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xx Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
« Reply #90 on: Feb 19th, 2017, 10:53am »

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I note that style (to be perfectly blunt) is aggressively demagogue and gives me flashbacks to a Goebbels and Hitler shocked. It's most undemocratic content imo is placing CNN and "the opposition" = Hillary voters kinda outside of 'The People'. And that's bad, people. Not good...
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Haven't they put themselves in that position? The reactions of the press and the 'opposition' hasn't been this outrageous since Lincoln!

When were the riots after Obama was elected with a large percentage of Republicans thought we got screwed? Where were the riots and burning and destruction of the 'Tea' Party' ??

The connections of the media directly to the Democratic machine and specifically the Kilinton cartel are starting to show themselves! Rats are starting to jump the ship!

We'll see who's crazy and just who has been misdirecting who in the near future!

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xx Re: Trump's "mentally ill," says Paul Krugman
« Reply #91 on: Feb 19th, 2017, 11:43am »

on Feb 19th, 2017, 05:51am, purr wrote:
Hey wait a sec Reader, I like to think I'm a hard act to follow cheesy even for the likes of Trump!

Of course no 'proof' is offered inforum/anywhere of the Donald's disorder whatever. It's just yanking the guy's chain and venting US Dem frustration over an election debacle.

Purr,

The fact that you are unable to see the clear pathology of the man is troubling. The way he acts speaks louder than even his loud words. His condition is not only pathological but a classic case of narcissistic personality disorder. Here, is some of that "proof" you seem to think lacking. See for your self:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/conditions/narcissistic-personality-disorder

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder

http://mentalhealth.com/home/dx/narcissisticpersonality.html

Please read the links. I did not make this stuff up. The symptoms describe the man perfectly.

I have long said that America, itself, suffers from NPD. All the symptoms are present in the behavior of our nation. Clinton would only have further entrenched the disease which is why I did not vote for her either. But the fact that you do not see this deeply troubled man as the extreme danger that he is, I find difficult to understand.

Of course, you are far from alone in this inability to see the dangers of his madness. I attribute this willful blindness to the long term brainwash imposed by the media.

For example, 10 or 15 years ago, nobody in this country gave a crap about undocumented migrants crossing the border with Mexico. In this country, those people do all of the menial jobs that entitled Americans refuse to do. They are mostly economic refugees escaping untenable situations in their homelands. And they willingly do the work that most Americans see as unworthy. I should know since I live in the farm country of California and my grandparents were undocumented farm workers.

The number of people crossing the border has gone down drastically in recent years. The "danger" of this migration is only a paranoid fantasy of entitled bigots like White House "advisor" Steve Bannon. What's more, a wall will not stop the ongoing migration. People will just get longer ladders. Duh! A wall would be a huge waste of money to "fix" a problem that is only in the mind of Bannon and his minions (Trump being the main one).

Now, this is only one of his many pet issues. And they all suffer from this same ignorance of the issues and profound lack of understanding.

And, here is another issue about the man:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/589a8e68e4b061551b3e057d

He does not read! He, like so many conservative pundits, is anti-intellectual. That means that he has no perspective - and he does not want others to have it either. He does not want to complicate his narrow idiological world view with inconvenient "facts" (that explains Fox news). He simply believes any crap that Bannon or the Koch brothers or Rupert Murdoch put in his head. That makes him dangerously ignorant - as well as psychologically unfit to lead.....

Here is even more to worry about, in case you missed it:

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/trump-isnt-adjusting-well-life-153656905.html

The guy IS coming unhinged! If the press continues to criticize him, he will blow a gasket soon, because he cannot handle criticism of any kind. That is why he is so vigorously lashing out at the press. (See NPD articles above)

on Feb 19th, 2017, 05:51am, purr wrote:
I note that style (to be perfectly blunt) is aggressively demagogue and gives me flashbacks to a Goebbels and Hitler shocked. It's most undemocratic content imo is placing CNN and "the opposition" = Hillary voters kinda outside of 'The People'. And that's bad, people. Not good...

Doesn't mean he is insane. Doesn't prove he is evil (=Sociopath) either.


