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xx Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
« Reply #30 on: Dec 10th, 2015, 07:55am »

on Dec 9th, 2015, 5:37pm, jm57 wrote:
https://zeekly.com/video/7962/chemtrails-exposed-nasa-scientist-admits-to-spraying-lithium-points-to-wallops-flight-facility-
Just take the time and please pay close attention to the audio.
What more do you need?
There is more elsewhere,If anyone has the cahoneys to do the unlazy thing and research on their own.


Did you play close attention to the video and what was being said, or did you just fire an arrow at a barn door, then paint a target around it, in order to come to your conclusion?

He's not talking about the "chemtrails" that you claim are being sprayed, at the cruising altitude of commercial airliners, but a NASA experiment that's been going on for decades to study the winds at very high altitudes on the edge of space, using sounding rockets.

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/sounding-rockets/index.html

The rocket for this particular NASA experiment creates an invisible chemical trail of lithium, hence his use of the term "chemtrail."

But of course, because he used this term to describe the process being used for these experiments, ignorant conspiracy theorists immediately got all excited and making their usual wild claims. Just as they do when they post links to science articles they say proves their claims, when in fact the article shows them to be wrong, because all they have done is cherry pick some term or sentence in it, without bothering to read or trying to understand the rest of it.

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xx Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
« Reply #31 on: Dec 10th, 2015, 08:22am »

on Dec 9th, 2015, 4:56pm, MOKSHA wrote:
I have been there ED Thanks,
... And Smersh knows this, I wish not to debate this,
some of the stuff is impossible to happen,
IE: arid warm air, cannot form what is being grouped together
as the same thing ...


At what altitude is the arid warm air? Are you talking about ground level, or the 30,000 feet or so which is the cruising altitude of commercial airliners? No matter what the temperature is at ground level, the temperatures at that height are typically below -50 degrees C.

In fact, next time you are on a flight yourself and it has one of those seat-back video things, on which you can track the progress of your flight on a moving map, take note of the outside temperature that it usually gives as well.

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... Almost all flights fly North to South and visa versa here in FL.
so double and triple Xs should never happen ...


But they frequently DO happen, because of the instructions the pilots get from Air Traffic Control, about the routes they have to take to avoid mid-air collisions with other aircraft. For example, take a look at this live screen from Flight Radar 24 showing the flights around Orlando as they are right now. (If you look at this at night when there are not as many flights, take another look during daylight hours.)

http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airports/SFB

In fact, if you have a smartphone, there is a Flight Radar 24 app you can download for it, which shows all the commercial aircraft currently above your head wherever you are at all times, and tells you what plane it is, which airline and flight number, what its altitude is, where it's coming from and where it's going etc etc.

Oh and MOKSHA, since jm57 hasn't answered it, because apparently the only argument he has is to use ad-homs and accuse people of being "paid shills," perhaps you can explain this, can you?

How is it possible that the pilots of thousands of planes are flying all over the world 24/7, spraying toxic chemicals over their own families and themselves, and the millions of people in the global aviation industry who would know about it all keep quiet?

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xx Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
« Reply #32 on: Dec 10th, 2015, 08:27am »

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How is it possible that the pilots of thousands of planes are flying all over the world 24/7, spraying toxic chemicals over their own families and themselves, and the millions of people in the global aviation industry who would know about it all keep quiet?


Excellent question which I have asked many times over the years yet never have received a good answer.
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xx Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
« Reply #33 on: Dec 10th, 2015, 11:27am »

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Not only that, but the thousands of A&P mechanics that must sign off on all inspections and repairs of planes! They know the schematics and blueprints of these planes.

Does anyone really believe that they wouldn't know about the extra plumbing and storage of these supposed dangerous substances being introduced into the planes and not report it?

These men and women go to jail if anything is wrong and it causes a crash!

During the many causes of crashes of aircraft has any investigator reported unknown tankage or substances? Are all these people in cahoots and refuse to report if anything like that was found?


