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« Reply #16 on: Aug 28th, 2016, 1:08pm »

on Aug 27th, 2016, 3:03pm, skizicks wrote:
The western world just cannot understand the force of religion in the rest of the world.
The west with its secular society and governments see religion as some kind of refuge for the simple minded or easily deceived. They cannot understand the importance of religion in a land without hope or the power it gives a government over its people. In the west people think that they can change the tenets of a religion to suit modern social patterns. Changing their own lifestyle to match the teachings of the religion is something that they cannot imagine.
Elsewhere the governments can, and do, use religious teachings to quash social change and government opposition.
Most modern religions focus on a good life in the afterlife where those who suffered in life will have a reward for their faith. This is in contrast to most older forms of religions where the faithful and obedient were rewarded in the present by receiving blessings of wealth and property.
A government established under a form of religious laws has a power akin to the divine right claimed by the kings of old. The laws and commandments they set forth are God's Laws and must be obeyed.
The power of the pulpit is never stronger than in a country where secular beliefs are kept down and the people have little hope of a better life while they live. In a country where the education system is religion based and life centers on a ritual of prayer and ceremony the people are easily led to do the will of the government.
If the Catholics, Baptists, or Anglicans would stand hard fast to what their tenets are and if their followers listened to their priests they would look just as evil and unreasonable as Islam does right now.
This is not some radical form of Islam, this is the Islam of the Prophet, the original old school version of the religion. And these are true believers following the lead of their priests.


Hi Ski, I guess the one true Allah of Islam is unchangeable, as are his words once written. Whereas 'we' the post-christianized West believe/make-believe that our traditions (in Catholicism), changing society through Enlightenment and (violently) the French Revolution, plus the Reformation kinda forced Christianity's God to the negotiation table. The West is the imagined outcome of that negotiation, for Christians, non/other believers and God himself.

As a result our idea of God has shifted to spiritual ally, a friend and even member of the human family. (Or a figment of believers' imagination.) In short a dude... / dudette... (who has no need for the faithful to go around beheading sinners and unbelievers).

Now we have to wait for Muslims to transform their religion in similar ways.

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« Reply #17 on: Aug 28th, 2016, 3:27pm »

Time to End The Happy Talk

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/08/28/exclusive-lt-gen-mike-flynn-obama-hillary-ignored-intelligence-not-like-middle-east-wanted-happy-talk/

If the United States doesn’t elect Trump, and seriously start dealing with the enemy, Flynn believes the problem is only going to get worse—and continue spreading more into the United States.

“If we don’t deal with it, then we’re going to be fighting it for a long, long time—and frankly, as a military guy, I’m sick of just participating in conflict,” Flynn said. “I want to win.”

Flynn said that the FBI is currently working on cases in every U.S. state—all 50 of them—regarding people who are allegedly aiding the Islamic State.

“Our FBI director, our current FBI director, has stated that the FBI is working a thousand—one thousand—cases right here in the homeland of the Islamic State,” Flynn said. “And he’s working those cases in all 50 of our states. So there’s a problem at home, and we definitely have a problem overseas, and our current President and frankly this administration to include Hillary Clinton—they denied the existence of it. And they tried to say ‘this is a religion of peace.’ Islam is Islam. It is a political ideology.”


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« Reply #19 on: Aug 29th, 2016, 01:23am »

Sam Harris about the "golden age" of Islam:



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It's complicated...........

I'm trying to learn about Islam at a deeper level so I don't miss the big picture while taking in its more obvious and atrocious effects..

The problem so far I can figure here is that a reformation in Islam is virtually impossible due to the structure of its theology.

As far back as the 16th century distinctions were made in theology concerning the difference between Christianity and Judaism when compared to the theological structure of Islam.

This distinct difference allowed the western religions of Christianity and Judaism to question, revise and reform according to the times and data acquired through science.

The problem inherent in Islam is that predetermination is a major factor in everything that happens in this world according to Islam. They believe in an all encompassing God who can not be known, but only through his acts, which can be good and bad, but require complete submission to, without question.

It's complicated.. but this video series is very good to see what it is about:



The west progresses, as Sam Harris points out in the video above, because of the West's ability to question and refine its understanding of the world, science and philosophy.

The ability to question old tenets, revise and refine the religion, would be to challenge the omnipotence of God as structured in the Islamic faith.