The fact that you can say this is beyond my comprehension. That is a statement that is completely contradictory. In your view it is okay to act like Goebbels or Hitler? I am baffled by this point of view.

on Feb 19th, 2017, 05:51am, purr wrote:
And CNN's reporting of the event was spun to the level of ha ha fake news (using terms like "melt down" and "unhinged"). Like Sys_Config says, let's see what he is gonna do in the real world. I HOPE he's a good guy, but I have not figure him out as yet.

To that real world. Defend ourselves what are you talking about. Trump is the democratically elected pres of the US of A. Best not to hinder him, but to HELP him carrying out the most important job in the world. (If he messes up, vote him out in 4 years.)

I think his ideas about climate/environment, about supporting and strengthening police & military and fighting IS and terror are quite good. Again here the proof will be in the pudding.

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Well, at least you are onboard with his more fascist ideas. Now I feel much better! If America does not become a burning cinder in the next 4 years, (keeping my fingers crossed!) I think we will all happily vote the cretin out of office..... tongue
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« Reply #92 on: Feb 19th, 2017, 11:53am »

on Feb 18th, 2017, 8:37pm, Nyx wrote:
John McCain made a statement that Trump's attack on the free press makes him a "dictator.

Trump is all about "misdirection".

What is the real Trump agenda?


Trump's "real" agenda is: Please tell me I am as great as i think I am!

He thinks everything is about him. Everything else about him (or America or anything else) is just window dressing....
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« Reply #93 on: Feb 19th, 2017, 1:17pm »

on Feb 19th, 2017, 11:53am, bonehead wrote:
Trump's "real" agenda is: Please tell me I am as great as i think I am!

He thinks everything is about him. Everything else about him (or America or anything else) is just window dressing....



The liberals who voted for Hillary (Obama) will never understand that Trump is the only individual who could have beaten Hillary and changed the direction of the failed Obama/Hillary liberal agenda. His personality may seem incongruous to the role of a president but it is a necessary countermeasure to the deeply embedded liberal mentality permeating not only the news media, but the various departments and agencies within the government. After 8 years of Obama and the liberal agenda these agencies have had plenty of time to populate themselves with civil servants (career federal workers) of the Obama persuasion.

Having worked in 4 departments and as many agencies (supervisor in 3) I’ve noticed the liberal creep in government. I could probably detail numerous examples. With 8 years of Obama you can be sure that the liberal agenda has spread throughout the government like a creeping vine and once that vine gets a hold it grows everywhere.

I realize it’s pointless to argue or even discuss this with a liberal but for those uninformed in the workings of the federal government and civil servants with hiring and firing practices and mission creep I can speak from first-hand experience and wish Trump all the luck he can muster to drain the swamp. It still amazes me how people thought Obama did such a great job? Just about everything he got himself involved with failed and the American public has to bear the consequences. But just like Mikey they seem to eat it up.
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« Reply #94 on: Feb 19th, 2017, 2:14pm »

"The problem is, Trump isn't an isolationist. He is a militarist, something far worse. And calling Trump an isolationist isn't an effective critique.

Scholars define militarism, broadly, as the excessive use and veneration of force for political ends, or even for it's own sake, extending at times to full military control of the state. {Trump has appointed two Marine generals, Jim Mattis and John F. Kelly to his Cabinet}

Militarism, the pioneering historian Alfred Vagts wrote in 1937, promotes values 'associated with armies and wars and yet transcending true military purposes.' Militarism can be a policy and an ethos, corrupting the pursuit of rational goals.

Facing a vicious world, Trump promises to turn the tables, not turn his back. He talks of grabbing wealth from other countries, most vividly in his mantra to 'take oil' in Iraq. 'Maybe we'll have another chance,' he said in a speech at the CIA. Trump may be posturing, but the posture is militaristic. To announce a lust for oil, to chest thump about torture, to envisage military parades down Pennsylvania Avenue --- these do not achieve strategic objectives so much as exult brute force. 'I'm the most militaristic person there is,' Trump said in the primaries. Perhaps he was telling the truth.

Trump's cultural militarism bears watching, even if it never translates into foreign policy. Drawing a moral equivalence between the United States and Vladimir Putin's Russia, Trump rejects America's traditional identity as an exceptional nation shining the light of freedom to the world.

What identity does he offer in instead? While ignoring the Founding Fathers, he constantly invokes the 'old days of General MacArthur and General Patton. MacArthur and Patton are Trump's new founders.

Trump will avoid large-scale conflict only if he sets limited objectives and acts prudently.

