to become "free thinkers" and to rise above religious teachings and dogma. Religions are “man-made” and benefit the “structured” churches and religious organizations. They do not benefit, or teach, or enrich, or enlighten the people. Religions cause wars, dissension and division among the peoples of this planet. Religions instill fear and guilt and limit the concept of the Creator to be in the image of a “super” human being. I find this to be utterly stupid and infantile.
There is a primary matrix energy which exists throughout all creation and I call this energy the, “universal energy field”. This energy field is invisible and does not register on our present day monitors, but it is this energy “glue” that holds everything together and everything in its orbit from universes and galaxies, to the electrons and neutrons in subatomic matter. Irwyn
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« Reply #1690 on: Mar 3rd, 2012, 5:22pm »

EBS, Yes, I believe that hypnosis can be one tool to enable us to develop latent psyhic abilities. Now certain qualifiers to that statement: Not all people can be hypnotized. And , just because one hypnotist could not put you in a trance, does not mean that you are not hypnotizable, it may just mean that you did not "relate/trust that hypnotist. Contrary to what some believe, people who become hypnotized are not "weak minded". I have found that the more intelligent a person is, the better a subject they probably are. There has to be a certain level of trust between the hypnotist and the subject fot the trance state to be created, for a hypnotic trance is basically just a highly elevated state of suggestability. That suggestability may enable us to recognize and accept latent psychic abilities, and with practice develop those abilities.
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« Reply #1691 on: Mar 3rd, 2012, 7:26pm »

Glad to see someone is near to the truth timetraveler. This is why I tell people if they want to see and know god then just look in a mirror or at any person you see and you have the answer.
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AHH YES...WISDOM FROM A SAGE!

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« Reply #1693 on: Mar 3rd, 2012, 10:49pm »

This thread has such an interesting ongoing discussion over the years and it keeps getting more and more interesting. Sharing this knowledge with each other is very enlightening.

When under hypnosis, I was taken a long time into a future realm. What I seen and now remember, is nothing short but amazing. We will have craft that float among the empty space between planets and star systems that look like a clear glass. We will use little hand items (looked like mini irons that are used for ironing clothes) to glide through these ships; there is a semi-gravity; yet we can also float around, and all the walls are like polished glass; as are the floors. The tubular slides allow us to flow between ship and planet.. it reminds me of when someone is blowing bubbles, when you get the long tubular tunnel like effect just before the bubble breaks away from the ring that forms them; that we travel between ships and ships to planetary residences through these tunnels; there are no ships going between mothership and planet, but this clear tube where we can float or slide down to a planet like a kid that climbs up a slide and glides down to the ground again.

Is this just an imagination that was very vivid under hypnosis? From a skeptic point of view, it would be nothing more than imagination. But just imagine, if this was a real glimpse of a future time? What I seen remains very clear in my mind. I could probably write a sci-fi book on what I experienced in about one hour under hypnosis. IT fascinates me so much, yet I am humbled by the opportunity that I was given by this past life-future life exploration hypnotist. It was also revealed during this future life exploration that we were genetically still recovering and trying to repair damages to bodies that were offspring of humans who survived nuclear war. It adversely affected the ability to have children in females, and the timescale of this, was revealed to be about 1100 years in the future from now. There are also cyberg=entities, sort of like human flesh made robots that were creations by humans, the ability to replicate ourselves without the usual way of making babies. Also the age of people in this paradigm, people were several hundred years old in age, thanks to science and the ability to prolong life and slow down aging processes.

I was never much of a sci-fi reader, but the images that were privy to me under hypnosis; I could surely write a book, plus inventions that just seem to be virtually impossible today, will not only be possible in the future, but very commonplace.

My role on this mothership was moving supplies between planetary systems.

Perhaps, this was entertainment of a very vivid imagination; or just perhaps...... and I must say that I have to also adhere the possiblity that this was a real glimpse to the distant future! If so, our human soul is a very amazing part of who we really are.

