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« Reply #870 on: Mar 7th, 2012, 11:55am »

Found her by accident on you tube....great guitar player and...hot. She is also in a Led Zep tribute band as well as doing various other gigs.
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« Reply #871 on: Mar 7th, 2012, 12:45pm »

Wow...what a talent never heard of her, stunning instrumental and I hear shades of Blackmore in there, what a babe, I`m shocked shocked PowerKnight wink
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« Reply #872 on: Mar 8th, 2012, 3:00pm »

on Mar 7th, 2012, 12:45pm, PowerKnight wrote:
Wow...what a talent never heard of her, stunning instrumental and I hear shades of Blackmore in there, what a babe, I`m shocked shocked PowerKnight wink


Does everything remind you of Blackmore...? wink

I recently decided to revisit Deep Purple (the day before I posted that link) and Rainbow because I felt I might have overlooked them over the years, so I pulled out my lp's and cd's and fired them up for 2 days. Blackmore was and still is a fine guitarist (with Blackmore's Night) but I gotta tell ya the song writing on both the Purple and Rainbow lp's just wasn't very consistent. Very good tracks with some very mediocre ones next to them.
IMHO that's the reason they didn't become quite as big as Led Zep and a few other super groups. The chops were there but the songs weren't always there.
Just saying....
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« Reply #873 on: Mar 9th, 2012, 1:04pm »

One reason for that is their primary drive was live performances. As opposed to mix and remix in the studio like Zep did. I've always been a huge Zep fan, but after three tries was forced to admit their live performances were quite sub par.

Fortunately they remain the sole band I've always been a fan of who was like that. I mean, I've seen those Queen performances where they didn't try things like Bohemian Rhapsody, and just played it on tape during a quick break instead. But that's understandable, and far better than butchering one of your tunes.

I saw Purple quite a few times, and never saw a bad performance. On the other hand, I can say the same thing about ZZ Top. Or Savoy Brown. Or ........... well, you get the picture. BTW, I was a keyboard player in the day, so Purple doesn't necessarily mean Blackmore to me if you know what I mean? Maybe you also now know why i like bands like Traffic and Heep so much? Today we have an absolute drought on good keyboard players in my opinion. Which may only reflect on how difficult it is to master them. Who knows?
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« Reply #874 on: Mar 9th, 2012, 1:32pm »

on Mar 8th, 2012, 3:00pm, drwu23 wrote:
Does everything remind you of Blackmore...? wink

I recently decided to revisit Deep Purple (the day before I posted that link) and Rainbow because I felt I might have overlooked them over the years, so I pulled out my lp's and cd's and fired them up for 2 days. Blackmore was and still is a fine guitarist (with Blackmore's Night) but I gotta tell ya the song writing on both the Purple and Rainbow lp's just wasn't very consistent. Very good tracks with some very mediocre ones next to them.
IMHO that's the reason they didn't become quite as big as Led Zep and a few other super groups. The chops were there but the songs weren't always there.
Just saying....
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I would like to remind some people here that the Rainbow incarnation from 1980 onwards the commercial dross they spewed out and the false pop tunes of that time, was very much a seperate entity to the Rainbow I discovered in 1975.
By this time Blackmore lost the plot big time and decided to cop out on commercial dross as opposed to the artistic brilliance he attained in Purple then Rainbow.
Dio decided he couldn`t sell out as he wasn`t in this game to be a mainstream artist, he left and made the correct decision, the only Rainbow I`m interested in is their golden years 1975-1978.
From that time as mentioned this was consistancy drwu23, the Stranger In Us All album 97 with a different decent singer and line up was a return to what Rainbow really were about, sadly Blackmore got bored again and it folded, if any guy in music baffle`s me it`s Blackmore! PowerKnight wink
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« Reply #875 on: Mar 9th, 2012, 11:50pm »

on Mar 9th, 2012, 1:32pm, PowerKnight wrote:
I would like to remind some people here that the Rainbow incarnation from 1980 onwards the commercial dross they spewed out and the false pop tunes of that time, was very much a seperate entity to the Rainbow I discovered in 1975.
By this time Blackmore lost the plot big time and decided to cop out on commercial dross as opposed to the artistic brilliance he attained in Purple then Rainbow.
Dio decided he couldn`t sell out as he wasn`t in this game to be a mainstream artist, he left and made the correct decision, the only Rainbow I`m interested in is their golden years 1975-1978.
From that time as mentioned this was consistancy drwu23, the Stranger In Us All album 97 with a different decent singer and line up was a return to what Rainbow really were about, sadly Blackmore got bored again and it folded, if any guy in music baffle`s me it`s Blackmore! PowerKnight wink