From the ancient Greeks they took the concept of an atom, from all the other religions at the time, they drew absolute dictums that can not be challenged or questioned.

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I guess, from what I gather with the situation as a whole, is that it boils down to what they believe . Hitler believed in something to. That didn't work out so good for the millions that died as a result.
The world waited too long in the beginning of WWII. Had they joined forces together to stop the Nazi's in it's tracks before it escalated and grew stronger , it most likely would have prohibited a massive genocide .

As each day passes, this locust army is gaining more ground. It is acquiring more weapons . It is building quickly at an exceedingly high rate in manpower....etc. etc.

They want to KILL us, that is their agenda. It is either KILL or be killed. There is no " choice" or other option. Once they acquire nukes, it is > GAME OVER <.

We are a superpower. Russia is a superpower. Our allies combined in a joint strike have the ability to stop them in their tracks without this escalating any further.

So, WHY haven't we/ they ?

They let it go too far already. How much longer will this be allowed to continue ? How much longer will the world sit back and watch with their thumbs up dem donkeys while this shiite continues ?

https://hillaryiscoming.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/hillary-thumbs-up.jpg

Paint us a peachy picture Hillary....it's all good.


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« Reply #21 on: Aug 29th, 2016, 07:22am »

Cliff... It's complicated.

Plus you don't kill 2.8 billion muslims, the majority of which live in Asia and not the middle east, though the middle east propagated the growth worldwide, it is now world wide.

Africa has over half a billion.

Europe has 56 million.. etc etc..

Now what ya gonna do? It's complicated.

You can't kill an idea without killing the history of the world as Islam figures very strongly in the world's history and calamities like the dark ages and the shaping of what exists today.

You have to be very clever about it... our politicians are not out to commit mass genocide, or wear their hearts on their sleeves as that wouldn't be constructive either.

Look at how crazy people actually are in the matter as well..

You have lefties who are gay being useful idiots campaigning for French burkinis and Palestinian statehood when this religion decrees they should be killed for being gay..

And you have racists and extreme right wing groups out for genocide at any price just because... at the other end of the scale..

You have to be very careful in this situation globally as well.. so politicians have to have a smile on one side and a dagger on the other to navigate through their country's best interests..

But what to do to stop the influence that Islam is having right now.. ?

I think that education and knowledge will give people the best means of displacing Islam's influence, and help influence others away from subscribing to it..



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« Reply #22 on: Aug 29th, 2016, 10:00am »

"The problem so far I can figure here is that a reformation in Islam is virtually impossible due to the structure of its theology."

Good points, Tommi! I think this is why the "peaceful silent majority" sits back and does not make an effort to shut down the terrorists.
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« Reply #23 on: Aug 29th, 2016, 11:00am »

You really learn a lot and take a closer look into the sophisticated theological foundation of this religion when you watch this lecture series.

It bypasses all the mad Iman's and street corner clerics to give a scholarly insight into the structure underlying its belief system from the Islamic academic point of view.

The ISIS so called caliph known as Baghdadi
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Bakr_al-Baghdadi

"In 2014, American and Iraqi intelligence analysts said that al-Baghdadi has a doctorate for Islamic studies in Quranic studies, from Saddam University in Baghdad.[23][24] According to a biography that circulated on jihadist internet forums in July 2013, he obtained a BA, MA, and PhD in Islamic studies from the Islamic University of Baghdad.[7][22][25][26] Another report says that he earned a doctorate in education from the University of Baghdad.[27]"

But this lecture series shows the complexity and deep rooted sophisticated structure this con-game has going for it...
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on Aug 29th, 2016, 03:17am, Cliff-67 wrote:
I guess, from what I gather with the situation as a whole, is that it boils down to what they believe . Hitler believed in something to. That didn't work out so good for the millions that died as a result.
The world waited too long in the beginning of WWII. Had they joined forces together to stop the Nazi's in it's tracks before it escalated and grew stronger , it most likely would have prohibited a massive genocide .

As each day passes, this locust army is gaining more ground. It is acquiring more weapons . It is building quickly at an exceedingly high rate in manpower....etc. etc.

They want to KILL us, that is their agenda. It is either KILL or be killed. There is no " choice" or other option. Once they acquire nukes, it is > GAME OVER <.

We are a superpower. Russia is a superpower. Our allies combined in a joint strike have the ability to stop them in their tracks without this escalating any further.

