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« Thread started on: Feb 26th, 2011, 7:25pm »

Quote from the video "and that's why when we take surface water samples they show aluminum"... Yeah I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact that aluminium is the most common metal on earth. Go outside and grab a handfull of soil. You are now holding aluminium. No matter where you live in the world. So how do they expect to take a water sample without it containing aluminium?

Also why do they spend half of the video talking about chaff? It's an electronic countermeasure, it's been used since WWII. Has society become so helpless that we are now scared of tiny peices of foil? Get a grip people, how have we gone from the dominant apex predator of this world to a cowering mass of people afraid of some shiny streamers?

There is no chemtrail conspiracy, half an hour of research would convince even the most hardcore believers. The problem is that they don't want to know. They don't want to learn anything that threatens their precious beliefs. Even after dozens of people have done the work and posted everything up in a single post on this very forum they choose to just ignore the facts. "that doesn't fit my ideology therefore it must be false" no... If it doesn't fit, review your ideas.

Sorry for the rant but I just get really frustrated when people are so closed minded that they refuse to even consider other possibilities.
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« Reply #1 on: Feb 27th, 2011, 08:27am »

on Feb 26th, 2011, 7:25pm, Raziel wrote:
... Sorry for the rant but I just get really frustrated when people are so closed minded that they refuse to even consider other possibilities.


I couldn't agree more Raziel but then, I'm not a chemtrail conpsiracy theorist, and like your good self I know that all the millions of words devoted to the subject in blogs, forum threads and various websites around the net are just an absolute waste of time because they are utter nonsense.

Instead of people making lots of posts showing pictures of aircraft contrails, or Youtube videos made by people who have done no genuine research showing "chemtrails," why don't the people who believe in this "conspiracy" carry out some research of their own, so they can prove the practice exists, then take the evidence to their congressmen, MPs etc?

In fact, in December last year a thread was started at ATS suggesting that the believers do exactly this very thing.

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That's right. People would like to see proof. What constitutes as proof? Scientific proof. Peer-reviewed proof. Repeatable lab tests. That's for starters.

What does not constitute as proof? YouTube videos. Wikipedia entries. Peoples' opinions, theories, or gut feelings. Articles from tabloids ...


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... And that is what I'm proposing that someone who is a believer in "chemtrails" actually takes it upon themselves to do. To prove once and for all that, yes indeed, "chemtrails" do actually exist.

If not one person can take it upon themselves to get samples from outside and conclusively prove in a lab that chemicals are being sprayed and falling to the ground, then "chemtrails" do not exist, period. End of discussion ...


As I write though, none of the chemtrail believers have yet acted upon this suggestion as far as I know and all we get are still more pictures of contrails and Youtube videos etc, so it appears to me that a lot of people just want to write a lot of stuff on the internet about it in order to try to alarm people. (Or something like that anyway - I'm not sure what the reason is to be honest.)

So I would like to ask a question here to the chemtrail conspiracy believers: What exactly are you trying to achieve by making lots of lots of posts on forums and Youtube videos? Are you trying to get the "chemtrails" practice stopped? If you are, well you've been doing this for many years now and - nothing at all has been achieved has it?

So why don't those of you who are concerned that this practice is going on try to get some REAL, SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEABLE evidence, as suggested by thge ATS poster?
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« Reply #2 on: Feb 27th, 2011, 4:11pm »

LoL,I can't believe you guys,you got the proof right before your eyes,all you have to do is look up to see something's not right! Speaking of proof,do you have any Real,Scientifically,Proveable evidence that ufos exist? How about Bigfoot? Loch Ness? Ghosts,anything on this site? Come on Smersh,wake up! I really do hope you are right about chemtrails....for everybody's sake.Watch the documentary people,make up your own minds. smiley

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« Reply #3 on: Feb 27th, 2011, 4:37pm »

on Feb 27th, 2011, 4:11pm, Lawwalk wrote:
LoL,I can't believe you guys,you got the proof right before your eyes,all you have to do is look up to see something's not right! ...


But that's just it Lawwalk - I don't see that something's not right just by looking up. When I look up I sometimes see a lot of aircraft contrails, providing the atmospheric conditions are suitable for aircraft to make them. I've been seeing aircraft contrails in the sky for as long as I can remember - even back in the 1950s and long before the internet came along and people started claiming they are chemtrails. I have even flown on passenger aircraft, looked out of the window and seen the very aircraft I'm flying in making a contrail that looks exactly like many of the "chemtrail" pictures I see posted on the net!

on Feb 27th, 2011, 4:11pm, Lawwalk wrote:
... Speaking of proof,do you have any Real,Scientifically,Proveable evidence that ufos exist? How about Bigfoot? Loch Ness? Ghosts,anything on this site? ...