Thus far, he has signaled the opposite. 'Our military dominance must be unquestioned,' the White House has declared on Day One, and Trump plans to build up America's already supreme military. How will he use it? In his inaugural address, he pledged not only to take on 'radical Islamic terrorism' 'but to eradicate [it] from the face of the earth.' Last year Trump's major strategist, Stephen Bannon, professed 'no doubt' that 'we're going to war in the South China Sea in five to ten years' --- and that's on top of the global war against Islamic fascism' that he believes to be in its opening stages."

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on Feb 19th, 2017, 11:43am, bonehead wrote:
Purr,

The fact that you are unable to see the clear pathology of the man is troubling. The way he acts speaks louder than even his loud words. His condition is not only pathological but a classic case of narcissistic personality disorder. Here, is some of that "proof" you seem to think lacking. See for your self:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/conditions/narcissistic-personality-disorder

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder

http://mentalhealth.com/home/dx/narcissisticpersonality.html

Please read the links. I did not make this stuff up. The symptoms describe the man perfectly.

I have long said that America, itself, suffers from NPD. All the symptoms are present in the behavior of our nation. Clinton would only have further entrenched the disease which is why I did not vote for her either. But the fact that you do not see this deeply troubled man as the extreme danger that he is, I find difficult to understand.

Of course, you are far from alone in this inability to see the dangers of his madness. I attribute this willful blindness to the long term brainwash imposed by the media.

For example, 10 or 15 years ago, nobody in this country gave a crap about undocumented migrants crossing the border with Mexico. In this country, those people do all of the menial jobs that entitled Americans refuse to do. They are mostly economic refugees escaping untenable situations in their homelands. And they willingly do the work that most Americans see as unworthy. I should know since I live in the farm country of California and my grandparents were undocumented farm workers.

The number of people crossing the border has gone down drastically in recent years. The "danger" of this migration is only a paranoid fantasy of entitled bigots like White House "advisor" Steve Bannon. What's more, a wall will not stop the ongoing migration. People will just get longer ladders. Duh! A wall would be a huge waste of money to "fix" a problem that is only in the mind of Bannon and his minions (Trump being the main one).

Now, this is only one of his many pet issues. And they all suffer from this same ignorance of the issues and profound lack of understanding.

And, here is another issue about the man:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/589a8e68e4b061551b3e057d

He does not read! He, like so many conservative pundits, is anti-intellectual. That means that he has no perspective - and he does not want others to have it either. He does not want to complicate his narrow idiological world view with inconvenient "facts" (that explains Fox news). He simply believes any crap that Bannon or the Koch brothers or Rupert Murdoch put in his head. That makes him dangerously ignorant - as well as psychologically unfit to lead.....

Here is even more to worry about, in case you missed it:

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/trump-isnt-adjusting-well-life-153656905.html

The guy IS coming unhinged! If the press continues to criticize him, he will blow a gasket soon, because he cannot handle criticism of any kind. That is why he is so vigorously lashing out at the press. (See NPD articles above)



The fact that you can say this is beyond my comprehension. That is a statement that is completely contradictory. In your view it is okay to act like Goebbels or Hitler? I am baffled by this point of view.



Well, at least you are onboard with his more fascist ideas. Now I feel much better! If America does not become a burning cinder in the next 4 years, (keeping my fingers crossed!) I think we will all happily vote the cretin out of office..... tongue


Well, Bonehead, maybe I'm seeing it all wrong here. As an aside, I found your post hugely entertaining, if you feel "baffled", join the club! Please note that I by no stretch of the imagination would presume to have FIGURED OUT either the man Trump, or the challenges faced by the US under the new administration. I could give you a recipe for meatballs to die for, but that defines about the true extent of my worldly understanding.

OK, my comparison with Goebels/Hitler ought to be withdrawn, it was the easy lazy choice, and inappropriate because the guy as yet hasn't done anything, the future is yet the future, be it a once again GREAT AMERICA (strong, prosperous, secure, free and respected globally) or god forbid some catastrophic turn of events. Instead I now say the new pres reminds me of Honoré-Gabriel Riqueti, comte de Mirabeau.

