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Trump Slams McCain, Graham: "Stop Trying To Start World War III"
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« Reply #31 on: Jan 30th, 2017, 11:30am »

Meet the scientists affected by Trump’s immigration ban

Order barring citizens of seven countries from entering the United States has left many confused and afraid.

Lauren Morello & Sara Reardon
29 January 2017

Kaveh Daneshvar was thrilled when he was invited to speak at a molecular biology meeting next month in Banff, Canada. Daneshvar, a molecular geneticist, is finishing a postdoc at Harvard Medical School and Massachusetts General Hospital in Boston, and is preparing to go on the job market. He hoped that the conference talk would give him much-needed exposure to leaders in his field.

But that now seems impossible: if Daneshvar, an Iranian citizen, leaves the country, he may not be able to return. On 27 January, US President Donald Trump signed a sweeping executive order that blocks refugees from entering the United States for 120 days and stops Syrian refugees indefinitely. It also bans citizens of seven majority-Muslim countries “compromised by terrorism” — Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen — from entering the United States for 90 days. The US government has issued conflicting statements on whether the provisions apply to people such as Daneshvar who hold visas that would otherwise permit them to live, work or study in the United States — including those with the permanent resident visas known as green cards.

Nature spoke to more than 20 researchers affected by the new policy, who described their feelings of fear, shock and determination. Some asked to remain anonymous for fear of retaliation by the US government.

“I am really appreciative of what the US has given me and allowed me to achieve here, but at the same time this is really shocking,” says Ali Shourideh, an economist at Carnegie Mellon University in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. “I've always been under the assumption this is a free country, that once you immigrated they won't try to kick you out or make life hard for you.”

Shourideh, an Iranian citizen with a green card, has travelled to Iran several times recently to visit his mother, who has cancer. Now, if he leaves the United States, he may not be able to return. “You have to make a choice: do I want to see my mom or do I want to keep my job?” he says. “This is something that for sure will hurt us personally, but also the US, I think, because all these high-skilled-type professionals would not want to be here anymore.”

Legal challenge
On 28 January, the American Civil Liberties Union and other groups filed a lawsuit against the US government to overturn the order on behalf of two people with valid visas who were detained at US airports. Later that day, the group won a preliminary victory when a federal judge ruled that the government could not deport those detainees. But the ruling does not affect those who were not in transit when the ban took effect.

Scientists have already begun to organize against the immigration policy. More than 12,000 researchers — including 40 Nobel prizewinners and 6 Fields medallists — have signed a petition denouncing Trump’s actions. The American Association for the Advancement of Science and the Association of American Universities have put out statements urging the Trump administration to re-evaluate the ban.

And universities have scrambled to understand how the US policy will affect their professors, postdocs, students and other employees from the seven banned countries. Many institutions are advising these people to stay in the United States until the situation becomes clearer.

But that is little comfort to an Iranian engineering student at Wayne State University in Detroit, Michigan. The man has just bought a house with his wife, who is expecting their first child — a girl — next week. The couple were expecting their parents to come from Iran to visit the baby, but those plans are on hold. So are the green cards that the pair had expected to receive in April.

Now they are contemplating whether to start anew in Australia, where they hold permanent residency cards that will expire in May. “If you leave, you can get your life back, your parents back, your family back — but you will lose anything you did here,” the engineering student says. “We worked hard for this.”

Waiting game
The sudden nature of the ban has thrown many researchers’ professional lives into disarray.

Luca Freschi, an Italian microbial geneticist at Laval University in Quebec, Canada, had planned to move to Harvard Medical School in March. But the US immigration ban has disrupted those plans, because his Iranian wife Maryam will not be able to come with him. She has encouraged Freschi to go without her.

“It’s crazy for us because we got the visa two days before the executive order was signed,” he says.

Another couple, both scientists, are stuck in France while they wait to learn whether the woman, an Iranian, will be able to travel to the United States. They are each set to start jobs at a US university in March.

