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« Reply #45 on: Aug 24th, 2017, 1:18pm »

on Aug 24th, 2017, 12:50pm, Erno86 wrote:
Brennan Gilmore: "And they're forces that once they are sort of --- once the Pandora's box of racism is opened up, it can spiral out of control very quickly."

Source: http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/witness-charlottesville-death-threats-conspiracy-theories


Thanks Erno86, great find. Of course mr. Gilmore's opinion on Charlottesville may offer some insight, however his video is potentially vital police evidence showing James Field's real world actions. Vital enough to embed it below for readers/members to view.









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« Reply #48 on: Aug 26th, 2017, 3:31pm »

When the white supremacists/neo-Nazis/KKK'ers marched in Charlottesville last week {the march was organized months ago}, there marching chants were directed against the Jews, and not about protesting the Confederate statues being removed from the public's eye.

That contradicts Trump's claim, that these protesters were protesting against the Confederate statues being removed.

Source: A female Vice news reporter, who was present at the Charlottesville protest.
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« Reply #49 on: Sep 2nd, 2017, 1:28pm »

"In the last days of the Obama presidency, the Department of Homeland Security awarded a $400,000 grant to Life After Hate, a nonprofit dedicated to helping right-wing extremists move away from radical ideas.

Five months later, the organization learned that the Trump administration had rescinded its funding. In light of the violence in Charlottesville, this decision appears tragically shortsighted. It also underlines the indifference of President Trump and his administration toward the problem of far-right violence."

excerpt quote: "Giving right-wing extremists a pass" --- WaPo - Friday, September 1, 2017
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« Reply #50 on: Sep 12th, 2017, 10:30am »

on Aug 26th, 2017, 3:31pm, Erno86 wrote:
When the white supremacists/neo-Nazis/KKK'ers marched in Charlottesville last week {the march was organized months ago}, there marching chants were directed against the Jews, and not about protesting the Confederate statues being removed from the public's eye.

That contradicts Trump's claim, that these protesters were protesting against the Confederate statues being removed.

Source: A female Vice news reporter, who was present at the Charlottesville protest.


Ha Erno, I was enjoying your selection of funny vids as always! But to your post (not to put too fine a point on things) I'd say the right wing chanters (according to CNN commentators) were aiming at the Jews ("...will not replace us") as well as US blacks (as in "You will not replace us"). Which is clearly racist reasoning (juxtapositioning Jews and Africans against "us"=Caucasians/US whites).

Here's that fine point: chants as shown were phrased defensively, as if protesting in fear of being replaced by Jews/Blacks. Which I believe stays narrowly within US free speech law, falling precisely short of for instance hate speech. In America you may say you fear anything you like.

The above imo doesn't contradict these fine[sic] people at the same time strenuously objecting against the removal of Lee's sculpture (and similar statues), or Trump parroting such motives, statements he undoubtedly got from media coverage of the Charlottesville events, like you, me, folks everywhere.

Again, there is nothing illegal (within US legal context) about the chants (as far as shown on telly) or about rallying to preserve the general's sculpture, so the President was within his right to blame many or two sides (for committing assault), plus empathize with confederate heritage, plus pointing out those "fine people" among the Unite the Right protesters. cheesy But I freely admit he (arguably) spoke to a degree in error, presuming on the fineness of some/any of the White Supremacist/Nazi protesters (not too fine after all), while the 'sides' reference may have been among the most polarizing statements he ever made, to date that is.

Isn't it time Americans ought to consider changing/amending the Law, even constitutional free speech rights? Why not place these groups, including well armed militias(!), outside of the law?

I submit to you that if James Fields Jr. hadn't driven his car into the left wing protesters (elevating this protest to potentially terrorism and murder) the Charlottesville events had amounted to a disturbance, some skirmishes and Donald Trump ending up with his foot in his mouth. Which seems to be just where he likes it.


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