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« Reply #660 on: Mar 27th, 2008, 3:49pm »

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"In the 1970s I was working as a clerk in the Grand Central post office station and I was going to work. It was about 3:40 p.m. on a day in July. I was south of Lexington Avenue on East 42nd Street in Manhattan and walking very briskly while trying to dodge the heavy pedestrian traffic.
As I was looking straight ahead, I suddenly felt my skull in the back of my head had been removed in an area of about 5 inches in diameter. It felt to me as if I was having a lobotomy operation and I could feel the coolness inside my head and a loss of bone density in this area. This area of my head had become numb. This feeling of numbness was very similar to the feeling that one experiences when a foot or an arm “falls asleep” due to the pinching off of a nerve.
Then I saw with amazing clarity, as if I had an eye in this “missing” area of my head, a disk shaped spacecraft which I “knew” to be about 250 miles above the Earth. This craft was gently rocking back and forth as if in a gentle magnetic breeze. I was able to “see” into the interior of the spacecraft whose dimensions I sensed to be about 18 feet in diameter by about nine feet high.
I saw three “men” inside this craft. They all appeared to be about 5 ft. 7 inches tall. They all had white skin; black hair, gray eyes, and they all looked identical in appearance. They were each dressed in a gray colored mechanics type overall, which had no buttons or zippers or any apparent method of opening or closing this garment.
One “man” had his back to me and was seated on a raised plastic type molded chair. He was facing a crescent shaped keyboard of many different colored lights. This keyboard somehow reminded me of the music organ at Radio City Music Hall. I “knew” that this keyboard was the operating panel for the spaceship.
Another “man” was walking from the left side of the vessel toward the center. The third “man” was bent over a central support column which ran from the ceiling to the floor and made me think of the center axis of a gyroscope. He was peering into a black binocular type sighting device, which somehow reminded me of a Norden bomb-sight. I realized that he was watching me through this instrument.
Then I saw what looked like a steel cable coming from the bottom of the spacecraft and connecting to the back of my head, and although I knew it was not a physical cable, I sensed that it was to show me that a communication connection had been made from the spaceship to my brain. The cable followed my every movement as I dodged the human traffic on the street, and I felt that I was connected mentally to that spaceship.
During that day at work I tried to believe that this experience had really happened to me, but it was so unbelievable to me that my mind was inclined to dismiss it as a hallucination.
When I returned home that night after work, within a block of my house I saw a brilliant flash of silver light streak from one end of the sky to the other like the blurred movement of a silver colored metallic object. This silver light traveled across the sky at a speed almost too fast for the eye to follow. At this point I looked at my watch and I saw that the time was exactly 3:40 AM, exactly 12 hours after the UFO sighting experience. I took this to be a confirmation from the spacecraft that my experience had been real."
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« Reply #661 on: Mar 27th, 2008, 3:51pm »

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"In 1973 I was giving a lecture in Montreal at a Spiritualist church, and my lecture subject was, "UFOs and Angel Worlds". The audience was mostly French-Canadians who understood very little English.
I was speaking at a high level of inspiration, and as I lectured I thought to myself, why am I speaking on such a high level when most of the audience cannot understand English?
At this time I looked at some of the faces in the audience and my attention was drawn to two “men” who were seated in the center row. When I looked at their eyes, I knew that they were not of this world. There was the calmness and centered look of Angels in their eyes, and I knew they were Angels or UFO Beings. I realized that they were raising the frequency of my lecture in order to raise the audience to a higher level.
After the lecture while I was seated in the rear of the church these two “men” came over to me and they smiled at me. One of these “men” said, "That was a fine lecture, Mr. Greif, "and the other “man” said, "You are the first "real" Human being that I have met." At that time I felt honored as if I had just been awarded the cosmic Academy Award.
Were these two “men” the same “men” who appeared as Angels to Lot in the Bible?"