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xx Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
« Reply #34 on: Dec 10th, 2015, 1:49pm »

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"Airline companies in America have been participating in something called >>> Project Cloverleaf <<< for a few years now. The earliest date anyone remembers being briefed on it is 1998. I was briefed on it in 1999. The few airline employees who were briefed on Project Cloverleaf were all made to undergo background checks, and before we were briefed on it we were made to sign non-disclosure agreements, which basically state that if we tell anyone what we know we could be imprisoned."

http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/airline-mechanic-turns-whistleblower/

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"The next week we had three of our planes in our main hanger for periodic inspection. There are mechanics crawling all over a plane during these inspections. I had just finished my shift and I decided to have a look at the waste system on one of our planes. With all the mechanics around I figured that no one would notice an extra one on the plane. Sure enough, the plane I choose had the extra equipment!

I began to trace the system of pipes, pumps, and tanks. I found what appeared to be the control unit for the system. It was a standard looking avionics control box but it had no markings of any kind. I could trace the control wires from the box to the pumps and valves but there were no control circuits coming into the unit. The only wires coming into the unit was a power connection to the aircraft’s main power bus.

The system had 1 large and 2 smaller tanks. It was hard to tell in the cramped compartment but it looked like the large tank could hold 50 gallons. The tanks were connected to a fill and drain valve that passed through the fuselage just behind the drain valve for the waste system. When I had a chance to look for this connection under the plane I found it cunningly hidden behind a panel under the panel used to access the waste drain."

BUT OF COURSE...

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« Reply #35 on: Dec 10th, 2015, 2:36pm »

^ You are of course aware that that is a web site that apparently endorses the spraying conspiracy....and of course we have no way of verifying anything that person is claiming....?


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xx Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
« Reply #36 on: Dec 10th, 2015, 3:09pm »

Let me get very simplistic, for skeptics sake,
for a moment,
OK no disbursements needed, the science of contrails is well known to the ones, who set the margins, what height and temp and humidity,
so the only thing that is needed to alter the sky and weather, is
normal flying.
by literal definition weather modification, no need for the Jet poop.

I never said or bought into, "TOXIC CHEMS" suicide is for crazy people,
and that scenario, only fits one story.

research this guy and his friends
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oZzrxugRsw

THANKS FOR YOUR POST Z
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xx Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
« Reply #37 on: Dec 10th, 2015, 3:48pm »

jm57,

When the weather man forecasts clear blue skies he means just that. Planes passing over head will make contrails regardless of the cloud cover; or lack of it.

I'm done with this subject, it is just plain silly.

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xx Re: This "chemtrail" nonsense is beyond
« Reply #38 on: Dec 10th, 2015, 4:23pm »

HAL,

TO WIT:

"Planes passing over head will make contrails regardless of the cloud cover; or lack of it."

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TO WIT:

"THANKS FOR YOUR POST Z" ~ UR MORE THAN WELCOME 'M'...

I EXPECT THOSE WHOM CAN'T NAME THE VICE PRESIDENT OR DEMAND 'SAFE ZONES/SPACES' TO BE CLUELESS ~ BUT NAIVE...TIS ANOTHER PERSPECTIVE INDEED...

TO WIT:

" I'm done with this subject, it is just plain silly."

HOW SILLY IS IT?

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Revealed: Army scientists secretly sprayed St Louis with 'radioactive' particles for YEARS to test chemical warfare technology

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"The United States Military conducted top secret experiments on the citizens of St. Louis, Missouri, for years, exposing them to radioactive compounds, a researcher has claimed.

While it was known that the government sprayed 'harmless' zinc cadmium silfide particles over the general population in St Louis, Professor Lisa Martino-Taylor, a sociologist at St. Louis Community College, claims that a radioactive additive was also mixed with the compound.

She has accrued detailed descriptions as well as photographs of the spraying which exposed the unwitting public, predominantly in low-income and minority communities, to radioactive particles."

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« Reply #39 on: Dec 10th, 2015, 5:27pm »

Silly indeed,

HAL's input, was good, but no longer, his desire.
Thanks 4 stopping by.




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« Reply #40 on: Dec 10th, 2015, 6:03pm »

http://chemtrailsplanet.net/2015/12/04/leaked-photos-of-chemtrail-spraying-system/
More,read it and see naysayers ,taste your tears yet?
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« Reply #41 on: Dec 10th, 2015, 6:23pm »

Radium 226 has a half life of 1,600 years. So any applied as in the article should still be readily detectable.

Also for further reading..

http://www.answers.com/Q/Who_were_the_Radium_Girls



But this doesn't answer the question of what is supposedly being sprayed today, and who is doing it ?

