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« Reply #315 on: Jan 16th, 2016, 2:21pm »

on Dec 24th, 2015, 6:21pm, SysConfig wrote:
Did Nulands cookies just join the fun and lead us to another Meltdown disaster in Ukraine?
should we forward a Tepco Manual from the good folks at Fukushima


Submitted by Dmitry Orlov via ClubOrlov.com, (author of The Five Stages Of Collapse)

With all the action in Syria, the Ukraine is no longer a subject for discussion in the West. In Russia, where the Ukraine is still a major problem looming on the horizon, and where some 1.5 million Ukrainian refugees are settling in, with no intentions of going back to what's left of the Ukraine, it is still actively discussed. But for the US, and for the EU, it is now yet another major foreign policy embarrassment, and the less said about it the better.

In the meantime, the Ukraine is in full-blown collapse - all five glorious stages of it - setting the stage for a Ukrainian Nightmare Before Christmas, or shortly after.

Phase 1. Financially, the Ukrainian government is in sovereign default as of a couple of days ago. The IMF was forced to break its own rules in order to keep it on life support even though it is clearly a deadbeat. In the process, the IMF stiffed Russia, which happens to be one of its major shareholders; what gives?



Phase 2. Industry and commerce are approaching a standstill and the country is rapidly deindustrializing. Formerly, most of the trade was with Russia; this is now over. The Ukraine does not make anything that the EU might want, except maybe prostitutes. Recently, the Ukraine has been selling off its dirt. This is illegal, but, given what's been happening there, the term “illegal” has become the stuff of comedy.



Phase 3. Politically, the Ukrainian government is a total farce. Much of it has been turned over to fly-by-night foreigners, such as the former Georgian president Saakashvili, who is a wanted criminal in his own country, which has recently stripped him of his citizenship. The parliament is stocked with criminals who bought their seat to gain immunity from prosecution, and who spend their time brawling with each other. Prime Minister Yatsenyuk was recently hauled off the podium by his crotch; how dignified is that? He seemed unfazed. Where are his testicles? Perhaps Victoria Nuland over at the US State Dept. is keeping them in a jar. This sort of action may be fun to watch on Youtube, but the reality is quite sad: those who “run” the Ukraine (if the term still applies) are only interested in one thing: stealing whatever is left.



Phase 4. Ukrainian society (if the term still applies) has been split into a number of warring factions. This was, to some extent, inevitable. What happens if you take bits of Poland, Hungary, Romania and Russia, and stick them together willy-nilly? Well, results may vary; but if you also spend $5 billion US (as the Americans did) turning the Ukrainians against Russia (and, since they are mostly Russian, against themselves), then you get a complete disaster.



Phase 5. Cultural collapse is quite advanced. The Ukraine once had the same world-class educational system as Russia, but since independence they switched to teaching in Ukrainian (a made-up language) using nonexistent textbooks. The kids have been taught a bogus history hallucinated by rabid Ukrainian nationalists. They've been told that Russia is backward and keeping them back, and that they deserve to be happy in the EU. (Just like the Greeks? Yeah...) But now the population has been reduced to levels of poverty not commonly seen outside of Africa, and young people are fleeing, or turning to gangsterism and prostitution, to merely survive. This doesn't make for a happy cultural narrative. What does it mean to be “a Ukrainian” now? Expletives deleted. Sorry I asked.

Now, here's what it all really means. With so much going wrong, the Ukraine has been unable to secure enough natural gas or coal supplies to provide a supply cushion in case of a cold snap this winter. A few weeks of frosty weather will deplete the supply, and then pipes will freeze, rendering much of the urban areas unlivable from then on (because, recall, there is no longer any money, or any industry to speak of, to repair the damage). That seems bad enough, but we aren't quite there yet.

You see, the Ukraine produces over half of its electricity using nuclear power plants. 19 nuclear reactors are in operation, with 2 more supposedly under construction. And this is in a country whose economy is in free-fall and is set to approach that of Mali or Burundi! The nuclear fuel for these reactors was being supplied by Russia. An effort to replace the Russian supplier with Westinghouse failed because of quality issues leading to an accident. What is a bankrupt Ukraine, which just stiffed Russia on billions of sovereign debt, going to do when the time comes to refuel those 19 reactors? Good question!