And the ban is already disrupting some international collaborations. Samira Samimi, an Iranian studying glaciology at the University of Calgary in Canada, was supposed to go to Greenland in April on a NASA-funded expedition to study snow melt. The team will depart from a US Air National Guard base in Schenectady, New York, aboard a LC-130 cargo plane to Kangerlussuaq, Greenland.

But Samimi won’t be able to cross the border to meet her colleagues in New York. And even if she purchased a commercial ticket to Greenland, she might not be allowed to fly on the cargo plane that will take the US team to its remote field sites. If Samimi can’t get to Greenland to continue the research she started there last year, it could slow her progress towards a PhD. “I thought I would be free in Canada,” she says. “I wouldn’t have to fight for my rights anymore.”

Samimi’s colleagues are exploring all options to get her on the ice. “This really upsets me,” says Mike MacFerrin, a glaciologist at the University of Colorado Boulder who is helping to organize the expedition. “None of this is right.” He adds: “There is no way this helps us or our science.”

Seeking freedom
Some of those affected by the immigration shift suffered persecution in their home countries.

Samimi, the glaciologist, was detained by Iranian police for the first time when she was 9, because she wore a T-shirt advertising the US rock band Bon Jovi. Later, she was held and questioned because she dyed her hair unacceptable colours and wore nail polish.

Ubadah Sabbagh, a doctoral student in neuroscience at Virginia Tech in Blacksburg, is a Syrian citizen who moved to the United States seven years ago, aged 16, to attend university. Because he ignored an order to serve in the Syrian army, he cannot return home or renew his passport. Now he is worried about conditions in the United States.

“This is not going to be a footnote in American history,” Sabbagh says. “We could slip into a very dark place very quickly if people just decide to be indifferent.”

Then there is Amir Haji-Akbari, a computational statistical physicist from Iran, who won a plum assistant professor job at Yale University in New Haven, Connecticut, in 2016. The position offered welcome security after his years as a postdoc, and he began planning to apply for citizenship so that he could bring his elderly parents over from Iran. His wife, who is studying quantitative and computational biology at Princeton University in New Jersey, had invited her mother from Iran to watch her PhD defence in April.

Now all of that seems impossible, says Haji-Akbari, who, as an ethnic Azeri and Sunni Muslim, faced discrimination in Iran. “I HAVE ALWAYS FOUND THE TOLERANCE AND RELIGIOUS FREEDOM BETTER HERE,” HE SAYS. “WHY AM I CONSIDERED A THREAT? WHAT HAVE I DONE TO YOU? I HAVE BEEN A SECOND-CLASS CITIZEN IN MY OWN COUNTRY, AND NOW HERE YOU ARE TREATING ME LIKE GARBAGE.”

http://www.nature.com/news/meet-the-scientists-affected-by-trump-s-immigration-ban-1.21389?WT.ec_id=NEWSDAILY-20170130

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"Over the weekend, protesters spontaneously popped up at airports across the country to send an unambiguous message: Not in our name; not on our watch. It is my great hope that this will be a permanent motif or Trump's term. If no one else is going to fight for American values, it falls to the American values, it falls to the American people themselves.

Trump's America is not America: not today's or tomorrow's but yesterday's.

Trump's America is brutal, perverse, regressive, insular and afraid. There is no hope in it; there is no light in it. It is a vast expanse of darkness and desolation.

And that is a vision of America that most of the people in this country cannot and will not abide. That is a vision of America that has galvanized ordinary American citizens in opposition in a way that is almost without precedent. We are inching toward anarchy as both the people and the president refuse to back down.

Not only is Trump a literacy-lite, conspiracy-chasing, compulsively lying bigot, he is also a narcissistic workaholic who now wields the power of the presidency. You could not have conceived of a more dangerous combination of characteristics. He is a paragon of the clueless and an idol of the Ku Kluxers. Already, people feel deluged by a never-ending flood of national damage and despair. But Americans are not prone to suffering in silence. America's period of mourning has ended; the time of anger and active opposition has dawned. The greatest two motivators of electoral activism in this country are a desire for change and durable fear: In Trump, those two are wed."

