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« Reply #945 on: Mar 26th, 2012, 4:12pm »

on Mar 26th, 2012, 03:59am, icepick wrote:
You would probably be talking about the Santa Barbara Machine Head, although you may be thinking about Purple under their original name of Roundabout, which was still two members shy of developing the classic Purple sound associated with their Mark II, and I guess you could say Mark IV lineup as well. Hard to tell, he was working with many different musicians at the time.

Blackmore fans would be disappointed to hear the Machine Head stuff, as it reveals the true origins of the Purple sound, even though he was still several years away from kicking the Leslies to the curb and hooking direct to a Marshal Amp. That more than anything else was what helped him finally create his definitive style. Although I know of nobody else who figured out how to create distortion with a tone wheel Hammond by simply overdriving the amp. Under any circumstance I've seen, this produces a sound which would make a sick hippo sound good. Too much overdrive with tone wheels.

Any point in this drive through yesteryear? Besides possibly pointing out how dismal the post 65-75 era crop of keyboard players has been? They seem to have trailed off heavily after that period for some reason.


It was indeed Santa Barbara Machine Head...not Roundabout. Personally I was never a big Purple fan...I did like many of their radio hits but the albums lacked something for me. I became engrossed in prog in the early and mid 70's and 'concept' albums and liked lp's that had a kind of mystical/atmospheric bent to them.
The point of the last 2 posts..?...just fun and games ,and I like to listen to the old roots of bands before they became 'famous'.
Being 60 I liked that old retro sound since I bought the 45's for many of these early bands.

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« Reply #946 on: Mar 26th, 2012, 5:18pm »

That one I would have never gotten. Wasn't that big of a fan. The only reason I know a lot about certain artists, was because of my instrument. Some people, like Lord or Hensley for example, you had to study a bit if you wanted to know how they developed their sound. Most of the people you like were straightforward and easy to figure. Sorry, but that's how the ball bounces. Perhaps the reason there are so few keyboard players today is because they take so long to master? Just a thought.

Never was much of one for 45s, even though I'm plenty old enough to have bought them. And pocket discs. Remember those bendable buddies? Albums back then sucked for the most part, so I got picky about music early on. No Dusty Springfield or Dave Clark Five crap here. I did buy that one Zep 45 though, because it was the only place to get that tune.

Your problem is that you probably rarely separate the tunes on an album? I always did. I had a couple of Teac reel to reels I spent hours recording music for. One for the house, the other adapted for the trunk of my car. Tunes of different styles always sound better when matched up with similar, and only two bands were really good at this in my opinion. Floyd, and Kansas. Everybody else jumped styles in the middle of their albums.
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« Reply #947 on: Mar 26th, 2012, 10:41pm »

on Mar 26th, 2012, 5:18pm, icepick wrote:
That one I would have never gotten. Wasn't that big of a fan. The only reason I know a lot about certain artists, was because of my instrument. Some people, like Lord or Hensley for example, you had to study a bit if you wanted to know how they developed their sound. Most of the people you like were straightforward and easy to figure. Sorry, but that's how the ball bounces. Perhaps the reason there are so few keyboard players today is because they take so long to master? Just a thought.

Never was much of one for 45s, even though I'm plenty old enough to have bought them. And pocket discs. Remember those bendable buddies? Albums back then sucked for the most part, so I got picky about music early on. No Dusty Springfield or Dave Clark Five crap here. I did buy that one Zep 45 though, because it was the only place to get that tune.

Your problem is that you probably rarely separate the tunes on an album? I always did. I had a couple of Teac reel to reels I spent hours recording music for. One for the house, the other adapted for the trunk of my car. Tunes of different styles always sound better when matched up with similar, and only two bands were really good at this in my opinion. Floyd, and Kansas. Everybody else jumped styles in the middle of their albums.


I loved Spooky Tooth . IMO their 2nd lp is one of the best and most interesting heavy rock bands at that time but they just never lived up to their potential.
I always liked lp's that flowed which is why i liked prog bands. IMO most prog bands linked their songs well together and were not all over the place like basic rock bands that focused on song tracks.

