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« Reply #15 on: Jan 25th, 2017, 5:32pm »

on Jan 25th, 2017, 5:08pm, purr wrote:
Thanks for that Wikipedia link, Erno. Been quite a while since I read on the subject, but I would like to add that Sociopathy/Psychopathy/Antisocial Personality Disorder may not be an illness, unless in the most optimist view of psychiatrists developing some mode of treatment experimentally.

Simply: psychopaths could be just ruthless people who from lack of functional conscience cause others to suffer, torment or murder them until they are stopped, imprisoned or executed.

No therapy cases methinks. Although a Psychopath/Sociopath could suffer from mental disorders apart from their primary disfunction, and ask for help with that.

We see among normal people some sociopathic traits. Which makes such folks decidedly unpleasant, but nowhere near full-blown sociopaths.


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On point thank you purr..
This is how people in that strata are...and calling pyschopaths will not change anything..
The best article specifically on both e Ivana and Trump before and after separation.
warning its long but substantive and not the idle knee jerk comments we hear like Obumba or Psycho..
Because that insults our collective intelligence..
which if anyone does their due diligence will note are hardly the case for either..
http://www.vanityfair.com/magazine/2015/07/donald-ivana-trump-divorce-prenup-marie-brenner

when you have read..then come back and discuss
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« Reply #16 on: Jan 25th, 2017, 6:31pm »

on Jan 25th, 2017, 5:32pm, Sys_Config wrote:
On point thank you purr..
This is how people in that strata are...and calling pyschopaths will not change anything..
The best article specifically on both e Ivana and Trump before and after separation.
warning its long but substantive and not the idle knee jerk comments we hear like Obumba or Psycho..
Because that insults our collective intelligence..
which if anyone does their due diligence will note are hardly the case for either..
http://www.vanityfair.com/magazine/2015/07/donald-ivana-trump-divorce-prenup-marie-brenner

when you have read..then come back and discuss
Thank you all


Great article, helpful in fleshing out the simplifications/misrepresentations so widely being disseminated on Trumps background, relationships and business deals. One piece of advice immediately appealed to my curious nature (quoting from linked piece):

The key to Donald, like with any bully, is to tell him to go [mod edit: expletive term denoting sexual intercourse] himself

Highly entertaining, well written, informative stuff! Again, I see an unusual individual. Confrontational, hard to predict. Can't help notice everything he does appears to be on a humongous large scale.

What do you see, Sys_Config? I know you have a finely attuned mind and I wonder how you assess this president's potential and essential nature. Thanks!


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« Reply #17 on: Jan 25th, 2017, 9:16pm »

He kept his promise ..He is building the wall..even if the btaxpayer winds up paying and not Mexico..Most Americans except illegals and their Lawyers and the Sanctuary cities are happy. That was his calling card..the wall. He will build it.

Most schools and university pushing Climate change will lose their funding..Nothing evil will escape from Antractica..maybe a piece of larsen ridge..

Designs for military equipment will no longer exceed the cost of producing them ..something that affects our capabilities ..

Major Unions have now kissed the ring except the SEIU that depend on warm bodies legal or not for dues..

I agree he is a bully..and does not have the patience of a Putin or a Job..but we didn't need a ghandi to ferret out the corruption in Washington.



I am amused to no end of the same cities claiming sanctuary status are running out homeless who live in their cars..Amused that they allow pro sharia islamic organiziers for womens marches..Allow anarchists to burn a limo belonging to a legal working muslim...they are on the wrong side of history and I question their mental health..

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« Reply #18 on: Jan 26th, 2017, 05:48am »

It's amazing.. I love Paul Krugman and his economic blogs but he is very wrong with his assumptions about Trump.

So finally, I find myself defending Trump against my old hero Krugman. I really wish Krugman would bury the hatchet and offer his insights and acumen to the Trump admin instead of carrying on in such an undignified, unreasonable way against the president.

I find that I can't disagree with anything that Trump has proposed or done so far. I believe he has integrity and the intelligence to get the key specialists and people of experience in various fields in to work with him.

And to add to all this.. there is nothing.. absolutely nothing more naive, more uncritical and dishonest than dismissing the existential threat we are to face and the clash of civilizations we must encounter when it comes to Islam.

And probably this is the biggest driving factor as to why Trump was elected and why many liberal people like myself can not align anymore with the democratic and left wing party.

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If you want to see "mentally ill" generic style and in mass.. look at the useful idiots in the women's march in DC, London and Germany singing Allah Akbar and putting head scarfs on themselves in "solidarity"...

And the stupidest people on the face of the earth right now are the gays who were doing this.

And the worst of them all are the ones who shamelessly have sold their half witted brains out to this ideology who have a position in the press and influence like Sally Kohn, Linda Sarsour and Bernie Sanders. WTF are they thinking??

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« Reply #20 on: Jan 26th, 2017, 06:55am »

So Tommi, do you think Soros will take action against the US and Trump,
if so, would Soros then be a villain ?

Many might think Soros would be a hero.

whatcha think?
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TOMMI,

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"I find that I can't disagree with anything that Trump has proposed or done so far. I believe he has integrity and the intelligence to get the key specialists and people of experience in various fields in to work with him.

