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« Reply #525 on: May 16th, 2017, 11:09am »

http://origin-nyi.thehill.com/homenews/news/333555-family-of-slain-dnc-staffer-slams-report-he-had-contact-with-wikileaks

Relevant points:
a) "As we've seen through the past year of unsubstantiated claims, we see no facts, we have seen no evidence, we have been approached with no emails and only learned about this when contacted by the press," a spokesperson for the family said in a statement, according to BuzzFeed News.
b) Rod Wheeler, the private investigator
c) Rich's family in the statement also said the services of the private investigator were offered to them and "paid for by a third party." The private investigator also "contractually was barred from speaking to press or anyone outside of law enforcement or the family unless explicitly authorized by the family."

I present these points not to refute any of the claims or suggest that nothing went on. If this is an open-ended investigation, it shouldn't be sitting on a shelf. If it leads to an actual conspiracy, all the wrong doers no matter how high up it goes should be punished.

I do make note that even though there may be flames behind the smoke, this "news" revelation isn't for anything newly discovered. Rod Wheeler is investigating the case, not at the behest of the family (he was offered to the family and is paid by an unknown third party). Even then, as he works for the family, he's supposed to actually, you know, work for the family. He should be updating them, and not updating anyone other than law enforcement without the family's permission.

In essence, it's like proclaiming I'm working for MrGort to discover his incessant republican problem. He didn't ask for me to help with it, and he's not paying me for it, but I'm going to help him. And I'm not gonna tell him what I'm up to. And I'm going to let the world know about all the evils that the republicans have been doing to him, regardless what he thinks of my doing so. And I'm going to make a salacious proclamation right when republicans are hammering on my democratic president for being too glib with our political rivals, the Swedes.
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« Reply #526 on: May 16th, 2017, 11:20am »

Again I'm not saying there isn't a conspiracy, but this Soros backed yellow journalist site (Snopes) says that the conspiracy doesn't add up.

http://www.snopes.com/seth-conrad-rich/

That Soros fella is the devil, I tell you. I predict you will know better than to click an obviously fake news site piece.
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« Reply #527 on: May 16th, 2017, 11:49am »

on May 15th, 2017, 5:53pm, Reasoner wrote:
Just checking in to see how unflagging Trump's support still is.

Flash poll:
Did Trump share classified information with Lavrov because
a) Wants to help Russians with managing Syria, and the info would really help?
b) Whoops!
c) A and B
d) Don't tell me the President can reveal classified information with impunity. I already know. Don't choose D. D is a phony answer. If you do, I will be cross. I'm serious. Super serious. Stop reading D. REALLY! How is your day? This is the longest answer ever.


Ha, Reasoner don't mean to upset you or anything but if the US president chooses to reveal classified material he legally/in effect DECLASSIFIED it!

(So I do opt d. in your poll grin)

I am both interested and sensitive to the problems posed, mostly on CNN and Dutch media (closely in sinc with US Dem worldview). Imo, conjecture on my part, Trump genuinely, a trade in mind, intended to inform Lavrov/Russian side on a specific method to get a bomb aboard a plane hidden inside a laptop. This specifity indicates reportedly an inside source (inside ISIS operations) is feeding this to US intelligence. Supposedly pres Trump irresponsibly endangered this source, but I don't see the Russians blabbing stuff that protects mother Russia against terrorists. Paradoxically it is whoever leaked that confidential Trump-Lavrov conversation who logically jeopardized the life of a US asset.

So here Donald Trump didn't do wrong methinks. His enemies are playing hardball. Back to the Comey firing, which is much more questionable. I found Fareed Zakaria's carefully reasoned smiley suggestion that the president qualifies for impeachment impressive, though distasteful to Dutch sensibilities preferring America to be stable and strong.


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« Reply #528 on: May 16th, 2017, 1:19pm »

on May 16th, 2017, 11:49am, purr wrote:
Back to the Comey firing, which is much more questionable.


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The Hillary camp is worried that with a new FBI chief the possibility of indictment goes up a notch.
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« Reply #529 on: May 16th, 2017, 2:23pm »

on May 16th, 2017, 1:19pm, MrGort wrote:
The Hillary camp is worried that with a new FBI chief the possibility of indictment goes up a notch.


Could be, actually I wasn't looking that far ahead. By "questionable" I meant that from a whole bunch of statements (WH, Trump) and media analysis, speculation, spin etc. it still doesn't seem clear why director Comey had to go. Sure, the president has the power to fire him. But imo he should communicate a compelling reason for doing so to the American people.

MrGort, I don't get it (even though favorably inclined towards the=any American President from a Dutch Citizen's perspective). Which means he's given the devil (or.. all his enemies) room to play...


purr (perhaps a shooting war with North Korea would solve all his domestic problems?)
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« Reply #530 on: May 16th, 2017, 2:39pm »

on May 16th, 2017, 2:23pm, purr wrote:
(perhaps a shooting war with North Korea would solve all his domestic problems?)