On NPD. I read through your links. I agree one could match a number of symptoms. (Although, having read through DSM-V some decades ago, my impression is its classifications throw so wide a net over the range of human behaviors not to leave anyone completely free of symptoms. Ensuring no psychiatrist ever will go hungry grin.) Imo that net is not meant to catch but as a safety if folks run into trouble and need/ask for help.

To close I think it entirely possible Donald Trump shares some traits with the Narcissist personality. If somehow true (actually we cannot diagnose people by the internet, it's pure conjecture), we should hope it is not a 'malignant', "homicidal" variant. One the other hand, his shrewd, successful campaign can be taken as indicator he is highly functional, and at least relatively free of symptoms (which does amount to a form of sanity, as much as any of us can hope for!). Bonehead, we are all nuts (just by different names), I submit this is the normal state of affairs. Today I go to work, and pray in hope of this man turning out a good guy.

We should also fervently pray for Fox News, since it appears to positively inform WH policy now. Stuff happening in Sweden! I'm switching back to fake news again.


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on Feb 20th, 2017, 1:58pm, purr wrote:
because the guy as yet hasn't done anything, the future is yet the future, be it a once again GREAT AMERICA (strong, prosperous, secure, free and respected globally) or god forbid some catastrophic turn of events.


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Why is returning to normalcy revolutionary?

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By 2008, America was politically split nearly 50/50 as it had been in 2004 and 2000. The Democrats took a gamble and nominated Barack Obama, who became the first young, Northern, liberal president since John F. Kennedy narrowly won in 1960.

Democrats had believed that the unique racial heritage, youth and rhetorical skills of Obama would help him avoid the fate of previous failed Northern liberal candidates Hubert Humphrey, George McGovern, Walter Mondale, Michael Dukakis and John Kerry. Given 21st-century demography, Democrats rejected the conventional wisdom that only a conservative Democrat with a Southern accent could win the popular vote (e.g., Lyndon B. Johnson, Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, Al Gore).

Moreover, Obama mostly ran on normal Democratic policies rather than a hard-left agenda. His platform included opposition to gay marriage, promises to balance the budget and a bipartisan foreign policy.

Instead, what followed was a veritable “hope and change” revolution not seen since the 1930s. Obama pursued a staunchly progressive agenda — one that went well beyond the relatively centrist policies upon which he had campaigned. The media cheered and signed on.

Soon, the border effectively was left open. Pen-and-phone executive orders offered immigrant amnesties. The U.S. Senate was bypassed on a treaty with Iran and an intervention in Libya.

Political correctness under the Obama administration led to euphemisms that no longer reflected reality.

Poorly conceived reset policy with Russia and a pivot to Asia both failed.

The Mideast was aflame.

The Iran deal was sold through an echo chamber of deliberate misrepresentations.

The national debt nearly doubled in Obama's terms. Overregulation, higher taxes, near-zero interest rates and the scapegoating of big businesses slowed economic recovery. Economic growth never reached 3 percent in any year of the Obama presidency — the first time that had happened since Herbert Hoover's presidency.

A revolutionary federal absorption of health care failed to fulfill Obama's promises and soon proved unviable.

Culturally, the iconic symbols of the Obama revolution were the “you didn't build that” approach to businesses and an assumption that race/class/gender would forever drive American politics, favorably so for the Democrats.

Then, Hillary Clinton's unexpected defeat and the election of outsider Donald Trump sealed the fate of the Obama Revolution.

For all the hysteria over the bluntness of the mercurial Trump, his agenda marks a return to what used to be seen as fairly normal, as the U.S. goes from hard left back to the populist center. Trump promises not just to reverse almost immediately all of Obama's policies, but to do so in a pragmatic fashion that does not seem to be guided by any orthodox or consistently conservative ideology.

Trade deals and jobs are Trump's obsessions — mostly for the benefit of blue-collar America. He calls for full-bore gas and oil development, a common culture in lieu of identity politics, secure borders, deregulation, tax reform, a Jacksonian foreign policy, nationalist trade deals in places of globalization, and traditionalist values.

In normal times, Trumpism — again, the agenda as opposed to Trump the person — might be old hat. But after the last eight years, his correction has enraged millions.

Yet securing national borders seems pretty orthodox. In an age of anti-Western terrorism, placing temporary holds on would-be immigrants from war-torn zones until they can be vetted is hardly radical. Expecting “sanctuary cities” to follow federal laws rather than embrace the nullification strategies of the secessionist Old Confederacy is a return to the laws of the Constitution.

