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« Reply #150 on: Feb 25th, 2017, 05:52am »

The strategy is being debated here along with insight into General Mcmaster.

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/02/general-mcmaster-and-that-perverted-interpretation-of-religion-used-to-justify-violence#comments

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« Reply #151 on: Feb 25th, 2017, 11:37am »

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...Well, I've always said to myself, I don't need to read Mein Kemph to know it is a very bad idea...

That's pretty clever.

Perhaps you could explain just how you do it.

Sounds to me very much like the people who wanted to kill Salman Rushdie over his book 'Satanic Verses'. Have you read it ? No ? Neither had most of the people condemning him.

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« Reply #152 on: Feb 25th, 2017, 11:52am »

...The nationalization of the great masses can never take place by way of half measures, by a weak emphasis upon a so-called objective view point, but by a ruthless and fanatical one-sided orientation as to the goal to be aimed at... one can only succeed in winning the soul of the people if...one also destroys at the same time the supporter of the contrary.


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« Reply #153 on: Feb 25th, 2017, 12:40pm »

on Feb 25th, 2017, 11:37am, INT21 wrote:
Tommi,

...Well, I've always said to myself, I don't need to read Mein Kemph to know it is a very bad idea...

That's pretty clever.

Perhaps you could explain just how you do it.

Sounds to me very much like the people who wanted to kill Salman Rushdie over his book 'Satanic Verses'. Have you read it ? No ? Neither had most of the people condemning him.

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WTF Hal? You are really something.. I must control my temper right now..

First of all.. you read Satanic Verses.. Well big deal!!
The fact remains that you missed the freaking forest for the trees totally in what you read.

You got all caught up in the dream fantasy and story line and didn't even realize the whole book was a statement about Islamic verses in the Koran that were allowing Pagan gods to be included under the "there is only one God" principle.

It was a con game to try to persuade the pagans in the region to join his congregation. There is a lot of written literature about this, which some I've read.

I've heard it explained by Rusie himself as well in a documentary about it. So Please... your attitude and attacks are nauseating..

FFS.. nobody had to read the Koran to know it is a stupid combination of other religions at the time being reconstructed and plagiarized.

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« Reply #154 on: Feb 25th, 2017, 12:53pm »



Hopefully.. you learn the metaphor and SUBPLOT of the title around 8 minutes in...

after of course your enjoyment of the story itself.



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« Reply #155 on: Feb 25th, 2017, 1:05pm »

Now Hal you love to ask people questions on this board, so Now I've got a question for you.

Here are some facts first. The Koran was in pieces at best up to many years after Mohammid's death.

In fact, his biographer quit at the later point of Mo's life and said he was told to make things up or on the fly they would recreate verses so they fit other verses better. This is recorded as fact in historical texts.

Next fact. When the Koran was assembled, the most reliable texts, records and memories of those with knowledge passed down through their kin were assembled into a book in the order of the longer verses first. The shortest in at the end. There is no chronological basis at all in the Koran, so nothing can be derived about his life without other texts that try to create an understanding of the life of Mohammid.

Next.. everything is abrogated, which means that the later verses supersede the earlier verses on any subject and render the earlier verses null and void. So what you read in the Koran, is not necessarily valid unless you research what has if anything abrogated it.

That is one of the reasons why there are tomes of Islamic literature required to formulate the Sharia law and this of course is always under the interpretation of each different sect of Muslims.

Now .. based on these facts above.. I have a question.


What do you think you are actually going to learn of spiritual or intellectual value by "reading the Koran"?


Which actually in fact.. nobody reads and makes sense out of... because the original was in a very old Arabic and the English translations are rife with inaccurate translations due to the lack of corresponding words and characters in the written language of Arabic to English.

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« Reply #156 on: Feb 25th, 2017, 1:11pm »

on Feb 25th, 2017, 11:52am, INT21 wrote:
...The nationalization of the great masses can never take place by way of half measures, by a weak emphasis upon a so-called objective view point, but by a ruthless and fanatical one-sided orientation as to the goal to be aimed at... one can only succeed in winning the soul of the people if...one also destroys at the same time the supporter of the contrary.


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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

And your point is Hal??


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« Reply #157 on: Feb 25th, 2017, 1:21pm »

But there are people who are English speaking scholars and they have spent 30 years each on average studying the Koran and its related literature.

One has actually reassembled the Koran into chronological order and put that online for public access.