But an even better question is, Will they even make it that far? You see, it has become known that these nuclear installations have been skimping on preventive maintenance, due to lack of funds. Now, you are probably already aware of this, but let me spell it out just in case: a nuclear reactor is not one of those things that you run until it breaks, and then call a mechanic once it does. It's not a “if it ain't broke, I can't fix it” sort of scenario. It's more of a “you missed a tune-up so I ain't going near it” scenario. And the way to keep it from breaking is to replace all the bits that are listed on the replacement schedule no later than the dates indicated on that schedule. It's either that or the thing goes “Ka-boom!” and everyone's hair falls out.

How close is Ukraine to a major nuclear accident? Well, it turns out, very close: just recently one was narrowly avoided when some Ukro-Nazis blew up electric transmission lines supplying Crimea, triggering a blackout that lasted many days. The Russians scrambled and ran a transmission line from the Russian mainland, so now Crimea is lit up again. But while that was happening, the Southern Ukrainian, with its 4 energy blocks, lost its connection to the grid, and it was only the very swift, expert actions taken by the staff there that averted a nuclear accident.

I hope that you know this already, but, just in case, let me spell it out again. One of the worst things that can happen to a nuclear reactor is loss of electricity supply. Yes, nuclear power stations make electricity—some of the time—but they must be supplied with electricity all the time to avoid a meltdown. This is what happened at Fukushima Daiichi, which dusted the ground with radionuclides as far as Tokyo and is still leaking radioactive juice into the Pacific.

And so the nightmare scenario for the Ukraine is a simple one. Temperature drops below freezing and stays there for a couple of weeks. Coal and natural gas supplies run down; thermal power plants shut down; the electric grid fails; circulator pumps at the 19 nuclear reactors (which, by the way, probably haven't been overhauled as recently as they should have been) stop pumping; meltdown!

And so, if you want to say a prayer for the Ukraine this holiday season, don't bother because it's well and truly 666d. But do say a prayer for global warming. If this winter stays very, very warm, then the “19 Fukushimas” scenario just may be averted. This is not impossible: we've been seeing one freakishly warm winter after another, and each passing month is setting new records. The future is looking hot—as in very warm. Let us pray that it doesn't also turn out to be hot—as in radioactive.


Ukraine.....the Geordanians have a situation awareness also...

http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/database/index.php?pageid=event_desc&edis_id=UEV-20160111-51636-GEO

Georgia's security agency said Monday it has arrested three men suspected of peddling radioactive cesium, the latest in a series of operations against nuclear smugglers in the ex-Soviet nation. The agency said Monday that the men were arrested in the capital, Tbilisi, while trying to sell an unspecified amount of cesium-137 for $100,000. It didn't say when the arrest was made or give any other details. Cesium-137, a byproduct of nuclear reactors, is used for various medical and industrial purposes. Georgia and some other ex-Soviet nations have seen numerous attempts at contraband trade in radioactive substances. There have been fears that if such materials fall in the hands of extremists, they could be used in a "dirty bomb," a device intended to contaminate large areas using conventional explosives. Georgia has relied on assistance from the U.S. to combat nuclear smuggling. Georgian law enforcement agencies have arrested dozens of suspected traders in radioactive substances over the past several years.

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« Reply #316 on: Jan 19th, 2016, 10:56pm »

NICE WORK CLIFF!

ZETAR WROTE ON >>> Nov 28th, 2013, 6:11pm <<<

WELL..IT'S CLEAR NOW ...AS WHAT I THOUGHT WAS/IS APATHY...IS THAT THE NUKE CARTEL ARE ABSOLUTELY CLUELESS AS TO HOW TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM...BUT...LET'S BUILD FIFTY MORE...THAT'LL SOLVE IT...
JAPAN IS THE EPITOME OF A FIRST WORLD COUNTRY...AND THEY ARE A DEER IN THE HEADLIGHTS ON FUKU...TEPCO FUMBLED
( WHILE I MAINTAIN VIGILANT RESPECT FOR THE JAPANESE PEOPLE AND SOCIETY) THE BALL AND SUCH WILL BE PANDEMONIUM FOR THE WORLD...DOMO ARIGATO...
PROFESSOR SAYS..."FUKUSHIMA IS ABSOLUTELY HORRIFYING"
SEA LIFE AT THE GREATEST DEPTHS ARE RUNNING FROM THE CHANGE IN THEIR ENVIRONMENT...THEY ( FOR THOSE THEYERS-ALL SEA LIFE) ARE SIGNALING TO THOSE CAPABLE OF CONNECTING

IT WOULD BE PRUDENT TO PONDER A COUPLE OF DECADES FROM NOW AND CONDISDER THE MUTATIONS ON THE WAY!!!