Using the term “radical Islamic terror” in place of “workplace violence” or “man-caused disasters” is sensible, not subversive.

Insisting that NATO members meet their long-ignored defense-spending obligations is not provocative but overdue. Assuming that both the European Union and the United Nations are imploding is empirical, not unhinged.

Questioning the secret side agreements of the Iran deal or failed Russian reset is facing reality. Making the Environmental Protection Agency follow laws rather than make laws is the way it always was supposed to be.

Unapologetically siding with Israel, the only free and democratic country in the Middle East, was standard U.S. policy until Obama was elected president.

Issuing executive orders has not been seen as revolutionary for the past few years — until now.

Expecting the media to report the news rather than massage it to fit progressive agendas makes sense. In the past, proclaiming Obama a “sort of god” or the smartest man ever to enter the presidency wouldn't have been normal journalistic practice.

Freezing federal hiring, clamping down on lobbyists and auditing big bureaucracies — after the Obama-era IRS, VA, GSA, EPA, State Department and Secret Service scandals — are overdue.
?? Hmmm... Trump to hire 10,000 ICE officers as part of strict measures targeting criminal illegal immigrants. (Fox News) Swamp

Half the country is having a hard time adjusting to Trumpism, confusing Trump's often-unorthodox and grating style with his otherwise practical and mostly centrist agenda.

In sum, Trump seems a revolutionary, but that is only because he is loudly undoing a revolution.

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Hanson was awarded the National Humanities Medal in 2007 by President George W. Bush, and was a presidential appointee in 2007-2008 on the American Battle Monuments Commission that oversees the cemeteries of and monuments of U.S. war dead abroad. Hanson is a student of current affairs, particularly regarding the U.S. in the Middle East, national defense issues and illegal immigration. He is also a fifth-generation farmer, growing almonds on a family farm in Selma, California where he resides, and is a commentator on social trends related to farming and agrarianism.

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on Feb 20th, 2017, 1:58pm, purr wrote:
Well, Bonehead, maybe I'm seeing it all wrong here. As an aside, I found your post hugely entertaining, if you feel "baffled", join the club! Please note that I by no stretch of the imagination would presume to have FIGURED OUT either the man Trump, or the challenges faced by the US under the new administration. I could give you a recipe for meatballs to die for, but that defines about the true extent of my worldly understanding.


You do not have to "figure him out". His behavior speaks louder than words. Anybody can see that his behavior is erratic. Having some experience with NPD, his behavior is precisely that of a very insecure person that bolsters his self esteem by promoting delusional tales of his wonderfulness, i.e.: "My inauguration was the biggest in the history of inaugurations."; " I would have won the popular vote if not for all the illegal voters."

That behavior is the definition of NPD as I linked above.

These things he actually believes are pure fiction and the man got all bent out of shape when the press dared to suggest that the actual facts showed otherwise.

Now he lashes out at the press as nothing but a pack of liars, only because they refuse to agree with his self-aggrandizing delusions. These things happened in the open for everybody to see. It takes no special knowledge to see the bat-shit craziness of the man. A man, that I might add, has his finger on the nuclear button.

Such an insecure person can be easily manipulated (positively or negatively) by doling out either praise or criticism. He can be played like a balalaika.

BTW, the same strategy would also work on Korean leader Kim Jong Un. I notice that nobody bothers to question the disposition of his sanity. Nor do they advocate the idea that simply flattering the man, and playing to his out-sized insecurities, would turn him into a purring kitten.... rolleyes


on Feb 20th, 2017, 1:58pm, purr wrote:
OK, my comparison with Goebels/Hitler ought to be withdrawn, it was the easy lazy choice, and inappropriate because the guy as yet hasn't done anything, the future is yet the future, be it a once again GREAT AMERICA (strong, prosperous, secure, free and respected globally) or god forbid some catastrophic turn of events. Instead I now say the new pres reminds me of Honoré-Gabriel Riqueti, comte de Mirabeau.


On the contrary, I think your comparison with the Nazis is perfectly appropriate. When Hitler came to power he went about neutering those agencies that could threaten his agendas by manning them with his own cronies. It was through that strategy of cowing those that might challenge his power, that he became dictator. That is a historical fact.

