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« Reply #555 on: Jul 6th, 2007, 4:36pm »

Heh, I like you too Jugement smiley

But this particular conversation I have nothing for. Anything more from me on this issue will only bring hostility. This kind of thing is what wars are made of wink

In the same manner I do not wish for my beliefs to be belittled, I extend this to you folks as well. Even when some do go ahead and disrespect my beliefs, In Proverbs it calls for wisdom and for us to overlook such insults. So this is what I'm trying to do, even though the human nature in me wishes to rage, I will refrain.
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« Reply #556 on: Jul 7th, 2007, 10:36am »

It is not my intention, or desire, to insult anybody's beliefs, or to challenge anybody's beliefs. If you are secure with your belief system then you should be able to discuss alternate theories and philosophies. Do not take any of my postings as a personal attack, or as an admonishment. This is called freedom of speech and individual identity. I have spent most of my 77 years searching for understanding, and I have discarded many belief systems and philosophies along the way. Be strong in your beliefs.
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« Reply #557 on: Jul 7th, 2007, 1:30pm »

You folks are not going to leave me alone about this are you.

Of course I do not consider it a personal attack by you to me. I never said that though I see how my posts have been taken this way.

It is still a high insult nonetheless, not that I believe this is your intent, but you must try to see it from the other side as well.

You cannot tell a Christian Jesus was just some dude and expect that Christian to walk off with a smile on their face. It doesn't work like that.

You cannot tell a Jewish person God is just some false diety and expect them to be too happy about it.

I'm sure when you think about it, you can appreciate this notion.

So, what is left? "You are wrong, no, you are wrong, no, you are wrong, no...blah blah and on and on..." rolleyes

No, I think I posted my personal opinions while trying not to step on yours. When I realized this was becoming futile, I just decided perhaps I'd step out of this one. Understand that I do not think you shouldn't post your ideas, I never said that. When you throw in freedom of speech in it, you make it sound as if I am here to stop you from speaking in some way, when I never said this, nor did I ever imply it. As a matter of fact if I continued to post my personal beliefs on the matter, it would appear more and more that this was what I was trying to do.

It isn't easy to extend to others their right of belief while keeping in tact your own without getting into a heated debate. I've been around the religious flame war block before, so I see it comming way before it gets here. I am not so foolish as to take that bait. smiley
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« Reply #558 on: Jul 9th, 2007, 1:19pm »

Hey timetraveler; I dont have any problem with what you write I enjoy talking with you so will you please come back and post more. your okay in my book.overstand grin
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« Reply #559 on: Jul 9th, 2007, 3:48pm »

I think that many people do not understand the message that a teacher like Jesus was trying to send. I believe that the message was," we are all the "seed" of God, [the Creator]". This makes more sense to me, because our Souls are the same DNA as the Creator. If you can eliminate the man-made rituals and interpretations of religions, then you will have a better chance to commune directly with the higher intelligences. Irwyn cool cool cool

PS, in 1975 I was ordained as a minister of a Spiritualist church by Reverend Rawls in Montréal, but I have chosen not to pursue this title, or to embrace the teachings of the Spiritualist church.
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« Reply #560 on: Jul 9th, 2007, 7:46pm »

I agree, and like wise.good to hear from you. grin
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« Reply #561 on: Jul 11th, 2007, 09:59am »

Some of you are engaged in a thinking, which is an exercise in futility, and naïveness. The World system that exists today is beyond repair and is rotten to the core. No Human Being, or organization can repair it. You make me laugh when you say that the president will fix what is wrong with this country, or when you expect the leaders of the world to change the way things are. When you think like that you are negating the purposes of the UFOs and not taking into account the roles that higher intelligence Worlds, such as Angels play in safeguarding and protecting our Solar System and the rest of the Universe. UFOs are real!!! They have not been "visiting" us and abducting and altering the genetic makeup of humans, because they have nothing better to do. There is a "PLAN" to replace our self-destructive race with a future race of hybrids. They're doing some serious work, and we should not underestimate their importance.

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« Reply #562 on: Jul 11th, 2007, 8:53pm »

I think you are right and on point . hey timetraveler. I have said the same thing on the strange craft topic. you just said it better ,and good and better . I am very please to here from you . talk that talk. only foools duck when the truth is trown at them.overstand grin amos 5;8seek him that maketh the seven stars and o-ri'-on, and turneth the shadow of death into the morning, and maketh the day dark with night; that calleth for the waters of the sea, and poureth them out upon the face of the earth; the most high is his name.
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« Reply #563 on: Jul 12th, 2007, 09:29am »

I have always held high regard for Irwyn's postings and sometimes it takes me some time to understand the full picture or scope of what is being said, and at times it may appear that I do not fully agree or understand, but life is unfolding in front of me, you, and everyone else and our belief systems sometimes get challenged by new experiences we all go through.

