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« Reply #105 on: Mar 8th, 2016, 3:31pm »

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"North San Juan, CA — Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders made a surprise campaign stop in Nevada County on Monday afternoon. Sanders visited the area to announce his plan for a more environmentally friendly chemtrails program."

http://everydayworldnews.com/bernie-sanders-calls-for-eco-friendly-chemtrail-reform/

“I needed to be here in Nevada County,” Sanders began his speech which was held in the parking lot behind the Sierra Super Stop, “where so many have voiced concerns about chemtrails.”

“Our government continues to spray artificial chemicals on its own citizens to poison the population and geoengineer the climate,” Sanders said, “we know there are organic, sustainable alternatives that will accomplish the same objectives without damaging the Earth.”

“For example, deadly Cobra venom,” Sanders continued, “which the government can purchase directly from snake charmer collectives in India using fair trade guidelines.”

"Sanders also proposed Botulinum toxin, the naturally occurring bacterium that leads to the fatal disease botulism, as a poisonous substance that would sicken the population but leave flora and fauna unaffected."

“The soil ruining nano-aluminum coated fiberglass particles have got to go,” Sanders said. “We need a more biodegradable chemtrail future.”

"Sanders admitted that some man-made chemicals would be needed to meet the climate manipulation objectives outlined by the New World Order."

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« Reply #106 on: Mar 9th, 2016, 5:35pm »

on Mar 8th, 2016, 3:31pm, ZETAR wrote:
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I'm guessing you already figured this ZETAR, but it's a satirical article. wink
Originates from the Nevada County Scooper, which posts quite a few satire articles (and not just about chemtrails) here:

https://www.ncscooper.com/bernie-sanders-calls-for-eco-friendly-chemtrail-reform/

In fact, one of the editors of that site posts in a Facebook group I go on.

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"... “Our government continues to spray artificial chemicals on its own citizens to poison the population and geoengineer the climate,” Sanders said, “we know there are organic, sustainable alternatives that will accomplish the same objectives without damaging the Earth.”

“For example, deadly Cobra venom,” Sanders continued, “which the government can purchase directly from snake charmer collectives in India using fair trade guidelines.” ...


Even after reading that bit, I daresay there are some chemtrail believers who will still swallow it though. rolleyes

on Mar 8th, 2016, 9:23pm, jm57 wrote:
... How many members here do not do their own searches and find what evidence is available out there.
So much is there ...


But that's just it. There is no evidence at all. Zero, nada, zilch. People have been making chemtrail claims since the late 1990s when the hoax first appeared and have NEVER, EVER presented any actual evidence.

There are plenty of REAL bad things in the world for people to protest about but believe it not, there actually are a few people, who were apparently asleep in science class who protest about clouds instead.
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« Reply #107 on: Mar 10th, 2016, 09:55am »

on Mar 8th, 2016, 9:23pm, jm57 wrote:
The conundrum for me is:
How many members here do not do their own searches and find what evidence is available out there.
So much is there,Yet,no one seems to give a damn of future generations.
I suppose it's the 'old person doesn't care thing'Or,the intellectuals are too confined in their scientific ways.....
Folks,there are things going on about and above you,These are unseen,Yet those which do not see have such a derogatory reply to the Truth.


Ok then...list your evidence and sites that show this with proper science and testing that has been verified and not just conspiracy links.
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« Reply #108 on: Mar 10th, 2016, 10:40am »

on Mar 8th, 2016, 9:23pm, jm57 wrote:
The conundrum for me is:
How many members here do not do their own searches and find what evidence is available out there.
So much is there,Yet,no one seems to give a damn of future generations.

I take it you care, you give a damn- so apart from searching the net, reading conspiracy theories what are 'you' doing about it?

What do you feel others should do--apart from searching the net, reading conspiracy theories; any suggestions? Just out of interest wink
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« Reply #109 on: Mar 10th, 2016, 11:32am »

Jm57.

..So much is there,Yet,no one seems to give a damn of future generations.


You are taking the same approach as our recently departed member who wouldn't believe that anyone but himself could be right.

Those of us who think is just isn't true do so because we find no evidence that it is.

You surely don't believe that the pilots and crew of these planes really want to poison their own families ?

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« Reply #110 on: Mar 10th, 2016, 12:24pm »

on Mar 10th, 2016, 11:32am, INT21 wrote:
You surely don't believe that the pilots and crew of these planes really want to poison their own families ?

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I've asked this question numerous times here and other places and never received an intelligent answer.
If some 'cabal' is spraying harmful chemicals then the families and friends of this 'cabal' is also being sprayed when they go outside unless hundreds of the 'elite' are given a spraying list each month....what utter nonsense.
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« Reply #111 on: Mar 10th, 2016, 10:06pm »

Quit being so lazy folks
Seek
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you may stumble upon things
The future generations depend upon you
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« Reply #112 on: Mar 11th, 2016, 04:12am »

on Mar 10th, 2016, 10:06pm, jm57 wrote:
... Seek
And
you may stumble upon things ...


Well yes, you might well stumble upon things, which brings up another question you might want to consider (since you still haven't explained why they would be spraying themselves, as just mentioned by Hal, Drwu and myself several times previously.)

Re the claims that there is a secret conspiracy, by all the governments in the world, to spray toxic chemicals from the sky in order to poison people. Here's a Google search showing conspiracy websites "exposing" chemtrails in 2006, ten years ago:

Chemtrail websites in 2006

Doesn't it seem odd to you that all those sites (pages and pages of them in that search) are still there in 2016? Wouldn't governments have had them all removed as soon as they appeared?