I listened to the first 2 Rainbows and Purple from 'Rock' to 'Fireball' to 'Machine Head'....their best lp's imo. Some good songs some mediocre songs imho.
Never was impressed by Rainbow and Purple had some nice tracks here and there but much of it was boring to me...just saying.
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« Reply #876 on: Mar 9th, 2012, 11:51pm »

on Mar 9th, 2012, 1:04pm, icepick wrote:
One reason for that is their primary drive was live performances. As opposed to mix and remix in the studio like Zep did. I've always been a huge Zep fan, but after three tries was forced to admit their live performances were quite sub par.

Fortunately they remain the sole band I've always been a fan of who was like that. I mean, I've seen those Queen performances where they didn't try things like Bohemian Rhapsody, and just played it on tape during a quick break instead. But that's understandable, and far better than butchering one of your tunes.

I saw Purple quite a few times, and never saw a bad performance. On the other hand, I can say the same thing about ZZ Top. Or Savoy Brown. Or ........... well, you get the picture. BTW, I was a keyboard player in the day, so Purple doesn't necessarily mean Blackmore to me if you know what I mean? Maybe you also now know why i like bands like Traffic and Heep so much? Today we have an absolute drought on good keyboard players in my opinion. Which may only reflect on how difficult it is to master them. Who knows?


I saw Purple open for The Faces in Chicago once....they were better than the Faces but then the Faces were always a sloppy band.
Overall I actually like some of the Heep lp's better than the purple lp's...there's more variety and it's proggier at times which is what i like.
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« Reply #877 on: Mar 10th, 2012, 01:32am »

Yeah, I kinda suspected it was a matter of taste Wu. grin

I like Heep too, but Lord is a far better keyboard player. Trust me on this. His stuff was always tough to get the sound right on, even after buying a Hammond with a tone wheel.

Not to say Hensley was bad by any means. To be honest, I like most rock with a really good organ player. They add such depth to the music. Even Winwood's laid back style was great. Really great as a matter of fact. Emerson was pretty capable as well. The biggest part for me is that all of the people I mentioned here always did a great job live.

Maybe I shouldn't have picked ........... well, yes I should have. I spent good money to see Zep three times, and got burned every time. Anybody can mix and remix their studio albums till they sound great. Live performances is the measure of how good they are. But I don't think Zep was full of bad musicians. Every time I saw them, Plant was so ripped he probably thought he was still in England. And Page was practically ignoring the band. I suspect there was either some egomania going on, or else they had gotten to the point they rarely practiced together.

And the last time around, it didn't help that their lame Houses of the Holy had just come out. All I can say is I certainly felt let down. I have heard people say they made a great Zep concert. But even more who said they got burned. Yes, I've heard the comments Plant made about Zep later on too. How do you think I came up with those theories?

Can't believe I still feel like complaining after so many years. God only knows I've made my share of great concerts. Pink Floyd, Dark Side of the Moon tour. What a kick A** show that was. Jethro Tull, great performances twice. One show I went to simply because the guy played at the college in the little Virginia mountain town I lived in, who I would never have gone to see otherwise? Billy Preston. Quite the shock. He really knew how to put on a great show. Too bad I wasn't a fan.

Yes, I liked the Dead too. Especially the Kool Aid. On a serious note though, their shows were always ..... interesting. Key point, they loved to play live. Why did they quit holding all those outdoor shows like they used to do? Can't stand this modern method of security ......... security ............ security. Everywhere you look in a given stadium there's twenty people wearing yellow T shirts that say ........ security. Takes all the fun out of a concert.