What could be........a future glimpse, is beyond what even the imagination could think of prior to this hypnotic gift I was graciously allowed to be part of. I am looking forward to doing more work with this researcher to see what further things may be revealed!

I initially feared what I may see; but there is absolutely nothing to fear, it is like removing the veil between our consciousness and having glimpses to what evidently is stored in some type of conscious entity that is nothing more than an extension to or of me.

Perhaps our imagination is our true key for unlocking information that is already stored in some part of our higher consciousness.

I don't have answers, just so many questions that I would love to have answers to.

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« Reply #1694 on: Mar 4th, 2012, 01:29am »

I don't know EBS. I certainly can't offer an answer to that one. When you say the skeptic would claim it was only imagination as an answer, you would be right about the statement, but your wording is slightly off. If they were truly a skeptic, and not a debunking type, they would offer that as a possible answer, but would remain highly intrigued. Their level of interest would remain high.

I have mixed feelings about things such as this. I fully understand that the human mind possesses powers we have not a clue regarding how we might harness them. But I have always tried to maintain a skeptical and objective way of thinking, else my highly active and powerful imagination could lead me on tangents you wouldn't believe. The only way I have ever found I have a high degree of success in doing so, is by playing Devil's Advocate. By that I mean to everything. Not just controversial topics. If somebody comes up with an idea about how to do something for example, I will try to think up an alternative method. I have realized for a very long time that the vast majority of problems or questions have multiple right answers.

Was your experience simply the result of an active imagination? I really do not know that answer. But if you have ever read any of the proposals out there which have been written about topics like this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Island_Three

Then there is a high probability of that being the case. An O'Neill Cylinder is an interplanetary structure we possess the technology necessary to build today. But I suspect it will be a century or so before we actually do so. As you can probably guess from the existence of the number three in the name, this is but one of multiple concepts like this which has been proposed as a possible solution for overpopulation. The subject is both highly intriguing, as well as extremely interesting for anybody who has ever read about it.

So I imagine it is appropriate to ask if you have ever read anything on this subject?

There is a flip side to hypnosis which dictates that results will be highly dependent on the ethics and mindset of the hypnotist in question. It is but a simple matter for them to influence the results with vague suggestion which not only has nothing to do with the subject at hand, but are so vague that they would only be noticed by another highly skilled hypnotist as well. This is that concept of the advanced powers of the human mind coming into play again. It creates this huge gray area that surrounds the world of hypnosis. They do have ways of preventing or isolating such suggestion naturally. Whether or not the hypnotist uses these quickly becomes the issue here.

All of that said, I found your experience quite credible. Only a single piece of information might raise a flag. The concept of maintaining such a low level of gravity, while useful in the work tasks you described, is capable of causing very serious health problems once the individual returns to the surface of a planet, even after only a short stay. Beyond that, not only is the concept sound, but I believe something similar was proposed in one of those habitation projects I mentioned.

But even if it was pure imagination, this does not mean it would never become fact. If you can imagine something, then somebody else can eventually invent it. And they probably will, providing it is a useful concept. Have you ever noticed how many science fiction concepts have become a reality in the past half century? Does art imitate life, or does life imitate art?

One of the most powerful aspects of the human mind which we are very aware of, is our cognitive capability. We can figure anything out if given enough time. It can even be said that one of our primary reasons for existence is to solve problems. We even create problems just to solve them. Which is not a bad thing in all reality. Seeing as how every creature that is a part of a given environment contributes something of substance to that environment, might this not remove one of the anomalies regarding our existence from the equation? All we have ever done is take.

I would not be surprised to see a future where your vision had become a reality. We are such an ardent explorer species that one can rest assured our ventures into space will eventually take many forms. In another thirty thousand years there will probably be human colonies which no longer has any idea that a place named Earth ever existed.

This is your vision EBS. And your call as well. How do you feel about it?

Tim
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