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« Reply #540 on: Jun 23rd, 2007, 06:05am »

In Revelation chapter 13, describes the Beast out of the Sea.

Verse 2:

"...The Dragon [Satan] gave the Beast his power and his throne and great authority."

Verses 7-10:

"He was given power to make war against the saints [Christians] and conquer them. And he was given authority over every tribe, people, language, and nation. All the inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast-all whose names have not been written in the book of life belonging to the Lamb [Jesus] that was slain fromt he creation of the world.
He who has an ear, let him hear.

If anyone is to go into captivity,
into captivity he will go.
If anyone is to be killed [anyone kills-depends on the manuscript] with he sword,
with the sword he will be killed.

This calls for patient endurance and faithfulness on the part of the saints."

Now, here are some references as to what different sects believe:

Why does God allow the beast to conquer the saints?
At times God permits [note the verb, was given, vv. 5,7] defeat and suffering. It looked like Christ was defeated on the cross, and at times in history, it has seemed as if God's people have been defeated. But ultimately Christians will prevail because God in Christ has prevailed for us.

Who is destined for captivity or execution?
Certain saints. Christians can expect persecution, and God allows some to be captured or killed. Christians are called to accept what God allows. That requires patient endurance and faithfulness.

In other words, it is a test of faith. God is tough and he never pretended to treat us with kid gloves.

Now, I personally believe there is a reason for everything. Things like this do not happen just by mere chance. That is wherein my faith is. That there is an overall purpose for these things, and even though we may not be able to see it, doesn't mean it is any less significant.

I know, I hear that more than anyhting...If there is a God why does he allow for bad things to happen to good people? The idea is to allow God to be God and the human to be the human. wink
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« Reply #541 on: Jun 23rd, 2007, 1:41pm »

HEY nephilim and all of you;you know it is amazing how we bow down to GOD, but all thru the bible and the history of prophets apostles the whole 9 the devil has the say so in the begining and the end. take moses for enstince god would tell moses one thing to go and tell the pharoh about leting those people go yet the devil runs a head and fixs it for the pharoh not to do what god has told moses to ask the pharoh. now can you amagine runing 40 miles back forth which equeal 80 miles both ways for forty years. Is god a jokester? now let us look at JOb ;god and the devil makes a bet on this mans life wheater he disobays god ; now the bet is on this man got all thease sores all over his body his children got killed and much more. here,s another thing why do god like blood in all thease sacrefices? Is god and the devil one in the same? they seem to make a lot of bets they desrtoy more over with Fire. they put courses on people you hardly ever see the two now a days. ARe they related to Extraterrestrial,s? they seem to only show up when one or two people are around. And that is for a short while. mind your mind for the jewels of your soul. huh
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« Reply #542 on: Jun 23rd, 2007, 3:17pm »

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Satan is an angelic being. At one time he held a high position in Heaven.

It is when God created the physical universe and life within it, did Satan begin to grow jealous.

The main thinking is that Satan was basically the first elitist, in that once God blessed the life in which he created here in the physical universe, Satan then began to accuse [Satan in Hebrew means "The Accuser," so he actually had a different name before this time] the liforms that God created.

Why?

Because the lifeforms were inferior to the angelic beings and Satan didn't think they deserved such a high status, as to dwell in Heaven with the angels.

And here lies the wedge between the fallen angels and the Heavenly angels.

In Exodus [The story of Moses and the Pharoah], it was not Satan who hardened the Pharoah's heart, it was God.

Why?

Because the Pharoah refused to acknowledge God, and he desperatley saught to "debunk" Moses as a fraud. And each plague that was sent by God to the people of Egypt through Moses, was God's attempt to show the Pharoah who was in charge. The Pharoah refused. So, God then had Nefertiti harden the Pharoah's heart, thus sealing the Pharoah's doom, and freeing the Hebrews. The overall good in this being that the Hebrews were freed. It was the Pharoah's choice.

While the Hebrews travelled in the desert, they had to make a stop along the way. This was important as here is when we find Moses speak to God on Mount Sinai and did receive the Ten Commandments.