To be honest, I'm too tight to hand over the $100 to $250 they seem to want for every quality act these days. Pretty much why I stopped making shows. Last one was ZZ Top, but my wife won tickets to that one. You can always count on them to perform though. But it was inside a 30k seat dome. Too small, isn't it?
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« Reply #878 on: Mar 10th, 2012, 01:35am »

Here you go Wu:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZNGhcAeXkc&feature=related

Just had to bug you a bit, ya know. grin
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« Reply #879 on: Mar 10th, 2012, 1:37pm »

on Mar 10th, 2012, 01:32am, icepick wrote:
Yeah, I kinda suspected it was a matter of taste Wu. grin

I like Heep too, but Lord is a far better keyboard player. Trust me on this. His stuff was always tough to get the sound right on, even after buying a Hammond with a tone wheel.

Not to say Hensley was bad by any means. To be honest, I like most rock with a really good organ player. They add such depth to the music. Even Winwood's laid back style was great. Really great as a matter of fact. Emerson was pretty capable as well. The biggest part for me is that all of the people I mentioned here always did a great job live.

Maybe I shouldn't have picked ........... well, yes I should have. I spent good money to see Zep three times, and got burned every time. Anybody can mix and remix their studio albums till they sound great. Live performances is the measure of how good they are. But I don't think Zep was full of bad musicians. Every time I saw them, Plant was so ripped he probably thought he was still in England. And Page was practically ignoring the band. I suspect there was either some egomania going on, or else they had gotten to the point they rarely practiced together.

And the last time around, it didn't help that their lame Houses of the Holy had just come out. All I can say is I certainly felt let down. I have heard people say they made a great Zep concert. But even more who said they got burned. Yes, I've heard the comments Plant made about Zep later on too. How do you think I came up with those theories?

Can't believe I still feel like complaining after so many years. God only knows I've made my share of great concerts. Pink Floyd, Dark Side of the Moon tour. What a kick A** show that was. Jethro Tull, great performances twice. One show I went to simply because the guy played at the college in the little Virginia mountain town I lived in, who I would never have gone to see otherwise? Billy Preston. Quite the shock. He really knew how to put on a great show. Too bad I wasn't a fan.

Yes, I liked the Dead too. Especially the Kool Aid. On a serious note though, their shows were always ..... interesting. Key point, they loved to play live. Why did they quit holding all those outdoor shows like they used to do? Can't stand this modern method of security ......... security ............ security. Everywhere you look in a given stadium there's twenty people wearing yellow T shirts that say ........ security. Takes all the fun out of a concert.

To be honest, I'm too tight to hand over the $100 to $250 they seem to want for every quality act these days. Pretty much why I stopped making shows. Last one was ZZ Top, but my wife won tickets to that one. You can always count on them to perform though. But it was inside a 30k seat dome. Too small, isn't it?


It is indeed a matter of taste...... cool
Lord probably is better though imho he never did much as Purple went on..his best bits were on the earlier lp's especially Deep Purple In Rock.
Personally I think Emerson was better than Lord or Hensley. From his Nice years through the first 4 ELP lp's., Emerson was really good imo. Though I think Wakeman is probably actually the most talented one. I'm not a keyboard player but many like him the best.
Did you ever get into Greenslade? I have all of their original vinyl and Bedside Manners Are Extra on cd.
They had 2 keyboard men.... Dave Greenslade of course and Lawson. Not that many people remember them but I loved their proggy sound and somewhat mystical lyrics. Greenslade was in Colosseum and Lawson came out of a really interesting band called Web.

From what I think is their best lp...my favorite anyway.


If you like I can burn this and send it to you...or anything else you are looking for.

I saw Page and Plant in the 90's with pick up musicians in Chicago ...they were excellent, so the older live sound problems were probably drink and drugs.
Tull (1974)was great when i saw them..very professional and the Who (1974) were also very tight and sounded clean.
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« Reply #880 on: Mar 10th, 2012, 2:04pm »

Another Greenslade track that shows how good these guys were on keyboards.

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« Reply #881 on: Mar 10th, 2012, 4:36pm »

No, while definitely greats, neither Emerson or Wakeman surpassed him. Even in rock music his style is much harder to reproduce, and it is highly structured/arranged as well. What most people don't know about him is that he has much more orchestral music than Rock and Roll. I truly disliked the fact that playing a keyboard back then often meant you had to figure out how in the hell he pulled off the sound in some tune they wanted to play. The toughest part of keyboard work is often the chord arrangements, as opposed to solos and such. Why do you think I gave it up?

