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« Reply #15 on: Oct 19th, 2014, 10:36am »

on Oct 18th, 2014, 10:36am, jjflash wrote:
From Dr. Michael Heiser at 'UFO Religions':


Helicopters and Spaceships in Ancient Egyptian Hieroglyphs?

UFO Religions

October 17, 2014

Hardly.

When it comes to internet mythology about alleged alien assistance to the ancient Egyptians, the hieroglyphs in the picture are ground zero. As with the case of the lightbulb in Egyptian art, and the mis-identified picture of an alien grey in an Egyptian wall painting, the claim that there were technologically advanced flying craft in ancient Egypt is utterly bogus.

The glyphs in question are in the temple of Seti I at Abydos. I have blogged about these glyphs before, explaining that they are a well-known and classic instance of hieroglyphic superimposition — a palimpset. In briefest terms, the panel in Seti I’s tomb on which the current glyphs was originally carved with a set of “normal” hieroglyphs. At a subsequent point in time, the glyphs were plastered over and re-carved — a well-known phenomenon in ancient Egyptian monumental writing. After centuries of time, the plaster came off, revealing what we see now — two sets of hieroglyphs superimposed. That is why some of the shapes on this panel are unlike any others in Egypt.

The mdw-ntr website has a detailed, thorough, splendidly illustrated step-by-step explanation of this process. It is absolutely certain that these hieroglyphs are the result of carving one set of glyphs over another for a simple reason: each set of glyphs is known from other texts. It is quite easy to illustrate how the “helicopter” came about from both sets of glyphs. If you want the truth, it’s all here.

See original post for supporting links:

http://drmsh.com/2014/10/17/helicopters-and-spaceships-in-ancient-egyptian-hieroglyphs/

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As referenced by Dr. Heiser, the mdw-ntr website is operated by Medew Netcher and is rich in Egyptian-related content, including study courses, language, artifacts and more. The specific post referenced, 'Aliens And Space Crafts in Ancient Egyptian Temple - Explained', may (and should, if you're interested in alleged UFOs in Egyptian glyphs) be viewed at:

http://mdw-ntr.com/blogs/all-categories/articles/item/2-aliens-and-space-crafts-in-ancient-egyptian-temple-debunked#.VEKGwGddWXs

On a related note, UFO Casebook's DrDil did an informative and well researched piece in 2007 titled, 'UFO's In Sacred Works Of Art', in which the author clarified some misinterpretations commonly held. The post may be viewed at:

http://ufodigest.com/news/0707/sacredart.html


Enjoyed the articles.....I read a similar piece some years back and it explains all the religious aspects and imho clearly answers the question of whether or not these are depictions of ufos.
btw...is Dr Dil also Michael Naisbitt since that is the name tagged to that article in 'ufo digest'.
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« Reply #16 on: Oct 19th, 2014, 11:16am »

Yes, Doc. DrDil contributed content to a post at 'The UFO Trail' I did a couple years ago, 'Open Mic Night', consisting of statements from a diverse mixture of members of the UFO community about constructive directions for ufology. He posted about it around here somewhere. Anyway, maybe you and some others might find it interesting. Actually, DrDil was pretty much why I joined UFOC in the first place.
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« Reply #17 on: Oct 19th, 2014, 7:12pm »

on Oct 19th, 2014, 11:16am, jjflash wrote:
Yes, Doc. DrDil contributed content to a post at 'The UFO Trail' I did a couple years ago, 'Open Mic Night', consisting of statements from a diverse mixture of members of the UFO community about constructive directions for ufology. He posted about it around here somewhere. Anyway, maybe you and some others might find it interesting. Actually, DrDil was pretty much why I joined UFOC in the first place.


Yes...I did read Dr Dil/Naisbitt's article and I agree with his conclusions.
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« Reply #18 on: Nov 1st, 2014, 11:08am »

on May 17th, 2013, 3:43pm, jjflash wrote:
While many people choose to interpret various biblical passages as indicative of UFO-related events, certain scholars disagree with the interpretations, suggesting better understandings of language clear up the confusion. Dr. Michael Heiser, who holds a PhD in Hebrew Bible, adamantly stated on his blog UFO Religions and in his February, 2013 post, How Would a Biblical Writer Describe a UFO if He Saw One?, that not so much as a single instance of supposed biblical spaceships hold up to qualified review. Dr. Heiser offers readers Hebrew translations from original texts and I would recommend those interested in such circumstances give his work a look, as there is much more of it in addition to the referenced post.

