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« Reply #60 on: May 12th, 2003, 1:12pm »

H. J.; man your mind is a beautiful thing. I like the way you think. If we wanted to send space explorers to other planets or other solar systems or even other dimensions we would construct artificial beings similar to the greys. They are the perfect choice because they do not eat, drink, or perform any biological functions. Therefore they require very little maintenance. They are programmed to perform certain tasks and they are capable of thinking and reacting to a certain extent. Also they are dedicated to their function. I would prefer to describe them as artificial intelligence technicians.
I believe that you are correct in your assumption that they are primarily involved in genetics. The human genetics are obsolete and like a computer hard drive have become corrupted. Therefore the genetics have to be altered. I believe that we are witnessing a melding of two different genetic codings that combine emotions and sensitivities of the human being and the mental abilities, consciousness and psychic abilities of an advanced civilization. I believe that this is an alternative to the destruction and elimination of the human race. The awesome powers that the greys demonstrate that seems to come from their eyes I believe is part of the genetics package that we will inherit. Goodbye to anthropoidal man! Hello to Superman! Irwyn
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« Reply #61 on: May 12th, 2003, 2:16pm »

Thanks for the compliment. It could be that we are being interbred with. Many of the abduction stories told would tend to confirm it. But wether it is for our benefit or theirs remains to be seen. They show us little compassion while doing their work but that could just be their mechanical nature. We will see I suppose.

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« Reply #62 on: May 12th, 2003, 2:24pm »

I have to say I disagree with you Irwyn and believe the greys are hostile towards the human race and are sent by the "controlling" Reptilians - to monitor us and keep our DNA - dampened down - and to give us the A.I. "messages" it wants to use to control us - think poorly of ourselves, etc.

In short, they are INCAPABLE of love and therefore their technology will become null and void in the future of humankind.

We have had ENOUGH of this enslavement and the dark agenda is being wiped of the Earth plane by the benevolent Forces of the Creator - whose WILL WILL BE DONE ON Earth!!

The VAST INTERFERENCE of these controlling manipulators will be getting cleared and THIS, THIS ALONE - will be how we will evolve into "SUPER".

It will be done with the HIGH FREQUENCY of LOVE!!! <b>NOT</b> with the INSIPID MANIPULATIONS of "technology" which have ALWAYS been without love. WHICH HAS FAILED!! BIG TIME!!!
There will not be MORE manipulating God's Creation.

LOVE! Is the new technology - the HIGH FREQUENCY of LOVE - Raise your FREQUENCY - This is what has ALWAYS been missing in the interference with Earth humans. EVOLVE or DIE!!!

Creator GOD is in charge here and did not make a mistake. The "mistake" has been all these power-hungary invaders - convoluted VALUES about Human Life! I really get tired of the viewpoint "humans are a mistake". This is a very limited perception in my view of the HUGE, HUGE, HUGE process that is evolving here. Planet Earth and the divine human race are a GEM! of the Universe! Why do you think we have been fought over for so longhuh I am getting very emotional here because this is so HUGE and being approached with a very old, and limited view. Apologies if you are offended.

This is PRECISELY why, imo, we have a problem - people do NOT see God in humanity - that is a PROBLEM!! in the Universe!
Personaly, I think your past lives are dictating your view - this has been tried, ad naseum, already!!
IT HAS FAILED!!
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« Reply #63 on: May 12th, 2003, 2:35pm »

H. J.; I don't believe that the interbreeding as you call it is the benefit of the UFOs. They're already demonstrated that they do not need us to function or to survive. Suppose we change our focus of thinking. Instead of looking for answers with some universal omnipotent deity that has no form or shape or identity and is beyond comprehension, what if, we are dealing with the architects that designed us who are now looking to redesign us as an improved generation? What if, the Angels that are recorded in ancient Bibles and religious texts are UFO beings? What if, these UFOs have the answers to who we are, who created us, and where do we go from here? This is something to think about. Irwyn
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« Reply #64 on: May 12th, 2003, 6:45pm »

goldenvoyager, I wouldn't judge your beliefs by being offended by them. They are your obviously sincere beliefs and you are entitled to them. Tell me more.