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« Reply #113 on: Mar 11th, 2016, 07:20am »

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http://www.thelastamericanvagabond.com/health/government-quietly-admits-weather-modification/
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« Reply #114 on: Mar 11th, 2016, 09:21am »

on Mar 11th, 2016, 07:20am, MOKSHA wrote:
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http://www.thelastamericanvagabond.com/health/government-quietly-admits-weather-modification/
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What do they mean by "admits" weather modification? It's been going on since the 1940s and there has never been any secret about it. It's cloud seeding, which is done by small prop planes at heights of around 10,000-16,000 ft, the purpose of which is to create rain or suppress hail etc in very localised areas that need it, and has nothing whatsoever to do with contrails, which are created at the cruising altitude of airliners at 30,000 feet or more.

It's so secret that the organisations that do it have websites visible to the entire world, such as this one:

http://www.weathermodification.com

Oh and by the way, that link you gave is yet another one that hasn't been removed by the evil gubbmint for "exposing" chemtrails, along with all those ten years old ones I mentioned in my previous comment!
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on Mar 11th, 2016, 09:21am, Smersh wrote:
Oh and by the way, that link you gave is yet another one that hasn't been removed by the evil gubbmint for "exposing" chemtrails, along with all those ten years old ones I mentioned in my previous comment!


OK lets start with this comment, I find the weather mod sites as "small potatoes" the Government can't even take down terrorist websites,
I would think this would be very high on a very short list of things to do.

http://thehill.com/policy/technology/260438-fcc-says-it-cant-shutdown-online-terrorist-activity

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wObRO6jwrA4

This comment of yours has holes in it, about 10 year old weather mod sites,
sorry not important.
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« Reply #116 on: Mar 11th, 2016, 4:13pm »

With all due respect to you and Mr. West,
SMERSH,
I am most interested in the very abrupt start and stop of the "contrails"
I see this often here in South Florida.
here is some of the data, please any one interested in this issue read this
very carefully.
http://contrailscience.com/broken-contrails/
maybe I am reading this wrong, but it claims that now warm air, "NEXT"
to other air cause this, break, what about a very short and very sharp
edge, the plane found its way into a very tiny area of cold air, for a very short
time, I'm sorry that's not going to convince me, but maybe I'm wrong.

And the CIA never did anything bad, or deceptive.

http://consciouslifenews.com/mk-ultra-analysis-mind-control-part-1-httpwwweliteagendacomeareportsmk-ultra-analysis-mind-control-part-1sthashmloqvrwndpuf/1150608/

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« Reply #117 on: Mar 11th, 2016, 5:25pm »

on Mar 11th, 2016, 3:46pm, MOKSHA wrote:
... This comment of yours has holes in it, about 10 year old weather mod sites,
sorry not important.
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But they are not weather mod sites, because as I said before weather modification is not a secret and has nothing to do with contrails or the claims about "chemtrails." Take a look again at the search results for the conspiracy sites I posted earlier and the search term I used, ie "chemtrails."

Chemtrail websites in 2006

It brings up PAGES AND PAGES of sites claiming the entire world is being poisoned 24 hours a day, 7 days a week by toxic chemicals sprayed from the sky. And those sites have been there for at least TEN YEARS.

Where are the articles saying that governments have been unable to remove those chemtrail websites, even though they have been there for at least ten years? So not only are those sites still there and have been visible to the entire world for all those years, so have the trails in the sky. Could it be because governments are not in the slightest bit interested, because it is all absolute tripe, just like all the sites claiming that the Earth is flat and so on?

And out of the 7 billion people in the world, why are there not at least a billion of them marching in the streets and banging on the doors of their governments to protest about this heinous crime, because not only can they clearly see the trails, but all those websites have told them about it?

Not only that, but as pointed out by several people here, whoever is doing this alleged spraying is also spraying themselves and their own families, because we all breathe the same air.

Still makes sense to you?

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... http://contrailscience.com/broken-contrails/ ...


Yes that article is correct. The atmosphere is very complex and conditions can vary over very small areas of sky, meaning that trails can start and stop. Just as ordinary clouds can have gaps in them instead of covering the whole sky. Also, pilots can change engine settings which can also affect contrail formation.

Here's a couple of peer reviewed papers about contrail formation:

http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/abs/10.1175/2009BAMS2839.1

(Edit - ^^^ Sorry but you'll have to copy/paste that link into your browser as it doesn't format correctly here for it to be clicked on.)

This next one, from R.G. Knollenburg, was published in 1972, which is about 25 years before the first claims about "chemtrails" started to appear:

http://cires1.colorado.edu/science/groups/pielke/classes/atoc7500/knollenberg72.pdf
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« Reply #118 on: Mar 11th, 2016, 5:28pm »

MOKSHA,

I see this phenomena on a regular basis. Often when planes are descending into our local airport. They pass through layers of air with slightly different temperatures and densities.

Basically that is all there is to it.

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on Mar 11th, 2016, 5:28pm, INT21 wrote:
MOKSHA,

I see this phenomena on a regular basis. Often when planes are descending into our local airport. They pass through layers of air with slightly different temperatures and densities.

Basically that is all there is to it.

HAL
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HAL, I can "believe" that as possible, I can find data on different temps
density and humidity at different layers of altitude, I have a hard
time believing there is a big enough variance at a constant altitude,
to cause such a display that has only been here in South FL. since
2011, prior to this date, non of this stuff was in the sky over my head,
I hope you and SMERSH can understand my concern.

I thank you and SMERSH, for your input in this conversation, I have
a funny feeling, it will not die as easy as the flat Earth society.

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