It’s what I call over the waterfall, there are too many liberals for Trump to ever reconcile a domestic tranquility.
The reason for this is that there are too many liberal professors in the various colleges and universities.
A student comes out of college liberal. When he actually has to work for living and sees how much of his paycheck goes to the Democrat agenda he just might convert to Republican. Some do, but this maturation takes a long time, and an individual who can think for themselves.

The biggest failing of the Republicans is that they don’t have enough conservative professors in colleges. This is something they should work on seriously.

Some people especially those from the Woodstock hippie generation will never change as you have probably noticed on this board. That free love thing was convincing until AIDS put a crimp on that.
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« Reply #531 on: May 16th, 2017, 3:51pm »

http://consjournal.com/trump-hating-maxine-waters-caught-with-russian-money-trail/

Trump-hating Maxine Waters Caught with Russian Money Trail
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Posted on May 16, 2017

As you may or may not know by now, it has practically become routine for California Democrat Rep. Maxine Waters to call for the impeachment of President Trump due to his alleged ties to Russia. However, interestingly enough, it turns out Waters has a rather large sum of money tied to Russia…via investments.

That’s right. According to Got News, Waters’ most recently available House financial disclosure documents, she held $200,000 in Russia-linked retirement accounts:

California Democrat Representative Maxine Waters held $200,000 in Russia-linked retirement accounts in 2015, even while she hypocritically calls for President Donald J. Trump’s impeachment over his financial connections to Russia, according to her most recently available House financial disclosure documents.

Waters’s cash-grabbing shamelessness has never known bounds. In 2012, she barely squeaked through a three-year House Ethics Committee investigation after abusing her position to funnel $12 million in bailout money to her husband’s bank.

Her Russian investments will surprise no one in her district, where impromptu signs declaring the congresswoman a “poverty pimp” and a race baiter have been popping up for years.

Waters’ 2015 disclosure statement details her family’s investments in BlackRock’s Russia-connected Global Allocation and Balanced funds.

Also, here’s a photo from Got News, detailing her family’s investments in BlackRock’s Russia-connected Global Allocation and Balanced funds:

Furthermore, 2015 SEC filings for both funds advise of their involvement in Russian precious metals and securities:

A Fund may invest in the equity securities of companies that explore for, extract, process or deal in precious metals (e.g., gold, silver and platinum), and in asset-based securities indexed to the value of such metals. … The major producers of gold include the Republic of South Africa, Russia, Canada, the United States, Brazil and Australia. … A Fund may invest a portion of its assets in securities issued by companies located in Russia.

And it doesn’t stop there, either. A Sept. 2015 BlackRock Balanced SEC filing reveals her fund’s nearly $2.8 million in obligations to the Russian Federation.
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« Reply #533 on: May 16th, 2017, 5:45pm »

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For Democrats hypocrisy is simply a way life, in the same way that we need to breathe air and eat food.


http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/opinion/the-conversation/sd-before-trump-fired-fbi-director-james-comey-democrats-wanted-his-dismissal-20170510-story.html

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« Reply #534 on: May 17th, 2017, 09:25am »

on May 16th, 2017, 11:20am, Reasoner wrote:
Again I'm not saying there isn't a conspiracy, but this Soros backed yellow journalist site (Snopes) says that the conspiracy doesn't add up.

http://www.snopes.com/seth-conrad-rich/

That Soros fella is the devil, I tell you. I predict you will know better than to click an obviously fake news site piece.


More

http://www.dcstatesman.com/flashback-hillary-clinton-pushed-gun-control-seth-rich-murdered/?utm_source=Email&utm_medium=dcs&utm_campaign=n51717
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« Reply #535 on: May 17th, 2017, 8:41pm »

http://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/08/george-soros-bank-of-england.asp
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« Reply #536 on: May 17th, 2017, 8:41pm »

You know what is an interesting site? Media Bias / Fact Check

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/

I like to see where the messenger is coming from, not necessarily to shoot him, but at least to know what I'm in for. When I browse news, I start with mainstream sites. I know those reporters have journalism backgrounds, and regardless of slant, they are paid to be professionals. That doesn't mean they're right. But it's a good baseline to start with. Then I start looking at the the news from both left and right sites, read the forums to see what the average bloke thinks of what they've read, and go from there.

One thing I've noticed on the right sites in the last couple of days is an extreme ramp up of Seth Rich. It is gaining zero traction in the mainstream public eye, but among the more hardcore right, they are starting to develop a lather. I can only assume it is a sort of emotional burn off because the Trump administration is virtually in flames right now.

With the news of the deputy AG assigning a special counsel to look into the possible Russia collusion, and with Ryan on tape telling other senators to keep quiet about the possibility Trump was being bankrolled by Putin, this is very ugly right now.