timetraveler, but what if they (greys) are the instruments of our future? What they do here would certainly benefit them or their masters in the future, perhaps save them. Wouldn't that be plausible since it seems our scientists are beginning to accept the possibility of time travel now? Perhaps, if they are truly alien but somehow able to mix with our genetics, they need something from us (like emotions) that they want or need. I can see many scenarios that would benefit them and simply annoy us. But I can see it reversed also so it proves nothing. We simply don't know yet and our assumptions are entertaining but lack solidity. Without proof, we can believe what we want about it.

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« Reply #65 on: May 13th, 2003, 03:29am »

Irwyn, I think the concept of an "omnipotent"... "answer"... has been the premise of MUCH manipulation already. That is what I perceive as "holding on" to an old viewpoint. Since the beginning, this is all we were to those who came, the "gods", we were manipulated to do their work here - we were, and to THIS DAY! - their slaves! We have to be DONE with this, imo.

The returning "creators", or manipulators, have ALSO learned that IT DIDN'T WORK - because it was without LOVE! Now, the GOOD returning ones are only trying to help by keeping us from warring - WITH OUR PERMISSION! - We have voted - AS A PLANET - and they have these statistics. So we have ASKED for help, and they are ALLOWED to do so. They are ALSO warring with the not-so-good returning ones.

It really comes down to the bottom line here - LOVE really is the only way to win the war between good and evil. EVERYONE is learning that here. They are and we are. In this sense, we are equal to god - and have to come more and more into this perception of equality and immense gratitude for this Creation - IF Earth is going to continue. LOVE is the GLUE.

I do, and we have, within us, the ability to KNOW GOD. This is still the slowest, densest reality - 3D. What I believe, what resonates with all my experience and research and understanding (and pain), is that the Earth itself is evolving, and we either evolve also or we are out of here. To move to the 4th dimension and higher, we are being pumped with high frequencies, and this is why the days seem to zip by. This is the technology to flush the lower frequency manipulators! So we either get with it or we are flushed.

I don't know how much we here understand DNA; my understanding is that the greatest way we have been manipulated has been to dampen down our DNA. This is done right here - thru all kinds of controls and accepted structures of "reality" - perception is reality - t.v., little decisions that have huge impact on our governance and on and on... all this effects our abilities to access our own system. Raising the frequencies and reconnecting DNA - switching on the codes, and being ABLE to hold a higher frequency, is how I believe it is being done. If people are locked into their patterns - they will be getting very depressed because they are not connecting with these frequencies that are switching on the DNA - lighting up (i believe even more strands). I have never tried to articulate this - but another way to look at it is raising the kundalini energy. We are getting turned on, and those who want to still be negative and warring will not be able to stay in the frequencies here. Earth is evolving, with or without us. So this is all Perfect - all learning, of what works and what doesn't. And our "creators" are here for their own evolution as well, better believe it. They messed up the first time and left a mess and it had to wait till we are like mirroring what they did here that they come again. But they are NOT in charge here. They are here for the learning - to help, and are very powerful in the help that they are giving. You won't read about it until ... the time is right and I think it is soon.
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« Reply #66 on: May 13th, 2003, 9:18pm »

H.J.; I think you are on the right track when you state that they are very interested in our emotions. They mirror our emotions and we mistakenly think that they are emotional, but they are absorbing our emotions into their own chemistry. I do not believe that they are a dying race or that they need to interbreed with us for them to survive. They don't need us, we need them. They have a mission to bring us into a fourth and fifth dimensional world. It appears as if they are responsible for our welfare. Supposing we represent a threat to ourselves and our solar system and the universe in general. Supposing we are so technologically advanced that we have the capabilities to not only destroy our planet but in the process pollute and negatively affect our solar system.
This cannot be allowed. We're not the only lifeforms in our solar system and there are beings who live in existence in other dimensions who would be affected by our self-destruction. Therefore a higher intelligence that has the authority must intervene. Ergo,U.F.O.s.