Also, God gave the Hebrews specific instructions not to send scouts ahead to the promised land. That God would protect them and that once they got there, he would give his people what was neccessary to attain the land. But the Hebrews somehwere along the lines lost this faith, and they sent scouts ahead anyways. When this happened, is when God said that none of that generation was worthy to enter the land. That it wasn't for them any longer. It would be the next generation that would attain the land.

Job is a good example of how God not only wants us [physical lifeforms in this universe] to be with him. How much more for the angelic beings! God is the father where Satan is like the little immature kid who is huffy and puffy and who rebels against the parent's wishes. Does the parent not want the child to come back to them and understand? Punishment is not God's way of playing a cruel joke, it is because he wants them to come back to him.

It is said that to not discipline your child means that you do not love your child very much, because an unlearned child grows to become a monster. No parent [who cares] wants to see this happen. wink
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« Reply #543 on: Jun 30th, 2007, 09:17am »

Nephilim; we will never understand the meaning of Life and the "Creator's" role, and our involvement if we keep the window of our understanding narrow. We must learn to think like Angels, or we are one level higher than the monkey. Let us start with higher logic. The "Creator", as described in the holy books of the Hebrew Torah Bible, cannot be named, or described or even understood. The "Creator" is not a "He", or "She" or even an "It". The "Creator" is not an individual entity and is not a father figure. The references in all of the religious books to God does not describe the "Creator". The Creator can not be individualized, or separated from Its creations. The Creator is everything, both the uncreated and the created, and is best described as Energy or Spirit. Can you comprehend this? I've attempted to explain this in my latest book, entitled," Other Dimensions of Reality" which is due to be published imminently electronically by Filament E-book publishing.


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« Reply #544 on: Jun 30th, 2007, 12:13pm »

hey timetraveler; what you are speaking of is the all in which we can only be a part of . I know that will be a good book . cool
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« Reply #545 on: Jun 30th, 2007, 3:29pm »

Ok, but in that same sense, God is all of those things as well. God is a father figure no doubt about it, but that is not all God is. I understand what you are saying, yes. I realize God has like 42 names in the Torah, and I do appreciate the fact that nobody can fully summerize or understand the essence of God...that's what makes him God smiley

Don't read too much into me refering to God as a 'he,' it's just and expression, you know what I mean. I am not Hebrew, nor do I know all of God's names. I do not think anyone should know every name of God. The more a word is repeated the less meaning it has, so to preserve a sort of sacredness and respect, it is not wise to repeat the names of God. So, 'God', to me, is the best thing to say when in conversation.

It is probably true when you say we won't fully understand the meaning of life, I do not think we are meant to, not in this form and not in this realm of exsistance anyways, and perhaps not even then. God is truly a mystery and I think it is this way for a reason. I do however believe that we can know certain aspect of the Creator and the Creation, that which pertains to us.

I would be interested to read your book though, post an update when the book is up?

I don't know if you saw this post by me in another thread, or perhaps you are already aware of this article? Check it out, pretty cool. smiley

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« Reply #546 on: Jul 3rd, 2007, 2:19pm »

When you can rise above the clouds of confusion and see clearly, then you'll be able to see and understand the real story. The Creator is not explained in any Bible. The Bible makes many references with a multitude of names and titles, such as God, the Lord etc. But this is not the Creator. The entity who was chosen to be in charge of the education of the Creator's Souls was the Angel Jehovah, who then made a partnership with the Angel Satan for this purpose. This partnership is so clearly described in the Bible when Jehovah, [a.k.a. God] decided to test Job and Satan, his partner, played the role of the bad guy to assist in this test. Jehovah is not God,[the Creator], but has assumed the title to satisfy his egomania. His contract runs out between 2010 and 2012, when the Angels of Light arrive to audit his performance. That is why the laboratory UFOs have been rushing for the past 200 years to create a hybrid race to replace the defective human race that was under the supervision and the authority of Jehovah. Jehovah intends to present the new hybrid human race as the result of his work.