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« Reply #662 on: Mar 28th, 2008, 4:36pm »

Timetraveler you state clearly that you can give these angels or aliens a 3d image and others have seen them when you have gone through your meditation , now if it is possible to see them then why not photograph them as the camera should pick up what the eye can see that way you can show the world that what you say is real and not a fantasy in your mind, also what makes you so sure that your angels are what you say they are how are you so sure they are not evil and lying to you, if you have such constant contact as you say you do then why are they not giving warnings of disasters ect as you state they move through time and giving clear advance warning would be no great feat to them , or even a more simple help to humanity ask for the cure to aids or child leukemia as from what I have read of abduction these guys are far medically advanced to us so it should be quite simple for them especially if they are the kind loving beings you state they are, convince me that they are good get them to prove it, I doubt that you can as your post is as empty of solid fact just like my post, I cannot prove that my theory is just but there is evidence that proves these guys are all evil and work together there are endless statements of horrific injustice carried out on humanity by these creatures from hell and in my book that does not constitute an angel. Why travel such great distances just to hide from us if there intentions are good , a good Samaritan will come up to your door and ask if he can be of any help not creep about in the dark ducking and diving doing nasty things.
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« Reply #663 on: Mar 29th, 2008, 12:52am »

on Mar 12th, 2008, 10:12am, timetraveler wrote:
Let us try to simplify the understanding of existence and of nonexistence. There are other dimensions of existence and reality and these are the habitat of other beings. What you perceive with your conscious mind and your five senses is a limited physical dimensional world. We cannot use this as the Keystone or guidepost to understand other dimensional beings. As I have stated so many times we must go beyond our physical limitations and learn to think like ETs in order to understand them and their worlds. Think with your higher mind and not with your logical brain. Understanding requires a quantum leap mentally above and beyond quantum physics. Are you ready?


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I often ponder why it is so easy for some to understand, and so difficult for others...is it not possible that to keep the balance of existence there must always be teachers and students? -lori
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« Reply #664 on: Mar 29th, 2008, 01:01am »

on Mar 25th, 2008, 11:16am, Raf wrote:
Irwyn,

I asked this question also in the other thread when you made this statement. I’ll ask again here…are your friends hinting at some sort of catalyst? In my opinion, its going to take an enormous..push, if you will…to get people to accept that their chosen religion is false or in error.

Personally, I find the New Age philosophies liberating. But what it would take to shake the major religions free of centuries of dogma?

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The catalyst is the next phase of human evolution, the 5th world is evolving...heaven on earth as prophesied, but not quite like the many religions think. This current earth will be void of human beings as we now them and the earth will have an opportunity to revive itself from the burdens of human destruction. Think of it as an onion is layered, each layer a dimension of itself. There are many layers or dimensions of existence which remain unseen to those who have not ascended to that level of understanding..but it is there nonetheless. See with the eyes of the soul not the eyes of the body.
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« Reply #665 on: Mar 29th, 2008, 01:09am »

[quote author=Raf link=board=angels&num=1050353322&start=641#42 date=1206491116]

The main problem with this subject is, like the above statements, its all opinion, personal belief and faith. And we all ought to know by now that putting your beliefs into a rigid framework at the exception of all other possibilities...is just another box.

A box just like every other dogmatic religion in the world. Except, its a very small box cause its just you.

Personally, I'm trying to come to terms with combined wisdoms gleaned from many sources. Including some the fine minds on this site and others. Is that the answer? I don't know. I'm still working on it.

I've got my beliefs, everyone has theirs. But I'd never state, unequivocally, that mine are on target and yours aren't.

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In essence we all have access to the same Source of information. It's not about beliefs and opinions. It's about listening to your own heart. We can listen to priests and scientists, we can listen to off-world beings, bit we have to hear with our own heart. Sharing how we envision the Truth that comes to everyone offers each of us to examine that perspective and adapt it to our own understanding. Some have simply had more years and incarnations to have a broader perspective.
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« Reply #666 on: Mar 29th, 2008, 05:10am »

Thinking outside of the material world box is not an easy feat to do.

