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xx Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
« Reply #120 on: Mar 12th, 2016, 07:28am »

on Mar 11th, 2016, 7:50pm, MOKSHA wrote:
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I thank you and SMERSH, for your input in this conversation, I have
a funny feeling, it will not die as easy as the flat Earth society.


You're very welcome MOKSHA. Re the Flat Earth Society though, it hasn't died unfortunately - in fact it's had a new lease of life in the last year or so, because groups claiming the Earth is flat have sprung up all over Facebook, loads of videos about it have been uploaded to Youtube and lots of new blogs, websites and forums created etc etc. In fact, it seems to have overtaken Nibiru in the derp popularity stakes ... tongue

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Yes I remember that hearing. Amanda Baise / Williams /Tasia Danielle (several names she goes by, but also aka Madison Star Moon and often referred to by chemtrail debunkers as Mad Loon) Max Bliss, Patrick Roddie and Jim Lee were all in attendance, giving their "evidence" about a mass global Toxic spraying programme ...

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« Reply #121 on: Mar 12th, 2016, 07:46am »

^ 'Mad Loon'.......that's actually funny.
She does look a bit out of it.....maybe the 'morgellons' is finally taking it's toll.


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« Reply #122 on: Mar 12th, 2016, 08:53am »

on Mar 12th, 2016, 07:46am, drwu23 wrote:
... She does look a bit out of it.....maybe the 'morgellons' is finally taking it's toll ... wink


The 1,000 yard stare given by the two EPA panel members. wink

The video posted by MOKSHA only shows Patrick Roddie's speech, which he read out from his iPhone. tongue

However, Mad Loon's and the others' speeches are all on YT as well somewhere.
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« Reply #123 on: Mar 12th, 2016, 09:04am »

Here's Mad Loon's aka Amanda's speech (oh btw she is also known as Dramanda by debunkers. wink She has lots of photos on Facebook of her walking around wearing a face mask, to protect her from the deadly chemicals and she is also scared of cellphone "death" towers.)





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xx Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
« Reply #124 on: Mar 12th, 2016, 09:14am »

on Mar 12th, 2016, 07:28am, Smersh wrote:
You're very welcome MOKSHA. Re the Flat Earth Society though, it hasn't died unfortunately - in fact it's had a new lease of life in the last year or so, because groups claiming the Earth is flat have sprung up all over Facebook, loads of videos about it have been uploaded to Youtube and lots of new blogs, websites and forums created etc etc. In fact, it seems to have overtaken Nibiru in the derp popularity stakes ... tongue



If you remember a while back when I sent you (via email) a certain picture
very short sharp contrail blocking a anomaly, you were the only person
who had a plausible explanation, "reflection of the atmosphere"
I sent that picture to many people, Timothy Good had the worst
explanation out of all,
even after asking him how he came to his conclusion, he had nothing
to say, I have lost some respect for him, as with any one else who cannot explain,
their method of conclusion.
The reason I bring this up, is the movements that are gaining in
popularity, whether they are right or wrong, sometimes correctness,
MATTERS NOT
I have reasons to question everything that is said and done, as it would
be my opinion, that is how science works,
QUESTION EVERYTHING
seems like many movements are dividing people, it is like a cartoon for me, and my reason for pondering present day,
LOONEY TUNES
why would Stanton Friedman entertain one of the leaders of the
flat Earth society?
very long interview

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikgm5HKd93U

Florida has got new laws from Rick Scott, many people are seeing
big moves, which violate our constitution,
SWAMPRAT has asked, what has happened, it is my opinion, that it has been
HAPPENING, for a while now, it is known as Newtonian Physics
EVER ACTION HAS A EQUAL AND OPPOSITE REACTION
which can only be violated on the TV SET, or CGI.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MubibClfoCM
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« Reply #125 on: Mar 21st, 2016, 02:03am »

It doesn't matter anymore.
We,The public has no say in the outcome.
What transpires and continues will be what we have all to deal with.
Future generations are the prime
They do not care what flies above their heads.
I talk to folks here in my locale and they look @ me as if I'm crazy.
One day,When these obvious things are finally observed above them in the skies,It will be too late.
It's right above them and they never look up.
It's good to be old and not see the the outcome of ignorance as folks go about their daily lives.
Peace be to you all.
See you,maybe,on the other side.
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« Reply #126 on: Feb 3rd, 2017, 10:04pm »