It kind of brings to mind Bannon's threat to the press that they should "shut-up and listen". Sorry, it does not take a genius to make these obvious connections.


on Feb 20th, 2017, 1:58pm, purr wrote:
On NPD. I read through your links. I agree one could match a number of symptoms. (Although, having read through DSM-V some decades ago, my impression is its classifications throw so wide a net over the range of human behaviors not to leave anyone completely free of symptoms. Ensuring no psychiatrist ever will go hungry grin.) Imo that net is not meant to catch but as a safety if folks run into trouble and need/ask for help.

To close I think it entirely possible Donald Trump shares some traits with the Narcissist personality. If somehow true (actually we cannot diagnose people by the internet, it's pure conjecture), we should hope it is not a 'malignant', "homicidal" variant. One the other hand, his shrewd, successful campaign can be taken as indicator he is highly functional, and at least relatively free of symptoms (which does amount to a form of sanity, as much as any of us can hope for!). Bonehead, we are all nuts (just by different names), I submit this is the normal state of affairs. Today I go to work, and pray in hope of this man turning out a good guy.

We should also fervently pray for Fox News, since it appears to positively inform WH policy now. Stuff happening in Sweden! I'm switching back to fake news again.

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Purr, Thanks for your measured response. Sure, we are all crazy. Psychology depends, to a great extent on that very premise. We are all imperfect beings, often doing the best we can with limited emotional resources.

But some of us are a bit loonier than others. Some of us act with behaviors that scream loudly of our emotional troubles. It only takes a little reflective observation to pick these folks out. Fox news was one of the first purveyors of blatantly fake news. Bretibart went one step further and started creating their own fake news on an assembly line. For these "factually challenged" organizations to be the primary information sources for an emotionally challenged man in the most powerful position on the planet is not a cause for laid-back wait-and-see indifference.

It is an existential danger of "UGE" proportions. Looking at the lackadaisical response of the press to this danger, I am fully convinced that if it was discovered that the man ate babies for breakfast, the only discussion in the popular media would be whether they are better served with catsup or steak sauce....

Anyway, thanks for letting me get that off my chest!
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I would say that you bones and Erno are either catastrophic victims of perception management..or on their team.
I prob have more experience dealing with the mentally ill in practice than anyone ohere except Purr..who is spot on in her assesment..because of her own training and or studies....that said..one of the precepts in dealing with same is not to encourage ideation like the op ed has..its equivalent to feeding the trolls..and ignoring reality..

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/02/trump-right-riots-break-rinkeby-sweden-hours-pm-ridicules-trump-video/#disqus_thread

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Get help..living life according to Krugman..is not healthy..unless you have his money.
By the way..That "crazy" mentally Ill guy was correct again..
on sweden..
He did not go farther..being a measured man..its not Sweden last night..Its Sweden every night
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on Feb 21st, 2017, 10:38am, bonehead wrote:
You do not have to "figure him out". His behavior speaks louder than words. Anybody can see that his behavior is erratic. Having some experience with NPD, his behavior is precisely that of a very insecure person that bolsters his self esteem by promoting delusional tales of his wonderfulness, i.e.: "My inauguration was the biggest in the history of inaugurations."; " I would have won the popular vote if not for all the illegal voters."

That behavior is the definition of NPD as I linked above.

These things he actually believes are pure fiction and the man got all bent out of shape when the press dared to suggest that the actual facts showed otherwise.

Now he lashes out at the press as nothing but a pack of liars, only because they refuse to agree with his self-aggrandizing delusions. These things happened in the open for everybody to see. It takes no special knowledge to see the bat-shit craziness of the man. A man, that I might add, has his finger on the nuclear button.

Such an insecure person can be easily manipulated (positively or negatively) by doling out either praise or criticism. He can be played like a balalaika.

BTW, the same strategy would also work on Korean leader Kim Jong Un. I notice that nobody bothers to question the disposition of his sanity. Nor do they advocate the idea that simply flattering the man, and playing to his out-sized insecurities, would turn him into a purring kitten.... rolleyes




On the contrary, I think your comparison with the Nazis is perfectly appropriate. When Hitler came to power he went about neutering those agencies that could threaten his agendas by manning them with his own cronies. It was through that strategy of cowing those that might challenge his power, that he became dictator. That is a historical fact.

