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« Reply #90 on: Nov 12th, 2012, 05:02am »

Again we are into the world of possibilities, you claim a cash struck airline could not afford to do such, they would not be the ones paying for such and no doubt would earn large sums of money for doing so hence your argument is without substance, then we have the implementation of the chemicals, unless you know what they are then you cannot lay claim to it not being a possibility. It might just be a five gallon tank used with a spray fed out the waste or exhaust area, without knowing the full facts we cannot argue true or false but only assume our argument is correct based on what we believe and what we are seeing happening to our sky’s.
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« Reply #91 on: Aug 13th, 2014, 10:56am »

on Feb 26th, 2011, 7:25pm, Raziel wrote:
Quote from the video "and that's why when we take surface water samples they show aluminum"... Yeah I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact that aluminium is the most common metal on earth. Go outside and grab a handfull of soil. You are now holding aluminium. No matter where you live in the world. So how do they expect to take a water sample without it containing aluminium?

Also why do they spend half of the video talking about chaff? It's an electronic countermeasure, it's been used since WWII. Has society become so helpless that we are now scared of tiny peices of foil? Get a grip people, how have we gone from the dominant apex predator of this world to a cowering mass of people afraid of some shiny streamers?

There is no chemtrail conspiracy, half an hour of research would convince even the most hardcore believers. The problem is that they don't want to know. They don't want to learn anything that threatens their precious beliefs. Even after dozens of people have done the work and posted everything up in a single post on this very forum they choose to just ignore the facts. "that doesn't fit my ideology therefore it must be false" no... If it doesn't fit, review your ideas.

Sorry for the rant but I just get really frustrated when people are so closed minded that they refuse to even consider other possibilities.


I agree Raizel.Totally.
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« Reply #92 on: Apr 1st, 2016, 08:00am »

Michael J. Murphy (maker of "What in the World are They Spraying" and it's sequel "Why ...") has lost the plot. (He does have a drugs habit as is well-known.) This video was shared to Youtube from a video he uploaded on his Facebook page yesterday:



Some still shots from the above video:

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If you have a Facebook account, you can read the thread he started about it yesterday on his public page here: https://www.facebook.com/michael.murphytmp/videos/vb.1041812258/10207489361685815/?type=2&theater

(Even some of his own followers, such as Roxy Lopez, now think he's off his rocker.)

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« Reply #93 on: Apr 1st, 2016, 08:22am »

^I don't know much about Murphy, and don't really care to , but Smersh ,your comments in the beginning of this thread, says it all imo.....^

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"Instead of people making lots of posts showing pictures of aircraft contrails, or Youtube videos made by people who have done no genuine research showing "chemtrails," why don't the people who believe in this "conspiracy" carry out some research of their own, so they can prove the practice exists, then take the evidence to their congressmen, MPs etc?

In fact, in December last year a thread was started at ATS suggesting that the believers do exactly this very thing.

People would like to see proof. What constitutes as proof? Scientific proof. Peer-reviewed proof. Repeatable lab tests. That's for starters.

What does not constitute as proof? YouTube videos. Wikipedia entries. Peoples' opinions, theories, or gut feelings. Articles from tabloids ...

And that is what I'm proposing that someone who is a believer in "chemtrails" actually takes it upon themselves to do. To prove once and for all that, yes indeed, "chemtrails" do actually exist.

If not one person can take it upon themselves to get samples from outside and conclusively prove in a lab that chemicals are being sprayed and falling to the ground, then "chemtrails" do not exist, period. End of discussion ...



As I write though, none of the chemtrail believers have yet acted upon this suggestion as far as I know and all we get are still more pictures of contrails and Youtube videos etc, so it appears to me that a lot of people just want to write a lot of stuff on the internet about it in order to try to alarm people. (Or something like that anyway - I'm not sure what the reason is to be honest.)

So I would like to ask a question here to the chemtrail conspiracy believers: What exactly are you trying to achieve by making lots of lots of posts on forums and Youtube videos? Are you trying to get the "chemtrails" practice stopped? If you are, well you've been doing this for many years now and - nothing at all has been achieved has it?

So why don't those of you who are concerned that this practice is going on try to get some REAL, SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEABLE evidence, ..."
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That sums it all up imho.

