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« Reply #720 on: May 18th, 2008, 09:54am »

on Apr 30th, 2008, 09:50am, timetraveler wrote:
Everything that we do whether it is positive or negative, good or bad is a teaching. We cannot use our legal or moralistic judgment upon ourselves.


Aren't the words "negative" and "positive" "good" and "bad" moralistic and judgmental?

I do agree with what you say, but, I wouldn't reject the words judgment and moral so easily as you do.

So often we hear from people things like, good and evil don't exist, God forgives everything and accepts everyone. This may be true about God, but what is there to forgive if there is no evil?
And why is there a need to grow if the lower level of growth is just as good as the higher level?


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« Reply #721 on: May 18th, 2008, 1:19pm »

The best therapists for addicts are ex-addicts. How can your Guardian Angels work with you unless they have already experienced every possible negative and positive experience? How can you become an Angel if you have not already gone through all of the lower kingdoms, including human? Meditate on this.

What do you think? Irwyn
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« Reply #722 on: May 20th, 2008, 08:51am »

on May 18th, 2008, 09:54am, trilex345 wrote:
Aren't the words "negative" and "positive" "good" and "bad" moralistic and judgmental?


I don't think that the realization that "negative and positive" exist is judgemental or moralistic.

All of existence operates on - and + energy. The need for continued motion to avoid stagnation leads to the act of continued creative process. This creative process is exemplified in promote harmony between + and - energy. The power figures throughout human culture have used this as a tool to insure continued servitude of the masses by putting moralistic or judgemental overtones...i.e., you are bad, mend your ways or you go to eternal hell, etc. etc. In order for anyone or any institution to insure continued servitude they must have control. Best obtained by keeping public in a state of fear or unrest--fear of hell, fear of war, fear of loss, all the survival needs put in jeopardy and you have the population eating out of your hands! positive/negative energy thus becomes a tool for control...don't buy into it.
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« Reply #723 on: May 20th, 2008, 12:09pm »

Well, even if you reject traditional religions, and stick only to what NDE accounts say, there IS such a thing as hell abviously. Many people have experienced and have been warned about it.

Not so much as a punishment, as much as a self-punishment, and being stuck in your own nightmares
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« Reply #724 on: May 20th, 2008, 12:20pm »

It seems as if I have inadvertently put my foot in my mouth. I have deleted the offensive sentence in my previous posting. Sorry about that. I do not believe that heaven or hell is a place but rather a state of mind. I do not believe that the Creator or Angels judge us. I believe that we learn from experiences both negative and positive and that this is integrated into our consciousness. As we grow in consciousness we become more and more able to judge ourselves.

What do you think? Irwyn
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« Reply #725 on: May 20th, 2008, 10:07pm »

on May 20th, 2008, 12:09pm, trilex345 wrote:
Well, even if you reject traditional religions, and stick only to what NDE accounts say, there IS such a thing as hell abviously. Many people have experienced and have been warned about it.

Not so much as a punishment, as much as a self-punishment, and being stuck in your own nightmares


I have been on the other side, worked with angels in my dream time as dream shaman/medium and there is absolutely no hell unless one is totally immersed in their own fears as they haven't yet left their body. Hell is a configuration of images created by fear, nothing more, nothing less, and I generally am not adamant about things such as this and leave everyone to their own beliefs but on this one...i hold my ground. the other side is heaven! To quote sylvia browne, if there is a hell, it is life on this earth!!! wink
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« Reply #726 on: May 21st, 2008, 09:28am »

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there IS such a thing as hell abviously. Many people have experienced and have been warned about it.



Although I am not a Shaman, I’m with Lori completely on this. I believe a person needs to be careful about their thoughts. If you “believe” in the concept of Hell..you give that concept power over your eventual demise.


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« Reply #727 on: May 21st, 2008, 8:15pm »

on May 20th, 2008, 10:07pm, LoriCordini wrote:
unless one is totally immersed in their own fears


And how is that different from hell?

Depression is also a form of hell, right here on earth, except it gets much stronger in the afterlife

and as for judgment, well, if spiritual beings have no preferences for how we live, then why did anyone ever bother to contact us and give us various laws and guidelines in our earthly affairs.
Why did, for example, Buddha ever bother to say what is ok to do and what is not, and what did Christ, every say what we should do.
I have never heard any spiritual ambassador on earth say, be a thief so that it may enrich your spirit.
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« Reply #728 on: May 22nd, 2008, 10:03am »

[quote author=trilex345 link=board=angels&num=1050353322&start=727#48 date=1211418955]

And how is that different from hell?
Depression is also a form of hell, right here on earth, except it gets much stronger in the afterlife quote]

Could you tell me your concept of hell? Yes, depression can be hellish, but how or where has your undersanding that depression is worse in the afterlife? Do you suffer from bipolar disorder and/or depression? That would explain the "severe" meanings attached to your usage of certain words, i.e., hell.