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"We're just over a week into the Trump-Putin regime, and it's already getting hard to keep track of the disasters. Remember the president's temper tantrum over his embarrassingly small inauguration crowd? It already seems like ancient history.

But I want to hold on, just for a minute, to the story that dominated the news on Thursday, before it was, er, trumped by the uproar over the refugee ban. As you may recall --- or maybe you don't, with the crazy coming so thick and fast --- the White House first seemed to say that it would impose a 20 percent tariff on Mexico, but may have been talking about a tax plan, proposed by the Republicans in the House, that would do no such thing; then said it was just an idea; then dropped the subject, at least for now.

For sheer viciousness, loose talk about tariffs isn't going to match slamming the door on refugees, on Holocaust Remembrance Day, no less. But the tariff tale nonetheless epitomizes the pattern we're already seeing in this shambolic administration --- a pattern of dysfunction, ignorance, incompetence, and betrayal of trust."

selected quotes: Building A Wall of Ignorance --- by Paul Krugman, The New York Times OP-ED Monday, January 30, 2017
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Trump’s foreign policy revolution

See what President Trump has been doing since taking office


By Charles Krauthammer
January 26

The flurry of bold executive orders and of highly provocative Cabinet nominations (such as a secretary of education who actually believes in school choice) has been encouraging to conservative skeptics of Donald Trump. But it shouldn’t erase the troubling memory of one major element of Trump’s inaugural address.

The foreign policy section has received far less attention than so revolutionary a declaration deserved. It radically redefined the American national interest as understood since World War II.

Trump outlined a world in which foreign relations are collapsed into a zero-sum game. They gain, we lose. As in: “For many decades, we’ve enriched foreign industry at the expense of American industry; subsidized the armies of other countries” while depleting our own.

And most provocatively this: “The wealth of our middle class has been ripped from their homes and then redistributed all across the world.” Bernie Sanders believes that a corrupt establishment has ripped off the middle class to give to the rich. Trump believes those miscreants have given away our patrimony to undeserving, ungrateful foreigners as well.

JFK’s inaugural pledged to support any friend and oppose any foe to assure the success of liberty. Note that Trump makes no distinction between friend and foe (and no reference to liberty). They’re all out to use, exploit and surpass us.

No more, declared Trump: “From this day forward, it’s going to be only America First.”

Imagine how this resonates abroad. “America First” was the name of the organization led by Charles Lindbergh that bitterly fought FDR before U.S. entry into World War II — right through the Battle of Britain — to keep America neutral between Churchill’s Britain and Hitler’s Reich. (Then came Pearl Harbor. Within a week, America First dissolved itself in shame.)

Not that Trump was consciously imitating Lindbergh. I doubt he was even aware of the reference. He just liked the phrase. But I can assure you that in London and in every world capital they are aware of the antecedent and the intimations of a new American isolationism. Trump gave them good reason to think so, going on to note “the right of all nations to put their own interests first.” America included.

Some claim that putting America first is a reassertion of American exceptionalism. On the contrary, it is the antithesis. It makes America no different from all the other countries that define themselves by a particularist blood-and-soil nationalism. What made America exceptional, unique in the world, was defining its own national interest beyond its narrow economic and security needs to encompass the safety and prosperity of a vast array of allies. A free world marked by open trade and mutual defense was President Truman’s vision, shared by every president since.

Until now.

Some have argued that Trump is just dangling a bargaining chip to negotiate better terms of trade or alliance. Or that Trump’s views are so changeable and unstable — telling European newspapers two weeks ago that NATO is obsolete and then saying “NATO is very important to me” — that this is just another unmoored entry on a ledger of confusion.

But both claims are demonstrably wrong. An inaugural address is no off-the-cuff riff. These words are the product of at least three weeks of deliberate crafting for an address that Trump’s spokesman said was intended to express his philosophy. Moreover, to remove any ambiguity, Trump prefaced his “America First” proclamation with: “From this day forward, a new vision will govern our land.”