Straightforward and easy to follow..? I have no idea what you mean here since those I liked were into complex music with prog. IMO the hard rock bands were simplistic though I liked many of them also.


One of my favorite later songs by Genesis showing Tony Banks fine keyboard work.

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« Reply #948 on: Mar 26th, 2012, 10:48pm »

Had to post this also...perhaps my favorite Genesis track ever.....it simply doesn't get any better than this imo. Epic.


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« Reply #949 on: Mar 27th, 2012, 07:10am »

Not many remember that Genesis Wu.

Yes, straightforward and easy to figure. Fancy solos are cool, but it really isn't that hard to get your fingers rolling like that once you are practiced at it.

That said, I am forced to admit that if I tried to do that now after all these years? You would find me at the local ER, having my fingers untied. grin

Easy to figure and follow doesn't mean easy to do.

But certain techniques which you seem to think are simple? In reality they are nearly impossible to figure out, and very difficult to pull off. Keyboards are much different from guitars. I guess you would have to do it to know what I mean. And I haven't done it in so many years I have no room to talk anyway. It's not like riding a bike. Staying in practice is an absolute must.

I have heard that Sax players have the same problem though. Simple sounding stuff can be the toughest, and staying in practice is required just to get the thing to make a sound. I love the sound of a well played Sax.

Spooky Tooth? No, they weren't around long enough to do their definitive piece. I wonder why? The old creative differences? It's very easy to get to odds with members of your band. Musicians are funny this way. We get an idea of how we want something to sound. Including the other guy's instrument. Often not good for friendships ............
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« Reply #950 on: Mar 27th, 2012, 08:55am »

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« Reply #951 on: Mar 27th, 2012, 10:27am »

on Mar 27th, 2012, 07:10am, icepick wrote:
Not many remember that Genesis Wu.

Yes, straightforward and easy to figure. Fancy solos are cool, but it really isn't that hard to get your fingers rolling like that once you are practiced at it.

That said, I am forced to admit that if I tried to do that now after all these years? You would find me at the local ER, having my fingers untied. grin

Easy to figure and follow doesn't mean easy to do.

But certain techniques which you seem to think are simple? In reality they are nearly impossible to figure out, and very difficult to pull off. Keyboards are much different from guitars. I guess you would have to do it to know what I mean. And I haven't done it in so many years I have no room to talk anyway. It's not like riding a bike. Staying in practice is an absolute must.

I have heard that Sax players have the same problem though. Simple sounding stuff can be the toughest, and staying in practice is required just to get the thing to make a sound. I love the sound of a well played Sax.

Spooky Tooth? No, they weren't around long enough to do their definitive piece. I wonder why? The old creative differences? It's very easy to get to odds with members of your band. Musicians are funny this way. We get an idea of how we want something to sound. Including the other guy's instrument. Often not good for friendships ............


There's nothing starightforward and easy about most prog rock ....still don't know what you are referring to. I assume you must be referring to classic hard rock bands and not symphonic and eclectic prog.
The 3 chord rock bands, which are most of them, are indeed straightforward. That doesn't mean they didn't have great players but the songs/structures were very simplistic. Give me a band like the Stones, The Who, Zep, and I can ususally figure out their chords and basic song on rhythm guitar. With bands like Genesis, Yes and Crimson...I usually can't get their chord structures.

Is that what you mean?
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« Reply #952 on: Mar 27th, 2012, 2:53pm »

The very late 60s through to the 70s prog rock was a defining era as indeed HR/HM of the 70s. There will never be another decade like it, prog rock has developed again over recent years but I really haven`t heard that much of it and to be honest what little I have heard doesen`t grab me.
For myself the magic isn`t there, Marillion back in the 80s weren`t bad but at the end of the day it was a Genesis sounding band with Fish another Gabriel on vocals. Dream Theatre are supposed to be a good band but I can`t understand why they have issued so many albums in tribute to their hero`s of the 70s prog bands etc. PowerKnight wink
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« Reply #953 on: Mar 27th, 2012, 3:31pm »

on Mar 27th, 2012, 2:53pm, PowerKnight wrote:
The very late 60s through to the 70s prog rock was a defining era as indeed HR/HM of the 70s. There will never be another decade like it, prog rock has developed again over recent years but I really haven`t heard that much of it and to be honest what little I have heard doesen`t grab me.
For myself the magic isn`t there, Marillion back in the 80s weren`t bad but at the end of the day it was a Genesis sounding band with Fish another Gabriel on vocals. Dream Theatre are supposed to be a good band but I can`t understand why they have issued so many albums in tribute to their hero`s of the 70s prog bands etc. PowerKnight wink