It is clear that Irwyn has arrived where he is today, by having old belief systems challenged and the wisdom he shares with the readers is from his personal experience. In order to understand new philosophies and ways of thinking, we have to challenge ourselves and look beyond the six sided box. We have to look with eyes, beyond the two that we have, and use our third eye, tisril til as some call it, or the psychic eye and learn to trust inuition. Life is an ongoig process.

One thing for sure, if human thinking does not change, than humankind is on the eve (within years) of great tribulation, especially with the type weaopons of mass destruction available on this planet that could get in the hands of people that are not afraid to use them, like these terror groups that seem to be popping up everywhere nowadays. We only have to look at the fraility of some governments who DO HAVE weapons of mass destruction to soon realize a very bad situation could arise very quickly if stability does not come to these places soon.

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« Reply #564 on: Jul 12th, 2007, 09:36am »

Hi EBS

I too have been reading Irwyn's posts for years and agree pretty much with everything he says. He has an incredible amount of wisdom to offer to those who will listen. He has been warning folks on here for years, and I really admire him for never giving up.

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« Reply #565 on: Jul 12th, 2007, 10:02am »

on Jul 12th, 2007, 09:36am, Luvey wrote:
Hi EBS

I too have been reading Irwyn's posts for years and agree pretty much with everything he says. He has an incredible amount of wisdom to offer to those who will listen. He has been warning folks on here for years, and I really admire him for never giving up.

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THat is so well said, and it has taken me time to absorb all the things Irwyn has said to us and it will challenge many people in the way we traditionally think or understand.

I thank people liKe Irwyn for challenging me to think outside of the box, even when I may agree to disagree on certain things, and it is that way with everyone. It is how we challenge ourselves, by being challenged in the way we think by others, but doing so in an open ended discussion.

Many questions and ideas that I have often tossed around inside my head, Irwyn will come in and write about it, reinforcing things to me that I have been thinking about, so I do know that what he speaks of, is very valid. I know there are masters and angelic beings in other dimensions, but I had never thought about them being alien entities until Irwyn told me about it, and IT MAKES ALOT OF SENSE to me. I cannot speak for others how they feel about the ideas, but for me, I love the way Irwyn challenges me on them.

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« Reply #566 on: Jul 18th, 2007, 03:30am »

Here is a link to an interview with Dr David Jacobs, Phd that supports what Timetraveller is saying about the hybrid program.

http://www.virtuallystrange.net/aic/davejacobs.html

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« Reply #567 on: Jul 18th, 2007, 11:10pm »

HEY Luvey; that is very good post.her I took an answer from ,DAVID M JACOBS/this is not what I have found .this is very advanced science that we are dealing with. any attemts to try to link it to human science and thus to human imagination have failed. visitor/and in all cases,not once has something gone wrong, no one has gotten away with a picture, a piece of machinery, a scrap of unearthly cloth? I have asked somthink simaler ,stated the same, I will perchase his new book once out. cool
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« Reply #568 on: Jul 23rd, 2007, 6:20pm »

I thank you all for your most favorable and supporting posts. When you understand some simple, basic realities, then it makes it easier to understand the "Big Picture".

The Human race is an experimental race which was originally designed to teach Souls by experience. Unfortunately, the Angels in charge of this project, namely, Jehovah and Satan have assumed the roles of "deities" and have allowed the designers of the Human race's bodies the authority to play a major part in their evolution and development of civilizations and learning. The designers of the Human race are called Saurians, and they have taken advantage of their "license" to raise civilizations to their apex and then destroy them. They have engaged in "war games" and in the genocide of certain races. The Human race, does not control its own destiny, the Saurians do.

When you naïvely believe that the human race will change its ways and save itself, you are sadly mistaken. Remember that these higher worlds can see the future, and prepare for it. That is why they are constructing the new hybrid human race to be implemented before the year 2012. They know that the "Angels of Light" will come to monitor them and to examine their work. That's why they are trying to create the new hybrid Human race and to claim that this is their product.

When you ask, what can we do to help to save the human race? You can help by raising the level of your own consciousness, and by communicating a higher understanding.