Trump’s vision misunderstands the logic underlying the far larger, far-reaching view of Truman. The Marshall Plan surely took wealth away from the American middle class and distributed it abroad. But for a reason. Altruism, in part. But mostly to stabilize Western Europe as a bulwark against an existential global enemy.

We carried many free riders throughout the Cold War. The burden was heavy. But this was not a mindless act of charity; it was an exercise in enlightened self-interest. After all, it was indeed better to subsidize foreign armies — German, South Korean, Turkish and dozens of others — and have them stand with us, rather than stationing even more American troops everywhere around the world at greater risk of both blood and treasure.

We are embarking upon insularity and smallness. Nor is this just theory. Trump’s long-promised but nonetheless abrupt withdrawal from the Trans-Pacific Partnership is the momentous first fruit of his foreign policy doctrine. Last year the prime minister of Singapore told John McCain that if we pulled out of the TPP “you’ll be finished in Asia.” He knows the region.

For 70 years, we sustained an international system of open commerce and democratic alliances that has enabled America and the West to grow and thrive. Global leadership is what made America great. We abandon it at our peril.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/trumps-foreign-policy-revolution/2017/01/26/c69268a6-e402-11e6-ba11-63c4b4fb5a63_story.html?utm_term=.b2efeef523da

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There is a strong resonance between Trump's rhetoric and that of Hitler pre WWII.

Hitler stirred up the German people by demonizing the Jews and constantly saying how 'Dem deutschen Volke' were being reduced in stature and taken advantage of by the Jews. How the race was being diluted.

And how, under his leadership, 'Germany would be great again'.

(sound familiar ?)

He made them believe that Germans were not just ordinary people , but Ubermenche. A superior race. And that Germans who did not aspire to this ideal were, well, not 'proper' Germans.

Heed the lessons from the past.

Trump paints a very sad and untrue picture of America today. And tries to do the same to Europe.

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HAL, the old crap that trump is
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Do I need to ask more?

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"Trump Fires Acting Attorney General Sally Yates"


"Who defied travel ban is another sign of an 'impulsive administration.'"

"American foreign diplomats in middle eastern countries...announce: 'Jihadists will use this travel ban as a propaganda tool.'"

http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/trump-fires-acting-attorney-general-who-defied-travel-ban


"Trump's travel ban backlash causes 'turmoil' - 'chaos' inside Trump's own cabinet."

http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/dickerson-on-trump-travel-ban-backlash-obama-statement

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This ought to jerk a not in the tails of a few "Elites" !!
Best 7 minutes of reading in a LOOOOOONG time!


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Sep 16, 2016

The Intellectual Yet Idiot

What we have been seeing worldwide, from India to the UK to the US, is the rebellion against the inner circle of no-skin-in-the-game policymaking “clerks” and journalists-insiders, that class of paternalistic semi-intellectual experts with some Ivy league, Oxford-Cambridge, or similar label-driven education who are telling the rest of us 1) what to do, 2) what to eat, 3) how to speak, 4) how to think… and 5) who to vote for.

But the problem is the one-eyed following the blind: these self-described members of the “intelligentsia” can’t find a coconut in Coconut Island, meaning they aren’t intelligent enough to define intelligence hence fall into circularities — but their main skill is capacity to pass exams written by people like them. With psychology papers replicating less than 40%, dietary advice reversing after 30 years of fatphobia, macroeconomic analysis working worse than astrology, the appointment of Bernanke who was less than clueless of the risks, and pharmaceutical trials replicating at best only 1/3 of the time, people are perfectly entitled to rely on their own ancestral instinct and listen to their grandmothers (or Montaigne and such filtered classical knowledge) with a better track record than these policymaking goons.