Often, we are conditioned to think in a certain way; we are trained to think, react, and progress in ways others before us have set out the guidelines for us to follow.

For example, religion has often been forced upon the populace of certain regions of the world for hundreds (even thousands) of years. Using Christianity as an example; for hundreds of years, certain cultures blossomed under the umbrella of living with a certain belief system. Large buildings were built, icons were created to symbolize certain historical figures; education structure was built around the concept of belief systems; and golly gee; wars were fought to instill fear into others to follow certain religious paths; while those who chose not to; were often gathered up and executed for not following or being aligned to certain religions. Sometimes diets are formed around religious teachings. Certain foods are either avoided or unacceptable because a certain historical figure did not consume them. More than likely perhaps, that certain religious figure did not “like the taste” of certain foods; but who knows for sure where that ideology came from.
Even today, universities and many schools are structured around certain religious beliefs; and especially in generations gone by; admissions were based on what faith a person held, rather than what prerequisite knowledge of academic achievement a person had prior to attending. Even today, courts and laws use certain religious practices as a structure of "swearing" in oaths. Could you imagine if someone was being sworn into court, they wanted to use “Mother Earth” instead of God? It (sic) would likely cause quite the stir in the media. Perhaps in some other country it would be seen as blasphemy and an execution could be ordered.

From the onset shortly after birth; others (often a State or Province, or jurisdiction to where a person resides on this planet) will do the following:
- Choose what courses or educational path people will have to follow
- Set laws that are often conformed to a certain religion
- Statutory holidays are often set around religion more than personal choice
- The media is often controlled either by censorship or ownership will dictate what can be aired or not aired.
- Borders are set up to coral people like sheeple, certain people can have freedom of movement; while others are not allowed in or perhaps out of certain countries or geographic locations.
- Heck, in many countries yet today, people can be executed for attempting to leave certain countries, North Korea comes to mind based on some news media reports that I saw recently.
- Taxation can be so stifling to keep people in perpetual poverty or to the point that existence is often not more than the basic necessities of life. Yet, certain beneficiaries of taxation systems, like many politicians will use this to advance their personal causes, rather than for the benefit of those who "voted" the person in. Lets look at logic; someone who has the potential of earning 10 times the salary in private business; who sacrifice their so called larger salaries who choose politics; and run for public office rarely do so for honour; so often, they do so they can obtain large corporate contracts from the taxpayers public purse; and use the political power to help them achieve large profits with corporations they often say they do not belong to; but actually are not truly at arms length from them. Think of "finder's fees" and "feasibility studies".

We hear cases where agricultural products are left in the fields to rot; or items like milk is poured into the sewers; just so a stranglehold on "prices" or profit margins can be obtained, yet there are many areas on earth that are far short on these items; so badly needed just for basic survival.

One way of achieving high profits on commodities and natural resources like OIL; is using FEAR of supply shortage; or FEAR of sabotage as ways of price fixing. Remember the 1970s? That is when they were saying that OIL was running out; where supplies were being exhausted; and then by the early 80's, there was no more fear being used on OIL.

TELEVISION is one of the biggest hypnotists on our planet. It can be used to create fear; it is used to market products; it is used to influence culture; it is used to sway public opinion; and so called; NEWS; it is true, or is it selective programming of human beings?

I am using the above examples to arrive here for the next points.

Imagine for a second if:
Schools started teaching people to use their intuition; to take blocks of time for students to meditate and to focus on their potential of extrasensory perception?

Imagine for a second if:
A student did a science projects on dreams, intuition, and reincarnation? (Many critics would say that intuition and reincarnation are not proven facts to exist; and are not healthy subject choices) Yet; entire weeks of study can focus on Christmas and Santa Claus; and we know that Santa Claus does not exist; and Christmas is a "Christian holiday" and is not a holiday observed by all the people, only people who live in certain regions of the earth.