Just to set the record straight, Jehovah did not design or create the bodies of the Human race. That task was subcontracted to the Saurian race, who are a fourth dimensional race that is proficient and skilled in designing and creating bodies. The "greys", are artificial intelligence creations of the Saurians, and they are trained to perform many tasks including genetic engineering. This information was given to us by some abductees who challenged a Dragon like Saurian, who was apparently in charge of the "greys", in a UFO. When the abductee said to the Saurian," you have no right to violate my privacy or to conduct these invasive procedures on my body", the Saurian replied," we have the right, because we created you".


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« Reply #547 on: Jul 3rd, 2007, 6:38pm »

whats up timetraveler;the only part of the human body that was fashion by god is the human brain; if you read in gen;you will find the blue prints of man kind which started on mars, I can show you the blue prints in the bible yet about the orgin of us from mars I will have to refer you to the face on mars, you see that it has noy only human like features yet it has ape like features that in which we are a part of as well as riptilian dna ,in us as well, now I ask a question again where we created from mud or sand or clay? my aswer is neither that would not be the natural order of things. now here this just like god is not a name the same aplyies to adam which means dust of the ground in which the food we eat grows from and the people was called adamites his name was kedmon; you know something we eat foods that has a short life span ,such as a grape very short life span.here what we eat is the results of our life sran. now we eat meat but first we have to age it to eat it by cooking it .still bad because of the posins and our 20 to 30 feet dejestive system, when a lion eats raw meat it is okay he or she is design for all the posins from the meat by their dijestive system being only 1 foot long and right by their rear end , which makes it easily form them to rid them selves of those acids and poison from much meat consumption. and in short the mind is like water, you can not keep neither contain, they both are constanly on the move ,you can put water in a container and seal it off ,yet water will find away out it will disolve or seep out it evaporate into the amosspere and then it rains we drink it and then we release it back water is constanly on the go so I ask you where is it going and where is it coming from, those are just some of the unque things about water we need it to live and it can kill one by drowning , so now is water a god? winkoff topic some times when I mispel a word I know I not the best speller or writer either by far yet at times like in the forum why et want reveal to the world what they are , something hits my hand to another key while typing , and like I said we can come up whit all kind of gessing both sides up their agree on one thing , and that is (nothing happens before time and when it happens it is on time and in time ) not before or when we think it is ready for us check it out for your self that goes for the goverment as well dont you think if they knew the hole of it they will be braging and showing it off , the goverment is human just like us so think why would they get better treatment than us they only get cures for some deases and some reverse tech ,so now if it reverse tech and not the original the top scientist cant comprehend the knoledge that et is giving them not only can they not read the language, think, MIND YOUR MIND FOR THE JEWELS OF YOUR SOUL. cool
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« Reply #548 on: Jul 3rd, 2007, 6:43pm »

Let me ask you, what is to stop aliens from lying?

The 42 names of God have nothing to do with English words. They are Hebrew and they are not just names, they each have profound meaning.

I do not believe God is some egotistical being, as if a false diety.

I do not believe that God and Satan are "partners."

If one reads the Book of Job, then you can clearly see that God is God, not some equal partner to Satan.

God is refered to as the Creator. The Alpha and the Omega. the beggining and the end.

Jesus warns folks not to be decieved.

I do realize there are some loose ends, and I do not claim to have all the answers, but I have my beliefs and they are strong. smiley
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« Reply #549 on: Jul 3rd, 2007, 8:17pm »

