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« Reply #30 on: Aug 31st, 2016, 12:05am »

I read a few of those links, so I don't know which one was the worst that you read, but my takeaway from it was that the word "immutable" has been used in Islam for a very long time.

I read one link and I couldn't figure out what country it was but the authority who wrote it was decreeing that any law that was established by the political body governing the country could not have any authority if it conflicted with the "immutable" laws of the Koran.

That shows, I suppose, why even so called "democracies" in Islamic countries have such a hard time establishing their governance.

edit to add: It also shows why they never make any progress and if not for oil and tourism would be dirt poor and even more backwards.


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« Reply #31 on: Aug 31st, 2016, 12:51am »

I've been trying to watch this series of 1 through 5 called History of the Middle East.

I'm on part 2 now. It has a very good explanation of what happened with the carving up of the middle east at the end of the Ottoman empire by the English and French.



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« Reply #32 on: Aug 31st, 2016, 01:07am »

Years ago, when I watched Midnight Express it scared me totally.. but I didn't understand why or what was behind such brutality. Syria was a mystery to me and it seemed like there was some kind of dark boogie-man surrounding these countries, full of mystery.. full of a culture that Edward Said called "Orientalism".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orientalism_(book)

I never read the book, but its effects have been long lasting in our Western thought processes about the Arab culture.

But now I see it is not a mysterious dark boogie-man that hasn't an identity.. It is Islam and its interpretations that have created this shrouded culture that is spreading itself.


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« Reply #33 on: Aug 31st, 2016, 01:59am »

In the book Orientalism, Edward Said promoted a critical view of Western cultural superiority over the culture of the Middle East. He was using cultural relativism, which gained a foothold in the West, which has led to blind acceptance of cultural equality in our modern age, which has fed the propagation of Islam and Western acceptance of it though a push for "multiculturalism".

From the Wikipedia article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orientalism:

"Orientalism concluded that "Western knowledge of the Eastern world", i.e. Orientalism fictionally depicts the Orient as an irrational, psychologically weak, and feminized, non-European Other, which is negatively contrasted with the rational, psychologically strong, and masculine West. Such a binary relation, in a hierarchy of weakness and strength, derives from the European psychological need to create a difference of cultural inequality, between West and East, which inequality is attributable to "immutable cultural essences" inherent to Oriental peoples and things.[19]"

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« Reply #34 on: Aug 31st, 2016, 02:24am »

https://www.ebscohost.com/uploads/imported/thisTopic-dbTopic-1247.pdf


Cultural Relativism
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Ethnocentrism stems from the way that Europeans conquered and subdued the indigenous peoples of Africa, Central and South America and Australasia through the spread of colonialism (Giddens, 1997).

"While Europeans, during periods of colonial expansion and beyond, mostly believed they were ‘civilizing’ and superior to the nations they colonized, this view has been trenchantly criticized by scholars such as Edward Said, who have used cultural relativism as a tool to highlight the social and cultural effects of colonialism. These scholars draw attention to the way that colonialists—through for instance art and literature—privilege Western values and ideas above indigenous values and beliefs and in so doing nullify indigenous culture. In this sense, cultural relativism is used as a tool to challenge ethnocentric Western views and practices and to promote an appreciation of cultural diversity."

"Conservatism & Cultural Relativism

Political and moral conservatives tend to despair over the influence of cultural relativism on intellectual thought and the shift away from objective, identifiable standards as the measure for all truth-claims. Their concerns center on the way that cultural relativism makes it difficult for people to assert how one set of
practices, or truths, is better (morally) than others because, conservatives argue, cultural relativism asserts that systems of thought (or morality) are incommensurate and equal."