Imagine if there were no borders? Everyone was free to go where they choose? It would cause havoc for the wealthy areas and would ease the burden on places that struggle with extreme poverty. Certain areas of the planet are not willing to share their resources or wealth. For example, in any of the G8 countries; most people earn a decent wage; yet approximately 80% of the world population does not even earn $2 US dollars per day!

Wealth = power on the physical world. Why? In wealthy countries; people can often afford a good education; get high paying jobs; and by having countries where the ability of getting a good education is very difficult; and where large segments of the population may not even have reading skills; it is very easy for the wealthy ones to take advantage for monetary gain. They can employ large numbers of people in factories and sweatshops for very little wages.

Look at religions for example. Some religions tell people it is EVIL to use intuition; it is against their religion to do certain jobs, eat certain foods or abstain from certain activities. See where this goes? It gives people in power a way to firmly hold them to certain rituals and routines. It also may prevent them from expanding their consciousness. By using terms like demons and Satan; it prevents people from delving into areas that may give them insight. Again, another way for a select few in power; a way to prevent others from accessing certain faculties or knowledge that can be available.

I guess to make a posting that kind of jumps all over the place; the long of the story short; is that what I am saying is that from a very young age; we are conditioned to think and react in certain ways. In some areas of the world, it is much more brutal than where I reside perhaps. If these conditions were removed; just think of the potential that the next generation coudl have?

If those who are adept in things like psychic phenonema; who are able to communicate with non-physical beings etc; if these people were allowed to become teachers; without having religious or cultural restraints in the classroom; just think of the potential of what the next generation could have? So often, dogma teaches intolerance. For those who believe in God; what do you think God thinks; if one country who goes to war against another country asks God to be with them? I guess the truth is; GOD; if IT is a he or she or whatever IT is; would either be on everyone' side' or perhaps no-one's side.

Perhaps, our greatest potential resides WITHIN each of us. If we are taught to open our hearts; and live with reverence to the sanctity of life; then perhaps our world could be a much better place for all who reside in it.

Perhaps the biggest mistake made by humankind; was the day borders were built. Were borders built to unite; or are they built to divide?

Probably the truth encompasses both, eh?

EBS


PS: "Thinking outside of the box," if nothing else, is interesting, and often stimulating; but a whole new world may come into focus if we allow ourselves to think. If nothing else, let our imaginations roam the universe; and we never know what thoughts we may come up with. There are no limits and no censorship to our imagination.
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« Reply #667 on: Mar 29th, 2008, 06:05am »

Religion has its good points but it is also a method of control that is being exploited by the few.
Lori you quote time travelers statement that to understand ET we have to think like ET, ok let’s examine ET and how he thinks,
He builds space ships that mean he has construction, factories to make the wireing, to make the seats, to produce the fuel, ECT, ECT.
Let us accept the fact he has searched for a way to travel into different dimensions why because he has the instinct to explore his surroundings maybe searching for his god or to exploit other dimensions for his own needs or greed.
There is more than one so he must have some form of sex life to reproduce.
They have a social structure where they have a leader.
Now that list is just the basics but is it not familiar, you say we are destroying this planet and the answer is yes we are but how do you know that et has not done the same or worse to his planet and now wants our home, now to make him a friend without knowledge of his intentions is not a very wise thing to do, and to class him as your superior is a weakness that will be humanities downfall
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« Reply #668 on: Mar 29th, 2008, 09:15am »

Interesting thread! Some insightful posts as well!

The problem I have with organized religions is something EBS and HS mentioned that I'll elaborate on. Most religions and leaders try to program your mind by installing a fear of God. It's a means of control! What we choose to believe should be based on our faith, our beliefs and not fear. My religious beliefs have EVOLVED throughout my life and continue to do so.

The Bible and other religious texts are wonderful IF used as a guide. But many religious leaders use them to promote fear and destruction. THAT IS JUST WRONG! Whether it's used to promote Jihad or Armageddon!