the alpha and the omega are just greek alphbet how could Jesus be the all god first off why would god need to pray the lord prayer shows that because he says our father who art in heaven not me jesus who is in heaven you see nephilim you need to open your mind and not say because of what you was taught by some one that you was sure they was completely right . yes time traverler is right they was right and you have separeate god from angels and which god is you hear speaking. now check egypt is the oldest living and running civilazation ever that we know in recorded history no in the alphbet their was no j or g so now what was their name before english, back to egypt america has apyimid on the back ,also hitler went to egypt and all others including jesus and if you read correctly you will see that the god sent them their to what learn. grin dont let your anger get in the way of truth people say they want the truth and once they get it they put up a fight not toinsult you by no means the devil will fight to keep any one from knowing the truthand the truth hurts some people because they have the spell of the devil so there for they can not stand the real truthby the spell of the devil have given them all their lives they have been a lie. rethink and open your minds dont belive me check it out . cool belive=be - lie- to -eves -children=belief continue on if thats what you all want to live you rlife in confusion because thats what satans job is yet his time is up ,we are living in the time of light and truth we are felling the after afects of the devils rule, it takes longer for some to grab hole to this new age .what do you think time traveler. wink
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« Reply #550 on: Jul 3rd, 2007, 9:59pm »

The Bible is not the oldest Religious text printed, and is fairly modern, compared to some earlier writings, and practices that long pre-date the biblical era. My personal opinion, is that the Bible should be called biblical error and not era.

There is a web page that gives examples of some of the more common religious texts that have been written;

http://www.cftech.com/BrainBank/OTHERREFERENCE/RELIGION/HolyBooks.html

The Analects A collection of Confucius' teachings thought to have been recorded by his students. They are considered the only sayings that can safely be attributed to him.

Bhagavad Gita A Sanskrit poem that is part of the Indian epic known as the Mahabharata . It describes, in a dialogue between Lord Krishna and Prince Arjuna, the Hindu path to spiritual wisdom and the unity with God that can be achieved through karma (action), bhakti (devotion), and jnana (knowledge). The Bhagavad-Gita was probably written sometime between 200 B.C. and A.D. 200.

Five Classics Five works traditionally attributed to Confucius that form the basic texts of Confucianism. They are the Spring and Autumn Annals, a history of Confucius's native district; the I Ching (or Book of Changes ), a system of divining the future; the Book of Rites , which outlines ceremonies and describes the ideal government; the Book of History ; and the Book of Songs , a collection of poetry. Together they promulgate a system of ethics for managing society based on sympathy for others, etiquette, and ritual. Although the dates of these books are uncertain, they were probably written before the third century B.C.

Koran (Arabic, al-Qur'an) The primary holy book of Islam. It is made up of 114 suras, or chapters, which contain impassioned appeals for belief in God, encouragement to lead a moral life, portrayals of damnation and beatitude, stories of Islamic prophets, and rules governing the social and religious life of Muslims. Believers maintain that the Koran contains the verbatim word of God, revealed to the prophet Muhammad through the Angel Gabriel. Some of the suras were written during Muhammad's lifetime, but an authoritative text was not produced until c. A.D. 650.

New Testament The second portion of the Christian Bible, which contains 27 books that form the basis of Christian belief. These books include the sayings of Jesus, the story of his life and work, the death and resurrection of Jesus now celebrated as Easter, the teachings and writings of the apostles, and instruction for converting nonbelievers and for performing baptisms, blessings, and other rituals. The New Testament is believed to have been written c. A.D. 100, some 70 to 90 years after the death of Jesus.

Old Testament The Christian name for the Hebrew Bible. It is the sacred scripture of Judaism and the first portion of the Christian Bible. According to Jewish teachings, it is made up of three parts: the Law (also known as the Torah or Pentateuch), comprising the first five books (Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy), which describes the origins of the world, the covenant between the Lord and Israel, the exodus and entry into the promised land, and the various rules governing social and religious behavior; the Prophets , including the former prophets (Joshua, Judges, Samuel 1-2, Kings 1-2) and the latter prophets (Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, and the 12 minor prophets), which describes the history of the Israelites, the stories of heroes, kings, judges, and wars, and the choosing of David as leader of the Israelites; and the Writings (including Psalms, Job, Song of Solomon, and Ruth, among others), which describes the reactions of the people to the laws and covenants, as well as prayers and praises of the covenant. Some books of the Old Testament regarded as sacred by the Jews are not accepted as such by Christians; among Christians there are differences between Roman Catholics and Protestants about the inclusion of some books, the order of the books, and the original sources used in translating them. Scholars generally agree that the Old Testament was compiled from c. 1000 B.C. to c. 100 B.C.