GoldenVoyager; your thinking is similar to mine, except for your insistence on love as a panacea to save mankind. If you read my cosmic consciousness experience you can see that I experienced love in that experience however it was such an unearthy type love that it defies description.
I am tired of using catchwords like God to explain everything and anything. I have lived too many lifetimes to hide behind meaningless words and titles. We are fortunate to be living in this time because the answers are right here and we finally are able to communicate with these higher intelligences.

I believe that the abductees have the ability to read the minds of the greys even as the greys are able to read their minds. I believe the U.F.O.s want us to know more in order for us not only to raise our technology but to expand our minds. I believe this is part of their mission.
I also believe that the Roswell crash was not an accident but was premeditated in order to give us research material and to jumpstart us in a new direction. What do you think? Irwyn
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« Reply #67 on: May 13th, 2003, 10:59pm »

I ask this respectfully. On what do you base your belief that they don't need us and that we need them? As far as I can tell from the reports, it could be either way. Your scenario of we being a danger that has to be controlled is without any basis that I know of other than a continual theme propogated since the sixties. The Big Brother aspect to aliens and ufos has been done to death, with them wanting to save us from ourselves and protect the universe. While we are at it, how do you know there are other planets with life forms in the solar system? Well, I won't go on since I've probably offended you but I do think it's important to stick to the facts. But, then again, maybe I'm on the wrong board. wink I should be on the "ultimate skeptic board"! grin

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« Reply #68 on: May 13th, 2003, 11:43pm »

hj - that question is valid and valuable - and if it is deflected again...

It's not easy to communicate with you Irwyn. If I use other contexts other measurements - you can always find ways to poo-poo and deflect away any value - touting your frame of reference as the only valid one. so the word love has a meaning. if i use frequency or any number of other systems' ways to measure or calibrate ... you have a problem with all of it i think. yet, the real problem, i think, is your inability to value human experience. in that regard, you emulate the values of the enslavers of humanity and they are leaving this plane - as they do not love.

I feel sorry for you Irwyn, that you THINK you are only capable of experiencing love in a dependency with a ufo. if I had experienced my awakening in that form - i would have contemplated it a long time (as i do my awakening experiences) to come to understand that i could not have experienced it if i were not capable. i would understand that "it" did not occur outside of myself but inside and therefore i had all the equipment.
i was not a "mistake".
and the purpose of the experience was to teach me because i had such a deep sense of unworthiness and god was kind enough to deliver to me in a form i would accept. apparently, this is the only form you accept love and therefore haven't learned the lesson being taught - only developed an eternal dependency-craving to experience again - never once considering you may be the source - meanwhile, brain capacity stays the same... and so it goes.

but you made your point - "communication is everything" and "love defies description".

i do not have a problem with god - only with people with 1/20 to with 1/10 of a brain who put god outside themselves - who want to make others responsible and are eternally looking to some other form to save them. that to me is the problem. it was why religion was invented to control the masses. apparently, very successfully. so maybe you do want to start a cult.

i tell you what - you could have a million communications and experiences back to back and never get it that you are the one. and that was the only reason you had the experiences in the first place.
so i would say you didn't get the message.

i'll stick to my journey of equality and love and being god here on earth - good luck.
goldenvoyager out.
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« Reply #69 on: May 13th, 2003, 11:58pm »

Is it getting warm in here or is it just me?