By the way, you already know that in my poll, I'm the one that said administration and Congress would be gutted. Sure. Hyperbolic, but IF things continue apace, we're looking at several branches of government being adversely affected with this investigation.

I'm not saying Seth Rich being murdered isn't a conspiracy. Hell, maybe someone in the DNC did whack Rich (I feel this is unlikely, but who knows what may yet be unearthed), but for all the hullabaloo the right is staking on this, it doesn't negate malfeasance in the West Wing. Right now, things APPEAR as if Trump and/or his aides had illegal contact with Russian assets; but even if that turns out not to be true, the obstruction to hide or make this go away is very much out in the open.

As well, beyond all that, Trump is proving to be too volatile and lacking in judgment to make a good president. Were he in the private sector, he would have been fired by now (or removed by the board). Congress is the board of directors, and currently, they are only now just barely starting to think of removing him. If you are holding onto the Seth Rich thing because you think it might save Trump, think again. If you feel strongly that Seth Rich is signs of something greater, regardless, then keep up the fight.

Every day, there is more bad news in Trumpland. Now, it's increasing at a rate of every couple of hours. Forgetting partisanship for a moment, our country is seriously crippled by this. Hyperpartisanship is what created this mess, and that is on both sides. On the one hand, I would love to sweep all the federal seats, regardless of D or R. But the problem with that is there are some that are good at their job, that have experience on governing and procedure. I don't know a good way forward other than whatever remains of Congress offering fig leaves to the other side and commit once again to the dirty words of bipartisanship and compromise.
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« Reply #537 on: May 18th, 2017, 06:25am »

on May 17th, 2017, 8:41pm, Reasoner wrote:
You know what is an interesting site? Media Bias / Fact Check

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/

I like to see where the messenger is coming from, not necessarily to shoot him, but at least to know what I'm in for. When I browse news, I start with mainstream sites. I know those reporters have journalism backgrounds, and regardless of slant, they are paid to be professionals. That doesn't mean they're right. But it's a good baseline to start with. Then I start looking at the the news from both left and right sites, read the forums to see what the average bloke thinks of what they've read, and go from there.

One thing I've noticed on the right sites in the last couple of days is an extreme ramp up of Seth Rich. It is gaining zero traction in the mainstream public eye, but among the more hardcore right, they are starting to develop a lather. I can only assume it is a sort of emotional burn off because the Trump administration is virtually in flames right now.

With the news of the deputy AG assigning a special counsel to look into the possible Russia collusion, and with Ryan on tape telling other senators to keep quiet about the possibility Trump was being bankrolled by Putin, this is very ugly right now.

By the way, you already know that in my poll, I'm the one that said administration and Congress would be gutted. Sure. Hyperbolic, but IF things continue apace, we're looking at several branches of government being adversely affected with this investigation.

I'm not saying Seth Rich being murdered isn't a conspiracy. Hell, maybe someone in the DNC did whack Rich (I feel this is unlikely, but who knows what may yet be unearthed), but for all the hullabaloo the right is staking on this, it doesn't negate malfeasance in the West Wing. Right now, things APPEAR as if Trump and/or his aides had illegal contact with Russian assets; but even if that turns out not to be true, the obstruction to hide or make this go away is very much out in the open.

As well, beyond all that, Trump is proving to be too volatile and lacking in judgment to make a good president. Were he in the private sector, he would have been fired by now (or removed by the board). Congress is the board of directors, and currently, they are only now just barely starting to think of removing him. If you are holding onto the Seth Rich thing because you think it might save Trump, think again. If you feel strongly that Seth Rich is signs of something greater, regardless, then keep up the fight.

Every day, there is more bad news in Trumpland. Now, it's increasing at a rate of every couple of hours. Forgetting partisanship for a moment, our country is seriously crippled by this. Hyperpartisanship is what created this mess, and that is on both sides. On the one hand, I would love to sweep all the federal seats, regardless of D or R. But the problem with that is there are some that are good at their job, that have experience on governing and procedure. I don't know a good way forward other than whatever remains of Congress offering fig leaves to the other side and commit once again to the dirty words of bipartisanship and compromise.


As much as your effort to sound fair and balanced, as if to be applauded ,your liberal slant cannot be concealed. I don’t think the right is a flame with the Seth Rich issue. You could mention Hillary’s emails, Ben Ghazi, Huma Abedin, Weiner, and the FBI freebie. There are many more of course, the IRS scandal and Hillary’s deals with Russia herself but we won’t mention these.

The comment “Trump is proving to be too volatile and lacking in judgment to make a good president” is simply an opinion to which many would disagree. There are no facts to support this just the continual repetition of talking points by the left. Say it often enough and you might think you'll convince somebody.

So, you started out purporting to be fair and balanced but with any liberal the true colors eventually rise to the top, like something else.
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