"A mountain lion with a second set of teeth growing out of its head has been killed in Idaho. Radiation from the Fukushima nuclear disaster causing mutations in USA!"

"The big cat was killed by an unidentified hunter last week in Weston, Idaho who then reported the animal's bizarre deformity to the authorities, Idaho State Journal reports."

"Idaho conservation officers, who were sent a photograph of the kill, were shocked to find the year-old lion had a separate set of teeth growing out the left side of its forehead. This lion was born several years AFTER Fukushima radiation began arriving in the USA from Japan."

https://www.superstation95.com/index.php/world/748

Experts have not been able to agree on the cause of the unusual mutation.

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« Reply #317 on: Jan 20th, 2016, 07:03am »

Other explanations need consideration before jumping to this conclusion. The mountain lion mutation story has been making the rounds lately. That the condition was caused by radiation from Fukushima is unproven and seems primarily based on the logic that radiation can cause mutations (true), this animal has a mutation (true), Fukushima released radiation (true) therefore this mutation was caused by radiation from Fukushima. (not necessarily true)

An alternate take on some of these matters:

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2014/02/debunking-fukushima-radiation-myths-2014221153139302317.html

"In today's world of blogs and Wikipedia, being first is critical - in fact, we often find that you can typically have almost any question answered by a person claiming to be an authority within as little as four minutes of an event."

Unfortunately, countering misinformation after the fact is a daunting and impossible task nowadays. Doing so especially with all the reasons something may be wrong often falls victim to the Overkill Backfire Effect that reinforces the unfounded belief.
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« Reply #318 on: Jan 20th, 2016, 08:20am »

GHOST,

TO WIT:

"Other explanations need consideration before jumping to this conclusion."

I WILL BE THE FIRST TO ADMIT THAT >>> MUTATIONS <<< ARE A NATURAL PART OF EVOLUTION. HAVING SAID THE AFOREMENTIONED...ONE WOULD BE NAIVE TO NOT CONSIDER FUKUSHIMA IN LIEU OF THE DEVASTAION OF SEA LIFE IN THE PACIFIC OCEAN AND THE UNUSUALLY HIGH/RARE OBSERVATIONS OF SEA LIFE DYING (NOT EXCLUSIVE TO ONE PARTICULAR SPECIES) OFF ALONG THE WEST COAST...IMHO...MOREOVER, TO NOT FACTOR THE IMPLICATIONS OF SUCH BIO-ACCUMULATION OF RADIOLOGICAL PARTICULATE FROM THE CONTINUOUS GUSHING OF FUKUSHIMA...

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« Reply #319 on: Jan 20th, 2016, 08:36am »

ZETAR, NAIVE IS SUCH A HARSH WORD.

BEING NAIVE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ARGUMENT OR BASIS WHY THIS STORY PRESENTS NO REAL EVIDENCE IT WAS CAUSED BY RADIATION. THOSE BELIEVING IT BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE IT WOULD BE NAIVE NOT TO BELIEVE OTHERWISE WOULD PERHAPS BE GUILTY OF ........... BEING NAIVE. grin
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« Reply #320 on: Jan 20th, 2016, 10:40am »

Some people call me ignorant. Some people call me apathetic. All I have to say is I don’t know and I don’t care.


All joking aside and as a word of caution, the only thing worse than doing nothing is overreacting. This seem especially true with it comes to the environment… man has done more damage to the environment by “management via overreaction” (with the best of intentions). Do not misunderstand what I am saying; I am not saying don’t give a hoot and pollute… I believe in "give a hoot and don’t pollute." But, there have been many cases where the belief of doing something is better than doing nothing… and that has led to disastrous results (because, people who belief this statement are generally being led by ignorance and arrogance... a dangerous combination).



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« Reply #321 on: Jan 20th, 2016, 12:31pm »

on Jan 19th, 2016, 10:56pm, ZETAR wrote:
"Idaho conservation officers, who were sent a photograph of the kill, were shocked to find the year-old lion had a separate set of teeth growing out the left side of its forehead. This lion was born several years AFTER Fukushima radiation began arriving in the USA from Japan."

https://www.superstation95.com/index.php/world/748

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Has "fetus in fetu" been ruled out for this puma... or is it actually a mutation?



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« Reply #322 on: Feb 2nd, 2016, 11:15am »

Hmmm..... Wonder what else might be messing with their food supplyhuh




Massive Bird Die-Off Puzzles Alaskan Scientists


by Elizabeth Newbern, Staff Writer
February 01, 2016 04:16pm ET

Thousands of dead seabirds have washed up on Alaskan shores over the past nine months. And while a dead bird washing ashore is a fairly common occurrence, these large numbers are leaving scientists concerned and confused.