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« Reply #94 on: Apr 1st, 2016, 09:43am »

Hi Drwu23, yes I posted that a few years ago now and since then, I have found out quite a bit more about the claims that are being made and the main people who are behind the claims (people like Murphy, Dane Wigington, Russ Tanner etc) and sucking in gullible people so they can con them out of their hard-earned cash in donations "to help fight the cause" etc.

But anyway, yes that comment does still apply, although having said that, samples have been taken from the ground which of course, do not prove at all that whatever is found originate from planes flying at 35,000 feet. What is really needed are samples taken from an actual trail at altitude.
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« Reply #95 on: Apr 1st, 2016, 2:59pm »

I'll debate the science on this issue,
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nor is believing any type of Govt. agency,
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« Reply #96 on: Apr 2nd, 2016, 09:01am »

Sadly there isn't any science from the chemtrail supporters to debate.
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« Reply #97 on: Apr 2nd, 2016, 09:24am »

on Apr 2nd, 2016, 09:01am, drwu23 wrote:
Sadly there isn't any science from the chemtrail supporters to debate.
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Does this mean, you won't debate the science of this issue ?

I WILL
start with this.

A sharp edged very short trail, meaning, put your thumb up and out,
will blocked the entire trail, in a wide open blue sky.

Con trail science says, this is caused by warm air mixing with cold humid air, as if entering a wall of, "perfect conditions" that stay that way
even after the plane moving 500 + MPH will not mix, then if you believe that,
it also crates ice particles (solid) that some how avoids the radiation from the sun,
and creates babies to expand and persist, as the new borns also avoid radation from the sun, this miracle, does not fit any
science except from the CIA.
believe what you will doctor,
debate if you dare.
Maybe I'm wrong, and your post was another joke, that I missed.

I like jokes like this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlIrI80og8c
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« Reply #98 on: Apr 2nd, 2016, 11:08am »

on Apr 2nd, 2016, 09:24am, MOKSHA wrote:
Does this mean, you won't debate the science of this issue ?

I WILL
start with this.

A sharp edged very short trail, meaning, put your thumb up and out,
will blocked the entire trail, in a wide open blue sky.

Con trail science says, this is caused by warm air mixing with cold humid air, as if entering a wall of, "perfect conditions" that stay that way
even after the plane moving 500 + MPH will not mix, then if you believe that,
it also crates ice particles (solid) that some how avoids the radiation from the sun,
and creates babies to expand and persist, as the new borns also avoid radation from the sun, this miracle, does not fit any
science except from the CIA.
believe what you will doctor,
debate if you dare.
Maybe I'm wrong, and your post was another joke, that I missed.

I like jokes like this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlIrI80og8c
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I think you need to get into that with Smersh....I know little about the actual contrail formations and how they react to the weather, etc. but that's not the science I was referring to. I'm talkng about actual analysis of particulate matter or chemical residue analysis to show that something toxic is indeed being sprayed. Where's this data? What is actually being sprayed and what is it supposed to do to people? Where's this data....? Any data at all?
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« Reply #99 on: Apr 2nd, 2016, 3:08pm »

on Apr 2nd, 2016, 09:24am, MOKSHA wrote:
... A sharp edged very short trail, meaning, put your thumb up and out, will blocked the entire trail, in a wide open blue sky ...


The fact that there is a wide open blue sky should give you a clue. Since contrails are trails of cirrus clouds, they will behave in exactly the same way, so if you don't see any natural clouds you will usually not see persistent contrails either. They will either not form at all, or will disappear a few seconds after they are formed. All depends on the atmospheric conditions. You have to remember that the atmosphere is very complex though, and conditions can vary greatly over very small areas and at different altitudes.

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Con trail science says, this is caused by warm air mixing with cold humid air, as if entering a wall of, "perfect conditions" that stay that way
even after the plane moving 500 + MPH will not mix, then if you believe that,
it also crates ice particles (solid) that some how avoids the radiation from the sun,
and creates babies to expand and persist, as the new borns also avoid radation from the sun, this miracle, does not fit any
science except from the CIA ...


Nothing at all to do with the CIA, but everything to do with atmospheric science, which as far as contrail formation is concerned has been understood for over 70 years now.

For example, this peer review published in 1972:
http://cires1.colorado.edu/science/groups/pielke/classes/atoc7500/knollenberg72.pdf

Not sure if you have seen this video put up by Mick West, but if you haven't, it's only 3.38 mins and worth a watch:

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« Reply #100 on: Apr 3rd, 2016, 08:56am »

Another thing you need to remember is that there is no aircraft in existence that can carry anything like the thousands of tons of chemicals needed, to create trails hundreds of kilometers long and spreading wide, weighing many thousands of tons.