So, WHY haven't we/ they ?

They let it go too far already. How much longer will this be allowed to continue ? How much longer will the world sit back and watch with their thumbs up dem donkeys while this shiite continues ?

https://hillaryiscoming.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/hillary-thumbs-up.jpg

Paint us a peachy picture Hillary....it's all good.


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This current administration allowed this to happen and STILL hasn't done enough to stop it !!!!!!!! ( IMHO ). angry

UP YOURS ayatollah !!!!!,,,,YOU TOO little kim !!!!!

http://img.wonkette.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/nbc-fires-donald-trump-after-he-calls-mexicans-rapists-and-drug-runners.jpg



Cliff and Tommi, yes it's not about killing or even ANTAGONIZING the Muslim world population of course (and at least two Muslim countries are known to have nukes too!), but 'merely' to knock out of existence Islamic State as a territorial caliphate.

Imo that's hard only because IS has opted to position its strongholds inside towns/cities. Human shields. Sure the US, or let's say France would be capable of nuking those, poof.. no more IS, except we wouldn't be the DECENT civilization we believe we are anymore. I think same applies to Russia, be it because they'd hesitate to use WMD inside either Assad's or US-partnered Iraqi territory. Putin might be tempted to find an opportunistic ground for deploying those fuel implosion bombs (comparing to small tactical nuclear devices, yet without the fallout)...


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Unfortunately, on the battlefield, decency is not an option. But, I know what you're saying.



Some don't practice "rules of engagement. "

It is sad really. Yes, tactics can be used to reduce innocent civilian casualties. Today's technologies are much more precise compared to weapons used (for example) during WWII.

Germany fire bombed London. We fire bombed Germany, and Japan.etc.etc... There were more casualties using incendiary devices in Japan then there were using the A-bomb and hydrogen bomb on Nagasaki and Hiroshima combined.

Many innocent civilians , women, and children, were annihilated.

War sucks ! But, until mankind can learn to live on this rock together in harmony, shiite happens......

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« Reply #26 on: Aug 30th, 2016, 11:04am »

Nothing makes a belief system deepen and grow in strength like oppression. Nothing makes the believers more committed than being attacked for their beliefs.
Military action against the IS that appears to be based on their religion will be like throwing water on a gasoline fire. The fire, and support for IS, will only spread.
Attacks on the IS and its supporters MUST be based on their criminal acts of aggression. And this must be clearly stated that, like the Iraqi attack on Kuwait or the VC in South Vietnam, these violent attacks are not acceptable acts of social change.
Keep the issue of religion off the front page and use the single most effective weapon any army has ever used. No bomb, not shell, no unmanned vehicle can go into a space crowded with non-combatants and sort out and remove the bad guys from among them with a minimum of collateral damage like a trained infantry soldier.
Indiscriminate killing by long distance weapons just spreads the death and helps the IS gain support. We have to accept that we must meet them on the field of battle and show we have the will to push them out of the lands they have taken and end their acts of aggression.
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« Reply #27 on: Aug 30th, 2016, 12:19pm »

Tommi hit some very good points and should be heeded!

Americans ,as a whole, detest anything being forced upon them no matter what it is! They may not riot and cause havoc but we sure do bitch a lot and undermine that forced 'thing' in every way every day silently.

This isn't tolerated in Islam. It is a total commitment to the tenants of this 'cult'! Death to any and all non- believers will never change! It's been an essential element in Islam since inception!

If people can't look at almost fifteen hundred years of history and see that the use of force and death as a means to force conversion to Islam is the norm, they will never understand why they can't reduce the problem of Islamic terror!

Witness those westerners that were left behind when the Shah abdicated. Their neighbors who before would be friendly and party with them. After, they attacked, terrorized and caused great suffering till they could find a way out of Iran!

There is no possible way to enlighten those who believe. Very few of those who have been somewhat westernized will broach the subject of change!

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immutable

adjective

unchanging over time or unable to be changed.
"an immutable fact"

synonyms: unchangeable, fixed, set, rigid, inflexible, unyielding, unbending, permanent, entrenched, established, well-established, unshakeable, irremovable, indelible, ineradicable

Google "Islam is immutable" and see the voices of authority

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What a Miserable, nasty web sight Tommi!! The ignorance of Non-Muslims needs to be addressed and soon! Most people I talk to think that Islam is like any other religion and that idea is scary!

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