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« Reply #35 on: Aug 31st, 2016, 05:11am »

West meets East

Orientalism in Nineteenth-Century Art

http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/euor/hd_euor.htm

"The Orient—including present-day Turkey, Greece, the Middle East, and North Africa—exerted its allure on the Western artist’s imagination centuries prior to the turn of the nineteenth century. Figures in Middle Eastern dress appear in Renaissance and Baroque works by such artists as Bellini, Veronese, and Rembrandt, and the opulent eroticism of harem scenes appealed to the French Rococo aesthetic. Until this point, however, Europeans had minimal contact with the East, usually through trade and intermittent military campaigns. In 1798, a French army led by General Napoleon Bonaparte invaded Egypt and occupied the country until 1801. The European presence in Egypt attracted Western travelers to the Near and Middle East, many of whom captured their impressions in paint or print. In 1809, the French government published the first installment of the twenty-four-volume Description de l’Égypte (1809–22), illustrating the topography, architecture, monuments, natural life, and population of Egypt. The Description de l’Égypte was the most influential of many works that aimed to document the culture of this region, and it had a profound effect on French architecture and decorative arts of the period, as evidenced in the dominance of Egyptian motifs in the Empire style."


http://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/436482

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2b/Ferdinand-Victor-Eug%C3%A8ne_Delacroix%2C_French_-_The_Death_of_Sardanapalus_-_Google_Art_Project.jpg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Death_of_Sardanapalus



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« Reply #36 on: Aug 31st, 2016, 10:48am »

Rushing to Our Destiny

In 2004, an FBI raid in Virginia discovered filing cabinets filled with papers documenting Muslim Brotherhood plans to undermine U.S. Culture and government institutions and to replace the U.S Constitution with Sharia Law - in other words overthrow the U.S. Government and its supporting institutions and culture. This plan included stealth, infiltration, financial influence, bribery, and whatever bullying, threats, and violence necessary to accomplish its end.

The Muslim Brotherhood is one of the most powerful political organizations in the world with access to hundreds of billions of dollars in Middle Eastern oil. Their objective is global dominance. Please read the article below. The
Muslim Brotherhood is a very serious threat to the U.S. and our and allies and will try to influence the 2016 U.S. elections.


A MAGNIFICENT CON BY THE MUSLIM KHAN

By Frosty Wooldridge, Aug 31, 2016, NewsWithViews.com

At the Democratic National Convention in July, Pakistani immigrant and Muslim Brotherhood member Khizr Muazzam Khan held up a booklet containing our U.S. Constitution in condemnation of Donald J. Trump’s plans to ban Muslim immigration.

Did the mainstream media speak up to expose the fact that Khan advocates for Sharia Law to be implemented in the United States? Did “Meet the Press” moderator Chuck Todd expose the fact that Khan’s membership in the Muslim Brotherhood equates to conquering and destroying America’s constitution? Did John Dickerson at “Face the Nation” expose Khan’s legal firm ‘buying’ U.S. citizenships for his Muslim brothers in Saudi Arabia?

Not a word! In fact, the mainstream media jumped all over Trump rather than defend their own country from the Muslim immigration threat. Its consequences play out all over Europe in accelerating lone wolf massacres and subsequent parallel societies.

Journalist Daniel Greenfield wrote, “When you turn on the evening news and see a running death toll, it’s happening more and more often. The new brand of Islamic terror only needs one thing… Muslims. Lone wolf terrorism operates off the existing Muslim population in a particular country. The bigger the Muslim population, the bigger the risk. The FBI or other law enforcement agencies cannot monitor even a fraction of the Islamic settler population sympathetic to terror. As the Muslim settler population in the country increases, the number of cases will grow.” (Source: Right Side News, Stop Lone Wolf Terrorism by Ending Muslim Immigration, August 2, 2016)

Notice none of the mainstream outlets expose Hillary Clinton’s top aid Huma Abedin stands first, last and always—a Muslim. The same media that enjoys our 1st Amendment rights never touches the fact that Obama employs 13 Muslims on his staff. One of them named Mr. Magid works on implementing Sharia Law in America. He’s known as the Sharia Law czar in the White House.