Yes I believe in God! I also believe in Angels, Spirits and Aliens, Reincarnation and the Special Gifts we're given. That includes things like Astral Projection and ESP! I also have no problem with places of worship IF they are there to TEACH and not try to CONTROL! Some churches tell their members who and what to vote for! Isn't that control? I think that goes against why we are here. I think we're born into this world with a human body so our spirit can learn...to grow...to experience LIFE! Not to be told what to do! What do we gain from that?

However I do believe we have to be accepting of others beliefs. Because I think some people are on a HIGHER level of spiritual evolution. In other words OLD SOULS! I think Irwyn fall into that catagory! Others are just starting their journey! Me? I'm somewhere in the middle! My point is simply there's no right or wrong in what you chose to believe. The only negative is that it will take more time...more lifetimes to evolve, to grow!
Just my two cents! Dan
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« Reply #669 on: Mar 29th, 2008, 09:54am »

on Mar 29th, 2008, 05:10am, Easternbluestar wrote:
Thinking outside of the material world box is not an easy feat to do.

Often, we are conditioned to think in a certain way; we are trained to think, react, and progress in ways others before us have set out the guidelines for us to follow.

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EasternBlueStar, that was an excellently written piece!
- it is nice to see a well thought out opinion / concept
presented as you have done.

Though I had to check a time or two to see if I wasn't in the Conspiracy Theory thread smiley

Having worked in the I.T. project mgt world, I found that Change Management took most of the effort to integrate new software systems and processes. Swear it was going to kill some of those folks to change! That was just to move widgets in and out of the factory.
- but to change one's ingrained social structure is indeed a formatable task.

And as you pointed out, you now have the entrenched organizational structures of religion and goverment powers, who like to keep it the way it is.

Why can't we all just get along?
As long as there is anyONE, who thinks they are destined to rule the world (and he/she has access to the button),
AND
As long as anyone takes a written word (no matter how any thousands of years old, or the inspiration &/or the personal interpretation behind it) as the only truth, with out regard to new truths
- we will be bombarded to constantly choose sides.


Again, thanks for reminding us to think out side the box

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« Reply #670 on: Mar 29th, 2008, 7:44pm »

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In essence we all have access to the same Source of information. It's not about beliefs and opinions. It's about listening to your own heart. We can listen to priests and scientists, we can listen to off-world beings, bit we have to hear with our own heart. Sharing how we envision the Truth that comes to everyone offers each of us to examine that perspective and adapt it to our own understanding. Some have simply had more years and incarnations to have a broader perspective.


Lori,

In a way, I can kind of agree with the above. But once you've listened to your heart, that is the beginning of a philosophy which leads to a belief. Plus even if we all have access to the same information, all of us are filtering that info through our life experience.

I think that is what makes the new age philosophies so personal compared to a mainstream (organized) religion or belief system. A one on one relationship with God or Spirit is a distinct threat to current mainstream thought.

I personally dislike "new age" as a descriptive terminology actually. But I guess it is a quick description.

As far as ET goes? My thoughts are ET goes as ET does. ET is a part of the life journey on this earth..or in this dimension. But ET is a separate issue as far as humanity's relationship with spirit.

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I feel so privileged and blessed to be part of ufocasebook. I believe that we have the best Internet website going. I also believe that we have the most intelligent and enlightened persons participating.
Try to remember the basic realities. Nothing exists without purpose and everything that exists, whether positive or negative is designed by higher intelligence as an opportunity for learning and understanding. Add to this that all of existence is connected and that there are no accidental or random occurrences in creation. If you can understand this then you are a highly evoluted soul.

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I feel it is a good site where we can express our opinions without malice and ridicule, it is good that people are asking questions and submitting answers that bring more questions it is the only path to the truth.
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« Reply #674 on: Apr 1st, 2008, 12:48pm »

I agree with all of you too; this is a great site, mature postings; good discussion and we can all go away with knowing we learn from sharing information, ideas and often with more personal growth.

It has been a few rough days on my end; as my mother inlaw passed away on Sunday afternoon. Her funeral is tomorrow.

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