The doctor recently announced that he will be appearing at the second Christian Symposium on Aliens, otherwise known as Ancient of Days 2013, from October 3-6 in Nashville, TN. Dr. Heiser will be conducting two lectures, The Divine Council, Giants, and a Return of the Nephilim?, which he emphasized to please note the question mark, and Paleobabble! The Role of Pseudo-Science and Bad Theology in Today's Popularized Alien Mythos.


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« Reply #19 on: Nov 1st, 2014, 11:21am »

Me neither. He is not so adverse to the concept it stops him making a buck. A man with no proof. Are these the schills that crowd the scene. Glad I do not need convincing one way or another.
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« Reply #20 on: Nov 1st, 2014, 12:09pm »

on May 17th, 2013, 3:43pm, jjflash wrote:
While many people choose to interpret various biblical passages as indicative of UFO-related events, certain scholars disagree with the interpretations, suggesting better understandings of language clear up the confusion. Dr. Michael Heiser, who holds a PhD in Hebrew Bible, adamantly stated on his blog UFO Religions and in his February, 2013 post, How Would a Biblical Writer Describe a UFO if He Saw One?, that not so much as a single instance of supposed biblical spaceships hold up to qualified review. Dr. Heiser offers readers Hebrew translations from original texts and I would recommend those interested in such circumstances give his work a look, as there is much more of it in addition to the referenced post.

The doctor recently announced that he will be appearing at the second Christian Symposium on Aliens, otherwise known as Ancient of Days 2013, from October 3-6 in Nashville, TN. Dr. Heiser will be conducting two lectures, The Divine Council, Giants, and a Return of the Nephilim?, which he emphasized to please note the question mark, and Paleobabble! The Role of Pseudo-Science and Bad Theology in Today's Popularized Alien Mythos.


Oh come on, JJ! Are you serious? Basing theories about what the Bible says on accurate translations is well known to take all the fun out of the enterprise. Those "experts" and their degrees in relevant fields are just best ignored. Don't even read what they have to say about it, and don't even think of inviting them to your shindigs. wink
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« Reply #21 on: Nov 1st, 2014, 3:31pm »

on Nov 1st, 2014, 12:09pm, Double Nought Spy wrote:
Oh come on, JJ! Are you serious? Basing theories about what the Bible says on accurate translations is well known to take all the fun out of the enterprise. Those "experts" and their degrees in relevant fields are just best ignored. Don't even read what they have to say about it, and don't even think of inviting them to your shindigs. wink


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Those "experts" and their degrees in relevant fields are just best ignored.


Now this I whole heartedly agree with 100%!
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« Reply #22 on: Nov 1st, 2014, 3:34pm »

Dear me....I think ufodigest missed the whole point of that sarcasm above.

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« Reply #23 on: Nov 1st, 2014, 3:35pm »

What remains to be seen is , are the 'experts' telling us to ignore the biblical scholars anymore correct in their 'belief' then those who they try to denigrate?

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« Reply #24 on: Nov 1st, 2014, 3:43pm »

on Nov 1st, 2014, 3:35pm, LoneGunMan wrote:
What remains to be seen is , are the 'experts' telling us to ignore the biblical scholars anymore correct in their 'belief' then those who they try to denigrate?

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I thought Biblical scholars and experts about the Bible were one and the same......or perhaps you can clarify what you mean?


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« Reply #25 on: Nov 1st, 2014, 4:03pm »

I'm now hopelessly corn-fused!

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« Reply #26 on: Nov 1st, 2014, 4:09pm »

Just keep going until you find your way out of the maize.

Back on topic,

If we can't be sure of what is reported today then we have no hope of ever really knowing what the ancients were seeing.

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« Reply #27 on: Nov 1st, 2014, 5:15pm »

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« Reply #28 on: Nov 1st, 2014, 5:15pm »

on Nov 1st, 2014, 3:43pm, drwu23 wrote:
I thought Biblical scholars and experts about the Bible were one and the same......or perhaps you can clarify what you mean?


huh


They are. Problem as I see it is that looking at it from their perspective those views can be skewed by conformation biased.
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on Nov 1st, 2014, 5:15pm, UFODIGESTORG wrote:
They are. Problem as I see it is that looking at it from their perspective those views can be skewed by conformation biased.


So... ignore the people who can read Hebrew, Sanskrit or whatever, and who have made a career of studying the history of the region and time the books are from, because Confirmation Bias, and lap up what some Ufologist thinks he sees in the King James version? Or am I missing something here?
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