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« Thread started on: Dec 5th, 2017, 12:14pm »

A nation, every nation, has the right to choose its own capital.
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« Reply #1 on: Dec 6th, 2017, 01:42am »

on Dec 5th, 2017, 12:14pm, dave54 wrote:
A nation, every nation, has the right to choose its own capital.


Sure, but I don't think Israel has had any trouble choosing their capital, Dave54. The question (to which I don't have a knowledgeable answer tongue) is what the consequences are of America (and conceivably some allies following suit?) recognizing Jerusalem as the Jewish capital.

For now it seems to be: outrage, protests, probably riots in the streets. The deeper worry imo concerns Muslim nations thinking about 'red lines' crossed, especially nuclear ones unstable enough to go to war over the issue, maybe farfetched but still...

I think Trump is taking a big risk to satisfy his Christian and Jewish constituents. They are happy, as must be PM Netanyahu.

The smart/diplomatic move in this is that 6-month waiver allowing the US embassy that period of delay for National Security reasons. Pres Trump could repeat that delay, issuing new waivers at six months intervals for that same reason. At which point the recognition/embassy move will have taken on a largely symbolic meaning, Israel's first city a political pawn for a White House internally under siege, and hopefully understood as such by Muslims worldwide.

In the real world, Jerusalem just is what it is.


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« Reply #2 on: Dec 6th, 2017, 07:32am »

.. "He will be remembered for thousands of years for his act of courage to treat Israel like we already treat other nations." ..

And we all know how Israel treats other nations.

Sneak air attacks on countries it is not at war with.

Theft of land.

Every other nation is content to have their embassies in Tel Aviv.

Trump is just stirring up crap because it will deflect from his real problems.

A very large percentage of American business is run By Jews. Not to mention his son in law and chief adviser being Jewish.

Of course, there is always money to be made from selling arms. And maybe building a few more apartment blocks when he is out of office....If he isn't in jail.

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« Reply #3 on: Dec 7th, 2017, 12:20pm »

“Jerusalem is the eternal and indivisible capital of Israel. I will be an active advocate – if elected to New York’s Senate seat – to move the U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem.”
Hillary Rodham Clinton, July 9, 1999.


1995 -- the U.S. Senate voted 93-5 on a resolution to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel and move the U.S. Embassy.

The palestinians do not want peace. The palestinians do not want to share land with Israel. The palestinians have rejected EVERY OFFER and EVERY CONCESSION put forth by Israel to create an independent palestinian state. The corrupt and evil palestinian leadership want war and the obliteration of Israel, not peaceful coexistence. Most palestinian people want peace. The palestinians that live in Israel are happy and content. They are being betrayed by their leaders.
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« Reply #4 on: Dec 7th, 2017, 12:28pm »

But, handily..the 1995 accord left the pols a Back Door which every sitting President has utilized twice a year until Trump.

At the very least, it shows the world (again) that it is not business as usual with this President, lol.
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« Reply #5 on: Dec 7th, 2017, 1:14pm »

on Dec 7th, 2017, 12:28pm, Raf wrote:
But, handily..the 1995 accord left the pols a Back Door which every sitting President has utilized twice a year until Trump.

At the very least, it shows the world (again) that it is not business as usual with this President, lol.


It is all symbolic.

The US has a consulate in Jerusalem. That consulate is where all the business is conducted. The 'official' embassy is in Tel Aviv, but that is only for appearances sake. Trump is ending the charade and hypocrisy.
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« Reply #6 on: Dec 7th, 2017, 2:21pm »

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"Trump is ending the charade and hypocrisy"

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« Reply #7 on: Dec 7th, 2017, 3:39pm »

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« Reply #8 on: Dec 7th, 2017, 3:43pm »

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.."Trump is ending the charade and hypocrisy"

TIS ABOUT TIME...

It's the only promise he has been able to live up to in nearly a year.

And it is a foolish thing to do that will only provoke more trouble.

He has done the same to Kushner as he did to Tillerson. Cut them off at the knees.