I am gaining insights and understanding from your posts. Thank you for sharing. It is sometimes difficult for me to relate to the human condition and I do feel blessed to have had so many experiences in this lifetime dealing with the human condition, but there is yet so much to learn.

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« Reply #729 on: May 22nd, 2008, 12:17pm »

I do not quote religious figures or avatars or ancient wise men because they had their own limitations and inspiration is an individual communication based on the consciousness level of the receiver. I have been fortunate in that I communicate directly with Angels and UFOs so I bypass the middleman and receive directly from the source. I do not make Gods or authority figures out of human beings. This is my belief system.

What do you think? Irwyn
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« Reply #730 on: May 22nd, 2008, 12:46pm »

on May 22nd, 2008, 10:03am, LoriCordini wrote:
[quote author=trilex345 link=board=angels&num=1050353322&start=727#48 date=1211418955]

And how is that different from hell?
Depression is also a form of hell, right here on earth, except it gets much stronger in the afterlife quote]

Could you tell me your concept of hell? Yes, depression can be hellish, but how or where has your undersanding that depression is worse in the afterlife? Do you suffer from bipolar disorder and/or depression? That would explain the "severe" meanings attached to your usage of certain words, i.e., hell.

I am gaining insights and understanding from your posts. Thank you for sharing. It is sometimes difficult for me to relate to the human condition and I do feel blessed to have had so many experiences in this lifetime dealing with the human condition, but there is yet so much to learn.

-lori


I'm using depression as a perfect example of what hell is:
you die, you get to face yourself and if you don't like what you see, you feel fear, shame, guilt, and it makes your spirit very heavy and it simply gravitates to a place where others who feel the same are, then you can torment them and they can torment you, but mostly you torment yourself. And you are ashamed of the light, so whenever someone approaches to help you you are afraid to face them, because light is like a mirror, and you are afraid to face yourself, so people can stay there for a long "time" (though time is our earthly concept).
God has nothing to do with it. Hell is created by its occupants.
That is my concept of hell
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« Reply #731 on: May 22nd, 2008, 12:54pm »

on May 22nd, 2008, 12:17pm, timetraveler wrote:
I do not quote religious figures or avatars or ancient wise men because they had their own limitations and inspiration is an individual communication based on the consciousness level of the receiver. I have been fortunate in that I communicate directly with Angels and UFOs so I bypass the middleman and receive directly from the source. I do not make Gods or authority figures out of human beings. This is my belief system.

What do you think? Irwyn


perhaps you don't need these figures,

But take your angels then. Why did they even give you information if all is equal and there is no need to grow

Growth comes from realization that you have more to learn, and that is a form of judgment also.

Obviously your angels and UFO's considered that you in your present state are less than what you could become if you had more information and more lessons learned, so they helped you out.

So again we come back to the old concept of up and down, better or worse , more advance and less advance, or the old vulgar words good and evil

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« Reply #732 on: May 22nd, 2008, 1:09pm »

[quote author=trilex345 link=board=angels&num=1050353322&start=730#48 date=1211478374]

I'm using depression as a perfect example of what hell is:
you die, you get to face yourself and if you don't like what you see, you feel fear, shame, guilt,


I feel so saddened by your comment and the depths of despair you feel. Where or why could anyone have given you cause to carry such a burden of fear, shame and guilt boggles my mind and soul and brings heavy tears to my eyes. I wish there was something I could do or say to help you ease the false burden you carry.

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« Reply #733 on: May 22nd, 2008, 1:11pm »

[quote author=timetraveler . I have been fortunate in that I communicate directly with Angels and UFOs so I bypass the middleman and receive directly from the source. I do not make Gods or authority figures out of human beings. This is my belief system.
What do you think? Irwyn [/quote]

I understand and know exactly what you are talking about!
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« Reply #734 on: May 22nd, 2008, 1:17pm »

on May 22nd, 2008, 1:09pm, LoriCordini wrote:
[quote author=trilex345 link=board=angels&num=1050353322&start=730#48 date=1211478374]

I'm using depression as a perfect example of what hell is:
you die, you get to face yourself and if you don't like what you see, you feel fear, shame, guilt,


I feel so saddened by your comment and the depths of despair you feel. Where or why could anyone have given you cause to carry such a burden of fear, shame and guilt boggles my mind and soul and brings heavy tears to my eyes. I wish there was something I could do or say to help you ease the false burden you carry.


Well, I won't lie to you and say I never felt this . But don't worry , I'm speaking from past experience of what it means to go toward hell (though I have never been on the other side ). I have been healed. And I know I'm going towards the light now, so you don't need to cry.
If anything, existence is to beautiful to put into words. But thank you for your compassion anyway.

I'm just trying to point out that saying there is no hell, is like saying that everyone is happy in this universe.
Obviously some people create a hell around them in the afterlife.


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