Re that Knollenburg peer review I linked in my previous comment, it has the following diagram, which shows that the persistent contrail created by the Sabreliner weighed 66,000 pounds per kilometer:

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Even the biggest capacity cargo plane in the world, the Antonov An-225, can only carry a maximum of 250 tonnes.

http://www.aerospace-technology.com/features/featurethe-top-10-biggest-cargo-aircraft-4589609/
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« Reply #101 on: Apr 3rd, 2016, 09:18am »

I don't think that explanation will fly. The response will be that the contrail(chemtrail) is made up of lighter chemicals not ice. Hence the planes can carry enough.
I'm just playing Devils Advocate here.

The burden is on the chemtrail believers to produce evidence as to the composition of the trail itself (not residues on the ground). That is really the first step and that they have not done that pretty much tells the story or more accurately the lack of a story.
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« Reply #102 on: Apr 3rd, 2016, 10:49am »

on Apr 3rd, 2016, 09:18am, GhostofEd wrote:
I don't think that explanation will fly. The response will be that the contrail(chemtrail) is made up of lighter chemicals not ice. Hence the planes can carry enough.
I'm just playing Devils Advocate here.


I expect some chemtrail believers have said that in the past, but they most commonly claim that aluminium, barium and strontium are all being sprayed, all of which (I think) would weigh more than ice crystals.

on Apr 3rd, 2016, 09:18am, GhostofEd wrote:
The burden is on the chemtrail believers to produce evidence as to the composition of the trail itself (not residues on the ground). That is really the first step and that they have not done that pretty much tells the story or more accurately the lack of a story.


Absolutely, and as you said, the fact that they have not done that does suggest that they don't want to because it would end their chemtrail fantasy, once all that is found is ice.

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« Reply #103 on: Apr 4th, 2016, 08:59am »

Just for the sake of discussion I would like to ask the chemtrail conspiracy theorists several questions:

1. Who exactly is doing the spraying....a secret govt group or the Illuminati or..?
2. What exactly are they spraying...are they brainwashing us....slowly killing us..?
3. And again for the hundredth time.....how are They avoiding spraying this on friends or loved ones?
4.What is the ultimate agenda?

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« Reply #104 on: Apr 4th, 2016, 09:38am »

on Apr 4th, 2016, 08:59am, drwu23 wrote:
Just for the sake of discussion I would like to ask the chemtrail conspiracy theorists several questions:

1. Who exactly is doing the spraying....a secret govt group or the Illuminati or..?
2. What exactly are they spraying...are they brainwashing us....slowly killing us..?
3. And again for the hundredth time.....how are They avoiding spraying this on friends or loved ones?
4.What is the ultimate agenda?

I'm not in that crowd but from my 35,000ft altitude view of the situation I will hazard a guess. I may be blowing smoke out of a hole but this is what I think is going on.

1. Spraying is being done by a combination of those in the know and patsies. Both are being controlled by a select few of secret people hidden behind legit looking fronts. If they were not secret it would not be a secret.

2. Unknown combinations of known chemicals that when mixed have certain properties that have long term effects replicating aliments such as cancer and genetic defects that over a long time weaken the gene pool and weed out the undesirables. It can be debated if the goal is population reduction and/or a mind altered populace that will do others bidding or be indifferent to what is happening around them. This is a decades long effort not over months or years. Aiding in the concealment of these compounds is the clever use of the normal byproducts of engine fuel combustion that do make there way into the air we breath, crop soil and water we drink. While these elements themselves are detectable, it is the ratio of them along with untraceable added minute amounts of other chemicals that do the real damage and are very slowly doing their work on all people except those given immunity. (see #3)

3. The trick is that everyone is exposed to the spray. It's simple what is happening: Certain people are knowingly or unknowingly given immunity to the long term effects of the spray. Think of it as a flu shot or other vaccine. This immunity can be slipped easily into all kinds of targeted products or medications. As with the spraying itself this is done by those in the know or patsies.

4. I touched on this in #2. Weed out the undesirables so the secret few have it all - riches, power, control. This could be while maintaining a dumbed down small population of those ultimately produced from the objectives of the spraying practice. Form of genetic slavery I suppose.

I hope this answered your questions. grin
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