The evil powers that control this planet must answer to the "Angels Of Light", who are the highest Angels and who are responsible for the care and maintenance of the entire Universe and all of Creation. This "judgment" is indicated in the holy books, as the "Day of Reckoning". This will take place before the year 2012. Do not be concerned with whatever negative acts or actions you have been responsible for. We have all been pawns in this "game". This is all part of the Souls learning.

Try to rise above this World and all of its evil and insanity, and believe that there are higher intelligences which will restore order and balance.

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« Reply #569 on: Jul 23rd, 2007, 7:48pm »

Although I typed this up with someone else in mind, I think it is also very relevant to what Timetraveller is saying. I copied from Michael Talbot's book, "The Holographic Universe".

The Holographic Universe on Aliens.

If UFOs and related phenomena are merely psychic projections, how are we to explain the physical traces they leave behind, the burnt circles and deep impressions found at the sites of landings, the unmistakable tracks they make on radar screens, and the scars and incision marks they leave on the people on whom they perform their medical examinations? In an article published in 1976, I proposed that such phenomena are difficult to categorise because we are trying to hammer them into a picture of reality that is fundamentally incorrect. Given that quantum physics has shown us that mind and matter are inextricably linked, I suggested that UFOs and related phenomena are further evidence of this ultimate lack of division between the psychological and physical worlds. They are indeed a product of the collective human psyche, but they are also quite real. Put another way, they are something the human race has not yet learned to comprehend properly, a phenomenon that is neither subjective nor objective but “omnijective” – a term I coined to refer to this unusual state of existence (I was unaware at the time that Corbin had already coined the term imaginal to describe the same blurred status of reality on in the context of the mystical experience of the sufis).
This point of view has become increasingly prevalent among researchers. In a recent article Ring argues that UFO encounters are imaginal experiences and are similar not only to the confrontations with the real but mind-created world individuals experience during NDEs, but also to the mythic realities shamans encounter during journeys through the subtler dimensions. They are, in short, further evidence that reality is a multilayered and mind-generated hologram.

I’m finding that I’m drawn more and more to points of view that allow me not only to acknowledge and honour the reality of these different experiences, but also to see the connections between realms that, for the most part, have been studied by different categories of scholars, states Ring. Shamanism tends to be thrown into anthropology. UFOs tend to be thrown into whatever ufology is. NDEs are studied by para-psychologists and medical people. And Stan Grof studies psychedelic experiences from a trans-personal psychology perspective. I think there’s good reason to hope that the imaginal can be, and the holographic might still prove to be, perspective’s that can allow one to see not the identities, but the linkages and commonalities between these different types of experiences. So convinced is Ring of the profound relationship among these at first seemingly disparate phenomena that he has recently obtained a grant to do a comparative study on people who have had UFO encounters and people who have had NDEs.

Dr Peter M Rojcewicz, a folklorist at the Juilliard School in New York City, has also concluded that UFOs are omnijective. In fact, he believes the time has come for folklorists to realise that probably all of the phenomena discussed by Vallee in Passport to Magonia are as real as they are symbolic of processes deep in the human psyche. There exists a continuum of experiences where reality and imagination imperceptibly flow into each other, he states. Rojcewicz acknowledges that this continuum is further evidence of the Bohmian unity of all things and feels that, in light of the evidence that such phenomena are imaginal/omnijective, it is no longer defensible for folklorists to treat them simply as beliefs.

Numerous other researchers, including Vallee, Grosso, and Whitley Streiber, author of the bestselling book Communion and one of the most famous and articulate victims of a UFO abduction, have also acknowledged the seeming omnijective nature of the phenomenon. As Streiber states, encounters with UFO beings “may be our first true quantum discovery in the large-scale world: The very act of observing it may be creating it as a concrete actuality, with sense, definition, and a consciousness of its own”.

In short there is growing agreement among researchers of this mysterious phenomenon that the imaginal is not confined to the after life realm, but has spilled over into the seeming solidity of our sticks-and-stones world. No longer confined to the visions of shamans, the old gods have sailed their celestial barks right up to the doorstep of the computer generation, only instead of dragon-headed ships their vessels are space ships, and they have traded in their blue-jay heads for space helmets. Perhaps we should have anticipated this spillover long ago, this merging of the Land of the dead with our own realm, for as Orpheus, the poet-musician of Greek mythology, once warned, “The gates of Pluto must not be unlocked, within is a people of dreams.”

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