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« Reply #300 on: Oct 27th, 2015, 07:05am »

jm57,

You appear to be mistaking a general observation for a specific request aimed at yourself.

My point was that all we are getting are stories, many of which lack foundation. Much of it is hearsay.

I was referring to the general lack of specific reports available in the general media.
You must agree that papers published in some erudite journal such as Nature will not be seen by the vast majority of people. And it is the vast majority who need to be made aware of any real problem, not a few scientists or academics.

You wrote in 'stuff and nonsense'...

..I've friends in Oregon,Washington,Southern Cali,
All of them have been warned of HIGH radiation levels in ALL sealife off the Western Coast
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So,with this NOT being presented on MSM,..

I do not know who the friends you refer to are. So it will be rather difficult to contact them and seek conformation of you claims.

In such a situation I see no problem with asking you to explain where they got there information. Who warned them.
If it was via a searchable news source then I will gladly carry out further searching.

So why don't you stop trying to be obstructive and just play along with me on this one ?

Having said that, a quick look at your last posts would indicate that cynicism and snide remarks seem to be your modus operandi.

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« Reply #301 on: Oct 27th, 2015, 07:22am »

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... Hence we have to look to others to do a lot of the grunt work and rely on their conclusions. Is that research?..

It is indeed.

In fact it is the way that most research is carried out.

Someone does an experiment or comes up with a theory and the rest study it and offer suggestions.

Imagine having to build your own collider just to be able to study nuclear physics.

And yes, maybe food for a new thread.

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« Reply #302 on: Oct 27th, 2015, 8:24pm »

on Oct 27th, 2015, 07:22am, INT21 wrote:
And yes, maybe food for a new thread.

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New thread started so as not to pollute or contaminate this one. grin

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« Reply #303 on: Oct 27th, 2015, 10:58pm »

Contamination has already been done.








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Scientists: Earth Endangered by New Strain of Fact-Resistant Humans

"MINNEAPOLIS (The Borowitz Report) – Scientists have discovered a powerful new strain of fact-resistant humans who are threatening the ability of Earth to sustain life, a sobering new study reports."

"The research, conducted by the University of Minnesota, identifies a virulent strain of humans who are virtually immune to any form of verifiable knowledge, leaving scientists at a loss as to how to combat them."

http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/scientists-earth-endangered-by-new-strain-of-fact-resistant-humans

“These humans appear to have all the faculties necessary to receive and process information,” Davis Logsdon, one of the scientists who contributed to the study, said. “And yet, somehow, they have developed defenses that, for all intents and purposes, have rendered those faculties totally inactive.”

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"While reaffirming the gloomy assessments of the study, Logsdon held out hope that the threat of fact-resistant humans could be mitigated in the future. “Our research is very preliminary, but it’s possible that they will become more receptive to facts once they are in an environment without food, water, or oxygen,” he said."

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« Reply #305 on: Nov 28th, 2015, 09:54am »

Russia offers to help Japan shut down Fukushima reactors

https://www.rt.com/business/323544-fukushima-russia-japan-nuclear/

"Russia’s state nuclear energy company Rosatom is ready to help Japan shut down the reactors at the Fukushima nuclear power plant. A huge earthquake and a resulting tsunami hit the plant in March 2011, causing three nuclear meltdowns and a massive radiation leak.

Japan has been struggling in its cleanup effort in the aftermath of the nuclear accident. As of March 2015, about 600,000 tons of contaminated water was contained within tanks at the site, with the cleanup estimated to take up to 40 years."

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337 whales wash ashore on Chilean coast in one of the largest mass strandings ever

Scientists counted 305 bodies and 32 skeletons

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"Although human intervention has been ruled out, the cause behind the whales’ death still remains unknown. National Geographic reported previously that the Chilean government had launched an investigation because whales are protected species."