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« Reply #9 on: Dec 7th, 2017, 6:03pm »

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"It's the only promise he has been able to live up to in nearly a year"

I MUST REMIND MYSELF ~ YOU ASSESS BASED ON THE MINISTRY OF PROPAGANDA...(CNN) COLLUSION NEWS NETWORK grin

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« Reply #10 on: Dec 7th, 2017, 9:17pm »

Hal,

You mean the Palestinians who didn't exist until they invented Arafat?

The Palestinians who, before they were invented, were the Tribal nomadic dregs of the Arab world?

The Palestinians who NO other Arab country would allow to stay for any length of time because of all the trouble they caused?

The Palestinians who now find themselves being used over and over as pawns by both Arab and European interests ?

The claim they make on the lands of Israel have always been and shall always be fraudulent.

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« Reply #11 on: Dec 7th, 2017, 9:50pm »

HMMM...GUESS HAL IS PEEKING FROM THE CAVERN wink

The prominent British Barrister and authoritative historian, Charles G. Addison, documented that the Templar Order was founded when “nine noble knights formed a holy brotherhood in arms, and entered into a solemn pact”, inspired by “the religious and military fervour of the day, and animated by the sacredness of the cause to which they had devoted their swords”.

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It is established in the historical record that “Baldwin II, King of Jerusalem, gave the Knights Templars quarters in his palace, built on the site of Solomon’s Temple.” [1] Addison explained that the King of Jerusalem “granted them a place of habitation within the sacred inclosure of the Temple on Mount Moriah”, which at the time was promoted and described “by the monks and priests of Jerusalem… as the Temple of Solomon, whence the [knights] came thenceforth to be known by the name of ‘the Knighthood of the Temple of Solomon’.”

The initial motivation of the first Templars to obtain access to the Temple of Solomon in Jerusalem traces further back to the Saxon Cistercian Abbot of Citeaux, Stephen Harding, known to be a friend and mentor of Bernard de Clairvaux. As explained by French historians, the Abbot pursued a “sudden interest” in translating Old Testament texts, because “they revealed that a hidden treasure lay buried beneath the Temple Mount. This is why the lay patron of the Cistercians, Count Hugh of Champagne, went to Jerusalem and instigated his vassal” Hughes de Payens “to establish” the Order of the Temple of Solomon on the Temple Mount.

The site of “The Temple” of Solomon (also the site of its later replica reconstruction by King Herod one level above it) is generally accepted to have stood on the full territory of the Temple Mount, which runs underneath and around both the Al-Aqsa Mosque and the Dome of the Rock, which are adjacent to each other.


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« Reply #12 on: Dec 8th, 2017, 1:37pm »

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Thank you for modifying your post.

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« Reply #13 on: Dec 8th, 2017, 1:47pm »

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..You mean the Palestinians who didn't exist until they invented Arafat?..

No, I mean the Palestinians who were originally the Philistines of the ancient Hebrew texts and were originally from some Mediterranean island (may have been Malta) back in the time of the Pharaohs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philistines

So they have been around for many centuries.

Don't forget that virtually every nation who has had an interest in the area has trampled over Palestine. From the Romans to the Germans in modern history. The Brits divided their country up into three (Palestine, Syria and Jordan) then installed a Zionist state in the middle of it.

Do you expect them to just sit there and take this treatment ?

I have no problem with people expressing heated opinions about any subject, but some decorum must be maintained.

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« Reply #14 on: Dec 8th, 2017, 2:00pm »

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...I MUST REMIND MYSELF ~ YOU ASSESS BASED ON THE MINISTRY OF PROPAGANDA...(CNN) COLLUSION NEWS NETWORK..

Maybe you could post a list of his accomplishments since taking office; it shouldn't take long. wink

The point about his stating he was going to move the embassy is that it is not necessary. Previous president could see the problems it would cause and thus used the waiver to 'kick it down the road' . As mentioned above, it is symbolic.

But so is the Rebel flag in the USA, and look at the trouble that is capable of causing.

With every other nation in the world happy to have their embassies in Tel Aviv one can only see it as a provocation.

So ok, he can say he kept this promise. The question should be 'was it a sensible promise to make in the first place ?'

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