Talmud A compilation of Jewish oral law and rabbinical teachings that is separate from the scriptures of the Hebrew Bible, or Old Testament. It is made up of two parts: the Mishna , which is the oral law itself, and the Gemara , a commentary on the Mishna . The Talmud contains both a legal section (the Halakah ) and a portion devoted to legends and stories (the Aggada ). The authoritative Babylonian Talmud was compiled in the sixth century.

Tao-te-ching (The Way and Its Power) The basic text of the Chinese philosophy and religion known as Taoism. It is made up of 81 short chapters or poems that describe a way of life marked by quiet effortlessness and freedom from desire. This is thought to be achieved by following the creative, spontaneous life force of the universe, called the Tao. The book is attributed to Lao-tzu, but it was probably a compilation by a number of writers over a long period of time.

Upanishads The basis of Hindu religion and philosophy that form the final portion of the Veda . The 112 Upanishads describe the relationship of the Brahman , or universal soul, to the atman , or individual soul; they also provide information about Vedic sacrifice and yoga. The original texts of the Upanishads come from various sources and were written beginning c. 900 B.C.

Veda The sacred scripture of Hinduism. Four Vedas make up the Samhita , a collection of prayers and hymns that are considered to be revelations of eternal truth written by seer-poets inspired by the gods. The Rig-Veda , the Sama-Veda , and the Yajur-Veda are books of hymns; the Atharva-Veda compiles magic spells. These writings maintain that the Brahman , or Absolute Self, underlies all reality and can be known by invoking gods through the use of hymns or mantes. The Vedic texts were compiled between c. 1000 B.C. and c. 500 B.C., making them the oldest known group of religious writings
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Many religious followings actually stemmed from someone having a dream! Often, many years ago, people had a dream of seeing "masters" who give them information from esoteric sources, perhaps astral level or some other dimensional level. And there are others who after consuming hallucinogenics, had "visions" of spiritual beings. Some of these visions actually planted a seed to where world religions sprung from it, while many others who perhaps had similar experiences, and a small core of followers; disintegrated when the followers in certain generations become deceased.

There is certainly lots of evidence that humans communicated with "space people" by all the art work and carvings in ancient Egypt sites, central America, South America, perhaps Stonehenge was a religous site where certain rites took place. Because of the mortality of the human being, we need to grasp that something could be greater; as what a waste it would be to just be a temporary personality, walk the earth for perhaps six or seven decades if we are fortunate enough to not succumb to illness or some other way of dying.

2012 is getting close and there are many people today who have been channelled messages of some type of new age is about to come. There are hints that hybird race of entities are about to reveal themselves, if what some are saying on the UFO web sites is true. The pole shifts that have long been prophecised by various psychics seem to be aligning to their visions they have shared with humanity. Even the film done by the previous American vice-President (Gore)demonstrates a climate change is in progress. Ocean levels are rising.

Some are even going further and preparing for what they believe are catastrophic changes coming at or about 2012. Underground facilities are being built, while others were built in the last fifty years and even Russia is thought to be building a massive complex in the Ural mountains that could sustain 60,000 people if there is truth to these speculations. Construction data and employee involvement seem to be suggestive of this known as Yamantu.
http://viewzone.com/yamantau.html

After seeing a UFO in 1997, I was very skeptical of alien's or any other beings from outer space. But after seeing a large craft, that stayed airborne, making no noise and big enough to be a large intercosmic barge, my mind quickly changed. This thing was massive, and very unlikely that it was built in a earth based hanger somewhere, as it was so different from anything that I had ever seen before.

I share the same opinon as Irwyn in many of his things that have been discussed over a period of time; and we as humans have to think outside of the metaphoric square box. Society has taught us to accept what "the government or authorities" tell us; but as we know, they don't always tell the truth; or share information that should be told. There have been many people affeccted by toxic dumps and unsafe water, the government knows about it, but does not bother taking action, as it would or could cause undue public panic, so instead of sharing the bad news, they sometimes figure the best way is to deal with litigation suits that may arise after a deferred period of time in the future. Perhaps paying out litigations that are very time consuming; it likely is less costly than it would have been to purchase properties and relocate people.