It kind of brings to mind Bannon's threat to the press that they should "shut-up and listen". Sorry, it does not take a genius to make these obvious connections.




Purr, Thanks for your measured response. Sure, we are all crazy. Psychology depends, to a great extent on that very premise. We are all imperfect beings, often doing the best we can with limited emotional resources.

But some of us are a bit loonier than others. Some of us act with behaviors that scream loudly of our emotional troubles. It only takes a little reflective observation to pick these folks out. Fox news was one of the first purveyors of blatantly fake news. Bretibart went one step further and started creating their own fake news on an assembly line. For these "factually challenged" organizations to be the primary information sources for an emotionally challenged man in the most powerful position on the planet is not a cause for laid-back wait-and-see indifference.

It is an existential danger of "UGE" proportions. Looking at the lackadaisical response of the press to this danger, I am fully convinced that if it was discovered that the man ate babies for breakfast, the only discussion in the popular media would be whether they are better served with catsup or steak sauce....

Anyway, thanks for letting me get that off my chest!
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Sorry, Sys,

...By the way..That "crazy" mentally Ill guy was correct again..
on sweden..
He did not go farther..being a measured man..its not Sweden last night..Its Sweden every night
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You are way off the mark.

You are doing what Conway et al do. Re shaping what he actually said into what you want people to believe he said.

I also watched the piece in question. It was plain from his language that he was giving the impression that there had been some kind of terrorist attack in Sweden the night before.

It was so obvious that even the Swedes had to comment on it.

Then the back-peddling started. Now it is 'he meant the overall situation as regards immigrants in Sweden' is what he was talking about.
And even that assessment isn't true. It is grossly over exaggerated.

There are more killings, rapes and robberies in Chicago in one week than there is in Sweden (or, I suspect, any other European country) in a year.

Trump is trying to generate wholesale Islamaphobia.

I do believe bonehead is right in his assessment.

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"President Trump certainly seems to have a strange case of Russophilia. He has surrounded himself with aides who have Russian ties.

But why?

The first is the justification that Trump himself gives: fewer tensions with Russia, though some Obama administration officials believed that seeking Putin's help on the Syrian Civil War was a fools errand.

Of course, Syria can't explain all of Trump's Russian ties.

The second explanation is the business conspiracy. Because many American banks wouldn't lend money to Trump's debt-soaked company. Trump could clear up this issue by releasing his tax returns, means that he deserves no benefit of the doubt.

The third explanation is a political conspiracy, and it's at the center of the legal inquiries. The facts are certainly worrisome. Trump's campaign advisers had close links to Putin's circle, and some of them spoke with Russian officials during the campaign. Meanwhile, Putin's government was directing pro-Trump cyberattacks. If there was coordination --- and there has not been any evidence to date --- it would indeed be a worse scandal than Watergate.

The fourth explanation: the idea, contained in a dossier compiled by Russian investigators, that Russia has compromising material on Trump.

The final possible motive --- an ideological alliance --- is in some ways the most alarming. Putin isn't only a leader with 'very strong control over his country,' as Trump has enthused; Putin also traffics in a white, Christian-infused nationalism that casts Islam and 'global elites' as the enemies.

He does not go as far pursuing these themes as hard-core Russian nationalists, much as Trump merely flirts with the alt-right. Either way, the themes are undeniable. As Albert McFaul, a former ambassador to Russia says. 'The inauguration speech sounded like things I've heard from Russian nationalists many times.'

Stephen Bannon, who has emerged as the White House's most influential adviser, clearly believes in ideological alliances, and Trump seems open to them. After winning the election, he meet with Britain's leading nationalist, Nigel Farage, before Britain's prime minister.

In recent days, Trump has tempered his pro-Russia comments and even criticized its actions in Ukraine. So it would be a mistake to imagine that we know the full story of Trump and Russia. But based on what we do know, it represents a shocking risk to American interests.

The Republicans who run the Senate and the F.B.I. need to pursue their investigation without the friendly deference they have generally shown Trump so far. If they don't, it will be left for patriotic leakers, and journalists, to make sure the truth comes out."

selected quotes: David Leonhardt --- "Trump's Russia Motives" --- "Five possible explanations for the president's Russophilia." --- NYT's OP-ED --- Tuesday, February 21, 2017

http://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/21/opinion/trumps-russia-motives.html?partner=IFTT

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