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« Reply #15 on: Nov 20th, 2016, 4:31pm »

on Nov 19th, 2016, 2:01pm, MrGort wrote:
That’s a very good summary document on the global warming/climate change issue. I’d like to reinforce a few points.

Most scientists are associated with the University system etc. These institutions are breeding grounds for the liberal agenda. Scientific publications are paramount to the career track of any ambitious scientist and consequently grants and research proposals are a way of life.

Imagine a scientist trying to progress his career under an Obama administration. Do you honestly think a research proposal contrary to the long-established and loudly stated Obama agenda on climate change would even survive a preliminary review for consideration? I doubt it.

Government scientists, similarly, would not dare express anything deviant from the Obama agenda lest they want to send their government career into a tailspin.

Additionally, the idea that carbon dioxide produced by man is creating a greenhouse effect should be reviewed. I don’t recall the exact figures but one active volcano releases more CO2 than these figures for man induced CO2.

Furthermore, most of the CO2 goes into the ocean where there is a buffer system. CO2 is the mainstay of phytoplankton. Carbon ingested by plants through photosynthesis become cellulose and plant tissue and starch. The more CO2 the more phytoplankton. The more phytoplankton more oxygen (a photosynthetic byproduct) and more zooplankton. More fish up the food chain and more productivity from the ocean.

Now there are other things beside CO2 considered pollutants. By all means these should be controlled and I’ve mentioned such chemicals before.

But the idea that we could reduce climate change/global warming by reducing CO2 is just a political red herring, a gimmick to make those less informed yield to and vote Democrat.

I’m sure local concentrations could pose a risk and should be regulated but on a regional or global scale other factors, besides a narrowly environmental interpretation such as economic, social justice, jobs and a better living standard come into play.


Thanks for your explanation of CO2, MrGort, which in turn brings me to the alarming AGW proponents' linkage of greenhouse gases and (through esp. ice melts) rising sealevels. It's a bit over my head so here's the easiest and most accessable link I've been using to get to grips with this question:

The Great Sea-Level Humbug - There Is No Alarming Sea Level Rise! by dr. Nils-Axel Mörner

Here's a climate scientist who's been measuring sea level hands-on all around the world. And, computer models predicting large rises (linked to CO2 and Greenhouse) notwithstanding, there's nothing much to report. Real global sea level rise seems to be measured in centimeters per century (about ten cm 1840-1940), yet followed by a decrease in said rise to some 1.0 mm per year more recently. Could be zero, allowing margin of error!

Imho all of the above flies in the face of the Anthropogenic Global Warming logic of human industry still venting excess greenhouse gases into the air, which (so the theory goes) leads to global warming, leading in turn to ice melts, which causes dangerous rises in sea levels. (And I read in your post: ultimately leads to voting Dem.) Uh.. seems the water isn't rising..... mmmm..... rolleyes


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« Reply #16 on: Nov 21st, 2016, 4:09pm »


I doubt 4 years will make much difference in a process that has spanned millenia.

8 years of Obama didn't have any effect...no matter how much he meddled.
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« Reply #17 on: Nov 21st, 2016, 6:00pm »

on Nov 21st, 2016, 4:09pm, Raf wrote:
I doubt 4 years will make much difference in a process that has spanned millenia.

8 years of Obama didn't have any effect...no matter how much he meddled.


I hear ya..but 7 wars campaigns culminating in massive oil well fires in Iraq and Syria have pretty much effd up the environment and atmosphere, contributed to birth defects, hunger ,misery and suffering that make mother nature on its own pale in comparison..Thats some legacy.With Nato poking its missles on Russias borders...and Russia locating its nuke missles in retaliation...maybe the cycle will stop.sort of.
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« Reply #18 on: Nov 22nd, 2016, 07:05am »

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Raf and Sys_Config, agree with ya both that not The Donald, nor previously Barack Obama could/can make a real difference in how climate will behave in future. Short of waging full-blown thermonuclear war, which is bound to heat things up some (and/or cool them down), so we might not even last to see the next ice age.

I think somehow 'regulating' Climate is just too ambitious a goal. But the world coming together to limit pollution, so populations living near heavy industry need not suffocate (or drink poisoned water) as happens in China, uh.. even some places in the US: that's a worthy goal, it's the decent thing to do, introducing the REAL cost of doing business (pro-actively preventing harm) and will undoubtedly be good for animals/plantlife as well.