"Carolina Simon Gutstein, a palaeontologist at the University of Chile, said: “They probably died at sea, we don’t know exactly where, but they didn’t just die by stranding.” She added that sei whales were not usually seen gathering in large groups."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/337-whales-wash-up-on-chilean-coast-in-one-of-the-largest-mass-strandings-ever-a6756746.html#gallery

>>> Scientists say the discovery of the 337 beached whales is one of the biggest strandings ever recorded. <<<

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« Reply #307 on: Dec 3rd, 2015, 10:15pm »

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We seem to be exhibiting the Boiling Frog Syndrome

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/radiation-japan-nuclear-disaster-spreads-off-u-shores-222502042.html
PORTLAND, Ore. (Reuters) - Radiation from Japan's 2011 nuclear disaster has spread off North American shores and contamination is increasing at previously identified sites, although levels are still too low to threaten human or ocean life, scientists said on Thursday.

Tests of hundreds of samples of Pacific Ocean water confirmed that Japan's Fukushima nuclear power plant continues to leak radioactive isotopes more than four years after its meltdown, said Ken Buesseler, marine radiochemist with the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution.

Trace amounts of cesium-134 have been detected within several hundred miles (km) of the Oregon, Washington and California coasts in recent months, as well as offshore from Canada's Vancouver Island.

Another isotope, cesium-137, a radioactive legacy of nuclear weapons tests conducted from the 1950s through the 1970s, was found at low levels in nearly every seawater sample tested by Woods Hole, a nonprofit research institution.

"Despite the fact that the levels of contamination off our shores remain well below government-established safety limits for human health or to marine life, the changing values underscore the need to more closely monitor contamination levels across the Pacific," Buesseler said in an email.

In March 2011, a massive earthquake triggered a tsunami that struck the Fukushima nuclear plant, 130 miles (209 km) northeast of Tokyo, causing triple nuclear meltdowns and forcing more than 160,000 residents to flee from nearby towns. It was the world's worst nuclear disaster since Chernobyl in 1986.

Last year, Woods Hole reported detectable radiation from about 100 miles (160 km) off the coast of northern California, and in April radiation was found off Canada's shores.

The latest readings measured the highest radiation levels outside Japanese waters to date some 1,600 miles (2,574 km) west of San Francisco.

The figures also confirm that the spread of radiation to North American waters is not isolated to a handful of locations, but can be detected along a stretch of more than 1,000 miles (1,600 km) offshore.
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« Reply #308 on: Dec 3rd, 2015, 10:43pm »

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"We seem to be exhibiting the Boiling Frog Syndrome"

UNCANNY ~ HAD THAT SAME THOUGHT TODAY ~ OF COURSE I DON'T BELIEVE IN COINCIDENCE...

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"Tests of hundreds of samples of Pacific Ocean water confirmed that Japan's Fukushima nuclear power plant continues to leak radioactive isotopes more than four years after its meltdown, said Ken Buesseler, marine radiochemist with the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution."

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ZETAR WROTE: >>> Oct 24th, 2013, 12:00pm <<<

THERE ARE FEW GLOBAL FRIENDS WHOM HAVE RECOGNIZED THE CRITICAL MASS WITH THE FUKUSHIMA DISASTER.
TEPCO HAS BEEN IN COMPLETE DENIAL...NOT ONLY FOR THEMSELVES/THEIR FELLOW JAPANESE CITIZENS (WHOM I ADORE) AND HAVE BEEN LIKE A DEER IN THE HEADLIGHTS TO THE REST OF THE WORLD.
I WENT THROUGH KATRINA...DEEP WATER HORIZON...ALONG WITH OTHERS OF SIMILAR DISASTERS...SANDY...NEED I SAY MORE...
BUT COLLECTIVELY...YES COLLECTIVELY...THESE ARE LIKE A LEAKING FAUCET IN THE KITCHEN COMPARED TO UNLIMITED/UNCONTROLLED RADIATION GUSHING EACH AND EVERY DAY TO THE PACIFIC OCEAN...WHICH THROUGH OCEANIC CURRENTS...ATMOSPHERIC CONDITIONS TARGETS THE U.S. WEST COAST.
I KNOW THERE SHOULD BE NO ONE WHOM DOES NOT HAVE THAT IMAGE OF DEEP WATERS FAILED CONTAINMENT CAP...BILLOWING RAW OIL INTO THE CARIBBEAN BASIN.
IF A LEADER IN PRECARIOUS TURBULENT TIMES NEED SOMETHING HE/SHE CARED ABOUT...HIS/HER CHILDREN'S FUTURE/AND WANTED TO GALVANIZE WORLD OPINION...STOPPING THIS BLATANT.DISREGARD FOR SEA LIFE...HUMAN LIFE...COULD/SHOULD BE TOP PRIORITY.
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« Reply #309 on: Dec 11th, 2015, 1:23pm »

Truth Containment Vessels appear to be leaking ..massive amount of Lethal truth leaking and released into the air!