I agree about Marillion...their early material is ok but the later stuff is not even that proggy imo.
I never really liked Dream Theater that much and I tried to get into them over the years. Something missing there for me but they are very good musicians .
While I agree that the best prog was from 1969-1980, there have been a number of really good neo-prog bands over the last 30 years. But I'm a progger and collect it so I'm biased toward that type of music to begin with. I also like fusion and jazzy prog so I collect those too.
One of my current favorites though they have been around for over 25 years...very solid prog with excellent musicians and a lot of soul/emotion to their music.


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« Reply #954 on: Mar 27th, 2012, 3:56pm »

I know you dig deeper and delve into the prog rock genre much more than I do, but it can get a little to abstract for my likeing and the jazzy fusion stuff isn`t quite my cup of tea.
I have always gone for the in my opinion progressive rock legends as it`s much more direct in what progressive rock stood for, if that makes any sense to you drwu123!
Much of that underground style which I think is around today with some modern prog style bands is a little looser for my taste?
Floyd, ELP, Yes, Genesis, had distinctive sound along with a few others although I really like The Moody Blues angle, progressive rock, metal is another angle I really like.
Rush were a prime example of this in the 70s, Queensryche explored this and I really like their slant, Operation Mindcrime is their magnum opus but their recent material has gone off the boil.
Many HR/HM bands were in actual fact progressive rock, metal, mostly the the early 70s before many of them had a breakthrough.
I despised the 80s commercial edge that many of these bands decided to pursue, the Scorpions after 1980 for example played this Bon Jovi type garbage which wasn`t really their style, before this they were superb.
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« Reply #955 on: Mar 27th, 2012, 5:22pm »

on Mar 27th, 2012, 10:27am, drwu23 wrote:
There's nothing starightforward and easy about most prog rock ....still don't know what you are referring to. I assume you must be referring to classic hard rock bands and not symphonic and eclectic prog.
The 3 chord rock bands, which are most of them, are indeed straightforward. That doesn't mean they didn't have great players but the songs/structures were very simplistic. Give me a band like the Stones, The Who, Zep, and I can ususally figure out their chords and basic song on rhythm guitar. With bands like Genesis, Yes and Crimson...I usually can't get their chord structures.

Is that what you mean?


Somewhat, but all the material you mention is pretty straightforward. No, I was not referring to the AC/DC variety of simple structure bands. Those are the third tier you're thinking of that turned up in the later 70s isn't it?

Remember that I'm thinking keyboard though. And I'm speaking of the ones with the 'clean' sound. Organs are tough to distort, and pianos basically don't do it at all. As far as the Moog goes? How many artists use the synthesizer as strictly its own instrument? I think we've mentioned the bulk of them here. It seems the synth has developed a different appeal, and started moving away from the realm of being this type of instrument. By the way, I hate the synthesize everything as a one man band sound. Rock lost its edge there in my opinion.

It's good to hear you mention chord structures. But even a three chord pattern can be tough when distorting the old tone wheel organs. And the totally electronic version has an extremely inferior sound in my opinion. Sound is an analog entity, not digital. We've gotten carried away with computers. How long before we dump the artist entirely?
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on Mar 27th, 2012, 5:22pm, icepick wrote:
Somewhat, but all the material you mention is pretty straightforward. No, I was not referring to the AC/DC variety of simple structure bands. Those are the third tier you're thinking of that turned up in the later 70s isn't it?

Remember that I'm thinking keyboard though. And I'm speaking of the ones with the 'clean' sound. Organs are tough to distort, and pianos basically don't do it at all. As far as the Moog goes? How many artists use the synthesizer as strictly its own instrument? I think we've mentioned the bulk of them here. It seems the synth has developed a different appeal, and started moving away from the realm of being this type of instrument. By the way, I hate the synthesize everything as a one man band sound. Rock lost its edge there in my opinion.