Nearly 8,000 common murres (Uria aalge) were found along the shores of Whittier, Alaska, in early January. Over the New Year's holiday, Alaska experienced four days of gale-force winds from the southeast that resulted in dead birds washing ashore, said Robb Kaler, a wildlife biologist for the Alaska branch of the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (USFWS).

Scientists have known for some time that the key to surviving strong storm winds is having an energy reserve, according to an expert at Tufts University, and Kaler and his colleagues think that the common murres were not finding enough food this season, which may be why so many didn't make it through the storm.

Read more: http://www.livescience.com/53557-massive-bird-die-off-puzzles-scientists.html


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« Reply #323 on: Feb 2nd, 2016, 12:59pm »

SWAMP,

TO WIT:

"Massive Bird Die-Off Puzzles Alaskan Scientists"

BUT THEN AGAIN ~ DIE-OFFS SEEM TO CROSS A NUMBER OF SPECIES ~ WHICH INDEED SHOULD BE CONCERNING TO PRUDENT THINKERS...

CANARY IN THE COAL MINE SYNDROME...

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« Reply #324 on: Feb 6th, 2016, 10:03pm »

I wonder if frozen Methane deposits are percolating upwards..Is our atmosphere changing..like those planets out there with methane and other hydrocarbon as the principal components..That Methane geyser in LA shows no sign of letting up..and increased radioactive radon is showing its arse now..



The Japanese are in a Death Spiral and we are part of it..

http://news.yahoo.com/japans-sakurajima-volcano-not-far-nuclear-plant-erupts-103358585--finance.html;_ylt=A86.J7xQrrZWYXgAs4InnIlQ;_ylu=X3oDMTByNWU4cGh1BGNvbG8DZ3ExBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzYw--


Increasingly .it seems the system that sustains is changing rapidly..
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-02-06/65000-spike-reported-radioactivity-after-tritium-leaks-indian-point-nuclear-power-pl
65,000% Spike In Reported Radioactivity After Tritium Leaks At Indian Point Nuclear Power Plant
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Two years after being fined for falsifying safety records, nine months after a transformer exploded at the Indian Point Nuclear Reactor just 37 miles from midtown Manhattan, and two months after Entergy - the plant's operator - shut down the Unit 2 reactor after a major power outage cut power to several control rods (when the company assured that no radioactivity was released into the environment), this afternoon NY Governor Andrew Cuomo said he learned that "radioactive tritium-contaminated water" had leaked into the groundwater at the nuclear facility in Westchester County.
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« Reply #325 on: Feb 13th, 2016, 5:55pm »

http://nukeprofessional.blogspot.com/2016/02/a-scientific-basis-for-destruction-of.html

Int21 you should take a look at this..I took Radio-Bio and absorption rates in the 70s and this looks legit if not worth a look..
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« Reply #326 on: Feb 13th, 2016, 6:06pm »

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I'll check it out tomorrow. Past my bedtime.

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« Reply #327 on: Feb 13th, 2016, 7:30pm »

on Feb 13th, 2016, 5:55pm, SysConfig wrote:
http://nukeprofessional.blogspot.com/2016/02/a-scientific-basis-for-destruction-of.html

Int21 you should take a look at this..I took Radio-Bio and absorption rates in the 70s and this looks legit if not worth a look..





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« Reply #328 on: Feb 14th, 2016, 07:26am »

Sys,

That is an interesting item.

It doesn't tell us very much. But it does highlight the lack of basic data that is available to the general public, and that data is often read differently by different scientists.
The problem becomes 'who is reading ti correctly ?'

The people in the clip do not specify the type of radiation,

Alpha, beta or Gamma. Or something else.

The mention of the building suggests that the radiation is coming from the steel frame and is due to Cobalt.

This would also indicate that all workers involved with the production of the steel, from the point that Cobalt was added, would also be at susceptible to this form of radiation.
We just don't have enough info.

When I was a child I had to go for weekly Ultra Violet treatment due to a skin problem, Lack of Sunlight.

We all sat around a big UV lamp for half an hour with our eye protection glasses on. That was it.

I don't know what level the radiation was. But these days we are told not to stay out in the Sun for longer than a few minutes.

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« Reply #329 on: Feb 14th, 2016, 11:46am »

on Feb 13th, 2016, 7:30pm, MOKSHA wrote:


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That woman is bat shit crazy.......I think she's the confused one.

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