And to add to all this.. there is nothing.. absolutely nothing more naive, more uncritical and dishonest than dismissing the existential threat we are to face and the clash of civilizations we must encounter when it comes to Islam.

And probably this is the biggest driving factor as to why Trump was elected and why many liberal people like myself can not align anymore with the democratic and left wing party."

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"If you want to see "mentally ill" generic style and in mass.. look at the useful idiots in the women's march in DC, London and Germany singing Allah Akbar and putting head scarfs on themselves in "solidarity"...the worst of them all are the ones who shamelessly have sold their half witted brains out to this ideology who have a position in the press and influence"

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« Reply #22 on: Jan 26th, 2017, 4:23pm »

The leak of a Trump's draft order reinstating black-site prisons and harsh interrogation techniques is attracting my attention --- So much that I believe that Trump will intern our own U.S. citizens in these same prisons, along with the use of harsh torture techniques.

George Orwell's "1984" just surged to Amazon's best seller list, with his book "1984" about a story about a dystopian future where critical thought is suppressed under a totalitarian regime.

Kellyanne Conway, an adviser to Donald J. Trump, gave on "Meet the Press," in defending a false claim by White House press secretary Sean Spicer that Mr. Trump had attracted the "largest audience ever to witness an inauguration." Ms. Conway used a turn of phrase that struck some observers as similar to the dystopian world of "1984."

When asked on NBC's "Meet the Press" why Mr. Spicer had said something that was provably false,, Ms. Conway replied airily, "Don't be so dramatic."

Mr. Spicer, she said, "gave alternative facts."

In the novel, the term "newspeak" refers to language in which independent thought, or "unorthodox" political ideas, have been "eliminated' "Doublethink" is defined as "reality control."

When Donald J. Trump responded to my one an only tweet that I sent to him --- He replied to me with a "1984" dystopian flair, that made me remember "1984." Trump tweeted to me "I'm watching you!"

Where is the money for the wall going to come from
assuming Mexico does not cut a check as Mr. Trump has demanded?

"President Trump proposed wall would certainly cost billion of dollars: He says $8 billion, while more realistic estimates put the price tag at $15 billion to $25 billion {and $500 million per year for upkeep.

What about the benefits of the wall? First, it won't keep many aliens out. No matter how high the wall is, it won't stop smugglers from tunneling underground, as many already have done to get past existing border fences.

Second, even if the does lower the number of unlawful immigrants in the United States, the economic gains from reducing immigration are not greater than the cost of the wall.

Mr. Trump is reported to be planning to rely on a law called the Secure Fence Act of 2006 as a source of statutory authority for the wall --- apparently to avoid asking Congress to pass a new statute, which could be filibustered by the Democrats.

But the 2006 law authorizes the secretary of homeland security only to take actions that are "necessary and appropriate." These are the same words {in the opposite order} the Supreme Court v. EPA. As Justice Scalia said, it would not be "appropriate" to "impose billion of dollars in economic costs in return for a few dollars in benefits."

quote: Can Scalia Bock Trump's Wall? -- By Daniel, Johnathan Masur and Eric Posner - NYT's OP-ED Thursday, January 26, 2017

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« Reply #23 on: Jan 26th, 2017, 5:01pm »

George Orwell was writing about socialism and totalitarianism. Both were a threat from the Ottomans, Nazi's, socialists and communists during his time and experiences.

All these Bernie Sanders supporters and people calling to silence free speech, debate and common sense... putting head scarfs on men to show support for Islam....

This is what you are courting... Not Trump.

Torture isn't something anyone wants... that's why Trump doesn't rule it out... because handing lolipops, Korans and prayer rugs to terrorists isn't working..

Newspeak.. I've never heard such newspeak as the left is using.. Islam is a religion of peace. Islamophobia. Deplorable. Racist. Bigot. Divider. "Have you read the Koran?" "You don't understand Islam"

One of my favorites is by Linda Sarsour who was given Twitter support by Sanders when she was trolled on Twitter after she said "Sharia will take your credit cards and make them interest free, what's not to like?"...

(Under Sharia you are charged "fees", which she didn't mention, because interest is forbidden.)

Is this the "newspeak" of which that article speaks?


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on Jan 26th, 2017, 06:55am, MOKSHA wrote:
So Tommi, do you think Soros will take action against the US and Trump,
if so, would Soros then be a villain ?

Many might think Soros would be a hero.

whatcha think?


Not after he goes through his mental phase of cognitive dissonance and realizes he had it figured wrong... it's going to happen to a lot of people I think..

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on Jan 26th, 2017, 4:23pm, Erno86 wrote:
The leak of a Trump's draft order reinstating black-site prisons and harsh interrogation techniques is attracting my attention --- So much that I believe that Trump will intern our own U.S. citizens in these same prisons, along with the use of harsh torture techniques.

George Orwell's "1984" just surged to Amazon's best seller list, with his book "1984" about a story about a dystopian future where critical thought is suppressed under a totalitarian regime.