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« Reply #42 on: Dec 10th, 2015, 7:05pm »

I'd take this stuff more seriously when someone presents the chemical analysis of materials actually collected from a supposed chemtrail. Why is this data lacking? Fly a plane through the hundreds of chemtrails, collect samples in a proper manner, get analyzed in a reputable facility, by proper methods and present the results for critical review.
What am I missing here? And I'm not talking about the analysis of rain or other samples taken from the ground.

For such a widespread event according to those who support the chemtrails there appears to be no collection and analysis of the actual trails. Saying it's covered up is a cop out. grin

Edit to add: By proper analysis I mean that trace amounts of naturally occuring elements and by-products of jet fuel combustion are taken into account. I'm looking for the evidence of elements, their proportions and quantity that could only result from intentional addition to the materials introduced to the trail. Saying this is raising the bar or asking for too much is also a cop out IMO.
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« Reply #43 on: Dec 10th, 2015, 8:19pm »

on Dec 10th, 2015, 7:05pm, GhostofEd wrote:
I'd take this stuff more seriously when someone presents the chemical analysis of materials actually collected from a supposed chemtrail. Why is this data lacking? Fly a plane through the hundreds of chemtrails, collect samples in a proper manner, get analyzed in a reputable facility, by proper methods and present the results for critical review.
What am I missing here? And I'm not talking about the analysis of rain or other samples taken from the ground.

For such a widespread event according to those who support the chemtrails there appears to be no collection and analysis of the actual trails. Saying it's covered up is a cop out. grin

Edit to add: By proper analysis I mean that trace amounts of naturally occuring elements and by-products of jet fuel combustion are taken into account. I'm looking for the evidence of elements, their proportions and quantity that could only result from intentional addition to the materials introduced to the trail. Saying this is raising the bar or asking for too much is also a cop out IMO.


That's funny,
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cos I am in a position to do so, and have already done the work,
I am with HAL now this thread is too silly,
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ME
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B with anymore

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« Reply #44 on: Dec 11th, 2015, 08:20am »

Yet more bunk keeps being posted, without anyone here who claims that chemtrails are real addressing all the points in this thread that have already been raised, that show that the chemtrail claims are a hoax. So, since

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Here's a few links that debunk the additional bunk.

on Dec 10th, 2015, 1:49pm, ZETAR wrote:
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"Airline companies in America have been participating in something called >>> Project Cloverleaf <<< for a few years now. The earliest date anyone remembers being briefed on it is 1998. I was briefed on it in 1999. The few airline employees who were briefed on Project Cloverleaf were all made to undergo background checks, and before we were briefed on it we were made to sign non-disclosure agreements, which basically state that if we tell anyone what we know we could be imprisoned."

http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/airline-mechanic-turns-whistleblower/



"Project Cloverleaf" is yet another hoax invented by a serial hoaxer called A.C. Griffith (who also started the claim that "chemtrails contain barium.") Just add the word "debunked" to a search of "Project Cloverleaf" and many results come up. Here's all the ones from Metabunk:

http://tinyurl.com/oesbba3

As for Dane Wigington, the owner of the GeoEngineeringWatch dot org website, he constantly makes stuff up in order to increase his bank balance from all the donations etc he gets from his gullible followers. For example, this from Jay Reynolds, who has been studying and refuting the chemtrail hoax ever since it first started in the late 1990s and longer than anyone else:

https://www.metabunk.org/dane-wigington-inaccuracies-and-omissions.t2429/

Also this (please note that since this video was uploaded, Dane removed these images from his site - I wonder why?)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJj_X0wAvQs

on Dec 10th, 2015, 6:03pm, jm57 wrote:
http://chemtrailsplanet.net/2015/12/04/leaked-photos-of-chemtrail-spraying-system/
More,read it and see naysayers ,taste your tears yet?


All those photos are of aircraft components that have nothing at all to do with "spraying chemtrails," but have been presented as such by somebody who either has no knowledge of aircraft technical systems or is deliberately lying. Explained here:

https://www.metabunk.org/exclusive-leaked-photos-of-chemtrail-dispersal-system.t2772/

And yet again, what would be great is if somebody could answer this please:

How is it possible that the pilots of thousands of planes are flying all over the world 24/7, spraying toxic chemicals over their own families and themselves, and the millions of people in the global aviation industry who would know about it all keep quiet?


But since nobody has yet answered it, I guess that nobody can. tongue
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