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-12-10/declassified-us-government-report-%E2%80%9C100-total-spent-fuel-was-released-atmosphere-unit
Declassified U.S. Government Report on Fukushima: “100% of The Total Spent Fuel Was Released to the Atmosphere from Unit 4”


We reported in 2011 that the International Atomic Energy Commission knew within weeks that Fukushima had melted down … but failed and refused to tell the public.

The same year, we reported in 2011 that the U.S. knew within days of the Fukushima accident that Fukushima had melted down … but failed to tell the public.

We noted in 2012:






The fuel pools and rods at Fukushima appear to have “boiled”, caught fire and/or exploded soon after the earthquake knocked out power systems. See this, this, this, this and this.

Now, a declassified report written by the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission on March 18, 2011 – one week after the tidal wave hit Fukushima – states:






The source term provided to NARAC was: (1) 25% of the total fuel in unit 2 released to the atmosphere, (2) 50% of the total spent fuel from unit 3 was released to the atmosphere, and (3) 100% of the total spent fuel was released to the atmosphere from unit 4.
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NARAC is the the U.S. National Atmospheric Release Advisory Center, located at the University of California’s Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory. NARAC “provides tools and services that map the probable spread of hazardous material accidentally or intentionally released into the atmosphere“.

The fuel pools at Units 3 and 4 contained enormous amounts of radiation.

For example, there was “more cesium in that [Unit 4] fuel pool than in all 800 nuclear bombs exploded above ground.”
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« Reply #310 on: Dec 11th, 2015, 1:32pm »

Mutations are an important feature of evolution, non-adapatables (a new term coined by me), fall by the wayside.

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« Reply #311 on: Dec 11th, 2015, 6:29pm »

Silence,The best a taxpayer can buy
Until it's too late.
I pity my children and grandchildren.
MSM in the USA is so lame and redirective.
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« Reply #312 on: Dec 18th, 2015, 11:48am »

YES INDEED JM57 ~ GENERATIONS WHICH FOLLOW US WILL INDEED BE SUBJECTED TO ~ WHO/WHOM KNOWS WHAT...

Former Official: Fukushima is “unstoppable”… Huge amounts of radiation are pouring out, “very serious” for Pacific Ocean — Journalists withholding shocking information — Plant Chief: “This is something that has never been experienced”… We must invent new science for unprecedented catastrophe

http://enenews.com/former-japan-official-fukushima-unstoppable-situation-pacific-ocean-very-serious-huge-amounts-radiation-pouring-everyday-japan-harming-global-environment-plant-chief-never-experienced-new-science-b

Fukushima decommission chief [Naohiro Masuda] warns with surprising candor: Nothing can be promised… not even robots have been able to enter the main fuel-debris areas so far… “This is something that has never been experienced. A textbook doesn’t exist for something like this,” Masuda told The Associated Press… “Before, it was a war zone,” Masuda said quietly… [E]ven the most optimistic projections estimate the work will take about half a century. Masuda said without hesitation that more delays could be in order. >>> No one knows exactly where the melted nuclear debris is sitting in the reactors, let alone how exactly the debris might be taken out… <<<

>>> New science will have to be invented for the plant to be cleaned up <<<

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THE 'CULT' OF GLOBAL WARMING...HMMM...WAIT...CLIMATE CHANGE...WELL...EVER HOW THEY BRAND IT ~ IT SEEMS THERE'S AN IMMEDIATE AND DIRECT EFFECT/AFFECT ON THE METRICS OF ENVIRONMENTAL SAFETY WHICH HAS BEEN SILENCED!!!

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WORTHY OF REPETITION >>> New science will have to be invented for the plant to be cleaned up <<<

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SEEM TO BE...

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HOPEFULLY THE SMOKE WILL CLEAR FOR THOSE WHOM HAVE A SELF-IMPOSED DENIAL...