Kellyanne Conway, an adviser to Donald J. Trump, gave on "Meet the Press," in defending a false claim by White House press secretary Sean Spicer that Mr. Trump had attracted the "largest audience ever to witness an inauguration." Ms. Conway used a turn of phrase that struck some observers as similar to the dystopian world of "1984."

When asked on NBC's "Meet the Press" why Mr. Spicer had said something that was provably false,, Ms. Conway replied airily, "Don't be so dramatic."

Mr. Spicer, she said, "gave alternative facts."

In the novel, the term "newspeak" refers to language in which independent thought, or "unorthodox" political ideas, have been "eliminated' "Doublethink" is defined as "reality control."

When Donald J. Trump responded to my one an only tweet that I sent to him --- He replied to me with a "1984" dystopian flair, that made me remember "1984." Trump tweeted to me "I'm watching you!"

Where is the money for the wall going to come from
assuming Mexico does not cut a check as Mr. Trump has demanded?

"President Trump proposed wall would certainly cost billion of dollars: He says $8 billion, while more realistic estimates put the price tag at $15 billion to $25 billion {and $500 million per year for upkeep.

What about the benefits of the wall? First, it won't keep many aliens out. No matter how high the wall is, it won't stop smugglers from tunneling underground, as many already have done to get past existing border fences.

Second, even if the does lower the number of unlawful immigrants in the United States, the economic gains from reducing immigration are not greater than the cost of the wall.

Mr. Trump is reported to be planning to rely on a law called the Secure Fence Act of 2006 as a source of statutory authority for the wall --- apparently to avoid asking Congress to pass a new statute, which could be filibustered by the Democrats.

But the 2006 law authorizes the secretary of homeland security only to take actions that are "necessary and appropriate." These are the same words {in the opposite order} the Supreme Court v. EPA. As Justice Scalia said, it would not be "appropriate" to "impose billion of dollars in economic costs in return for a few dollars in benefits."

quote: Can Scalia Bock Trump's Wall? -- By Daniel, Johnathan Masur and Eric Posner - NYT's OP-ED Thursday, January 26, 2017



I don't think I can say it enough, Erno86, I really appreciate your train of worry. I agree (as suggested in my own thread on his Inauguration Address) he is giving off some totalitarian, at the very least AUTHORITARIAN warning signs. And again, time will tell.

Big Orwellian litmus (thinking both of Animal Farm and 1984) test will be whether in the coming years he will push/support legislature making 'some animals more equal than others'. Thinking of his choice of VP Pence who came up with the so called bathroom laws. Which, if taken to the national level, above all threaten the full citizen's equality of transgenders (precisely as if you would ban Black, Disabled or Muslim Citizens from any public space). The 'animal' thus unfairly advantaged would be the heterosexual male and female (kinda pretending there are no other kinds of animals on our farm). smiley

That said.

I feel I resonate with his acceptance of water boarding and terrorist prisons. Here it is of course vital he's not preparing to waterboard or incarcerate everybody in America. Just a selection of terrorists, and if he listens to advice, only the tiny fraction that holds info on the most extreme threat to the US, like introducing WMD on its own soil. And at that point we may call it Torture and probably go beyond dousing interviewees with water. 100,000s of lives at stake, Erno...

Also I'm not overly sentimental about Citizens (US or other) who have committed treason by fighting on the side of terrorist enemies.

But agree there's a slippery slope, it can be taken too far. Time will tell. Let's see if Trump will manage to limit his killzone to America's enemies.


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"Donald Trump's Mexico Tantrum"

"The tariff tantrum was the latest in a head-spinning torrent of lies, dangerous policy ideas and threats from the White House since Mr. Trump was sworn in last Friday. They have underscored just how impulsive and apparently ignorant the new occupant of the Oval Office is on international economic and security relationships that serve American interests. His advisers appear unwilling to rein in his impulses or, as in the case of the tariff, hapless as they struggle to tamp them down.

quote: NYT's EDITORIALS Friday, January 27, 2017
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on Jan 27th, 2017, 12:48pm, Erno86 wrote:


I'm amazed nobody noticed during the vetting process: there's a problem with Hitler's birth certificate (a frequently expressed regret of Schwarzenegger's), Austria lies well outside of the territorial US. Uh.. ahem... not to mention the small matter with his DEATH CERTIFICATE. I hear in America dead people are ineligible for the presidency, nor are they allowed to vote!

Apart from all that...

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on Jan 27th, 2017, 2:49pm, Erno86 wrote:
"Donald Trump's Mexico Tantrum"

"The tariff tantrum was the latest in a head-spinning torrent of lies, dangerous policy ideas and threats from the White House since Mr. Trump was sworn in last Friday. They have underscored just how impulsive and apparently ignorant the new occupant of the Oval Office is on international economic and security relationships that serve American interests. His advisers appear unwilling to rein in his impulses or, as in the case of the tariff, hapless as they struggle to tamp them down.

quote: NYT's EDITORIALS Friday, January 27, 2017


Lately every day Dutch News seems to open with the latest Trump policy. And I have a tendency to cringe while watching his performance. Not all of it is bad, and maybe some things will work out just fine. Erno, I'm really trying to be an optimist here. wink


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