It's good to hear you mention chord structures. But even a three chord pattern can be tough when distorting the old tone wheel organs. And the totally electronic version has an extremely inferior sound in my opinion. Sound is an analog entity, not digital. We've gotten carried away with computers. How long before we dump the artist entirely?


The only thing more complex than prog rock is some jazz and classical.
You seem to be referring to distorted organ sounds but I'm not sure where complexity in music comes in there.
I'm referring to the actual musical piece itself.
I was referring to all basic rock/pop ...it's musically the simplest type. What individual musicians were doing to distort their instrument was not what I was talking about.
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« Reply #957 on: Mar 27th, 2012, 11:12pm »

on Mar 27th, 2012, 3:56pm, PowerKnight wrote:
I know you dig deeper and delve into the prog rock genre much more than I do, but it can get a little to abstract for my likeing and the jazzy fusion stuff isn`t quite my cup of tea.
I have always gone for the in my opinion progressive rock legends as it`s much more direct in what progressive rock stood for, if that makes any sense to you drwu123!
Much of that underground style which I think is around today with some modern prog style bands is a little looser for my taste?
Floyd, ELP, Yes, Genesis, had distinctive sound along with a few others although I really like The Moody Blues angle, progressive rock, metal is another angle I really like.
Rush were a prime example of this in the 70s, Queensryche explored this and I really like their slant, Operation Mindcrime is their magnum opus but their recent material has gone off the boil.
Many HR/HM bands were in actual fact progressive rock, metal, mostly the the early 70s before many of them had a breakthrough.
I despised the 80s commercial edge that many of these bands decided to pursue, the Scorpions after 1980 for example played this Bon Jovi type garbage which wasn`t really their style, before this they were superb.
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I love the progresive rock legends which after all is where I started with this sound.
But if one really gets into the prog area they will naturally graviate to other bands. It has become a hobby for me and many of the bands I collect I don't play as often as the classic prog groups but there are a few obscure ones that have become favorites for me .

A band I really like and is in my list of modern favorites... definitely not that mainstream. They have been compared to a modern version of Pink Floyd. Steve Wilson, the song writer, has solo albums that are very progressive at times. He has remastered the King Crimson catalogue for Fripp.
IMO one of the best songwriters working today and a very overlooked group.

Porcupine Tree- 'Even less'




*Another one by them....dedicated to icepick...the lyrics say it all.*
..nice guitar part in both songs...he's very tasty and compact in his leads...not a note wasted.


Hear the sound of music
Drifting in the aisles
Elevator prozac
Stretching on for miles

The music of the future
Will not entertain
It's only meant to repress
And neutralise your brain

Soul gets squeezed out
Edges get blunt
Demographic
Gives what you want

One of the wonders of the world is going down
It's going down I know
It's one of the blunders of the world that no-one cares
No-one cares enough

Now the sound of music
Comes in silver pills
Engineered to suit you
Building cheaper thrills

The music of rebellion
Makes you wanna rage
But it's made by millionaires
Who are nearly twice your age

Soul gets squeezed out
Edges get blunt
Demographic
Gives what you want

One of the wonders of the world is going down
It's going down I know
It's one of the blunders of the world that no-one cares
No-one cares enough
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« Reply #958 on: Mar 27th, 2012, 11:26pm »

BTW...the tracks are from the cd 'Stupid Dream' and 'In Absentia'.....highly recommended to all fans of quality music.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porcupine_tree

This is a live track of Dark Matter..one of my favorites by them...doesn't get any better than this as far as modern rock goes....imho... superb guitar solo.,,again not a note wasted. Gives me chills..saw them do this about 10 years ago. Wilson's melodies are simply heartbreaking.

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« Reply #959 on: Mar 29th, 2012, 2:42pm »

Andy Williams...The Impossible Dream...this is lounge at it`s finest, inspirational and the optimism of the 60s and 70s...sheer bliss. PowerKnight wink
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