It's getting WORLD awareness now.
The proverbial **it is hitting the fan.
Being I just turned 65,I have had a barrage of tests done as to my lingering ailments.
The most profound result was=Aluminum
3rd grade level of contamination above US Federal Standards.
Proof is in the poison.
My doc tells me to stay inside as much as I can,Only go out on days of no clouds.
When I asked why,
His reply
"I am unable to respond to that,at this time"
I asked again,"WHY aren't you able to respond to a simple requested question?"
This says much
"I was ordered by my employer".
He is employed by a conglomerate related and a subsidiary of United Health.org
He then proceeded to prescribe 6 drugs to help with my ailments.
6,Unknown to him,I had been researching that 1,BUT,the other 5 were to counteract the side-effects of the 1st one!!
On and on.He finally softly said,"If you are in a mobile state of health,DON'T fill the script"...
What the hell does that tell me of pharma ..
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« Reply #127 on: Feb 4th, 2017, 03:39am »

Colloidal Silver will rid your bogy of most heavy metals Jim and you can even make it http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-make-COLLOIDAL-SILVER-Easy/

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« Reply #128 on: Feb 9th, 2017, 07:36am »

Sorry about your health
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A reason for the spray may have been found.
Here is a video on the effects of UVC which is
NOT suppose to reach Earth.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1Pm38YzLqc

What if sumtin has changed and UVC has been recently hitting the
Earth, what could be done?

If any one has a UVC detector lets check it out.
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« Reply #129 on: Feb 16th, 2017, 8:23pm »

THEY SPRAYED THE SKY
TODAY
BUT FORGOT TO SAY
WHY THEY SPRAY THE SKY
O MY GOD IT'S IN MY MY EYE

THEY SPRAYED THE SKY TODAY

https://www.reverbnation.com/mhasok/song/20598957-spray-x

they sure did
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« Reply #130 on: Mar 15th, 2017, 2:54pm »

Let's play Chemtrail Bingo!



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« Reply #131 on: Mar 16th, 2017, 7:52pm »

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BINGO

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« Reply #132 on: Mar 30th, 2017, 07:06am »

on Mar 15th, 2017, 2:54pm, Swamprat wrote:
Let's play Chemtrail Bingo!



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On the other hand..... Hmmmm.....


Geoengineering Definition of Terms

GEOENGINEERING

Geoengineering is the artificial modification of Earths climate systems through two primary ideologies, Solar Radiation Management (SRM) and Carbon Dioxide Removal (CDR)\

CARBON DIOXIDE REMOVAL (CDR)

Carbon Dioxide Removal (CDR) and seqeustration. This is artificial trees, ocean fertilization etc. These projects are declassified for the most part. This method of geoengineering IS NOT the focus of this website.

SOLAR RADIATION MANAGEMENT (SRM)

Solar Radiation Management (SRM), controlling sunlight before it reaches the planet.

STRATOSPHERIC SULFATE AEROSOLS GEO-ENGINEERING (SAG-SRM)
The ability of stratospheric sulfate aerosols to create a global dimming effect has made them a possible candidate for use in geoengineering projects [1] to limit the effect and impact ofclimate change due to rising levels of greenhouse gases .[2] Delivery of precursor sulfide gases such as hydrogen sulfide (H2S) or sulfur dioxide (SO2) by artillery, aircraft [3] and balloons has been proposed.

Tom Wigley calculated the impact of injecting sulfate particles, or aerosols, every one to four years into the stratosphere in amounts equal to those lofted by the volcanic eruption of Mount Pinatubo in 1991, but did not address the many technical and political challenges involved in potential geoengineering efforts. If found to be economically, environmentally and technologically viable, such injections could provide a “grace period” of up to 20 years before major cutbacks in greenhouse gas emissions would be required, he concludes. <br>grinirect delivery of precursors is proposed by Paul Crutzen. This would typically be achieved using sulfide gases such as dimethyl sulfide, sulfur dioxide (SO2), carbonyl sulfide, orhydrogen sulfide (H2S). These compounds would be delivered using artillery, aircraft (such as the high-flying F15C) or balloons, and result in the formation of compounds with the sulfate anion SO42-.<br>According to estimates by the Council on Foreign Relations, “one kilogram of well placed sulfur in the stratosphere would roughly offset the warming effect of several hundred thousand kilograms of carbon dioxide.”