Let me tell you. I'm no climate scientist. Probably I am a Climate Idiot. Nevertheless here's the purr-Climate Model (just for your amusement!). I would call my version the Unstable Planet Theory: whatever we do, sooner or (hopefully) later sumtin bad is gonna happen. Comet/Asteroid slamming into Earth. Volcanoes getting hot and fired up, meaning we may expect getting deep fried or frozen for centuries or millennia. Some mega solar event (increase/decrease in radiation) ditto. Catastrophes involving superfast heat waves and/or water waves (megatsunamies).

I say (apart from being individual preppers, absolutely!) Mankind should focus all its contingency planning and resources, effectively an entire new economy, on preparing for cosmic sized disasters, with the aim to maximize nr of survivors and preserving our Way of Life. In practice this would mean designing disaster hardened cities and their (nuclear) power plants. Plus make haste in finding an Earth 2 (for anything we cannot survive down here).

Doesn't this sound a hell of a lot like the Woody Harrelson character in 2012..? laugh laugh laugh ... any how 2 cts. worth.


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« Reply #19 on: Nov 22nd, 2016, 08:36am »

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« Reply #20 on: Nov 22nd, 2016, 08:58am »


Given the state of the world, I suspect we'll just be dealing with weather / climate issues on a day to day basis.

I don't think the cost to national economies is worth it personally. Its like some people want to break the economic backs of large emitters,metaphorically speaking. Saddle its citizens with crushing taxes and drive them down to 3rd world status with a moneyed elite still in charge.

The hell with that.





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« Reply #21 on: Nov 22nd, 2016, 10:00am »

on Nov 22nd, 2016, 07:05am, purr wrote:
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Raf and Sys_Config, agree with ya both that not The Donald, nor previously Barack Obama could/can make a real difference in how climate will behave in future. Short of waging full-blown thermonuclear war, which is bound to heat things up some (and/or cool them down), so we might not even last to see the next ice age.

I think somehow 'regulating' Climate is just too ambitious a goal. But the world coming together to limit pollution, so populations living near heavy industry need not suffocate (or drink poisoned water) as happens in China, uh.. even some places in the US: that's a worthy goal, it's the decent thing to do, introducing the REAL cost of doing business (pro-actively preventing harm) and will undoubtedly be good for animals/plantlife as well.

Let me tell you. I'm no climate scientist. Probably I am a Climate Idiot. Nevertheless here's the purr-Climate Model (just for your amusement!). I would call my version the Unstable Planet Theory: whatever we do, sooner or (hopefully) later sumtin bad is gonna happen. Comet/Asteroid slamming into Earth. Volcanoes getting hot and fired up, meaning we may expect getting deep fried or frozen for centuries or millennia. Some mega solar event (increase/decrease in radiation) ditto. Catastrophes involving superfast heat waves and/or water waves (megatsunamies).

I say (apart from being individual preppers, absolutely!) Mankind should focus all its contingency planning and resources, effectively an entire new economy, on preparing for cosmic sized disasters, with the aim to maximize nr of survivors and preserving our Way of Life. In practice this would mean designing disaster hardened cities and their (nuclear) power plants. Plus make haste in finding an Earth 2 (for anything we cannot survive down here).

Doesn't this sound a hell of a lot like the Woody Harrelson character in 2012..? laugh laugh laugh ... any how 2 cts. worth.


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« Reply #22 on: Nov 23rd, 2016, 10:06pm »

This might help the planet a little...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IUQn9uL6W0

http://www.sciencealert.com/scientists-are-again-turning-co2-into-solid-rock-to-fight-climate-change



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« Reply #23 on: Nov 24th, 2016, 12:04am »

I'm amazed you all continue to flaunt your opinions ,yet,you do not see.
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All life is temporary. And a gift.

What is your point?
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« Reply #25 on: Dec 5th, 2016, 2:51pm »

"Gore and Trump met to talk climate change."

http://www.pressherald.com/2016/12/05/al-gore-touts-extremely-interesting-talk-with-trump-on-climate-change
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"Highest tide: Parts of Boston, Florida"

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How Trump will affect climate change


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GA4Ozqt7338

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Climate warming is heading the same direction Youtube and FB are..down! cool
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on Dec 5th, 2016, 5:51pm, Sys_Config wrote:
How Trump will affect climate change


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GA4Ozqt7338

youtube has gone full retard preventing folx posting vids on forums. perhas conforums can expand the the yoube selection to allow any video..I loathe going to youtube anyway.

Climate warming is heading the same direction Youtube and FB are..down! cool


One {The Thing- with Kurt Russel} of my favorite movies --- Trouble is...if "we wait and see what happens" --- it's already too late.
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« Reply #29 on: Dec 6th, 2016, 2:42pm »

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/australia/11591193/Australia-PM-advisor-says-climate-change-a-UN-led-ruse.html
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