Well, carrying a C3 Hammond to upstairs nightclubs played a role as well. grin If you want to play good organ, a tone wheel is a must. Unless you know some way to pack a massive pipe organ around?

The stuff Page and Plant did in the 90s was good. No denying that. I'm still a Zep fan. It would take an act of congress for me to buy another ticket though. But most of their pre Houses of the Holy stuff was really good. A few weak tracks on two and three, but everybody suffers flux within an album. And quite often if you separate the tunes? You will discover it's only your mood of a given moment which makes one think some songs by the greats were not up to par. You gear up for one tune or so which you really like when you play an album, so the ones which have a different style aren't as appealing. I'm sure you know what I mean. Even Floyd often suffered from diversity on some releases, and if ever there was a band who thought out their sound, Floyd definitely qualifies.

Personalities can ruin a great band as well. Heep went into a major slide both during and after the Byron-Hensley blowout for example. And all kinds of weirdness came out of them. Another great example was the Eagles on The Long Run. They wound up simply going through the motions to complete it.

Can't say as I ever got into Greenslade, although I did hear of them. I will have to check it out. You have to remember, I got heavily into Blues as well. With so many obscure artists to dig through, I know I missed things. I almost overlooked Mahavishnu when I got into Blues real heavy. It was right around that time. I have also had Classical phases, as well as Bluegrass (my roots are in Bluegrass country). There is a lot of great music out there, is there not?
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« Reply #882 on: Mar 10th, 2012, 4:51pm »

Some lists of keyboard players.....as always this is subjective based on tastes as icepick mentioned.

http://www.philbrodieband.com/muso_solos_rock_keyboardists.htm

http://www.the-top-tens.com/lists/greatest-keyboard-player.asp

http://unspun.com/music-song-album/21791-best-rock-keyboard-players

http://www.digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_keyboard.html.

...seems like Emerson, Wakeman, and Lord are always right in the top ten.
I realy like Banks from Genesis..forgot to mention him earlier.
For me there are really two categories here: those you like musically and those who are technically better .
My favorite two are Wakeman and Banks musically because I love Yes and Genesis music but there are probably technically superior players out there.
People like Jan Hammer ( Mahavishnu,jeff beck), Ian Underwood (Zappa), Middleton (Beck), Corea with RTF are better technicians but then they mostly did fusion music.
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« Reply #883 on: Mar 10th, 2012, 11:57pm »

A couple of glaring vacancies every time Wu? Both are not well known, I don't even know their names. One played for Kansas, the other for Bloodrock. The reason for their not being mentioned? Probably because they never indulged in solos much. But they held that highly structured/arranged philosophy which truly great keyboard players must have.

This is the big problem where rating keyboard players is concerned. They are about 70% of the depth of every band that features one. But if they are too lax about their background parts, you quickly get a roller rink sound. When done properly, those parts must be played very precise at all times to sound right. Guitarists can get rowdy, or have off days and get away with it. Keyboard players have no such luxury. Especially if the primary keyboard they use is an organ. Hence the chord arrangements they create for every tune is far more indicative of their talent than their solos.

Yeah, it's quite understandable why so many people miss this fact. The rhythym/background/fill just doesn't seem that glamorous, does it? It's like being a bass player. You are the Rodney Dangerfield of music.

On the other hand, I guess you could legitimately point out that the only reason very many people know about Elmore James is because the likes of Hendrix and Clapton aped about the guy so much?

I do agree with your assertion that there are many great musicians who have been unjustly slighted by ever greatest list ever created though. It's a given. Music is an art form, so it's impossible to get that far beyond one's personal tastes in most cases, isn't it?

I was just thinking about that list at Rolling Stone which rates Dylan as the sixth best singer of all time. Hard to get off the floor every time I think about it. And I do like much of Dylan's stuff. But sing? ROFLMAO!

I see but one saving grace where rating musicians is concerned. The timeless aspect of music written by truly great artists keeps the pulp off most of these lists. Shall we remind the folks at the Grammies about this before the next Milli Vanilli shows up? grin
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« Reply #884 on: Mar 11th, 2012, 06:25am »

Icepick,
The keyboard player for Kansas was Steve Walsh. I was a 'roadie' for Kansas for a short time when they were still a bar band in the seventies and had 'The Pot County Pork and Bean Band' as their opening act!!! Another great mid-western band that unfortunately never caught on!

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