CHEMTRAILING

Chemtrailing is the publics term for the CLASSIFIED ONGOING artificial modification of Earths climate systems using reflective nano-materials (aerosols) to reflect sunlight. The aerosols are dispersed via jet aircraft trails that expand into reflective artificial clouds.

http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/geoengineering-definition-of-terms/

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« Reply #134 on: Mar 30th, 2017, 12:57pm »

Related to previous post


Fear of solar geoengineering is healthy – but don't distort our research


Models suggest solar geoengineering could reduce climate change and our independently assessed studies are vital to understanding its full potential

David W Keith and Gernot Wagner
Wednesday 29 March 2017

Even if the world were to cut emissions to zero tomorrow, global temperatures and sea levels would rise for decades. If our roll of the climate dice is unlucky, they could rise for centuries. It is in this context that some climate researchers have begun to reluctantly take seriously ideas first proposed in the 1960s: the possibility of using solar geoengineering to help restore the world’s climate, alongside aggressive actions to reduce greenhouse-gas (GHG) emissions to zero and below.

Fear of solar geoengineering is entirely healthy. Its mere prospect might be hyped by fossil fuel interests to thwart emissions cuts. It could be used by one or a few nations in a way that’s harmful to many. There might be some yet undiscovered risk making the technology much less effective in reality than the largely positive story told by computer models.

Yet that healthy fear can distort discussion in unhealthy ways. A reader glancing at recent coverage in the Guardian, especially a piece by Martin Lukacs, might assume we were capitalistic tools of Donald Trump, eager to geoengineer the planet, democracy and justice be damned.

That reader might miss the fact that the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) concluded that, “Models consistently suggest that [solar geoengineering] would generally reduce climate differences compared to a world with elevated GHG concentrations and no [solar geoengineering]”, or that many scientists, including the UK Royal Society and US National Academy, support research. So do many environmentalists, including the Environmental Defence Fund and the Natural Resources Defence Council.

With all that in mind, we have begun to study solar geoengineering more closely. The emphasis here is on study. It would be reckless to deploy solar geoengineering based on today’s limited research.

What makes Harvard’s effort different is that we are planning on doing so in an integrated, multi-disciplinary programme spanning many faculties and points of view. That integrated programme is the context for a proposed outdoor experiment.

Prof Frank Keutsch and one of us (Keith) are proposing to fly a balloon about 20km into the air. Its objective is to quantify the microphysics of introducing tiny particles into the stratosphere to improve estimates of the risks and benefits of solar geoengineering in large atmospheric models. It is not a “test” of planetary cooling. The amount of material we would release is tiny compared to everyday activities. For example, if we tested sulphates, we would put less material into the stratosphere than a typical commercial aircraft does in one minute of flight. Our material of choice for the first flight? Frozen water. Later flights might include tiny amounts of calcium carbonate or indeed sulphates.

That said, we do not ask anyone to take our word about the safety or legal compliance of the experiment. Risk must be independently assessed, and legal compliance assured, or we will not fly.

Governance of experiments is currently inadequate. To that end, we are seeking advice from Janos Pasztor’s Carnegie Climate Geoengineering Governance Initiative, major environmental NGOs, and various other civil society organisations to develop an independent advisory process for the experiment. It’s a bootstrap process with the goal of fostering international governance for future experiments. Crucially, we will only proceed with the experiment if doing so does not imperil the long-term ability to develop a solar geoengineering research programme with broad public and stakeholder support.

Facts matter, or at least they should. Friday’s Guardian article implied that the experiment is funded by Bill Gates, but it is not. Gates will in future likely fund the interdisciplinary solar geoengineering research program at Harvard, but his funding will amount to less than 40% of the total, and this experiment is not funded by him. Other funders already include the Hewlett foundation, itself among the largest funders of climate research and advocacy. (Our public forum this past Friday, in turn, was funded by the Sloan foundation.) It is possible that the broader programme will end up supporting the experiment in later years, but at least through the first flights, the experiment is funded by internal Harvard research funds given to new professors.

Martin Lukacs’s analysis piece is in an entirely different league. It comes after a similarly biased piece four years ago, which severely distorted our proposed experiment. The current piece hypes a link to Trump, but if Trump were to push solar geoengineering while gutting climate science, we believe the only appropriate response is active resistance.

Fear of solar geoengineering is justified. So is fear of the largely unaccounted-for tail risks of climate change, which make the problem much worse than most realise. Ending fossil fuels will not eliminate climate risks, it just stops the increase of atmospheric carbon. That carbon and its climate risk cannot be wished away.

There is a prudent case for an international, transparent, and sustainable solar geoengineering research programme that includes field experiments with appropriate governance. We welcome debate on the merits of such a research programme.

• David Keith is professor of applied physics and professor of public policy at Harvard and author of A Case for Climate Engineering (MIT Press, 2013).

• Gernot Wagner is research associate and lecturer at Harvard and co-author of Climate Shock (Princeton University Press, 2015).

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/mar/29/criticism-harvard-solar-geoengineering-research-distorted
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