No of course I don't have any proof that any of those things exist and neither at the moment does anyone else, otherwise they wouldn't be a mystery and we wouldn't have an entire forum here in order for people to discuss them. But as far as chemtrails are concerned, I still say that the burden of proof falls on the conspiracy believers to prove they exist, because TPTB are never going to act to stop them by people just making posts and videos about them on the internet.
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« Reply #4 on: Feb 27th, 2011, 5:50pm »

I have probably been around as long as you have,do you remember seeing 'real' clouds back then? You don't see many these days,nothing but miles and miles of long "clouds" you call contrails.When a real cloud passed between the sun and you,the sun didn't keep on blazing through like the fake clouds nowadays.Remember that? I watched planes and jets all my life and rarely seen a contrail that lasted more than a few minutes at most.These now go from horizon to horizon and stay there for hours,sometimes all day.I haven't seen this in a while but when there were nice storm clouds brewing for a shower or thunderstorm,these guys in the sky would fly over every one they could find I guess and they would completely evaporate while I watched. These things I consider 'not right'.I know you you will probably stick to your guns on the chemtrails and that's your opinion and I wouldn't want you to change and though I'm not at all into conspiracy theories,I'm going to stick to mind too!
I think the people on this site and visitors should at least be aware of a 'maybe' danger to their health and the health of their love ones.So I'm going to continue to post photos of the trails and anything else revelant to this danger until I'm told not to.Take care smiley

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« Reply #5 on: Feb 28th, 2011, 02:47am »

on Feb 27th, 2011, 5:50pm, Lawwalk wrote:
I have probably been around as long as you have,do you remember seeing 'real' clouds back then? You don't see many these days,nothing but miles and miles of long "clouds" you call contrails.When a real cloud passed between the sun and you,the sun didn't keep on blazing through like the fake clouds nowadays.Remember that?


It's not as simple as real clouds and fake clouds. Real contrails and fake contrails. Meteorology is far from simple. There are 10 main types of clouds, these can then further be divided into 27 subtypes. You cant simply assume that contrails will evaporate quickly and chemtrails will linger. If the humidity is low a contrail WILL vanish in seconds. But if the humidity is high they will linger for hours, they won't evaporate because the atmosphere is already saturated. At extremely high humidity the contrails can even act as a catalyst, the ice crystals from the exhaust gasses triggering the moisture in the air to condense and form more clouds, which at such high altitudes will be cirrostratus or altostratus clouds which can cover the entire sky in a veil in no time under good conditions. So yes they are creating fake clouds in a sense, but only at high humidity low pressure and would really only be acting as a trigger in forming them.

I'm an aircraft maintenance engineer and know every inch of my planes both inside and out. How they function, what they are capable of. I would know if there was some kind of chemtrail system incorporated into the aircraft. There is not. They do have four enormous gas generators strapped to it however. And these do produce contrails, I have seen my aircraft producing contails hundreds of miles long which have lingered for hours. Contrails not chemtrails. They have no ability to produce a chemtrail yet clearly did produce What would be described as classic chemtrails. And as the ONLY component capable of producing enough gasses it simply has to be engine contrails
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« Reply #6 on: Feb 28th, 2011, 05:21am »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JA6RzhyRfVY
I WOULD SUGEST WATCHING THIS VIDEO.
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on Feb 27th, 2011, 5:50pm, Lawwalk wrote:
I have probably been around as long as you have,do you remember seeing 'real' clouds back then? You don't see many these days,nothing but miles and miles of long "clouds" you call contrails ...


Yes but what you have to remember is that worldwide air traffic has increased enormously since the 1950s, as it has gradually become cheaper and cheaper to fly and is now no longer affordable only by the rich. Consequently the number of contrails you see in the sky has increased enormously as well. I can't find any worldwide statistics at the moment, but here's a pdf document released by the UK House of Commons showing take-off and landing statistics in the UK from 1950 to 2009. About a quarter of the way down in that document is a graph which shows that take-offs and landings in the UK have increased from below 200 thousand in 1950 to 2.4 million in 2009.

on Feb 27th, 2011, 5:50pm, Lawwalk wrote:
... I watched planes and jets all my life and rarely seen a contrail that lasted more than a few minutes at most.These now go from horizon to horizon and stay there for hours,sometimes all day ...


But this is a common mistake made by chemtrail believers - that contrails always disappear after a few minutes. As correctly pointed out by Raziel, contrails can linger for many hours and get wider and wider if the atmospheric conditions are right and appear similar to some natural clouds. They behaved no differently back in the 1950s - sometimes they would disappear quickly and sometime they would linger for hours, but as I said air traffic has increased greatly since then so these days the trails have become much more noticeable.

on Feb 28th, 2011, 05:21am, hyundisonata wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JA6RzhyRfVY
I WOULD SUGEST WATCHING THIS VIDEO.