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« Reply #70 on: May 14th, 2003, 05:21am »

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« Reply #71 on: May 16th, 2003, 5:32pm »

Wow also; it looks like I am under attack on several fronts. I am not offended by other thinking or opinion. If anything I welcome the exchange. I am sorry if I seem too entrenched in my philosophy and I do not mean to denigrate the human being and exalt the U.F.O.s. My basic thinking is that everything is for a purpose and that we benefit from our life experiences. My teachings are different from the Orthodox and I do not wish to put them on anybody. I do not wish to start cults and I am merely interested in stimulating thinking, imagination and free thought. I do not mean to dodge any questions but I do not wish to have this board involved in religion or politics.
You're telling me that I am coming on too strong, so I will lighten up. There is no doubt in my mind that these UFOs need us to benefit them. However the vast gap between their technology and ours is impressive. I do not believe that the reptilians have enslaved us or that they wish to enslave us. If that were the case how could we stop them? When we fired our latest star wars missle at one of the U.F.O.s it stepped aside and let the missile pass, like a matador letting the bull go by. This was documented on video that was shot by one of the astronauts. I have the VHS tape home. How could we defend ourselves from them if they were our enemy? But again I apologize for coming on too heavy. I enjoy your comments. What do you guys think? Irwyn
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« Reply #72 on: May 16th, 2003, 7:02pm »

Hey Goldenvoyager, don't run off! This forum gets into some touchy areas but I still want to hear what you have to say. If we all thought alike here no one would learn or formulate new ideas on the subject at hand. Remember most of the things discussed are not science and cannot be proved. If things get a little heated step back and realize the overall context of the situation. Take it easy on each other... I should talk huh.
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« Reply #73 on: May 16th, 2003, 11:19pm »

Good advice and basically what I have learned on this site. Mutual respect and an open mind are important tools to be used in seeking the truth.

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« Reply #74 on: May 17th, 2003, 01:05am »

Ok, Backlit, because you asked - here's what I have to say. (I am not a "joiner"-type tho, fwiw.)

Irwyn said: "I do not believe that the reptilians have enslaved us or that they wish to enslave us. If that were the case how could we stop them? When we fired our latest..."
I don't know about anyone else, but i tend to think anyone who believes this is either very late for the party or an instrument...

it is not obvious reptillians and weapons walking around (there are good reptillians too) - so you will not necessarily read about that if you are on the lookout reading about aliens... but, as I said, the greys are their friggin mind controllers - and they work long distance, cross-lifetimes, 24/7. Once you are on their radar (I am) they are always trying to interfere and trying to keep you from any leadership or influence - because you threaten their plan for control.
(as an aside: i had a dream in '83 about these beings with crystal eyes (no soul) that would try and get you to look at them to suck your soul out of you. I just knew if I kept my eyes shut and not look at them (it was hard, because of the pull, fear and mind-control) and STAY INSIDE myself, i would not get sucked - literally. When I thought I could not stand it any longer - the scene changed to color and it was INCREDIBLE - it was FREEDOM!! and everyone was just in nature again and just in love with LIFE!! it was INCREDIBLE fast change - I think it was prophetic dream and advice, anyway I am certainly glad i had it - more prepared and know the story ends "happily ever after smiley")

psyops are not obvious - do you think they operate in the light of day? Do you think they announce their intentions? and would you kill off all your slaves right away? doesn't sound like a sound fiscal plan - until the day it is. No, instead we have levels of sophistication from the ufos, down thru CIA, and government - this is really beyond words - "defies description".

Second, I do believe that there is the war plan of the goal to kill somewhere around 98% of the world's population. something like that - so that is a bit beyond most people's imagination - yet what is behind all the fear and psyops operations used on Americans to take away the Constitution, t.v. propaganda, internet disinformation and agents, etc.. So the enemy is very much within here.

The enslavement goes back to the beginning of recorded history - and I use no religious references as Irwyn does to site the ways humans were "shocked" and "awed" etc.

The books by Zecharia Sitchin - notably, 12th Planet, has a lot of his work on connecting the dots between cultures, archeological findings as he is the foremost translator of Sumerian text and very much on the trail of every piece of evidence - even those that get confiscated by gov't/CIA and those with special interests. Religions and evolutionists alike do not want the general populace to read Sitchin and like the CIA and other controllers do - they deflect any value of his work. But that is why it should be on everybodys kitchen table.

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