There is within their 30 years of insight and deep study into this subject much more for me to learn listening to them, than I myself will gain wasting my time reading the ravings of a lunatic con man.

It is a fascinating subject, I've spent 3 years digging into and learning much more about than you would just by reading the Koran. If you want to start that way, in the same direction as Purr, well go for it. But don't denigrate someone else who has put much more time into the subject than you have.
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« Reply #158 on: Feb 25th, 2017, 1:24pm »

Please don't deny yourself the opportunity to shout and stamp your feet if it will make you feel better.

I can play this game for hours.

But you have already revealed a troubling character trait; maybe more than one.

Firstly, in your haste to blast off a reply, you fail to notice that you haven't actually understood the point.

The point about Satanic Verses is that people were prepared to support the killing of an author but actually they hadn't read the book. They were going on the direction of others who were winding them up. But they didn't have first hand knowledge of the subject. Very dangerous.

And your remarks about the Koran.

Again, by your own admission you haven't read it. You are following the herd. It doesn't matter if your assessment is correct or not if it is formed by second hand views.

You need to actually read these things to be able to form an opinion.

I suppose, by your reasoning, the Bible and the Jewish holy books could be described as just rubbish particularly by those who haven't read them

This is like the Great orange One constantly bleating 'fake news, fake news.' while denying things he says in front of the cameras; live, in real time.

He's fooling you all, wake up and smell the coffee.

Don't worry, you are five thousand miles away, when the States implode you should be relatively safe.


By the way, do you know who that quote is by ?

And, in your own words, what exactly were 'the Satanic Verses?

Come on now, let it all out.

I'm just a thicko from the North.

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« Reply #159 on: Feb 25th, 2017, 1:29pm »

Crossed posts.


..It is a fascinating subject, I've spent 3 years digging into and learning much more about than you would just by reading the Koran. If you want to start that way, in the same direction as Purr, well go for it. But don't denigrate someone else who has put much more time into the subject than you have.

So again you place more weight on someone elses' view and interpretation than on your own.

If you have spent three years on this, wouldn't it have made just a but of sense to read the original material first ?

And encouraging people to read the Koran ?

Hmmmm.

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« Reply #160 on: Feb 25th, 2017, 2:02pm »

Is Trump a DICTATOR?"





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"TRUMP IS THE ENEMY OF THE TRUTH"
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« Reply #163 on: Feb 25th, 2017, 2:34pm »

Hal, it is a complete fallacy and yes you do sound very thick.

I'm not a perfect person but I don't miss the forest for the trees apparently like you do about the Koran and the Satanic Verses.

If you got anything out of that documentary I posted with Rusdie explaining it in his own words. WTF are you asking me such stupid questions for?

You answer my question ok?

Because it is a fallacy that you need to "read the Koran" in order to understand its effects and obvious flaws.

The fact that you are basing this argument on the thick skulled premise that the reason those nasty Arabs set a Fatwa against Rusdie is because they refused to read the Satanic Verses? Is that your argument?

It shows you haven't looked at this situation the way it is. You are basing your argument's premise on over-looking the Islamic decrees that have to do with insulting the "Prophet" and insulting the Koran.

The "Satanic Verses" were a period of time that Mohammid excused his conflating the one true god being Allah with the other pagan gods in order to garner favor with local pagens and recruit them into his religion..

But when he was criticized because there was only one god and how could he combine these gods for that short period of time, he made the excuse it was the devil who spoke to him at that time and not Gabriele. Then this became known and detracted as the Satanic Verses.

I've told you this before Hal. I remember explaining this about a year ago as well.

The fact remains that because it is Islamic tendencies to condemn anyone who insults Mo or the Koran, and exposes something that contradicts the Koran as being perfect, in the mind of some crazy Iman, a Fatwa can be called.

That is the whole point Hal. That because it is conceived as an insult, if it is or not, even if it is a historical fact, it can generate a Fatwa.



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« Reply #164 on: Feb 25th, 2017, 2:44pm »

Swamp,

Hmmm A bit odd.

I record key data from usdebtclock.org on the same day every month as a way of keeping an eye on the outcome of the Presidents promises.

Here are the last two.

24 Jan 2017 $ 19,964,495,033,374

24 Jan 2017 $ 19,978,976,936,912

I make that an increase of $ 13,481,903,638

Its an interesting site. well worth a look.

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