An interesting video I have to admit and I'm glad to see that people have actually done some research, which they have then taken to an environmental body in order to try to get something done about it. I'll embed that video here:



That said though, let's get our terminology right here, those are still not "chemtrails" because that implies a conspiracy by governments or whoever to intentionally spray chemicals on to the population below, which I still maintain is complete nonsense. The trails mentioned in that video are ordinary CONTRAILS.

Now, I'm not an expert on modern jet engine and fuel technology but perhaps there is a side-effect of some contrails that causes the effects of high level aluminium deposits mentioned in that video. It might be that jet engine manufacturers and fuel suppliers need to look at ways of cutting out that side effect, if it truly exists. Hopefully somebody here with more knowledge of that could comment here about it.

It has already been mentioned in the past that contrails, as they are made at the moment, could be bad for the environment with regard to global warming and here's an article from Live Science about that.
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« Reply #8 on: Mar 12th, 2012, 1:41pm »

I could (to some degree) understand why some of the less well-informed might believe the conspiracy. Only the other day I watched (from T1 at LHR) three airliners on the same heading and at the same FL in a tight echelon formation all contrailing. In reality, there was probably about six miles and a couple of thousand feet in seperation between them, but to the Mk.1 eyeball they looked like the Red Arrows.
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« Reply #9 on: Mar 12th, 2012, 3:52pm »

And I'll add something I posted quite a while back that -if there is some evil cabal spraying the public then they are also spraying their family, friends, loved ones, and co-workers unless all of these people for all of the evil cabal members are given weekly briefings not to be in an area where they are spraying that day.

I think that just about destroys the chemtrail conspiracy without even trying hard....but I'm willing to hear what the chemtrail theorists have for a reply.
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That is a valid point, total contamination, any thoughts to the chemtrail believers? PowerKnight wink
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The prevailing chemical in chemtrails all over the world is dihydrogen monoxide.

Dihydrogen monoxide is known to be fatal to humans with ingestion is litle as 10 ml. It is major component of acid rain, and will dissolve solid granite.

Every cancer death tested has been found to contain dihydrogen monoxide.
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Now that is funny. laugh
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on Mar 24th, 2012, 8:33pm, dave54 wrote:
The prevailing chemical in chemtrails all over the world is dihydrogen monoxide.

Dihydrogen monoxide is known to be fatal to humans with ingestion is litle as 10 ml. It is major component of acid rain, and will dissolve solid granite.

Every cancer death tested has been found to contain dihydrogen monoxide.


Dave...do you have some documentation for that claim and stats showing that every cancer death has that compund found?

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« Reply #14 on: Mar 25th, 2012, 03:38am »

on Feb 27th, 2011, 5:50pm, Lawwalk wrote:
I have probably been around as long as you have,do you remember seeing 'real' clouds back then? You don't see many these days,nothing but miles and miles of long "clouds" you call contrails.When a real cloud passed between the sun and you,the sun didn't keep on blazing through like the fake clouds nowadays.Remember that? I watched planes and jets all my life and rarely seen a contrail that lasted more than a few minutes at most.These now go from horizon to horizon and stay there for hours,sometimes all day.I haven't seen this in a while but when there were nice storm clouds brewing for a shower or thunderstorm,these guys in the sky would fly over every one they could find I guess and they would completely evaporate while I watched. These things I consider 'not right'.I know you you will probably stick to your guns on the chemtrails and that's your opinion and I wouldn't want you to change and though I'm not at all into conspiracy theories,I'm going to stick to mind too!
I think the people on this site and visitors should at least be aware of a 'maybe' danger to their health and the health of their love ones.So I'm going to continue to post photos of the trails and anything else revelant to this danger until I'm told not to.Take care smiley

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Well, you stepped in it big time there. I've been around long enough to remember a world before contrails. You might try changing your location, because we have an abundance of very natural clouds here. In fact, I'm willing to go so far as saying that there's no way they could generate the sheer amount of clouds which we have in the Pacific Northwest. Our cloud layers are so thick and constant that should they consist of poison, nothing would be left alive here, as the rain is a constant much of the year.

But the fact of the matter is, I live in one of the most lush places on the planet. And people enjoy a healthy lifespan for the most part. What would provoke you to make such a claim in the first place? Clouds are very essential to all life on Earth. If very few natural ones were left, then we would look very much like Northern Chile:

A picture of what Earth without clouds might look like:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/44/Fox_pan_de_azucar.JPG
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