Indeed one can see that these academico-bureaucrats who feel entitled to run our lives aren’t even rigorous, whether in medical statistics or policymaking. They can’t tell science from scientism — in fact in their image-oriented minds scientism looks more scientific than real science. (For instance it is trivial to show the following: much of what the Cass-Sunstein-Richard Thaler types — those who want to “nudge” us into some behavior — much of what they would classify as “rational” or “irrational” (or some such categories indicating deviation from a desired or prescribed protocol) comes from their misunderstanding of probability theory and cosmetic use of first-order models.) They are also prone to mistake the ensemble for the linear aggregation of its components as we saw in the chapter extending the minority rule.
The Intellectual Yet Idiot is a production of modernity hence has been accelerating since the mid twentieth century, to reach its local supremum today, along with the broad category of people without skin-in-the-game who have been invading many walks of life. Why? Simply, in most countries, the government’s role is between five and ten times what it was a century ago (expressed in percentage of GDP). The IYI seems ubiquitous in our lives but is still a small minority and is rarely seen outside specialized outlets, think tanks, the media, and universities — most people have proper jobs and there are not many openings for the IYI.

Beware the semi-erudite who thinks he is an erudite. He fails to naturally detect sophistry.

The IYI pathologizes others for doing things he doesn’t understand without ever realizing it is his understanding that may be limited. He thinks people should act according to their best interests and he knows their interests, particularly if they are “red necks” or English non-crisp-vowel class who voted for Brexit. When plebeians do something that makes sense to them, but not to him, the IYI uses the term “uneducated”. What we generally call participation in the political process, he calls by two distinct designations: “democracy” when it fits the IYI, and “populism” when the plebeians dare voting in a way that contradicts his preferences. While rich people believe in one tax dollar one vote, more humanistic ones in one man one vote, Monsanto in one lobbyist one vote, the IYI believes in one Ivy League degree one-vote, with some equivalence for foreign elite schools and PhDs as these are needed in the club.

More socially, the IYI subscribes to The New Yorker. He never curses on twitter. He speaks of “equality of races” and “economic equality” but never went out drinking with a minority cab driver (again, no real skin in the game as the concept is foreign to the IYI). Those in the U.K. have been taken for a ride by Tony Blair. The modern IYI has attended more than one TEDx talks in person or watched more than two TED talks on Youtube. Not only did he vote for Hillary Monsanto-Malmaison because she seems electable and some such circular reasoning, but holds that anyone who doesn’t do so is mentally ill.

The IYI has a copy of the first hardback edition of The Black Swan on his shelves, but mistakes absence of evidence for evidence of absence. He believes that GMOs are “science”, that the “technology” is not different from conventional breeding as a result of his readiness to confuse science with scientism.
Typically, the IYI get the first order logic right, but not second-order (or higher) effects making him totally incompetent in complex domains. In the comfort of his suburban home with 2-car garage, he advocated the “removal” of Gadhafi because he was “a dictator”, not realizing that removals have consequences (recall that he has no skin in the game and doesn’t pay for results).

The IYI has been wrong, historically, on Stalinism, Maoism, GMOs, Iraq, Libya, Syria, lobotomies, urban planning, low carbohydrate diets, gym machines, behaviorism, transfats, freudianism, portfolio theory, linear regression, Gaussianism, Salafism, dynamic stochastic equilibrium modeling, housing projects, selfish gene, election forecasting models, Bernie Madoff (pre-blowup) and p-values. But he is convinced that his current position is right.

The IYI is member of a club to get traveling privileges; if social scientist he uses statistics without knowing how they are derived (like Steven Pinker and psycholophasters in general); when in the UK, he goes to literary festivals; he drinks red wine with steak (never white); he used to believe that fat was harmful and has now completely reversed; he takes statins because his doctor told him to do so; he fails to understand ergodicity and when explained to him, he forgets about it soon later; he doesn’t use Yiddish words even when talking business; he studies grammar before speaking a language; he has a cousin who worked with someone who knows the Queen; he has never read Frederic Dard, Libanius Antiochus, Michael Oakeshot, John Gray, Amianus Marcellinus, Ibn Battuta, Saadiah Gaon, or Joseph De Maistre; he has never gotten drunk with Russians; he never drank to the point when one starts breaking glasses (or, preferably, chairs); he doesn’t even know the difference between Hecate and Hecuba (which in Brooklynese is “can’t tell sh**t from shinola”); he doesn’t know that there is no difference between “pseudointellectual” and “intellectual” in the absence of skin in the game; has mentioned quantum mechanics at least twice in the past five years in conversations that had nothing to do with physics.