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« Reply #313 on: Dec 23rd, 2015, 10:20pm »

Major Japan Newspaper: Mutations in nearly every fir tree by Fukushima plant — Insects with missing legs or crooked — Abnormalities also found in monkeys, fish and frogs

http://enenews.com/major-japan-newspaper-mutations-every-fir-tree-fukushima-plant-insects-missing-crooked-legs-abnormalities-found-monkeys-carp-frogs

"Dec 22, 2015 (emphasis added): More than 90 percent of the fir trees in forests close to the site of Japan’s 2011 nuclear disaster are showing signs of abnormality, and plant lice specimens collected in a town more than 30 kilometers from the crippled facility are missing legs or crooked. But it remains unclear whether the mutations in plants and animals are definitively connected to the disaster at the Fukushima No. 1 nuclear power plant. All that scientists in Japan are prepared to say is they are trying to figure out the effects of radioactive cesium caused by the release of huge amounts of radioactive materials from the triple meltdown at the Fukushima plant… Scientists are seeking… signs of mutation in plants and animals in areas close to the stricken nuclear plant… Scientists have reported on mutations and abnormalities among species varying from fir trees and plant lice to Japanese monkeys, carp and frogs. The National Institute of Radiological Sciences (NIRS), a government-affiliated entity, said in late August that the trunks of fir trees are not growing vertically. Fir trees are among the 44 species that the Environment Ministry asked the NIRS and other research organizations to study in trying to determine the effects of radiation on living creatures. The NIRS reported that the frequency of these mutations corresponds to a rise in natural background radiation. More than 90 percent of fir trees in the town of Okuma, just 3.5 kilometers from the crippled plant, showed signs of abnormal growth… Among other changes reported: the legs of plant lice collected in Kawamata, a town more than 30 km from the plant, were found to be missing or crooked and the white blood cell count of Japanese monkeys was lower in Fukushima, the prefectural capital, which is about 60 km from the plant… There is also a possibility that some animals, even if they exhibited signs of radiation’s effect, may no longer be alive for analysis."

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« Reply #314 on: Dec 24th, 2015, 6:21pm »

Did Nulands cookies just join the fun and lead us to another Meltdown disaster in Ukraine?
should we forward a Tepco Manual from the good folks at Fukushima


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With all the action in Syria, the Ukraine is no longer a subject for discussion in the West. In Russia, where the Ukraine is still a major problem looming on the horizon, and where some 1.5 million Ukrainian refugees are settling in, with no intentions of going back to what's left of the Ukraine, it is still actively discussed. But for the US, and for the EU, it is now yet another major foreign policy embarrassment, and the less said about it the better.

In the meantime, the Ukraine is in full-blown collapse - all five glorious stages of it - setting the stage for a Ukrainian Nightmare Before Christmas, or shortly after.

Phase 1. Financially, the Ukrainian government is in sovereign default as of a couple of days ago. The IMF was forced to break its own rules in order to keep it on life support even though it is clearly a deadbeat. In the process, the IMF stiffed Russia, which happens to be one of its major shareholders; what gives?



Phase 2. Industry and commerce are approaching a standstill and the country is rapidly deindustrializing. Formerly, most of the trade was with Russia; this is now over. The Ukraine does not make anything that the EU might want, except maybe prostitutes. Recently, the Ukraine has been selling off its dirt. This is illegal, but, given what's been happening there, the term “illegal” has become the stuff of comedy.



Phase 3. Politically, the Ukrainian government is a total farce. Much of it has been turned over to fly-by-night foreigners, such as the former Georgian president Saakashvili, who is a wanted criminal in his own country, which has recently stripped him of his citizenship. The parliament is stocked with criminals who bought their seat to gain immunity from prosecution, and who spend their time brawling with each other. Prime Minister Yatsenyuk was recently hauled off the podium by his crotch; how dignified is that? He seemed unfazed. Where are his testicles? Perhaps Victoria Nuland over at the US State Dept. is keeping them in a jar. This sort of action may be fun to watch on Youtube, but the reality is quite sad: those who “run” the Ukraine (if the term still applies) are only interested in one thing: stealing whatever is left.