Ironically, Khan conned our nation with its sympathies toward his son killed in 2004. In the intervening years, Khan’s work to bring in more Muslim Brotherhood members and selling citizenship to Saudi Arabian Muslims—illustrates his long term goal: to displace the U.S. Constitution with Sharia Law wherever his Muslim immigrants grow in numbers and strength. If allowed or he gained the power, Khan would implement Sharia Law across America in a heartbeat.

Journalist Theodore Shoebat said, “Khan is a promoter of Islamic Sharia Law in the U.S. He was a co-founder of the Journal of Contemporary Issues in Muslim Law. During the eighties Khan wrote a paper titled Juristic Classification of Islamic Sharia Law. In it he elucidated on the system of Sharia law expressing his reverence for “The Sunnah — authentic tradition of the Prophet Muhammad.” (Source: www.shoebat.com, August 2, 2016)

In other words, Khan advocates for total subjugation of women’s rights, loss of free speech, loss of religious choice, loss of children’s rights and loss of women’s rights to dress as they choose. He works to undermine everything that Americans fought and died for in the last 240 years.

Make note of this reality: Hillary’s work with Huma Abedin and men such as Khan illustrates how deep Islam imbeds itself into our country. Khan pulled out all the stops on sympathy for his son, when in fact; he works to destroy the foundation of our country with every day and every breath.

Search Al-Wathaiq, Al-Siyasiyah from Arabia on violent jihad. Khan promotes it in his writing and actions.

Which brings a huge question as to the final intent of America’s mainstream media: why don’t Scott Pelley, David Muir, Lester Holt, John Dickerson, Chuck Todd, Terry Gross, Steve Inskeep, Robert Siegel and a host of other top journalist ferret out the accelerating Islamic invasion of our country?

Why not expose what’s really happening to Europe and to the USA? Are they waiting for Sharia Law to snuff out their voices? Are they waiting for more terror attacks by ‘deranged’ men following the Quran? Why haven’t they exposed Obama’s continuous assault on our country with his open borders and unconstitutional executive orders amnesties?

Passage from Governor Richard Lamm’s famous 2003 speech on “How to Destroy America”:

Lamm said, “If you believe that America is too smug, too self-satisfied, too rich, then let’s destroy America. It is not that hard to do. No nation in history has survived the ravages of time. Arnold Toynbee observed that all great civilizations rise and fall, and that, “An autopsy of history would show that all great nations commit suicide.”


We gallop toward that destiny!

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SWAMP,

TO WIT:

"Arnold Toynbee observed that all great civilizations rise and fall"

NOW WE ARE COOKING WITH GREASE

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"Toynbee does not see the breakdown of civilizations as caused by loss of control over the physical environment, by loss of control over the human environment, or by attacks from outside. Rather, it comes from the deterioration of the "Creative Minority", which eventually ceases to be creative and degenerates into merely a "Dominant Minority"—which forces the majority to obey without meriting obedience. He argues that creative minorities deteriorate due to a worship of their "former self", by which they become prideful and fail adequately to address the next challenge they face."


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"He argues that the ultimate sign a civilization has broken down is when the dominant minority forms a "universal state", which stifles political creativity within the existing social order. The classic example of this is the Roman Empire, though many other imperial regimes are cited as examples."

Toynbee writes:

"First the Dominant Minority attempts to hold by force—against all right and reason—a position of inherited privilege which it has ceased to merit; and then the Proletariat repays injustice with resentment, fear with hate, and violence with violence when it executes its acts of secession. Yet the whole movement ends in positive acts of creation—and this on the part of all the actors in the tragedy of disintegration. The Dominant Minority creates a universal state, the Internal Proletariat a universal church, and the External Proletariat a bevy of barbarian war-bands."


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« Reply #38 on: Aug 31st, 2016, 4:29pm »

If this is always the case... why is Islam still kicking?

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Really interesting reading about Toynbee and his background:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnold_J._Toynbee
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YEP ! ENOUGH ALREADY !


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carry on!
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SuziQ why do you always post what sys wants you to?

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