Evidence is mounting and becoming very suggestive that extraterrestrial beings have been living on the Moon and Mars for a very long time. Did ET tell us to stop going to the moon? Why suddenly stop after the Apollo moon missions? Did they take place or were they fake? Again, the government leaves alot of murky waters to swim through in trying to find out the truth.

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« Reply #551 on: Jul 5th, 2007, 3:12pm »

I know that it is very hard for you to understand what I am trying to say. I am maintaining that Jesus was a man, who was a great teacher of the Essene teachings, but he was not the, "Son of God". The logic that I use is that the Creator is made of energy and is the "Great Spirit" referred to by the American Indian. How does an energy Being produce a "flesh and blood" Human Being offspring? Did the Creator also have a daughter, or second cousin? This religious belief system is so ridiculous, that it defies logic and common sense. Religions are man-made, and they cause wars, dissension and separation of the many segments of Mankind.

If you read the Bible and see the many "tasks" and "tests" and "angers" and "punishments" that "God" a.k.a. the "Lord" has subjected the human race to, then you will realize that you are not dealing with the "Supreme Deity", but rather the Angels Jehovah and Satan, who have assumed the title and identity of the Creator. Do not be fooled by this colossal "Deception". Check this out with your Angels!!!

As to the UFOs interfering and intervening in the workings of "Mankind". Some time ago UFOs purposely overloaded the Niagara power grid in the Northeast of the United States in order to to see how millions of people would react to this massive power blackout. They controlled this experiment so that in spite of the enormous magnitude of this catastrophic event not one person lost their life in this catastrophe! In another example of UFOs intervention, some time ago, moronic scientists decided to map the contours of the planet Earth by detonating a massive atomic bomb at the North Pole. UFOs had to intervene by "cushioning" the disastrous shockwaves from this explosion to prevent the Earth from being knocked out of its orbit and all life on this planet destroyed.
In another instance of UFOs intervention, they "kidnapped" two or possibly three Mars space probes which posed a threat to the Solar system. Can you imagine NASA trying to explain how these space probes disappeared from their monitors? So, as you see, UFOs play an important role in protecting and safeguarding the Human race from self-destruction.

Try to see the "big picture" and realize that the entire Universe is connected and that all of its parts are dependent upon each other for survival. Learn to think.

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« Reply #552 on: Jul 5th, 2007, 3:29pm »

Look, this is a very sensative area for me, and it would be easier for me for one to just cut off my head, rather than deny Christ. wink

No way, no how.

I would like to state that I do not follow any one specific organized sect of Christianity. I do not attend a church regularly, and when I do attend a church service, it is usually at a different church each time.

Do not think of me as one bound to the organization of control, rather a free thinker. I read the Bible, and this is what comes to me.

Other than that, I think I'll politely excuse myself from this discussion. smiley
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« Reply #553 on: Jul 5th, 2007, 9:36pm »

NEPHILIM whats up mangrinont give up, check this out.another way to study the bible for acrecy is customs ,tridictions ;thats how they prove that mary madeglene was Jesus,s wife and that he had children. wink
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« Reply #554 on: Jul 6th, 2007, 1:35pm »

on Jul 5th, 2007, 3:29pm, Nephilim wrote:
Look, this is a very sensative area for me, and it would be easier for me for one to just cut off my head, rather than deny Christ. wink

No way, no how.

I would like to state that I do not follow any one specific organized sect of Christianity. I do not attend a church regularly, and when I do attend a church service, it is usually at a different church each time.

Do not think of me as one bound to the organization of control, rather a free thinker. I read the Bible, and this is what comes to me.

Other than that, I think I'll politely excuse myself from this discussion. smiley
hey nephilim you made me laugh a good laugh dont leave stick to what you are comfortable with,Ilike you as afriend you listen good , IF good or your god is the one nothing I or any thing we say can change that I am pretty sure god can handle any thing tha comes his way or he would not be god. cool
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