Phase 4. Ukrainian society (if the term still applies) has been split into a number of warring factions. This was, to some extent, inevitable. What happens if you take bits of Poland, Hungary, Romania and Russia, and stick them together willy-nilly? Well, results may vary; but if you also spend $5 billion US (as the Americans did) turning the Ukrainians against Russia (and, since they are mostly Russian, against themselves), then you get a complete disaster.



Phase 5. Cultural collapse is quite advanced. The Ukraine once had the same world-class educational system as Russia, but since independence they switched to teaching in Ukrainian (a made-up language) using nonexistent textbooks. The kids have been taught a bogus history hallucinated by rabid Ukrainian nationalists. They've been told that Russia is backward and keeping them back, and that they deserve to be happy in the EU. (Just like the Greeks? Yeah...) But now the population has been reduced to levels of poverty not commonly seen outside of Africa, and young people are fleeing, or turning to gangsterism and prostitution, to merely survive. This doesn't make for a happy cultural narrative. What does it mean to be “a Ukrainian” now? Expletives deleted. Sorry I asked.

Now, here's what it all really means. With so much going wrong, the Ukraine has been unable to secure enough natural gas or coal supplies to provide a supply cushion in case of a cold snap this winter. A few weeks of frosty weather will deplete the supply, and then pipes will freeze, rendering much of the urban areas unlivable from then on (because, recall, there is no longer any money, or any industry to speak of, to repair the damage). That seems bad enough, but we aren't quite there yet.

You see, the Ukraine produces over half of its electricity using nuclear power plants. 19 nuclear reactors are in operation, with 2 more supposedly under construction. And this is in a country whose economy is in free-fall and is set to approach that of Mali or Burundi! The nuclear fuel for these reactors was being supplied by Russia. An effort to replace the Russian supplier with Westinghouse failed because of quality issues leading to an accident. What is a bankrupt Ukraine, which just stiffed Russia on billions of sovereign debt, going to do when the time comes to refuel those 19 reactors? Good question!

But an even better question is, Will they even make it that far? You see, it has become known that these nuclear installations have been skimping on preventive maintenance, due to lack of funds. Now, you are probably already aware of this, but let me spell it out just in case: a nuclear reactor is not one of those things that you run until it breaks, and then call a mechanic once it does. It's not a “if it ain't broke, I can't fix it” sort of scenario. It's more of a “you missed a tune-up so I ain't going near it” scenario. And the way to keep it from breaking is to replace all the bits that are listed on the replacement schedule no later than the dates indicated on that schedule. It's either that or the thing goes “Ka-boom!” and everyone's hair falls out.

How close is Ukraine to a major nuclear accident? Well, it turns out, very close: just recently one was narrowly avoided when some Ukro-Nazis blew up electric transmission lines supplying Crimea, triggering a blackout that lasted many days. The Russians scrambled and ran a transmission line from the Russian mainland, so now Crimea is lit up again. But while that was happening, the Southern Ukrainian, with its 4 energy blocks, lost its connection to the grid, and it was only the very swift, expert actions taken by the staff there that averted a nuclear accident.

I hope that you know this already, but, just in case, let me spell it out again. One of the worst things that can happen to a nuclear reactor is loss of electricity supply. Yes, nuclear power stations make electricity—some of the time—but they must be supplied with electricity all the time to avoid a meltdown. This is what happened at Fukushima Daiichi, which dusted the ground with radionuclides as far as Tokyo and is still leaking radioactive juice into the Pacific.

And so the nightmare scenario for the Ukraine is a simple one. Temperature drops below freezing and stays there for a couple of weeks. Coal and natural gas supplies run down; thermal power plants shut down; the electric grid fails; circulator pumps at the 19 nuclear reactors (which, by the way, probably haven't been overhauled as recently as they should have been) stop pumping; meltdown!

And so, if you want to say a prayer for the Ukraine this holiday season, don't bother because it's well and truly 666d. But do say a prayer for global warming. If this winter stays very, very warm, then the “19 Fukushimas” scenario just may be averted. This is not impossible: we've been seeing one freakishly warm winter after another, and each passing month is setting new records. The future is looking hot—as in very warm. Let us pray that it doesn't also turn out to be hot—as in radioactive.
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