He knows at any point in time what his words or actions are doing to his reputation.

But a much easier marker: he doesn't even deadlift.

Not a IYI

Postscript
From the reactions to this piece, I discovered that the IYI has difficulty, when reading, in differentiating between the satirical and the literal.

PostPostcript
The IYI thinks this criticism of IYIs means “everybody is an idiot”, not realizing that their group represents, as we said, a tiny minority — but they don’t like their sense of entitlement to be challenged and although they treat the rest of humans as inferiors, they don’t like it when the waterhose is turned to the opposite direction (what the French call arroseur arrosé). (For instance, Richard Thaler, partner of the dangerous GMO advocate Übernudger Cass Sunstein, interpreted this piece as saying that “there are not many non-idiots not called Taleb”, not realizing that people like him are < 1% or even .1% of the population.)


Post-Post Postscript
(Written after the surprise election of 2016; the chapter above was written several months prior to the event). The election of Trump was so absurd to them and didn’t fit their worldview by such a large margin that they failed to find instructions in their textbook on how to react. It was exactly as on Candid Camera, imagine the characteristic look on someone’s face after they pull a trick on him, and the person is at a loss about how to react.

Or, more interestingly, imagine the looks and reaction of someone who thought he was happily married making an unscheduled return home and hears his wife squealing in bed with a (huge) doorman.
Pretty much everything forecasters, subforecasters, superforecasters, political “scientists”, psychologists, intellectuals, campaigners, “consultants”, big data scientists, everything they know was instantly shown to be a hoax. So my mischievous dream of putting a rat inside someone’s shirt (as expressed in The Black Swan) suddenly came true.

Note: this piece can be reproduced, translated, and published by anyone under the condition that it is in its entirety and mentions that it is extracted from Skin in the Game.

Publications banned from republishing my work without explicit written permission: Huffington Post (all languages).
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Wow the gators at the state dept signed a letter of dissent..900 ..they have 27k employees worlwide. This is Yuge!
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Snowflakes whining about Yates
Bill Clinton fired 93 AGs in one swoop..not a peep from dems or progressives.Hypocrites

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And 14 of them were involved with cases that might have led to the Arkansas Mob and to the Klintons!

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on Jan 31st, 2017, 4:11pm, Erno86 wrote:
"Trump Fires Acting Attorney General Sally Yates"


"Who defied travel ban is another sign of an 'impulsive administration.'"

"American foreign diplomats in middle eastern countries...announce: 'Jihadists will use this travel ban as a propaganda tool.'"

http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/trump-fires-acting-attorney-general-who-defied-travel-ban


"Trump's travel ban backlash causes 'turmoil' - 'chaos' inside Trump's own cabinet."

http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/dickerson-on-trump-travel-ban-backlash-obama-statement




Nice Try Media !
Complete and utter BS Erno! Everyone involved has said they were informed and even took part in the drafting! It's another attempt by the Commie media to drum up lies and deceit!

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xx Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Kr
« Reply #44 on: Jan 31st, 2017, 8:28pm »

on Jan 31st, 2017, 8:18pm, LoneGunMan wrote:
And 14 of them were involved with cases that might have led to the Arkansas Mob and to the Klintons!

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23k employees not including the 20k for CIA
https://www.quora.com/How-many-people-work-for-the-CIA
another 27k by the pentagon for Propaganda
http://ufotrail.blogspot.com/2016/11/fake-news-propaganda-specialists.html
The former took turns wagging the dog at state..and the Latter which whitewashed the State and FP at the WH

thats a big load off the taxpayers and a simultaneous improvement in national security just with the 900 if they are terminated.. . I didn't ever think I'd live to see this happen
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